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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Funny, because I just made a comment on FB that I wish I would have acted on my instincts last summer and bought Strum-Ruger and S&W stock. I'm sure this will set off a buying spree.
As far as I can tell, this is just incendiary action that won't have a profound effect on anything besides the bottom lines of weapons manufacturers. It's a "tempest in a teapot", basically. Correct me if I'm wrong. He just loves to stir sh!t. That's all he's good for, the dirty rotten vile bastard. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-05 4:26 PM guess I'm out of the loop cause I have no idea what this is about lol
Wake up woman  , LOL just kidding with ya, the prez is being a butthead as always and wants to control owners with guns.. |
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The devils in the details. It all depends HOW he has ATF and THE FBI rewrite the rules. Congress has already voted on his ideas and turned him down. I am sure that it will end up in court and he will loose again. He is on vary thin ice on this one.
The GOP already said it will be headed to appeals. |
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I've been nervous for a good while now.
Agreed, but I don't think he's going to get his ultimate goal with gun control. He has too much opposition, thank God. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Bear - 2016-01-05 5:32 PM Funny, because I just made a comment on FB that I wish I would have acted on my instincts last summer and bought Strum-Ruger and S&W stock. I'm sure this will set off a buying spree. As far as I can tell, this is just incendiary action that won't have a profound effect on anything besides the bottom lines of weapons manufacturers. It's a "tempest in a teapot", basically. Correct me if I'm wrong. He just loves to stir sh!t. That's all he's good for, the dirty rotten vile bastard.
a $75k investment in S&W on Jan. 20 2009 would have netted you over a million on Jan 5 2016 |
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| 1DSoon - 2016-01-05 6:46 PM
Bear - 2016-01-05 5:32 PM Funny, because I just made a comment on FB that I wish I would have acted on my instincts last summer and bought Strum-Ruger and S&W stock. I'm sure this will set off a buying spree. As far as I can tell, this is just incendiary action that won't have a profound effect on anything besides the bottom lines of weapons manufacturers. It's a "tempest in a teapot", basically. Correct me if I'm wrong. He just loves to stir sh!t. That's all he's good for, the dirty rotten vile bastard.
a $75k investment in S&W on Jan. 20 2009 would have netted you over a million on Jan 5 2016
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OregonBR - 2016-01-05 3:42 PM
I've been nervous for a good while now.
Agreed, but I don't think he's going to get his ultimate goal with gun control. He has too much op position, thank God.
But he is beginning the process read his words............."And, yes, it will be hard, and it won’t happen overnight. It won’t happen during this Congress. It won’t happen during my presidency. But a lot of things don’t happen overnight. A woman’s right to vote didn’t happen overnight. The liberation of African Americans didn’t happen overnight. LGBT rights — that was decades’ worth of work. So just because it’s hard, that’s no excuse not to try."
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Funny....I just heard George Will say on Fox that S&W stock has increased by over 900% since Obozo took office, 7 years ago. I feel like an idiot, really. I should have bought S&W stock after Sandy Hook, because I knew darned good and well Obama was going to do everything he could to initiate gun control by legislative fiat. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | The gunman at Sandy Hook stole guns that were purchased legally by his mother. How would what the potus spewing prevent something like that from happening again? |
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Location: Colorado | cruise - 2016-01-05 7:38 PM The gunman at Sandy Hook stole guns that were purchased legally by his mother. How would what the potus spewing prevent something like that from happening again?
Maybe the mental health issues he spoke about. Sometimes listening to the entire speach is helpful.
According to family and friends the Mother of the Sandy Hook killer had tried to get him more help. But as a young adult there are not a lot of services available.
And it was obvious that the theatre killer in CO was mentally ill. Another one that could have been stopped by mental health services. The latest CO killer that targeted Planned Parenthood had some pretty obvious issues. Had his ex wife, who he beat spoke up years ago that one may have been stopped as well.
I suspect you missed the part about having the technology in place for finger print locks. To help keep 3, 4, 5 year olds from accidentally killing someone. To lower the suicide rate in this country. And there was a whole lot more.
But listening to the entire speech would have also led to the FACT that the President defended the the Second Ammendmant.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It's too bad he failed to show the same level of emotion and tears in the aftermath of the ISIS beheading of an American, or the genocide in Syria of over 250,000 civilians after he issued his now famous "red line" warning to the Assad regime, or the murder of 4 Americans in Benghazi, or the massacre in Paris, or after the San Bernadino massacre.......not one tear shed after any of these horrific, tragic events. Oh, he made statements after these tragic events....then promptly flew off to fund-raisers, or went golfing. I honestly don't think this executive order will amount to much.
