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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | So on one of Lance Graves fb post leading up to the NFR, he posted about What Fame (Will) going to the NFR with Sarah Rose as her back-up. Although he hoped that Sarah didn't have to get off Bling, but if she did, she'd have Will as a backup to count on. That Will has won a lot and made a lot of dreams come true but the one thing Lance can't give Will is the chance to run at the NFR. This has had me thinking ever since then, that it's going to be 2016 in a couple days and with all the civil rights movements and equality over the last hundred years, we still live in an era where only women are allowed to compete in barrels in professional rodeo. Why? I guess as a fan and spectator, I'd enjoy seeing Lance and Will compete in barrels at the NFR. Lance defines the barrel racing sport GLOBALLY. Love him or hate him, he's one of the best and people all over the world think of Lance Graves when they think of barrel racing, but because he was born a male instead of a female, he can't compete at the biggest event in our sport. So this got me to thinking even more. Why hasn't the ERA stepped up to change this? It's invitational at this point. They've invited a very young girl to compete. Why not invite Lance to compete? Or Pete or Talmadge or Mark Bugni or Troy or any one of the dominate male riders in our sport?
I guess it feels like the ERA is more of a 'club' at this point.
This is all just food for thought. I know the PRCA allows women to hold cards and enter their events. Is it time for a change?
I actually had a dream the other night that Charlie Peoples was competing at the NFR because he'd qualified through a special event to get invited to the NFR! LOL! How crazy is that? In my dream, I could see him coming down the alley with the blue gates riding his former horse Lightnings Littlelad. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Actually, RFD TV's The American is open to men. Lance can go qualify just as well as anybody if he wanted to. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I think the barrel racing should be left to the ladys of the NFR this is our sport and should be left this way. I know times have changed but lets not change the barrels, just leave it  |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-12-30 8:50 PM Actually, RFD TV's The American is open to men. Lance can go qualify just as well as anybody if he wanted to.
I think most all of the top male barrel racers have competed at the American qualifiers, but only 1 has made it to The American. They are all BBR events and follow BBR rules. I am surprised there aren't more men qualifying for The American. I would assume Lance has competed at the qualifers too. |
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Location: Colorado | ShootingPics - 2015-12-30 9:02 PM I do not think that the ERA or Pro Rodeo should allow men to compete until they start adding more women events. The PRCA (or ERA) will not allow women to team rope or calf rope so until this happens the WPRA or ERA should not allow men to compete in Barrel Racing. Personally I feel that it is time that breakaway roping and goat tying should be added to Pro Rodeo, ERA and The American. I was actually extremely disappointed that RFDTV did not add these two events to The American Rodeo.
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That little girl is the ONLY none PRCA/WPRA person invited to be in the ERA. The ERA does have a qualifying system to pick, I believe, the number was 4 more people? Too bad the only rodeos that they will accept are mainly the big PRCA/WPRA rodeos.
I don't think any of the male futurity riders could qualify for the NFR in barrels. I'm not saying they aren't good enough. But how many could make roughly 80 rodeos and keep all their futurity clients happy? They would have to pretty much commit to just rodeos and cut there owners loose. There's a reason why the BFA conflicts with the NFR. It's pretty tough to let go of you main source of income to hit the rodeo road. |
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Location: Where it isn’t cold! | Women can and do compete in team roping in the PRCA. I believe the Montana circuit and the First Frontier circuit have had a woman qualify to the circuit finals. And Jackie Crawford roped at Salinas and Cheyenne this year. Kaila Mussell has ridden Saddle Broncs in the PRCA. Women can compete in any event they care to in the PRCA, they just have to fill a permit to get a card, just like the guys do. Many many years ago a woman could compete in the PRCA if they had a WPRA card, but not now. |
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ThreeCorners - 2015-12-30 8:50 PM Actually, RFD TV's The American is open to men. Lance can go qualify just as well as anybody if he wanted to.
I think most all of the top male barrel racers have competed at the American qualifiers, but only 1 has made it to The American. They are all BBR events and follow BBR rules. I am surprised there aren't more men qualifying for The American. I would assume Lance has competed at the qualifers too.
