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| We are looking at switching to a whole oat diet with a mineral supplement. We feed dac oil for added fat and I've been looking at their mineral supplements as well, very reasonably priced.
We feed good mostly alfalfa hay. I know selenium/vit e are important, what else should I be looking for?
I'd like to stay reasonably priced as we may have up to 6 horses on the program if we like it. I'd also like to stay simple, I'm not usually the one choring so things like grinding flax right before you feed won't fly, gotta be easy for the SO and his dad.
I don't have much more available locally than your basic Tractor Supply type supplements, so it's likely whatever I get will be ordered in. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I won't support ADM anything. They refused to own up to their monosin poisoning fiasco.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-01-03 9:27 PM
I won't support ADM anything. They refused to own up to their monosin poisoning fiasco.
There are a lot of good supplements. I use and recommend THE Perf or Muscle Mass. All natural/human grade ingredients.
Particular horse won't eat THE/most powders, we've gone rounds before and the manfriend isn't going to go above and beyond like I will to get him to eat something.
A loose granule type I'm willing to try but would prefer a pellet.
I'm looking at DAC total performance, MVP mega-mag, I've got to call and Inquire about the form they're in unless someone knows pellet vs powder va granule
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Location: Georgia | I've recently switched over to whole oats diet so I don't have a lot of advice to offer but my new feeding regimen is 3/4 scoop of whole oats twice a day with quality alfalfa and grass hay twice a day along with cool calories 100, SmartAntioxidant, and SmartOmega 3 Ultra(or plus can't remember) once a day. I hope to see great results but I've only been feeding this about 2 weeks. Good luck. |
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| Looked up 707 daily essentials. I guess my concern there is the c:p ratio is nearly 1:1 instead of the recommended 2:1 to 6:1. We do feed good alfalfa hay so there should be additional calcium there, but without testing every load of hay, I'd be hesitant to supplement with a 1:1 ratio in a diet without other fortification.
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Location: West Texas | OhMax - 2016-01-05 12:57 PM
Looked up 707 daily essentials. I guess my concern there is the c:p ratio is nearly 1:1 instead of the recommended 2:1 to 6:1. We do feed good alfalfa hay so there should be additional calcium there, but without testing every load of hay, I'd be hesitant to supplement with a 1:1 ratio in a diet without other fortification.
Could be off base, I'm a newbie at this.
With alfalfa hay you will have plenty of calcium. A 1:1 ratio is appropriate for your ration. You should not be looking for a 2:1 ratio, due to your alfalfa hay. |
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| Tdove - 2016-01-05 1:11 PM
OhMax - 2016-01-05 12:57 PM
Looked up 707 daily essentials. I guess my concern there is the c:p ratio is nearly 1:1 instead of the recommended 2:1 to 6:1. We do feed good alfalfa hay so there should be additional calcium there, but without testing every load of hay, I'd be hesitant to supplement with a 1:1 ratio in a diet without other fortification.
Could be off base, I'm a newbie at this.
With alfalfa hay you will have plenty of calcium. A 1:1 ratio is appropriate for your ration. You should not be looking for a 2:1 ratio, due to your alfalfa hay.
Thanks, i just wasn't sure since we don't test our hay |
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Location: West Texas | OhMax - 2016-01-03 8:33 PM
We are looking at switching to a whole oat diet with a mineral supplement. We feed dac oil for added fat and I've been looking at their mineral supplements as well, very reasonably priced.
We feed good mostly alfalfa hay. I know selenium/vit e are important, what else should I be looking for?
I'd like to stay reasonably priced as we may have up to 6 horses on the program if we like it. I'd also like to stay simple, I'm not usually the one choring so things like grinding flax right before you feed won't fly, gotta be easy for the SO and his dad.
I don't have much more available locally than your basic Tractor Supply type supplements, so it's likely whatever I get will be ordered in.
If flax is available, I just wanted to note that it does not need to be ground, since you mentioned that. I think whole flax is about as good of fat supplement as can be had.
I have a good bit of experience with alfalfa, whole oats, and flax as the sole diet and really I don't feel extra mineral is necessary. I feed that and don't give a mineral supplement to some pretty competitive horses. There are a lot of choices if you were to really want to supplement. A purina 12:12 block would be a good choice, I think.