This display of emotion, in my opinion, was nothing more than acting - a hallmark of narcissism, in fact. Narcissists are cunning and masterful at this kind of thing. The world is on fire. The country is more divided than ever. This was a dog-and-pony show designed to divert attention from the worldwide chaos he has fomented through his pathetic rhetoric and spineless, incompetent leadership.
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| scwebster - 2016-01-05 6:07 PM
I am just super suprised that there has not been an assassination attempt on him in the last 7 years. He keeps this up I feel like there will probably be one.
I AM TOO!!!!!!!!!!!! In fact, it is almost unbelievable to me that there hasn't been a shot taken at his dumb a$$. |
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Location: North Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2016-01-05 9:51 PM
cruise - 2016-01-05 7:38 PM The gunman at Sandy Hook stole guns that were purchased legally by his mother. How would what the potus spewing prevent something like that from happening again?
Maybe the mental health issues he spoke about. Sometimes listening to the entire speach is helpful.
According to family and friends the Mother of the Sandy Hook killer had tried to get him more help. But as a young adult there are not a lot of services available.
And it was obvious that the theatre killer in CO was mentally ill. Another one that could have been stopped by mental health services. The latest CO killer that targeted Planned Parenthood had some pretty obvious issues. Had his ex wife, who he beat spoke up years ago that one may have been stopped as well.
I suspect you missed the part about having the technology in place for finger print locks. To help keep 3, 4, 5 year olds from accidentally killing someone. To lower the suicide rate in this country. And there was a whole lot more.
But listening to the entire speech would have also led to the FACT that the President defended the the Second Ammendmant.
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Perhaps POTUS "did defend" The Amendment, but his actions indicate that He (Obama) and the Democratic Party he represents desire to HIGHLY Infringe upon The 2nd Amendment, which is clearly in violation of the wording of The 2nd Amendment! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | foundation horse - 2016-01-06 5:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-01-05 9:51 PM cruise - 2016-01-05 7:38 PM The gunman at Sandy Hook stole guns that were purchased legally by his mother. How would what the potus spewing prevent something like that from happening again? Maybe the mental health issues he spoke about. Sometimes listening to the entire speach is helpful.
According to family and friends the Mother of the Sandy Hook killer had tried to get him more help. But as a young adult there are not a lot of services available.
And it was obvious that the theatre killer in CO was mentally ill. Another one that could have been stopped by mental health services. The latest CO killer that targeted Planned Parenthood had some pretty obvious issues. Had his ex wife, who he beat spoke up years ago that one may have been stopped as well.
I suspect you missed the part about having the technology in place for finger print locks. To help keep 3, 4, 5 year olds from accidentally killing someone. To lower the suicide rate in this country. And there was a whole lot more.
But listening to the entire speech would have also led to the FACT that the President defended the the Second Ammendmant.
karen Perhaps POTUS "did defend" The Amendment, but his actions indicate that He (Obama ) and the Democratic Party he represents desire to HIGHLY Infringe upon The 2nd Amendment, which is clearly in violation of the wording of The 2nd Amendment!
Any words he uttered in defense of the 2nd amendment were no more sincere than those fake tears he was wiping. He is a liar. |
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Location: Good ole SE Mo | Stitch4k9 - 2016-01-05 9:51 PM
cruise - 2016-01-05 7:38 PM The gunman at Sandy Hook stole guns that were purchased legally by his mother. How would what the potus spewing prevent something like that from happening again?
Maybe the mental health issues he spoke about. Sometimes listening to the entire speach is helpful.
According to family and friends the Mother of the Sandy Hook killer had tried to get him more help. But as a young adult there are not a lot of services available.
And it was obvious that the theatre killer in CO was mentally ill. Another one that could have been stopped by mental health services. The latest CO killer that targeted Planned Parenthood had some pretty obvious issues. Had his ex wife, who he beat spoke up years ago that one may have been stopped as well.
I suspect you missed the part about having the technology in place for finger print locks. To help keep 3, 4, 5 year olds from accidentally killing someone. To lower the suicide rate in this country. And there was a whole lot more.
But listening to the entire speech would have also led to the FACT that the President defended the the Second Ammendmant.