My theory is that most of these people qualify on jackpot horses that run awesome on perfect ground. They get to the semi's and that rodeo atmosphere and ground weed them out pretty quick. The ones making it through the semi:s are the rodeo horses. |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | SKM - 2015-12-30 10:12 PM Lance DID sue the WPRA a few years ago and lost. That little girl is the ONLY none PRCA/WPRA person invited to be in the ERA. The ERA does have a qualifying system to pick, I believe, the number was 4 more people? Too bad the only rodeos that they will accept are mainly the big PRCA/WPRA rodeos. I don't think any of the male futurity riders could qualify for the NFR in barrels. I'm not saying they aren't good enough. But how many could make roughly 80 rodeos and keep all their futurity clients happy? They would have to pretty much commit to just rodeos and cut there owners loose. There's a reason why the BFA conflicts with the NFR. It's pretty tough to let go of you main source of income to hit the rodeo road.
I agree, it would be hard to give up the income from riding futuriy colts to rodeo full time. It's a choice a lot of the female futurity riders already make. I just think it would be nice if men had the option and choice to decide whether to futurity or rodeo each year. And there is always a couple girls that make it to the NFR on 30-40 rodeos so if the stars line up that year, it could be feasible to do both. I know in the past Brittany Pozzi has had to find somebody to ride her futurity horses at the BFA while she competed at the NFR.
To another poster, I realize anybody can qualify for The American, but that is only 1 rodeo and the top ten in standings after the NFR are already in. Why isn't it that men could already be in that top ten?
I know it would be hard to change the WPRA rules, but it sounds like the ERA wants to do something different and bigger and better and they could be the one to follow in The American's footsteps and invite some men and start a revolution.
The more I think about this, I can't help but think how it would only improve BUSINESS and improve the sport as a whole to allow both sex's to compete in the barrels at rodeo. I know here in Ohio, especially at Congress, everytime they call the name Chris Coffey, Pete Oen or Troy Crumrine, along with a few other males, everybody say's "it's Chris, pay attention" and everybody watches and cheers. Even for horses like Mulberry Canyon Moon, she split her time between Troy and Angie Meadors while running jackpots with one rider and rodeo with the other. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I would want to be the best because I can beat the best. Not because an entire group of people was excluded from being allowed to compete, for any reason. I would love to see it open to all.
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Location: MD | Steve Kenyon and I had this discussion 15 years ago. I said then that I didn't feel as though it should be opened to men, but that if it were, I would cheer on any male competitors, just as I do the ladies. That being said, my mindset has changed a bit and I happily enter any Bulls n Barrels, or open rodeo that I can. If the rules were to be changed, I'd be buying my permit. I already haul to the rodeos for the girls who run our horses and I sure wouldn't mind being able to run myself.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Impossible for a guy to run barrels in the ERA because they are a leech using the PRCA rodeo's to "qualify" into the ERA and the WPRA is the governing body of the barrel racing at PRCA rodeo's.
That being said, let us not forget The American may only be one rodeo, but in reality it is 2 because of the semi finals, but it is the only rodeo you can win 1.1 Million!! Thats quite a few years of hauling and winning in earnings by going the NFR route. Makes more sence to me to have to make only 4 runs of your life for that $Million then the 80 to get to the NFR, the NFR's 10 rounds and spread over a 5 year span to make the same money. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ThreeCorners - 2015-12-31 6:38 AM
Impossible for a guy to run barrels in the ERA because they are a leech using the PRCA rodeo's to "qualify" into the ERA and the WPRA is the governing body of the barrel racing at PRCA rodeo's.
That being said, let us not forget The American may only be one rodeo, but in reality it is 2 because of the semi finals, but it is the only rodeo you can win 1.1 Million!! Thats quite a few years of hauling and winning in earnings by going the NFR route. Makes more sence to me to have to make only 4 runs of your life for that $Million then the 80 to get to the NFR, the NFR's 10 rounds and spread over a 5 year span to make the same money.