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| We're feeding dac oil now, what would the flax add to that? I was looking into mineral blocks as well thinking that may be the simplest way to start and keep it easy.
I'll be moving myself and my second horse in the late spring to the farm the where the horse we're trying the new feed on is at, then I can get as fancy as I want to, lol. The boyfriend is a team roper and I have to go slow when it comes to anything but basic hay and pellets lol, that's so stereotypical and reminds me of the barrel racing husband stories... |
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| I think we'll start with oats, dac oil, and a mineral block. I'm going to talk to the local feed store about getting renew gold. They're listed as a dealer but don't stock it |
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Location: West Texas | OhMax - 2016-01-05 1:48 PM
We're feeding dac oil now, what would the flax add to that? I was looking into mineral blocks as well thinking that may be the simplest way to start and keep it easy.
I'll be moving myself and my second horse in the late spring to the farm the where the horse we're trying the new feed on is at, then I can get as fancy as I want to, lol. The boyfriend is a team roper and I have to go slow when it comes to anything but basic hay and pellets lol, that's so stereotypical and reminds me of the barrel racing husband stories...
I firmly believe in simplicity in feeding, there isn't anyone that feeds simpler than I do :)
Whole flax provides a good deal more than simple oil alone. Antioxidants, nutrients, even fiber and gut motility and colic prevention.
When you start with Renew Gold, I would recommend discontinuing the Dac oil. RG will have plenty of fat from nutrient based ingredients and personally I don't believe in a lot of fat, for the vast majority of horses. Of course that is up to you and just a suggestion.
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| Tdove - 2016-01-05 2:02 PM
OhMax - 2016-01-05 1:48 PM
We're feeding dac oil now, what would the flax add to that? I was looking into mineral blocks as well thinking that may be the simplest way to start and keep it easy.
I'll be moving myself and my second horse in the late spring to the farm the where the horse we're trying the new feed on is at, then I can get as fancy as I want to, lol. The boyfriend is a team roper and I have to go slow when it comes to anything but basic hay and pellets lol, that's so stereotypical and reminds me of the barrel racing husband stories...
I firmly believe in simplicity in feeding, there isn't anyone that feeds simpler than I do : )
Whole flax provides a good deal more than simple oil alone. Antioxidants, nutrients, even fiber and gut motility and colic prevention.
When you start with Renew Gold, I would recommend discontinuing the Dac oil. RG will have plenty of fat from nutrient based ingredients and personally I don't believe in a lot of fat, for the vast majority of horses. Of course that is up to you and just a suggestion.
Where is the best place to purchase flax? How much do you feed per day & ground or whole seed? |
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| Forgot to mention I do feed about an oz of dac oil as well to help get the supplement to stick and horses eat it readily. |
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Location: North Dakota | I buy flax seed from my local feed mill (hubbard) Used to be I could get it whole or rolled but NOW they just have rolled available in a 50# bag-I feed a cup a day-with 5 head of horses I go through it fast without it going rancid like so many worry about-if I had to I would split the bag up and freeze it. I pay less than $25 for the flax. My horses will never go without flax. I feed whole oats flax and they are on pretty nice second cutting alfalfa. I have one that is fussy about eating anything so he gets a half a pound of "sticky" sweet feed so he thinks he's getting a treat. All the rest get less than 3 pounds of oats. I do have a loose mineral bucket hanging in their pasture it has progressive nutrition alfalfa mineral in it-50 pound bag is probably $50 if I remember correctly but they maybe go through a pound or two a week for all 5-some weeks they don't touch it-not sure it's really necessary but when the buckets empty I put a couple pounds in it. One thing I wanted to point out is that I would feed flax any day for fat supplement over ANY kind of oil-I hate oil, it's messy and the "king of fussy" would flip me off if I put oil in his bucket! |
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| want2chase3 - 2016-01-05 3:24 PM
Forgot to mention I do feed about an oz of dac oil as well to help get the supplement to stick and horses eat it readily.
I've tried just about every "make it stick" option out there with this horse - dac, healthy coat, plain oils, molasses, applesauce. He continued to turn his nose up completely at the muscle mass and with other powders I've used he won't finish his grain. Pellets with a little oil go over much better, perhaps the taste doesn't spread throughout the bucket as much, I don't know.
