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Location: Kentucky | I only have experience with T.H.E. However it's been a great product for my horses.
I have my 18 year old on T.H.E Muscle Mass with the ulcer prevent and joint & arthritis blend. I have also used the GastroPLUS on her when she had cow-patty like poops, which lasted a few months. I tried GastroGuard on her first, to no avail. Krystal sent me a bag of GastroPLUS and it cleared her up in 2-3 days.
IMO, they have a great product and great customer service. Excellent customer service. Plus their products are affordable.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I haven't used THE so can only speak from the Cur Ost side. But I use it for everything, my entire barn looks totally different. I started the journey for my allergy ridden mare. I was sick of using 100 different things to keep her running. Now I only use whole oats, flax, and Cur-Ost. Then I started a couple others to see if I noticed anything and was blown away.
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Location: North Dakota | THE did absolutely nothing for my horse. I haven't tried Cur-Ost for him but I've been very pleased with it on myself. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I only have experience with THE as well. I have my 12 year old mare and my newish 6 year old gelding on THE MM with joint blend. My mare looks amazing, although she's a wooly mammoth right now. But she was the type to drop weight in the winter months. But not anymore! In the summer she is smooth, sleek, shiny and solid muscle.
My new gelding has been here just a few months. He came to me on the lean side. So although I believe his weight gain is partially due to THE MM, I am trying to get my floater in to town to get his mouth fixed, which is hindering him. But he has bulked up as well.
I used GastroPlus on my mare at the beginning of the year. And just finished a treatment with my gelding. He is an OTTB and was a super nervous, looky type. After about a week into treatment, he settled down greatly.
Looking forward to trying out THE Calming cookies!
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I'm working on month 4 with only feeding THE products. Previous to this, I fed Platinum for many years until I needed an extra for ulcers on my competition mare. My budget didn't allow for the Platinum version. I worked with Krystal; I bought GastroPLUS first and fed it along with my remaining Platinum during this last summer. When I fed up both my Platinum and two bags of GastroPLUS, I went ahead and ordered Muscle Mass with ulcer prevent, joint arthritis. I have been feeding this to both of my personal horses since roughly the beginning of September. Their products work - my horses look great, my supplement bill went down a bit, and I have noticed no issues with either of them. We have continued to haul my filly to sortings and shooting practices this winter while my competition mare is staying legged up til we start competing in March.
Just my experience - Good luck, I don't think you'll go wrong with either product!
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Location: NE Texas | I have used both products and they are both great companies, with great staff and offer super products. For me personally, I have had the best success with the Cur-OST on my problem horse, as Dr. Schell and the Cur-OST team literally saved his life. Plus I love the forum on www.secondvet.com and the service through that site as well for consultations. Dr. Schell (formulator of the Cur-OST product) is always looking to improve and researching new concepts and how to apply them. He's an outside the box thinker, which I appreciate, and he's able to apply alot of research that has previously been set aside. The changes I have seen in my barn are amazing, but not nearly as amazing as the results my coworker has had with her acute fibromyalgia. I know of so many people and horses who have been helped by Dr. Schell and these products that had previously almost given up. When I started these products on my horse, it was literally a last resort for him and a shot in the dark. After much discussion with Dr. Schell, he asked me to give him 2 weeks....sure glad I did! |
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Location: The Great Northwest | ~BINGO~ - 2016-01-08 5:36 AM I only have experience with THE as well. I have my 12 year old mare and my newish 6 year old gelding on THE MM with joint blend. My mare looks amazing, although she's a wooly mammoth right now. But she was the type to drop weight in the winter months. But not anymore! In the summer she is smooth, sleek, shiny and solid muscle. My new gelding has been here just a few months. He came to me on the lean side. So although I believe his weight gain is partially due to THE MM, I am trying to get my floater in to town to get his mouth fixed, which is hindering him. But he has bulked up as well. I used GastroPlus on my mare at the beginning of the year. And just finished a treatment with my gelding. He is an OTTB and was a super nervous, looky type. After about a week into treatment, he settled down greatly. Looking forward to trying out THE Calming cookies! Krystal is great to work with and has always gotten me my order in a timely fashion. Plus, she has great prices.
The Calming Cookies are very handy! There is also a powder. Very good to keep one from being so anxious. Less chance for ulcers or colic! THE people are the best to work with when problems happen. |
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Location: Lala Land | I really do think T.H.E. is a good product. I fed Muscle Mass with the breathing addative and I could not get away from giving Ventipulmin, so I tried their (THE) COPD formula and it still wasn't enough to get away from Ventipulmin when it was more humid. I tried the CurOst and haven't given ventipulmin since!! I'm so happy with this product I could jump up & down.
ETA: I was also feeding Forco and do not have a need for any other supplement. So in the long run it's saving me money.