And the 10 qualifiers that pay out pretty good too....If I were a man, the NFR would not hold much interest....why would you haul up and down the road 30-60 or more rodeos to make a "portion" of what you "could" make at the American in 3 or 4 runs? |
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Location: Idaho | I'm all for fairness but when do you draw the line? There are plenty of big opportunities for men barrel racers but it's not good enough. Everyone wants more these days and when they get it they don't want to stop there. We've gotten to a time and place in our society that has men's associations, women's associations, transgender associations, gay/lesbian associations, race associations...... and a group of people who think even if you fit into one, you shouldn't be barred from another because you don't have the qualifications. It's like they are saying, sure you can have your distinctive organizations, but they need to include everyone.... what would be the point? You have to draw the line somewhere and yes it will leave a few people out. It isn't fair for everyone but it's fair to the majority. Life isn't fair in general, have people forgotten that?
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | SKM - 2015-12-30 9:16 PM sodapop - 2015-12-30 8:00 PM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-30 8:50 PM Actually, RFD TV's The American is open to men. Lance can go qualify just as well as anybody if he wanted to. I think most all of the top male barrel racers have competed at the American qualifiers, but only 1 has made it to The American. They are all BBR events and follow BBR rules. I am surprised there aren't more men qualifying for The American. I would assume Lance has competed at the qualifers too. My theory is that most of these people qualify on jackpot horses that run awesome on perfect ground. They get to the semi's and that rodeo atmosphere and ground weed them out pretty quick. The ones making it through the semi:s are the rodeo horses.
THIS. 
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Since it is a women's association it would be like a man entering women's tennis, women's golf.
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Impossible for a guy to run barrels in the ERA because they are a leech using the PRCA rodeo's to "qualify" into the ERA and the WPRA is the governing body of the barrel racing at PRCA rodeo's.
That being said, let us not forget The American may only be one rodeo, but in reality it is 2 because of the semi finals, but it is the only rodeo you can win 1.1 Million!! Thats quite a few years of hauling and winning in earnings by going the NFR route. Makes more sence to me to have to make only 4 runs of your life for that $Million then the 80 to get to the NFR, the NFR's 10 rounds and spread over a 5 year span to make the same money.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | cheryl makofka - 2015-12-31 10:17 AM The reason men cannot barrel race is it is a women's professional rodeo event. Prca allows the barrel racing event to take place at their rodeos. Since it is a women's association it would be like a man entering women's tennis, women's golf. It will be interesting to see in the years to come if transgendered or sex changed individuals will be able to enter
Ughhhhh I didn't even think about that.... Here we go again.... someone will get butt hurt for not having equal rights... I hate that people think they're entitled because they are the minority.... |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2015-12-31 10:17 AM The reason men cannot barrel race is it is a women's professional rodeo event. Prca allows the barrel racing event to take place at their rodeos. Since it is a women's association it would be like a man entering women's tennis, women's golf. It will be interesting to see in the years to come if transgendered or sex changed individuals will be able to enter
Not exactly. Tennis or golf, or any other athletic event, measure an individual's physical abillities against another. Most men will have more upper body strength and can swing a tennis racket or golf club to generate more power than most women. **Most** being the keyword. So, competition is gender specific. I think it's more akin to women and men competing in Olympic Show Jumping, which is allowed.
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Location: MD | cheryl makofka - 2015-12-31 10:17 AM
The reason men cannot barrel race is it is a women's professional rodeo event. Prca allows the barrel racing event to take place at their rodeos.
Since it is a women's association it would be like a man entering women's tennis, women's golf.
It will be interesting to see in the years to come if transgendered or sex changed individuals will be able to enter
Actually, they used to allow male to female trans persons to become members of the WPRA, but language was changed to allow only naturally born females many years ago |
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Location: The edge of no where | The more the merrier! Let them enter up, I think it's silly to make it a women's only event. After looking at so many of the issues the WPRA seems to have....perhaps adding men to the mix would help be able to make ground conditions more of a focus? There's continual WRPA drama - maybe adding some men to the mix would help. At the end of the day, it seems rather odd that women can and do join the PRCA - but the WPRA will not allow men to compete. JMO |
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The more the merrier! Let them enter up, I think it's silly to make it a women's only event. After looking at so many of the issues the WPRA seems to have....perhaps adding men to the mix would help be able to make ground conditions more of a focus? There's continual WRPA drama - maybe adding some men to the mix would help. At the end of the day, it seems rather odd that women can and do join the PRCA - but the WPRA will not allow men to compete. JMO
To be the Devil's advocate here .... what would be the difference between the WPRA and the PRCA if you allowed men into the WPRA?
hint, hint. nothing.