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Sounds like to me we need more help for the mentally ill and NOT more gun control. Are we supposed to punish his mother for legally obtaining a gun when we should have been fighting to get her more help with her son? There is a huge gap in this country where the mentally ill are concerned. Maybe if we can figure out ways to help more with the adults in this problem we could actually help stop some of these mass shooting incidents.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Bear - 2016-01-06 8:26 AM
Bottom line is that this president is in over his head. He has been ever since he took the oath. He is preoccupied with moving the country sharply to the left. If that means tearing the country down from within, in order to advance his agenda of a socialist utopia, that's what he'll do. The irony and hypocrisy of all of this is that he will quickly become one of the wealthiest people in the country, as a result, once he leaves office. The world will be his oyster, and he will quickly accumulate massive wealth with his mouth, just like AlGore and the Clintons. His minions will be oblivious to his obscene hypocrisy and worship him like a God.
Yep...and he will have the ARMED secret service there to protect him...the hypocrisy knows no bounds. Makes ya just wanna throw up in the grass. |
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scwebster - 2016-01-05 6:07 PM
I am just super suprised that there has not been an assassination attempt on him in the last 7 years. He keeps this up I feel like there will probably be one.
I AM TOO!!!!!!!!!!!! In fact, it is almost unbelievable to me that there hasn't been a shot taken at his dumb a$$.
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| Stitch4k9 - 2016-01-05 9:51 PM
cruise - 2016-01-05 7:38 PM The gunman at Sandy Hook stole guns that were purchased legally by his mother. How would what the potus spewing prevent something like that from happening again?
Maybe the mental health issues he spoke about. Sometimes listening to the entire speach is helpful.
According to family and friends the Mother of the Sandy Hook killer had tried to get him more help. But as a young adult there are not a lot of services available.
And it was obvious that the theatre killer in CO was mentally ill. Another one that could have been stopped by mental health services. The latest CO killer that targeted Planned Parenthood had some pretty obvious issues. Had his ex wife, who he beat spoke up years ago that one may have been stopped as well.
I suspect you missed the part about having the technology in place for finger print locks. To help keep 3, 4, 5 year olds from accidentally killing someone. To lower the suicide rate in this country. And there was a whole lot more.
But listening to the entire speech would have also led to the FACT that the President defended the the Second Ammendmant.
karen
I can see how mental health issues could discount a large part of the population. What about all of the kids on Ritalin in our schools, what about a mother who has taken anti depressants after giving birth, what about someone seeking counseling for drug or alcohol problems? Are all of these considered mentally unstable? How will the govt acquire this info? I don't think gun control will help with suicide issues. We have a very high suicide rate in our young people where I live. Very few shoot themselves. We are very rural, everyone has a gun so access isn't the problem. |
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I agree that we need TONS more mental health support services, especially with working with students with special needs. But one of my students with Asperger's is on the trap team and loves to shoot. Autism qualifies as a Mental Health Disorder. Is he going to be restricted??
I wanted to punch Odumbo in the nose and give him something to shed tears about! He's such an actor. I really feel like someone is going to push the Big Red Button that says DO NOT PUSH before the end, or at the end of his term. Especially with N. Korea testing H bombs on top of it! |
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i hope the ones who praised him and wanted him in the office SO badly to begin with are satisfied at the lame job Obummer has done during his presidency.
I honestly didn't think it was possible to despise a person so much, but those crocodile tears brought it to a whole new level. 