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Location: North Dakota | I have not used Cur-Ost.
I feed a custom blend of the T.H.E. Muscle Mass. I'd have to check my label, but I have the joint support, inflammatory support, and one other. I switched to it last year and Red looked the best he has ever looked. Love it!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think turmeric makes a lot of sense. There's good evidence that it can be beneficial. I'm very impressed with what people are saying about Cur-ost. We are going to give it a try. I'm especially impressed with the results people are seeing in their horses with respiratory problems. We're going to start out with bulk turmeric, black pepper, and coconut oil. Carol has a recipe for this. We might end up going to Cur-ost. The only THE product I've tried was the calming cookies, and I couldn't get any horses to eat them no matter what I tried, so I tossed them. |
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Location: SE Missouri | Herbie - 2016-01-07 10:04 AM
I have used both products and they are both great companies, with great staff and offer super products. For me personally, I have had the best success with the Cur-OST on my problem horse, as Dr. Schell and the Cur-OST team literally saved his life. Plus I love the forum on www.secondvet.com and the service through that site as well for consultations. Dr. Schell (formulator of the Cur-OST product) is always looking to improve and researching new concepts and how to apply them. He's an outside the box thinker, which I appreciate, and he's able to apply alot of research that has previously been set aside. The changes I have seen in my barn are amazing, but not nearly as amazing as the results my coworker has had with her acute fibromyalgia. I know of so many people and horses who have been helped by Dr. Schell and these products that had previously almost given up. When I started these products on my horse, it was literally a last resort for him and a shot in the dark. After much discussion with Dr. Schell, he asked me to give him 2 weeks....sure glad I did!
UGH I read your posts and have one (that's a lie, I have 3, lol) that I think this would be the ticket on. Just got to get the hubby on board to try something else. |
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Location: Memphis, TN | Bear - 2016-01-07 3:28 PM
I think turmeric makes a lot of sense. There's good evidence that it can be beneficial. I'm very impressed with what people are saying about Cur-ost. We are going to give it a try. I'm especially impressed with the results people are seeing in their horses with respiratory problems. We're going to start out with bulk turmeric, black pepper, and coconut oil. Carol has a recipe for this. We might end up going to Cur-ost. The only THE product I've tried was the calming cookies, and I couldn't get any horses to eat them no matter what I tried, so I tossed them.
I would be curious to know what the mixture is on that and how it works out money wise. I came across "Turmericle" by Stance Equine yesterday which looks to be the same mixture. I'm wondering if it's cheaper to mix it myself or just buy the Turmericle already done. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Make sure you guys read this if you consider mixing yourself 
http://www.curcuminforhealth.com/the-difference-between-turmeric-and-curcumin/
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Location: NE Texas | This is the info in the link smokingirlie posted. I tried to make the link live but couldn't.
" Turmeric vs. Curcumin - What's the Difference?
The plant turmeric (Curcuma longa) is very well known in India. The root is harvested, cleaned, dried, and powdered to be used as a spice (turmeric gives curry its beautiful golden yellow color) and as a medicine. Traditionally, turmeric was used for nearly every health condition known - from smallpox to a sprained ankle. The reason for its health effects is the compound known as curcumin. Just as oranges are a source of vitamin C, turmeric is a source of curcumin. Today, we extract curcumin from turmeric to use as a natural medicine.
But, a typical turmeric root contains about 2-5% curcumin, so taking an unstandardized, powdered turmeric root product means that very large amounts would be required to get a beneficial amount of curcumin. Additionally, curcumin is poorly absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract. While turmeric is excellent when used as a spice, a curcumin extract is a better choice for health benefits.
As a separate, identifiable substance, curcumin was first isolated in 1815. But it would take almost another hundred years before its full chemical structure was accurately mapped in 1910.
Since then, research on curcumin has exploded. It works on multiple pathways at multiple levels of those pathways all simultaneously. It's like a whole pharmacy of nutrients working harmoniously.
Because of its many beneficial effects, curcumin is well regarded for many health concerns. It stops pain and inflammation, and is being currently investigated for inhibiting tumors and fighting cancer, preventing fat growth and accumulation, regulating blood sugar, stopping depression and slowing the effects of Alzheimer's disease.