So, who cares, IMPO. Men can barrel race in other associations. Leave the WPRA alone and let 'em govern themselves how they wish. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Frodo - 2015-12-31 12:35 PM
I can assure you spectators do not come to see men barrel racers and it's all about spectators in the sport of rodeo if you want to keep winning money. We won't ride your bulls or rope your calves if you don't run our barrels.
Actually, PRCA allows women to compete in those events, if they want. And, I believe WPRA also has those events... with, of course, women competing in them, lol. |
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Location: Kansas | Nita - 2015-12-31 12:37 PM Frodo - 2015-12-31 12:35 PM I can assure you spectators do not come to see men barrel racers and it's all about spectators in the sport of rodeo if you want to keep winning money. We won't ride your bulls or rope your calves if you don't run our barrels. Actually, PRCA allows women to compete in those events, if they want. And, I believe WPRA also has those events... with, of course, women competing in them, lol.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Frodo - 2015-12-31 12:44 PM
Nita - 2015-12-31 12:37 PM Frodo - 2015-12-31 12:35 PM I can assure you spectators do not come to see men barrel racers and it's all about spectators in the sport of rodeo if you want to keep winning money. We won't ride your bulls or rope your calves if you don't run our barrels. Actually, PRCA allows women to compete in those events, if they want. And, I believe WPRA also has those events... with, of course, women competing in them, lol.
Most aren't. The rest probably don't want to subject themselves to the hostility or stereotyping. But, point is, they can compete if they can compete! I understand your point about the spectator side of things. Good point. And, I understand people who want to see it stay traditional. All good points. There are supporters on both sides of the argument. Just saying. I also understand the men barrel racers' point of view. The NFR is the Super Bowl of rodeo and they can never hold that most prestigious title. |
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cheryl makofka - 2015-12-31 10:17 AM The reason men cannot barrel race is it is a women's professional rodeo event. Prca allows the barrel racing event to take place at their rodeos. Since it is a women's association it would be like a man entering women's tennis, women's golf. It will be interesting to see in the years to come if transgendered or sex changed individuals will be able to enter
Not exactly. Tennis or golf, or any other athletic event, measure an individual's physical abillities against another. Most men will have more upper body strength and can swing a tennis racket or golf club to generate more power than most women. **Most** being the keyword. So, competition is gender specific. I think it's more akin to women and men competing in Olympic Show Jumping, which is allowed. I understand your point that the association is a women's association, tho.
I disagree with it measuring the physical abilities, as golfing is so let based on skill, and so is tennis, you need to outsmart your opponent.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Shorty 2 - 2015-12-30 9:13 PM Women can and do compete in team roping in the PRCA. I believe the Montana circuit and the First Frontier circuit have had a woman qualify to the circuit finals. And Jackie Crawford roped at Salinas and Cheyenne this year. Kaila Mussell has ridden Saddle Broncs in the PRCA. Women can compete in any event they care to in the PRCA, they just have to fill a permit to get a card, just like the guys do. Many many years ago a woman could compete in the PRCA if they had a WPRA card, but not now.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Frodo - 2015-12-31 12:44 PM
Nita - 2015-12-31 12:37 PM Frodo - 2015-12-31 12:35 PM I can assure you spectators do not come to see men barrel racers and it's all about spectators in the sport of rodeo if you want to keep winning money. We won't ride your bulls or rope your calves if you don't run our barrels. Actually, PRCA allows women to compete in those events, if they want. And, I believe WPRA also has those events... with, of course, women competing in them, lol.
Umm you need to look into the history of early rodeo turn of the twentieth century. Many many female bronc riders that were BETTER than the men.