I'll look into getting flax locally, my local feed store has the purine 12:12 block and oats, I think we'll try that with the dac for a while and see how it goes. |
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Location: West Texas | veintiocho - 2016-01-05 2:12 PM
Tdove - 2016-01-05 2:02 PM
OhMax - 2016-01-05 1:48 PM
We're feeding dac oil now, what would the flax add to that? I was looking into mineral blocks as well thinking that may be the simplest way to start and keep it easy.
I'll be moving myself and my second horse in the late spring to the farm the where the horse we're trying the new feed on is at, then I can get as fancy as I want to, lol. The boyfriend is a team roper and I have to go slow when it comes to anything but basic hay and pellets lol, that's so stereotypical and reminds me of the barrel racing husband stories...
I firmly believe in simplicity in feeding, there isn't anyone that feeds simpler than I do : )
Whole flax provides a good deal more than simple oil alone. Antioxidants, nutrients, even fiber and gut motility and colic prevention.
When you start with Renew Gold, I would recommend discontinuing the Dac oil. RG will have plenty of fat from nutrient based ingredients and personally I don't believe in a lot of fat, for the vast majority of horses. Of course that is up to you and just a suggestion.
Where is the best place to purchase flax? How much do you feed per day & ground or whole seed?
I don't know the best place. Feeding rate is 4-8 ounces typically. I feed 8-10 ounces of whole flax. It is included in my Omnis cubes. It's not readily available where I am at bagged separately. I absolutely love flax. |
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Location: North Dakota | OhMax - 2016-01-05 4:04 PM want2chase3 - 2016-01-05 3:24 PM Forgot to mention I do feed about an oz of dac oil as well to help get the supplement to stick and horses eat it readily. I've tried just about every "make it stick" option out there with this horse - dac, healthy coat, plain oils, molasses, applesauce. He continued to turn his nose up completely at the muscle mass and with other powders I've used he won't finish his grain. Pellets with a little oil go over much better, perhaps the taste doesn't spread throughout the bucket as much, I don't know. I'll look into getting flax locally, my local feed store has the purine 12:12 block and oats, I think we'll try that with the dac for a while and see how it goes.
edited to add if you are still in IOWA I would ask around I bet you have a farmer that would sell you some in a bucket!
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| Tdove - 2016-01-05 4:04 PM
veintiocho - 2016-01-05 2:12 PM
Tdove - 2016-01-05 2:02 PM
OhMax - 2016-01-05 1:48 PM
We're feeding dac oil now, what would the flax add to that? I was looking into mineral blocks as well thinking that may be the simplest way to start and keep it easy.
I'll be moving myself and my second horse in the late spring to the farm the where the horse we're trying the new feed on is at, then I can get as fancy as I want to, lol. The boyfriend is a team roper and I have to go slow when it comes to anything but basic hay and pellets lol, that's so stereotypical and reminds me of the barrel racing husband stories...
I firmly believe in simplicity in feeding, there isn't anyone that feeds simpler than I do : )
Whole flax provides a good deal more than simple oil alone. Antioxidants, nutrients, even fiber and gut motility and colic prevention.
When you start with Renew Gold, I would recommend discontinuing the Dac oil. RG will have plenty of fat from nutrient based ingredients and personally I don't believe in a lot of fat, for the vast majority of horses. Of course that is up to you and just a suggestion.
Where is the best place to purchase flax? How much do you feed per day & ground or whole seed?
I don't know the best place. Feeding rate is 4-8 ounces typically. I feed 8-10 ounces of whole flax. It is included in my Omnis cubes. It's not readily available where I am at bagged separately. I absolutely love flax.
I really wanted to start the Omnis cubes, but the closest dealer isn't dealing right now. I'm on the list once they *hopefully* start again. I see Amazon has a 10lb bag for around $16... |
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| OhMax - 2016-01-03 8:33 PM
We are looking at switching to a whole oat diet with a mineral supplement. We feed dac oil for added fat and I've been looking at their mineral supplements as well, very reasonably priced.
We feed good mostly alfalfa hay. I know selenium/vit e are important, what else should I be looking for?