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Question.......Doesn't the executive order include that sellers at gun shows now have to adhere to the same laws (rules) regarding background checks that legitimate (brick & mortar) gun shops do? Good? bad? Personally, I think if you are seliing 30-40+ guns at a gun show, YOU are NOT a private seller........ |
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Location: Southwest Louisiana | I don't usually go on about politial stuff, but I did accidently watch Obama yesterday, and the things that jumped out at me were the LIES he sold to the crowd. And they ate it up! ?First of all, sellers at gun shows ALREADY have to do background checks! That's already a law. If you are a private citizen selling a gun, you do not have to do a background check. If I meet up with you in your driveway and buy a gun from you, we fill out a bill of sale and that's it. But any gun shop or gun show sales (unless we meet up at the gun show and make the exchange there as private citizens) have to have background checks done. Second, he went on and on about a website where ciminals go to get guns. It is already ILLEGAL to buy guns online. You can't do it. Gun sales would be even higher than they are right now if that was possible. Private citizens can contact each other online, like on this message board and say hey, I have a gun for sale, lets meet up and you can buy it. But actually looking at an online store and having a gun shipped to your doorstep? NOPE. You can shop for guns online, but when they ship it to you, they will only ship it to a licenesed dealer, and when you show up to get your gun, that dealer will do the background check before they will hand the gun to you. Third, the biggest thing he didn't mention about ALL of the shootings he talked about yesterday, including the theater shooting, sandy hook, etc. They were ALL done in GUN FREE ZONES!!!! Get rid of gun free zones and you won't have a$$holes so brave as to walk into a school looking to kill innocent kids. Have an armed guard, arm the teachers, etc. Don't have big signs posted saying no guns. The theater guy had actually planned to shoot up an airport but realized there was too much security. The theater he chose to shoot was the closest Gun Free theater. There were other theaters closer, but weren't gun free zones, so he bypassed them. I just wish this guy would stop outright lying about these things and do something about the real problems. The main things I've seen him do in the last 7 years is create more racial divide and have the country on edge with people ready and willing to revolt. He's a disgrace. But there are so many people out there who listen and agree with him because they don't know the facts. Makes me sick and scared about this next election. The only thing worse than Obama for president is Hillary. |
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Location: Kansas | Bear - 2016-01-05 10:25 PM It's too bad he failed to show the same level of emotion and tears in the aftermath of the ISIS beheading of an American, or the genicide in Syria of over 250,000 civilians after he issued his now famous "red line" warning to the Assad regime, or the murder of 4 Americans in Benghazi, or the massacre in Paris, or after the San Bernadino massacre.......not one tear shed after any of these horrific, tragic events. Oh, he made statements after these tragic events....then promptly flew off to fund-raisers, or went golfing. I honestly don't think this executive order will amount to much. This display of emotion, in my opinion, was nothing more than acting - a hallmark of narcissism, in fact. Narcissists are cunning and masterful at this kind of thing. The world is on fire. The country is more divided than ever. This was a dog-and-pony show designed to divert attention from the chaos and worldwide chaos he has fomented.
.......and don't forget six soldiers died in Afghanistan while he was on vacation in Hawaii. And another has died since. Unless I missed something, evidently this President, who never visits our troops in foreign countries, doesn't feel the military is worth leaving the golf course for.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Rocket'sMagicGirl - 2016-01-06 10:16 AM I don't usually go on about politial stuff, but I did accidently watch Obama yesterday, and the things that jumped out at me were the LIES he sold to the crowd. And they ate it up! ?First of all, sellers at gun shows ALREADY have to do background checks! That's already a law. If you are a private citizen selling a gun, you do not have to do a background check. If I meet up with you in your driveway and buy a gun from you, we fill out a bill of sale and that's it. But any gun shop or gun show sales (unless we meet up at the gun show and make the exchange there as private citizens) have to have background checks done.
That being said...... Licensed Dealers who set up at gun shows DO have to do background checks........And some "Show Promotors" had instituted a rule requiring everyone at THEIR shows to do the checks! I do agree with the remainder of your post!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | MissMary2277 - 2016-01-06 9:02 AM It is both a sad and scary time my friends... i hope the ones who praised him and wanted him in the office SO badly to begin with are satisfied at the lame job Obummer has done during his presidency. I honestly didn't think it was possible to despise a person so much, but those crocodile tears brought it to a whole new level. I honestly, 110% feel BAD for the next person who takes office. They have a huge MESS to START to work on... the **** show he's lead will take years to clean up.
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Stitch4k9 - 2016-01-05 10:51 PM
cruise - 2016-01-05 7:38 PM The gunman at Sandy Hook stole guns that were purchased legally by his mother. How would what the potus spewing prevent something like that from happening again?
Maybe the mental health issues he spoke about. Sometimes listening to the entire speach is helpful.
According to family and friends the Mother of the Sandy Hook killer had tried to get him more help. But as a young adult there are not a lot of services available.
And it was obvious that the theatre killer in CO was mentally ill. Another one that could have been stopped by mental health services. The latest CO killer that targeted Planned Parenthood had some pretty obvious issues. Had his ex wife, who he beat spoke up years ago that one may have been stopped as well.
I suspect you missed the part about having the technology in place for finger print locks. To help keep 3, 4, 5 year olds from accidentally killing someone. To lower the suicide rate in this country. And there was a whole lot more.