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Location: Oregon | MS2011 - 2015-12-31 9:32 AM The more the merrier! Let them enter up, I think it's silly to make it a women's only event. After looking at so many of the issues the WPRA seems to have....perhaps adding men to the mix would help be able to make ground conditions more of a focus? There's continual WRPA drama - maybe adding some men to the mix would help. At the end of the day, it seems rather odd that women can and do join the PRCA - but the WPRA will not allow men to compete. JMO
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Probably because....... Even Cowgirls Get The Blues...........WPRA/PWRA featured here......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VozeI06JAV8
Do you remember the movie "Rodeo Girl"? Main character competed in rough stock and timed events....... the movie trailer.........https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFhlu8QP5AM
A little more Rodeo Girl...
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| crapshooter - 2015-12-31 2:06 PM MS2011 - 2015-12-31 9:32 AM The more the merrier! Let them enter up, I think it's silly to make it a women's only event. After looking at so many of the issues the WPRA seems to have....perhaps adding men to the mix would help be able to make ground conditions more of a focus? There's continual WRPA drama - maybe adding some men to the mix would help. At the end of the day, it seems rather odd that women can and do join the PRCA - but the WPRA will not allow men to compete. JMO Yes because drama is gender specific and men never have any drama going on in their associations.
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Location: Kansas | Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 2:28 PM I think the women bring sparkle to the NFR and its cool to watch the ladys run and see what they are wearing, but the guys I dont think they could pull that off to good. I dont think the guys could pull off wearing the prettys that the grils bring into the arena. LOL
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Frodo - 2015-12-31 3:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 2:28 PM I think the women bring sparkle to the NFR and its cool to watch the ladys run and see what they are wearing, but the guys I dont think they could pull that off to good. I dont think the guys could pull off wearing the prettys that the grils bring into the arena. LOL
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I would watch the barrel racing at the NFR and other top levels for the beauty and talent of the amazing horses...and the talent of the rider...whatever their gender. Seems a bit demeaning to say that the ladies are there to "Be Pretty".
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Location: sunny california | Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 2:16 PM Frodo - 2015-12-31 3:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 2:28 PM I think the women bring sparkle to the NFR and its cool to watch the ladys run and see what they are wearing, but the guys I dont think they could pull that off to good. I dont think the guys could pull off wearing the prettys that the grils bring into the arena. LOL
Like to see some male barrel racer match Fallon's looks, lol
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kwanatha - 2015-12-31 4:36 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 2:16 PM Frodo - 2015-12-31 3:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 2:28 PM I think the women bring sparkle to the NFR and its cool to watch the ladys run and see what they are wearing, but the guys I dont think they could pull that off to good. I dont think the guys could pull off wearing the prettys that the grils bring into the arena. LOL
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | OK all kidding aside here, WPRA is that, and they are all women, but if the NFR wants men running with the women I guess that would be their choice, but isnt the WPRA not part of the PRCA the PRCA invited WPRA to run at the NFR? |
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| Men and women competing doesn't bother me. But, as a spectator at a rodeo, (especially remembering as a little girl watching), there's nothing like watching the girls come in and rip it up in the barrel racing. They add a level of excitement...just listen to the crowd. I think they bring something great to it for the fans. |
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Location: East of the Pecos | I think if they let men in the WPRA it would be a non-event. I just don't see them stepping out of their comfort zone and haul like the girls do. A lot of guy barrel racers are family men and are the bread winners, and the rest are futurity/derby trainers with a following of loyal owners. They aren't going to dump all this for uncharted territory. It's a rough way to go when you rodeo full time. I see the guys sticking with the big jackpots and the American, and the girls dominating the rodeos. Maybe the biggest thing we'd see is a few of the guys entering some local rodeos and figuring out real fast that the draw/ground will get you outrun a percentage of the time and they will stick with the more predictable jackpots where they drag after every 5. |
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I'll add that I agree with the poster who basically said: It makes no sense for a male to want to go to the NFR and haul to more than 60 rodeos a year just to make what they could in 4-5 runs at The American.... So, I've seen a few posts like this, that says it doesn't make sense for men to want to qualify for the NFR. How is anybody so sure of that? Men have never had the chance so how do we know that no man would set out a goal at the beginning of the year to qualify for the NFR? What makes women go to 60-100 rodeos a year to qualify for the NFR? It sounds crazy for either sex to want to do it, but every year numerous women set out with the NFR as their goal. Many women have barrel racing in rodeo as a career. There is no reason a man can't do the same.