I'd like to stay reasonably priced as we may have up to 6 horses on the program if we like it. I'd also like to stay simple, I'm not usually the one choring so things like grinding flax right before you feed won't fly, gotta be easy for the SO and his dad.
I don't have much more available locally than your basic Tractor Supply type supplements, so it's likely whatever I get will be ordered in.
Your feeding program is very similar to mine using the KISS system (Keep It Simple Stupid) ... lol
Whole oats and alfalfa can't be beat as your feeding program. My only finishing touch is adding this mineral supplement in loose granular form either as a handful thrown into feed buckets every other day and/or free choice .... the way the minerals are chelated and the right amount of vitamins for absorption by the horses digestive system is excellent.. This is the must have key for a good mineral supplement.
The mineral // salt processing plant was purchased from Moorman feed company and has not been changed formula wise ..
Try adding it to your program and even think of suspending your use of DAC OIL as an unnecessary item ...
http://www.admani.com/horse/Products/Horse%20Grostrong%20Minerals.h...
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| OhMax - 2016-01-05 4:04 PM
want2chase3 - 2016-01-05 3:24 PM
Forgot to mention I do feed about an oz of dac oil as well to help get the supplement to stick and horses eat it readily.
I've tried just about every "make it stick" option out there with this horse - dac, healthy coat, plain oils, molasses, applesauce. He continued to turn his nose up completely at the muscle mass and with other powders I've used he won't finish his grain. Pellets with a little oil go over much better, perhaps the taste doesn't spread throughout the bucket as much, I don't know.
I'll look into getting flax locally, my local feed store has the purine 12:12 block and oats, I think we'll try that with the dac for a while and see how it goes.
I had one horse that would flat out refuse to eat the muscle mass no matter what I did too.... until we moved and no longer had individual stalls to feed in. Mine are all turned out together so now when I feed he sure as heck makes sure he eats it all up before the others come and finish it for him... lol! |
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| I've read a ton of conflicting information on feeding oils to horses and I considered switching to whole flax myself now that I know my feed store can get it for me. I've been feeding dac oil for quite a while and it definitely can get messy and the barn cats and chickens try to get at it as well. I'm almost out of my last big bucket of the dac oil.. I may try a different route. I soak my horses feed anyway so getting any powdered supplement sticks. |
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Location: TX | I like to keep it simple. I feed steam rolled oats, flax seed and a probiotic. I am a firm believer in a probiotic now after using this one and seeing the results first hand. I also feed alfalfa and my horse has a turnout with some grass. If they don't have access to grass, they get coastal hay. I recently had my good mare's hair tested by a friend that sells Equine Natural Care herbs and put her on the herbs she needed for a few months.. and oh my goodness.. the results were BEYOND AMAZING.
http://www.equinenaturalcare.com/home.html
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| Would any of you that feed whole oats purchase oats by nutrena? I've got those available in whole or steam rolled or producers pride steam rolled. |
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| run n rate - 2016-01-06 6:27 PM
Can I ask about barley? I haven't had good luck lately with finding clean oats.
Barley is like wheat ... it is a sticky pasty mess when being digested and can clump up in a stomach or colon wrinkle and give you all kinds of problems from colic to ulcers ...
Avoid it and feed something else ...
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I feed 2 lbs of oats, 1/2 flax, and various Cur-Ost formulas depending on the horse.
Here is a preview of my results, the bay had no previous issues and the palomino had allergies and was on shots, as well as numerous 'aids'. Now she is only on Cur-Ost. I'm sure most of you know my stories already
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Location: Texas | Smokingirlie - I assume that is a 1/2 CUP of flax per day (not pound)? Where do you get your flax? |
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Location: West Texas | 4-8 ounces of flax is general recommendation. 8 ounces is 1/2 pound. I feed 8-10 ounces a day to my horses.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | TBone - 2016-01-07 9:23 AM Smokingirlie - I assume that is a 1/2 CUP of flax per day (not pound)? Where do you get your flax?
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Location: 31 lengths farms | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-01-07 6:49 PM
run n rate - 2016-01-06 6:27 PM
Can I ask about barley? I haven't had good luck lately with finding clean oats.
Barley is like wheat ... it is a sticky pasty mess when being digested and can clump up in a stomach or colon wrinkle and give you all kinds of problems from colic to ulcers ...
Avoid it and feed something else ...
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