But listening to the entire speech would have also led to the FACT that the President defended the the Second Ammendmant.
karen
Karen, thank you for your reply. You are correct, I did not listen to the speech. Ironically, working at an alcohol and drug abuse treatment facility we were dealing with a dually diagnosed client (drugs and mental health) at the time who was off the charts.
It is easy to say "could have been stopped by mental health services. The reality as you pointed out about the mother of the Sandy Hook killer trying to get him more help, but as a young adult there are not a lot of services available is correct. In my state the waiting period for a bed is 2 to 3 weeks and sometimes longer. Our mental health facility will not see this person everyday while they are waiting on a bed. Adults often decide they are not going to take their medication because they get a false sense of "being cured" when the medication works. Unless a large majority of these are monitored 24/7 they are a ticking time bomb. Additionally, many mix alcohol and other drugs with the prescribed meds and create not one but two problems. Often times it is like which came first - the chicken or the egg. Did they develop a drug problem because they tried to "self medicate" a mental health problem, or did they develop a mental health problem because of drug use. I am attaching a very informative article on mental health. If you read it please note that in the early 1960's (this article was written in 1983) the state of New York was spending 400 to 500 million (federal dollars) a year caring for the state's mentally ill. The care was by way of hospitals (institutions). Since these facilities were closed many things have happened such as increase in homeless, suicides, murders, etc.
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-pat...
So, as copied directly from the speech (I did read the speech when I had time)
That’s why we made sure that the Affordable Care Act — also known as Obamacare — (laughter and applause) — that law made sure that treatment for mental health was covered the same as treatment for any other illness. And that’s why we’re going to invest $500 million to expand access to treatment across the country. (Applause.)
Sounds so wonderful doesn't it? I have to ponder what his plan is for the 500 million in additional funds to expand access to treatment across the county will actually fund. Is this a one time investment with states expected to pick up the tab after that? Is it a yearly investment? Referencing the article of the above link - given the inflation rate since 1963, the increased number of mentally ill, the increased number of homeless with mental health issues, the parents who take their children for mental health care, but they themselves take the meds or sell them to support their drug of choice habit instead of giving them to the child as prescribed for treatment, and the ones living in total isolation, and the list could go on and on - what is his plan for 500 million to do great wonders if it was costing one state, the State of New York 400 to 500 million in federal dollars per year to care for its mentally ill patients in what were mental institutions in 1963. The article above lays out how these were closed. There are some people who have lost such touch with reality, refuse to take their medicine on their own, and are a danger to themselves and others that 24/7 care is the only answer.
Also as taken from the speech 2 in 3 gun deaths are from suicides. Since the beginning of time suicide has been one way to seemingly solve life's problems. Our county ranks near the top of our state for suicides - many a slit wrist. Often times if a person contemplates suicide they develop a plan ironically the developing of the plan leads to a sense terror and relief; relief in that all one's problems can finally be solved and terror at the idea of having to die to find that relief. If a gun is not available they will develop and plan to end their life another way - some even attempt death by cop. So, yes since depression is the leading underlying cause of suicide mental health, if sought and followed, could reduce that number. Again, I question with so many how will 500 million make a huge difference. I will wait to see how his plan for mental health progresses.
He did appear to support the second amendment. I have a CWP and a legal handgun. I have absolutely no problem with what he presented as far as background checks, etc. My problem is that the "just say no" worked so well on illegal drugs, I see this as being similar. There will always be a black market for guns, just as there is for drugs. People who are going to commit suicide after a rampage of taking innocent lives don't care if the gun they use is legal or illegal.
FACT - yes he did appear to defend the Second Amendment - just not sure about most of what he proposed in the speech making a huge difference. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Obama doesn't really care about this. He just acts like he cares. He could have sat down with leaders in congress to work out bipartisan legislation that could have addressed the same issues, but he didn't want to. Right now, I think the guy is running on fumes, counting the days until he can leave office and pass the baton to Billary. He will continue with these kinds of incendiary actions as a distraction from the fact that the country is circling the drain and the world is a huge tinderbox set to explode. He doesn't want to deal with that, because he knows he can't, and frankly he doesn't care. All he cares about is himself and his legacy.....completely consistent with his narcissistic personality.
