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| Had the horse going on 2 weeks and I know it takes a while but I don't see a difference.
Teeth done the day I had the pre-purchase done
Eats 7# Blue Bonnet Intensify per day. That's 1.5 3qt scoops twice a day.
Gets free choice Bermuda hay
I am giving her a maintenance dose of Omep right now and she was on TX dose for a little over a week.
I just added beet pulp to her grain tonight. I am starting it slowly because she was not a fan when I tried to feed it to her from my hand. |
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Location: So. California | Why do you feed that grain?
The first 5 ingredients of the pelleted feed: Dehydrated alfalfa meal, rice hulls, wheat middlings, Rice bran, dehulled soybean meal. The textured feed doesn't like much better.
That looks like all filler to me, with little benefit for the horse. Rice bran is the exception. |
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| Anniemae - 2016-01-06 9:29 PM
Why do you feed that grain?
The first 5 ingredients of the pelleted feed: Dehydrated alfalfa meal, rice hulls, wheat middlings, Rice bran, dehulled soybean meal. The textured feed doesn't like much better.
That looks like all filler to me, with little benefit for the horse. Rice bran is the exception.
I love the Blue Bonnet Intensify. I have had nothing but good luck with it in the past. Its pretty high in fiber and that could be why the hulls and middlings. De-hulled SBM is protein, so is alfalfa and rice bran is fat. Im sure there are other reasons why those things are in there but that's what comes to mind. It has added probiotics and amino acids for muscle and bone health. It really is a pretty nice feed. |
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| Has the horse been worked? Platinum performance will help too. I feed two scoops to my big old mare, morning and night. I weight out my feed and two scoops weighs 6 lbs. |
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| streakysox - 2016-01-06 11:45 PM
Has the horse been worked? Platinum performance will help too. I feed two scoops to my big old mare, morning and night. I weight out my feed and two scoops weighs 6 lbs.
My scoop may be a 2qt then lol. I thought it was a 3... Anywho, I have not wormed her. I will go buy a broad spectrum today. The reason I have not yet is because A) she came from the track in October (late runner- 4&5yo year). I was hoping she would be up to date and they said she hadn't been out with other horses but.... and B) with her having tunny troubles from staying overnight at the vet and going off feed and needing omep I was thinking I should wait and let her settle.
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Location: SE Missouri | Is she cleaning up the grain and hay? If so give her more. Bermuda hay can vary a lot on quality as with any hay. So I'd make sure my hay is high quality. I like soaked alfalfa pellets for adding weight to one also.. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Roanie - I sent you a PM |
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Location: Florida.. | your not feeding her near enough... if your feeding a 2 qt scoop plus a half thats 6 qts a day =6 lbs..daily.
http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/172453_Intensify-Pelleted-Fab_Sht.pdf
she needs more calories.. People tend to think they need this or that and whats wrong with my horse its not gaining weight.. (which 2 weeks is hardly time to see a differance ) but they arent getting enough calories or quality roughage
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| She is cleaning up her grain but not her hay. She isn't leaving a bunch but she is leaving enough that I cleaned up the area where I feed her and picked up 2 wheelbarrows (accumulated over 2wks) of yucky hay because she left it and it got rained on, stomped in ect. I'm giving her about 25# Maybe 30# of the Bermuda per day. I'm getting a Bermuda/ Prairie mix today because she seemed to eat prairie better when I first got her even though the Bermuda is much better quality. Maybe she just likes the longer stemmed stuff... |
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Location: SE Missouri |
This.. Scales are super cheap and easy to use.. |
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| 6 lbs alfalfa pellets twice a day, 1.5 lb whole oats, with 1 lb rice bran twice a day. Stop the grain. Deworm, treat for ulcers. 10-14 days full tube Ulcergard, then drop to 1/2 tube for another week. Stomach by Nouvelle Research is black magic, everything I have is on it. Buy a horse round bale feeder, feed your small bales in that, it will keep her eating off the ground but won't allow her to waste her hay. Provide a mineral block.