Without men ever having the chance to do it, we'll never know if they would qualify. For instance, whats to say the Etbauer kids, who are raised in a rodeo family and both the boys and girls compete in barrels, wouldn't all try to qualify for the NFR in barrels (once they are 18)?
My post isn't just about the WPRA, it's also about the ERA. The ERA says their is a qualifying system (and they are piggybacking on the PRCA standings) but when it comes to barrels, Charmayne, Brittany, Kassidy and Chanyi were not invited off of recent 2015 WPRA/PRCA standings. Not the I disagree that they shouldn't be invited, but it sounds like the invitation system right now is a little open so maybe the ERA could start the new trend and invite a male or two.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 5:10 PM
OK all kidding aside here, WPRA is that, and they are all women, but if the NFR wants men running with the women I guess that would be their choice, but isnt the WPRA not part of the PRCA the PRCA invited WPRA to run at the NFR?
You are correct. PRCA does not offer barrels as an event. PRCA decided along time ago not to open that can of worms. WPRA is only there by invitation and agreement. That agreement has a time frame and has to be renewed from time to time. If the PRCA decided to offer barrels it would be open to both men and women ass per their rules. If the PRCA ever did decide to offer barrels or choose not to renew their agreement the WPRA or sign an agreement with another association there would not be any WPRA at the NFR. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jbhoot - 2015-12-31 7:51 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 5:10 PM OK all kidding aside here, WPRA is that, and they are all women, but if the NFR wants men running with the women I guess that would be their choice, but isnt the WPRA not part of the PRCA the PRCA invited WPRA to run at the NFR? You are correct. PRCA does not offer barrels as an event. PRCA decided along time ago not to open that can of worms. WPRA is only there by invitation and agreement. That agreement has a time frame and has to be renewed from time to time. If the PRCA decided to offer barrels it would be open to both men and women ass per their rules. If the PRCA ever did decide to offer barrels or choose not to renew their agreement the WPRA or sign an agreement with another association there would not be any WPRA at the NFR.
I think you have a short memory....The PRCA DID offer barrel racing under the auspices of the Professional Womens' Barrel Racing. The PRCA Board voted to form the PWBR for the 2007 rodeo season....Note: they kept it limited to WOMEN and they were full fledged members of the PRCA....until the WPRA sued.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | barlracr429 - 2015-12-31 7:23 PM
. THIS.
I'll add that I agree with the poster who basically said: It makes no sense for a male to want to go to the NFR and haul to more than 60 rodeos a year just to make what they could in 4-5 runs at The American....
Without men ever having the chance to do it, we'll never know if they would qualify. For instance, whats to say the Etbauer kids, who are raised in a rodeo family and both the boys and girls compete in barrels, wouldn't all try to qualify for the NFR in barrels (once they are 18)?
My post isn't just about the WPRA, it's also about the ERA. The ERA says their is a qualifying system (and they are piggybacking on the PRCA standings) but when it comes to barrels, Charmayne, Brittany, Kassidy and Chanyi were not invited off of recent 2015 WPRA/PRCA standings. Not the I disagree that they shouldn't be invited, but it sounds like the invitation system right now is a little open so maybe the ERA could start the new trend and invite a male or two.
There are men already hauling to rodeos who I think would participate. If the payout was enough. It would add to their all around money won, for the ones already competing in multiple events. |
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Location: That part of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2015-12-31 1:17 PM Nita - 2015-12-31 10:52 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-12-31 10:17 AM The reason men cannot barrel race is it is a women's professional rodeo event. Prca allows the barrel racing event to take place at their rodeos. Since it is a women's association it would be like a man entering women's tennis, women's golf. It will be interesting to see in the years to come if transgendered or sex changed individuals will be able to enter Not exactly. Tennis or golf, or any other athletic event, measure an individual's physical abillities against another. Most men will have more upper body strength and can swing a tennis racket or golf club to generate more power than most women. **Most** being the keyword. So, competition is gender specific. I think it's more akin to women and men competing in Olympic Show Jumping, which is allowed.
I understand your point that the association is a women's association, tho. As for the people who say women can't compete in prca sanctioned events. There is the one saddle bronc rider who is female and I know she has won some money. I can't think of her name atm.