Meanwhile, just today, we hear reports that North Korea has tested a hydrogen bomb, the most lethal weapon known to man. We also learn of their association with Pakistan and Iran, and this is quite possibly one way that Iran can work around their agreement with the West. Their scientists have been working in North Korea, which we have allowed to go Rogue for the past 25 years. Between these 3 nations, I'm pretty certain they will share their technology AND materiel, such that the ICBM and payload (hydrogen bomb) will soon be at their disposal. Where is Obama's focus? Gun shows and invading the confidential records of the doctor-patient relationship. |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear... |
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Location: The barn...where else? SW Missouri | Three 4 Luck - 2016-01-05 5:23 PM
As he cried a river of crocodile tears.
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Location: The barn...where else? SW Missouri | Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM
I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear...
I love to shoot competition with my .22, but the ammo is so hard to get now I haven't done it much. I don't get why the .22 is so hard to find. I used to walk in and buy a brick and now you can't even find it. If you do find some for sale you better grab it or it's gone. |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | Stitch4k9 - 2016-01-05 9:51 PM cruise - 2016-01-05 7:38 PM The gunman at Sandy Hook stole guns that were purchased legally by his mother. How would what the potus spewing prevent something like that from happening again? Maybe the mental health issues he spoke about. Sometimes listening to the entire speach is helpful.
According to family and friends the Mother of the Sandy Hook killer had tried to get him more help. But as a young adult there are not a lot of services available.
And it was obvious that the theatre killer in CO was mentally ill. Another one that could have been stopped by mental health services. The latest CO killer that targeted Planned Parenthood had some pretty obvious issues. Had his ex wife, who he beat spoke up years ago that one may have been stopped as well.
I suspect you missed the part about having the technology in place for finger print locks. To help keep 3, 4, 5 year olds from accidentally killing someone. To lower the suicide rate in this country. And there was a whole lot more.
But listening to the entire speech would have also led to the FACT that the President defended the the Second Ammendmant.
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A responsible gun owner keeps their weapons in a big gun safe with a weird combination that the kids do not have access to. Yes, the Sandy Hook kid needed intervention, but the mom knew he was disturbed and still didn't take safe enough measures to keep him from accessing her guns, and she paid the ultimate price, so sad... |
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| RunNbarrels - 2016-01-06 11:47 AM Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear... I love to shoot competition with my .22, but the ammo is so hard to get now I haven't done it much. I don't get why the .22 is so hard to find. I used to walk in and buy a brick and now you can't even find it. If you do find some for sale you better grab it or it's gone.
We found a brick this weekend for 26.99! Limit one unfortunately, but you bet we snatched it up! |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | RunNbarrels - 2016-01-06 11:47 AM Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear... I love to shoot competition with my .22, but the ammo is so hard to get now I haven't done it much. I don't get why the .22 is so hard to find. I used to walk in and buy a brick and now you can't even find it. If you do find some for sale you better grab it or it's gone.
I only shoot 9mm or .223 and 00 buck, slugs, and #6 or 7.5 shotgun, so my ammo is easy to get...so far!... I hoard Blazer 115 brass for the Glocks, and buy in 1000 round bulk when it's on sale online....I don't want to say how much I have on hand, it might scare the weak hearted.., but yes, I'm nervous about it getting real expensive again and scarce. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear...
Obama wants to add a tax of up to a nickel per bullet..
As far as the mental health deal...When my husband first went on the police force, there were quite a few mental hospitals and if a person had mental problems, the police took them there instead of jail. You can thank the liberals for changing that. Many liberal ideas are coming back to bite us all.
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| Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 12:19 PM RunNbarrels - 2016-01-06 11:47 AM Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear... I love to shoot competition with my .22, but the ammo is so hard to get now I haven't done it much. I don't get why the .22 is so hard to find. I used to walk in and buy a brick and now you can't even find it. If you do find some for sale you better grab it or it's gone.
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| Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM
I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear...
There is already talk in California to require ammo buyers to register every box they purchase in a state data base. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | cyount2009 - 2016-01-06 12:57 PM
Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM
I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear...
There is already talk in California to require ammo buyers to register every box they purchase in a state data base.
Ah yes, California. The great laboratory for socialist experiments for the rest of the U.S., with Governor Moonbeam being the chief social scientist.