Horses coming off the track are usually coming down off all kinds of things, not least being fed high as a kite. They usually lose weight if you don't feed them enough. |
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Location: sunny california | my track horse gained very nicely on alfalfa and timothy, 1 cup of the babies feed to mix in THE MM and that is it. |
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| I thought about trying THE MM or something of the like but she is pretty picky.... I would hate to waste it. I upped her grain this morning so she is getting 8# of blue bonnet (per day) now and I gave her extra hay to see if she would play in it or eat it. I'm upping her beet pulp as of this evening because she ate her 2 cups (already soaked) fine last night and this AM. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | RoaniePonie11 - 2016-01-07 8:37 AM I thought about trying THE MM or something of the like but she is pretty picky.... I would hate to waste it. I upped her grain this morning so she is getting 8# of blue bonnet (per day) now and I gave her extra hay to see if she would play in it or eat it. I'm upping her beet pulp as of this evening because she ate her 2 cups (already soaked) fine last night and this AM.
I can send you some of mine in a bag and you can see if she will eat it |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Muscle Mass from THE Equine is great. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | RoaniePonie11 - 2016-01-08 6:37 AM
I thought about trying THE MM or something of the like but she is pretty picky.... I would hate to waste it. I upped her grain this morning so she is getting 8# of blue bonnet (per day) now and I gave her extra hay to see if she would play in it or eat it. I'm upping her beet pulp as of this evening because she ate her 2 cups (already soaked) fine last night and this AM.
It is just going to take time to figure out how to feed her. I like being sure she has hay 24/7 to eat as she feels like put in a place where it couldn't be fouled. |
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Location: NE Texas | I'd go alfalfa hay twice daily. Whole oats once daily mixed with Cur-OST Stomach formula for 30 days. Add in a cup or two of flax seed, BOSS, or vegetable oil for a little added fat. Take her off the processed grain and omeprazole. |
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| I use a slow feed hay net for mine if I have to feed hay inside when the weather is nasty otherwise they waste too much of it. If nice out, I feed them in the hay ring outside. Also THE Muscle Mass has done wonders for my older gelding also I added the Amplify to his grain and I have him on Bluebonnet but I am in the process of changing to the Omnis cubes but will probably keep him on the Amplify for weight until I know for sure he will maintain his weight like I want. He lost weight after the floods here in June because of leg issues and that is when I put him and my other 2 on THE Muscle Mass with added 4 other ingredients to take care of tendons, immune, etc. Very reasonable priced even for 3 horses. They are all doing great (knock on wood). |
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Location: North Dakota | I've had the most luck getting one to gain without grain. Good alfalfa and prairie hay is what I gave mine when he needed extra weight. Sometimes all that grain just upsets disrupts the good bacteria in the hind gut. Take what you'd spent on all that grain and put it into quality forage. |
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Location: Midwest | Why did you only give treatment dose for a one week?
hit with a probiotic for a day or so, resume treatment, feed her more. |
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Location: North Dakota | 30 pounds of grass hay is not much-mine graze 24/7 on dried up pastures and also get approximately 50# of 2nd cutting alfalfa a day.....2-3 pounds of whole oats with a cup of flax. I have 5 horses that get approximately 200-250# of hay pitched per day in a lot-some eat more some eat less but regardless they are just barely finishing that amount up in a 24 hour period and they look great. |
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Location: Central Texas | I have an OTTB that has alway been a hard keeper. I have struggled for years trying to keep him looking healthy. I fed insane amounts of grain, tried all the different supplements, added beet pulp, alfalfa pellets you name it I tried it. This summer I thought I was going to lose him. He kept colicing and I kept taking him to the vet and they would do the basic check, oil him, give banamine and send us home. Finally went to a different vet and got blood pulled, ultra sound etc....
Came home with a new game plan. Started with treating for ulcers for 8 weeks and slowly weened off the ulcer meds.