In golf, you do realize that the women's tee box is always set in front of the men's, right? We are given an edge on shorter distances to the hole because physically, 99% of women aren't going to outdrive a man who is of the same handicap or skill. By default, golf courses compensate for physical weakness in women and senior men by tee box placement as a way to level the playing field from the first hit. |
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| jbhoot - 2015-12-31 5:51 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 5:10 PM OK all kidding aside here, WPRA is that, and they are all women, but if the NFR wants men running with the women I guess that would be their choice, but isnt the WPRA not part of the PRCA the PRCA invited WPRA to run at the NFR? You are correct. PRCA does not offer barrels as an event. PRCA decided along time ago not to open that can of worms. WPRA is only there by invitation and agreement. That agreement has a time frame and has to be renewed from time to time. If the PRCA decided to offer barrels it would be open to both men and women ass per their rules. If the PRCA ever did decide to offer barrels or choose not to renew their agreement the WPRA or sign an agreement with another association there would not be any WPRA at the NFR.
That's the year we had to join the PRCA's barrel racing association, the PWBR in order to pro rodeo. And we were under PRCA's rules. The WPRA was not at the NFR that year.
Edited to add: The barrel racing was obviously changed and given "back" to the WPRA shorly thereafter.
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| NJJ - 2015-12-31 8:05 PM
jbhoot - 2015-12-31 7:51 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 5:10 PM OK all kidding aside here, WPRA is that, and they are all women, but if the NFR wants men running with the women I guess that would be their choice, but isnt the WPRA not part of the PRCA the PRCA invited WPRA to run at the NFR? You are correct. PRCA does not offer barrels as an event. PRCA decided along time ago not to open that can of worms. WPRA is only there by invitation and agreement. That agreement has a time frame and has to be renewed from time to time. If the PRCA decided to offer barrels it would be open to both men and women ass per their rules. If the PRCA ever did decide to offer barrels or choose not to renew their agreement the WPRA or sign an agreement with another association there would not be any WPRA at the NFR.
Yep and that was my point back on page one. Sooner or later somebody with enough money will sue and win against the WPRA. PRCA did not loose on discrimination it lost on contract law. Stop and think every private and public association that has been sued on discrimination has ether lost or folded to pressure and opened their admission sooner or later. Even Augusta country club a mens only club folded to women after 60 years in 2012. All it takes is time and a lot of money. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2015-12-31 4:44 PM Southtxponygirl - 2015-12-31 4:18 PM OK woman,,,, now fill me in on the wig thing you lost me there.. LOL
Ok, hoofs you have to dish........ Did a guy stuff a bra and wear a wig trying to pass for a woman at a rodeo? I feel so out of the loop here. I did my best on this topic earlier in the thread, but I'm stumped on this part. lol |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | Red Raider - 2015-12-31 9:31 PM
cheryl makofka - 2015-12-31 1:17 PM Nita - 2015-12-31 10:52 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-12-31 10:17 AM The reason men cannot barrel race is it is a women's professional rodeo event. Prca allows the barrel racing event to take place at their rodeos. Since it is a women's association it would be like a man entering women's tennis, women's golf. It will be interesting to see in the years to come if transgendered or sex changed individuals will be able to enter Not exactly. Tennis or golf, or any other athletic event, measure an individual's physical abillities against another. Most men will have more upper body strength and can swing a tennis racket or golf club to generate more power than most women. **Most** being the keyword. So, competition is gender specific. I think it's more akin to women and men competing in Olympic Show Jumping, which is allowed.
I understand your point that the association is a women's association, tho. As for the people who say women can't compete in prca sanctioned events. There is the one saddle bronc rider who is female and I know she has won some money. I can't think of her name atm.
http://golftips.golfsmith.com/lpga-women-played-pga-tour-20647.htmlThe PGA is open to both women and men. Some women have attempted to play with the men but they've had little success against the men due to physical abilities. I don't think you can compare events with horses to events like golf, football, boxing, etc. I would however find it interesting to see Ronda Rousey take on the boys. In her interviews she's said there are a few guys she'd like to knock out |
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ERA - just some rambling thoughts about allowing men to barrel race in rodeo