Meanwhile, here in Texas, the majority of Californians leaving that state like rats leaving a sinking ship, are re-settling here. I'm guessing most of them are more conservative citizens longing for a place to live where conservatives are not becoming extinct. I also think a significant number of bleeding heart liberal socialists are, unfortunately, also infiltrating the state, choosing a few bastions of liberalism. I have seen evidence of these vermin in Austin. Being the hypocrites that they are, I'm sure they reluctantly admit, at least to themselves, that living in a state without income tax is......well....shall we say, "liberating"? |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | TXBO - 2016-01-06 12:48 PM Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 12:19 PM RunNbarrels - 2016-01-06 11:47 AM Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear... I love to shoot competition with my .22, but the ammo is so hard to get now I haven't done it much. I don't get why the .22 is so hard to find. I used to walk in and buy a brick and now you can't even find it. If you do find some for sale you better grab it or it's gone.
I actually took a reloading class but all I need is one more thing to do...LOL...so I pay. Sadly, the ranges I go to don't allow reloads, and we do all of our league and defensive shooting with range officials (inside or outside) and they check all of our ammo ahead of time. Maybe someday I'll have to though, if things go south. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Bear - 2016-01-06 3:41 PM
cyount2009 - 2016-01-06 12:57 PM
Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM
I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear...
There is already talk in California to require ammo buyers to register every box they purchase in a state data base.
Ah yes, California. The great laboratory for socialist experiments for the rest of the U.S., with Governor Moonbeam being the chief social scientist.
Meanwhile, here in Texas, the majority of Californians leaving that state like rats leaving a sinking ship, are re-settling here. I'm guessing most of them are more conservative citizens longing for a place to live where conservatives are not becoming extinct. I also think a significant number of bleeding heart liberal socialists are, unfortunately, also infiltrating the state, choosing a few bastions of liberalism. I have seen evidence of these vermin in Austin. Being the hypocrites that they are, I'm sure they reluctantly admit, at least to themselves, that living in a state without income tax is......well....shall we say, "liberating"?
Yes you don't have to look very far in Austin for a liberal! |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | I'm just as worried about the fool running North Korea! Talk about a loose cannon. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Just remember...Obama says one thing and does another...You can keep your doctor if you like your doctor. Your premiums will go down an average of $2500. per family. It is written deep in the Healthcare debacle about guns and gun ownership and it will becoming into effect and it's not going to be pretty.
Obama is letting out criminals early and they have not been enforcing gun laws that are on the books. It seems most things are slanted toward the criminal and sure doesn't do much for the victim.
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Location: PNW | Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 2:37 PM
TXBO - 2016-01-06 12:48 PM Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 12:19 PM RunNbarrels - 2016-01-06 11:47 AM Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear... I love to shoot competition with my .22, but the ammo is so hard to get now I haven't done it much. I don't get why the .22 is so hard to find. I used to walk in and buy a brick and now you can't even find it. If you do find some for sale you better grab it or it's gone.
Reloading is a pain. We bought a reloader and had all these big plans to use it.... I think we've used it twice? Maybe? Time is money, and reloading takes A LOT of it. But, we have it in case we NEED it. lol |
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Location: Arkansas | Bear - 2016-01-06 8:26 AM
Bottom line is that this president is in over his head. He has been ever since he took the oath. He is preoccupied with moving the country sharply to the left. If that means tearing the country down from within, in order to advance his agenda of a socialist utopia, that's what he'll do. The irony and hypocrisy of all of this is that he will quickly become one of the wealthiest people in the country, as a result, once he leaves office. The world will be his oyster, and he will quickly accumulate massive wealth with his mouth, just like AlGore and the Clintons. His minions will be oblivious to his obscene hypocrisy and worship him like a God.
When he first came on the scene my momma said that something about him made her wonder about the antichrist. . . . . |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | And you can't buy a gun over the internet and have it shipped to your home. It has to go to another gun dealer that has a FFL license but once again..the lie sounds better then the truth. Only our own government has handed over arms to people that shouldn't have them. |
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Location: So. California | I'm out of the loop as well... Are you talking about this: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/ 2016/01/05/memorandum-promoting-smart-gun-technology
I couldn't find an executive order.
I like technology just as much as the next person, just not when it comes to firearms. What if there is a software glitch and I can't fire the gun when in a dire situation? Not a good idea.... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I was watching the news reports about how our troops were surrounded by Taliban in Afghanistan and how they had to be evacuated yesterday. It's sad how we drove the Taliban out back in 2002, and now they are back, taking the country over again. I realize it's not a completely similar scenario, but for some reason it brought back images from Saigon in 1975, with our remaining troops being hurriedly evacuated from the U.S. Embassy rooftop by Huey's.