Changed his feed to about 12 # a day of Chaffhaye (I had never even heard of this stuff before) and 1# Renew Gold and continued with his daily Forco. Those amounts are split into two feedings. He still has access to coastal 24/7. I think it has made a world of difference for him. I am going to attempt to attach pictures of before and after.
First picture was around August September the 2nd and 3rd pictures are from Christmas.
I should also add that he is 23 years old. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/major+gift
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Location: SE Missouri | I've posted this on other threads regarding thin horses.. 24/7 good fertilized pastures (orchard grass, timothy, little clover), free choice alfalfa (meaning he NEVER runs out completely), mineral blocks, and the ONLY difference was taking him off 13# of grain and Platinum supplement (mainly oats with Purina amplify added) and switched to 2# of Renew Gold per day plus Exceed 6way..
(I think the oats quality was just trash for us this year, low TW, just not good and everything looked dull, I hate not feeding oats b/c they work for so long but the steam crimped from Triple Crown are $19/bag..)
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Location: SE Missouri | LMS - 2016-01-07 12:20 PM
30 pounds of grass hay is not much-mine graze 24/7 on dried up pastures and also get approximately 50# of 2nd cutting alfalfa a day.....2-3 pounds of whole oats with a cup of flax. I have 5 horses that get approximately 200-250# of hay pitched per day in a lot-some eat more some eat less but regardless they are just barely finishing that amount up in a 24 hour period and they look great.
This is great advice!! More high quality forage will make a huge difference 99% of the time.. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Maybe I am missing something, but am I the only one that when they get a new horse, that maybe, just maybe they might have asked - even if the horse came from the track, what the previous owners were feeding? And, then slowly changed the horse to a new diet which I prefer to feed?
Horses do stress going from one place to another. To cut them off cold turkey is only asking for problems and could be avoided by asking the previous owners. And no, it it isn't a stupid question to ask them.
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Location: Midwest | 3canstorun - 2016-01-08 7:29 AM Maybe I am missing something, but am I the only one that when they get a new horse, that maybe, just maybe they might have asked - even if the horse came from the track, what the previous owners were feeding? And, then slowly changed the horse to a new diet which I prefer to feed?
Horses do stress going from one place to another. To cut them off cold turkey is only asking for problems and could be avoided by asking the previous owners. And no, it it isn't a stupid question to ask them.
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their digestive systems take time to adjust. I thought she had done this, but if not, I would start back here. |
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| Thank you to everyone, I got a big bale of prairie hay yesterday and gave her quite a bit last night with the bermuda she still had left over and as of this morning she had eaten 95% of the prairie and still had bermuda left over. Its pretty hay and very good quality but maybe she just isn't a fan.. She is eating her 2 cups of beet pulp and 4# of blue bonnet ok, not happy about the amount of beet pulp but is eating it. I added smartgut ultra to her feed that I have left over from my mare that I am breeding in the spring who only gets it during hauling season. I'm going to look into THE. Again, thank you to everyone. i feel much better now that I see that she cleaned up more of her hay. I will probably add in some alfalfa to her hay tonight. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I picked up an ottb in September & tried low starch route because of ulcers he tested positive for by the vet. It didn't work. I had appendix track horse for years that I had to keep off beet pulp & molasses,and I fed straight grains and some alfalfa added. So I tried that route on this guy, which goes against everything we're told. He's blossomed & doing very well. Head down shot is when he first came. He has his own Facebook page - Dynamic Host - where I've posted more pics. He's 17.1 and he eats two small buckets of grain per day, along with a protein supplement, rice bran, a handful of Chaffhaye, Remission. He's calmed down too and isn't as hot..
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Location: Central Texas | I feed my OTTB, who came to me needing weight on him: 5 lbs whole oats/2 scoop vit-min supplement and 2 scoops of cool calories in addition to coastal hay. This is what he gets each day. I started out feeding him everything I could think of and he still looked underweight and rough. Now I feed less and vet says he looks awesome. |
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