That was one of the low points in American history, as our national pride was at an all time low. Yesterday's events reminded me of that.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Chandler's Mom - 2016-01-06 8:50 PM Bear - 2016-01-06 8:26 AM Bottom line is that this president is in over his head. He has been ever since he took the oath. He is preoccupied with moving the country sharply to the left. If that means tearing the country down from within, in order to advance his agenda of a socialist utopia, that's what he'll do. The irony and hypocrisy of all of this is that he will quickly become one of the wealthiest people in the country, as a result, once he leaves office. The world will be his oyster, and he will quickly accumulate massive wealth with his mouth, just like AlGore and the Clintons. His minions will be oblivious to his obscene hypocrisy and worship him like a God. When he first came on the scene my momma said that something about him made her wonder about the antichrist. . . . .
She is not the only one..... for the sake of my kids, I hope not. |
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Location: Arkansas | Barnmom - 2016-01-06 10:20 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2016-01-06 8:50 PM Bear - 2016-01-06 8:26 AM Bottom line is that this president is in over his head. He has been ever since he took the oath. He is preoccupied with moving the country sharply to the left. If that means tearing the country down from within, in order to advance his agenda of a socialist utopia, that's what he'll do. The irony and hypocrisy of all of this is that he will quickly become one of the wealthiest people in the country, as a result, once he leaves office. The world will be his oyster, and he will quickly accumulate massive wealth with his mouth, just like AlGore and the Clintons. His minions will be oblivious to his obscene hypocrisy and worship him like a God. When he first came on the scene my momma said that something about him made her wonder about the antichrist. . . . .
It's just terrifying to me what state our nation (and world) is in. The end of days that have been preached about sure seem closer than ever. |
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Location: Kansas | Both Hillary and Debbie Wasserman Schultz have been asked by reporters what the difference is between being Democrat vs. Socialist. They both stammered and stuttered with no answer. |
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| svincent - 2016-01-06 8:40 PM Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 2:37 PM TXBO - 2016-01-06 12:48 PM Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 12:19 PM RunNbarrels - 2016-01-06 11:47 AM Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-06 11:43 AM I have been hoarding ammo for a couple of years, but I go through a lot of it anyway, now I'm buying even more....luckily, I just bought an Armalite 18" AR15 3 gun rifle before Christmas, plus another Mossberg. I think the next way they will limit us is going after the ammo somehow...if Hilary gets elected, you better have some unregistered guns and ammo well hidden, I fear... I love to shoot competition with my .22, but the ammo is so hard to get now I haven't done it much. I don't get why the .22 is so hard to find. I used to walk in and buy a brick and now you can't even find it. If you do find some for sale you better grab it or it's gone. Reloading is a pain. We bought a reloader and had all these big plans to use it.... I think we've used it twice? Maybe? Time is money, and reloading takes A LOT of it. But, we have it in case we NEED it. lol
BTW... I use a Dillon Precision 650 for pistol and rifle. I load about 500 rounds per hour with it. No hassle.
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Location: Buffalo, TX | TXBO - 2016-01-07 10:05 AM Reloading is a pain. We bought a reloader and had all these big plans to use it.... I think we've used it twice? Maybe? Time is money, and reloading takes A LOT of it. But, we have it in case we NEED it. lol
BTW... I use a Dillon Precision 650 for pistol and rifle. I load about 500 rounds per hour with it. No hassle.
I learned on a single stage press (pistol only)....I didn't buy the equipment because I also thought it would be a pain, but yours sounds awesome...500 per hour...wow...
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| Frodo - 2016-01-07 6:47 AM
Both Hillary and Debbie Wasserman Schultz have been asked by reporters what the difference is between being Democrat vs. Socialist. They both stammered and stuttered with no answer.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Cindy Hamilton - 2016-01-07 10:57 AM TXBO - 2016-01-07 10:05 AM Reloading is a pain. We bought a reloader and had all these big plans to use it.... I think we've used it twice? Maybe? Time is money, and reloading takes A LOT of it. But, we have it in case we NEED it. lol
BTW... I use a Dillon Precision 650 for pistol and rifle. I load about 500 rounds per hour with it. No hassle.
I easily shoot 2000-3000 9mm rounds a month.
You're my hero. I don't target practice much because I HATE shooting. I don't like the noise or the kick or the smell, and I'm right handed but left eye dominant, which makes rifles and shotguns difficult. I handle my personal defense gun occasionally just so I know I remember how everything works, but it hurts so I never shoot that one on the rare occasions I target practice. |
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ANYONE ELSE GETTING NERVOUS....