Curcumin is like a pharmacy unto itself working harmoniously in many different ways." |
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Location: NE Texas | What sets the Cur-OST product even further ahead is that they use BCM-95 Curcurmin, which is 96% absorbable, in all of their products combined with other herbs and food sources that provide even more anti-inflammatory and health benefits. Dr. Schell blends these product himself by hand (not in a large mixer) and tests every batch of every ingredient he receives personally, ensuring that the Cur-OST products are held to the highest standards and no fillers are present. Here is an article on BCM-95 Curcurmin. It's no secret that I love these products, as well as anyone else who has taken this leap. http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2007/10/report_curcumin/Page-01 |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bear - 2016-01-07 3:28 PM I think turmeric makes a lot of sense. There's good evidence that it can be beneficial. I'm very impressed with what people are saying about Cur-ost. We are going to give it a try. I'm especially impressed with the results people are seeing in their horses with respiratory problems. We're going to start out with bulk turmeric, black pepper, and coconut oil. Carol has a recipe for this. We might end up going to Cur-ost. The only THE product I've tried was the calming cookies, and I couldn't get any horses to eat them no matter what I tried, so I tossed them.
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| Bear - 2016-01-07 3:28 PM
I think turmeric makes a lot of sense. There's good evidence that it can be beneficial. I'm very impressed with what people are saying about Cur-ost. We are going to give it a try. I'm especially impressed with the results people are seeing in their horses with respiratory problems. We're going to start out with bulk turmeric, black pepper, and coconut oil. Carol has a recipe for this. We might end up going to Cur-ost. The only THE product I've tried was the calming cookies, and I couldn't get any horses to eat them no matter what I tried, so I tossed them.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | How many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | My mistake.....I meant to ask what is the recommended dose of BCM-95 Curcumin? How much is contained in Cur-Ost? |
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| Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website.
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Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website.
I also tried to find a cheaper way around the ingredients in Curost. I have 2 horses on it and it's about 300 a month. After I searched all the ingredients etc i realized I was not a vet or chemist and someone way more educated in this field than myself had spent hours of research to find the correct combination. Ingredients do not work independently of each other. It's how they all mix that give the most benefit. Soooooo what i did is to play with dosages. My 4 year old with really no issues get 1 scoop of total and my allergy arthritic dude gets full dose. That cut my Curost Bill in half. Lol i also still love my adequan and pentosan so I still use it. So it's all good |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | FLITASTIC - 2016-01-08 6:16 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 9:54 PM Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website. I also tried to find a cheaper way around the ingredients in Curost. I have 2 horses on it and it's about 300 a month. After I searched all the ingredients etc i realized I was not a vet or chemist and someone way more educated in this field than myself had spent hours of research to find the correct combination. Ingredients do not work independently of each other. It's how they all mix that give the most benefit. Soooooo what i did is to play with dosages. My 4 year old with really no issues get 1 scoop of total and my allergy arthritic dude gets full dose. That cut my Curost Bill in half. Lol i also still love my adequan and pentosan so I still use it. So it's all good
Yep, like Flitastic said. Just play with the dosing. Right now all my horses are on 1 scoop of their blends minus 1. And I'm sure I will have to play around again when we start hauling harder. But I've also dramatically cut my feed/supplement bill so I'm still ahead in that aspect.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | You can find BCM-95 Curcumin in bulk. I found a few sites that offer it. For example, 1 Kg (1000 doses) runs about $200 on this site:
http://www.bulksupplements.com/curcumin-turmeric-extract.html
That comes to about $5-6 per horse, per month, not counting the cost of fresh ground black pepper and coconut oil. From what I've read, you get optimum absorption with these two components. I've also found a recipe for Pure TURMERIC with coconut oil and fresh ground black pepper, and I bet you could apply this to the BCM-95 Curcumin. |
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Location: Midwest | Bear - 2016-01-08 8:21 AM You can find BCM-95 Curcumin in bulk. I found a few sites that offer it. For example, 1 Kg (1000 doses ) runs about $200 on this site: http://www.bulksupplements.com/curcumin-turmeric-extract.html That comes to about $5-6 per horse, per month, not counting the cost of fresh ground black pepper and coconut oil. From what I've read, you get optimum absorption with these two components. I've also found a recipe for Pure TURMERIC with coconut oil and fresh ground black pepper, and I bet you could apply this to the BCM-95 Curcumin.
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I'm sure he would share the dosing/measurements with you.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 11:54 PM
Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website.
I bought about 1 lb of pure organic ground turmeric last night for about $5.00 at HEB just for the heck of it, along with black peppercorns and coconut oil. Using a recipe I found on a "turmeric group" on FB I mixed up a batch just for shiz and giggles. I mixed 1/2 c of the turmeric with 1 c water and simmered it on low for about 8 minutes. I then mixed in 1/3 c coconut oil and 1 1/3 tsp of the fresh ground black pepper. Actually I made a double batch of this. They recommend 1/4 tsp twice a day for a dog, 1/2 tsp twice a day for a human, and 1 tsp mixed with feed for horses.
It was easy, and the double batch yielded me about 1 1/2 pints of the thick liquid that becomes a paste when refrigerated. Be careful, because this stuff stains everything, so now my fingers are pumpkin colored.....looks like I've been changing babies diapers. I took my first dose last night......no side effects. I gave my Rottie her first dose, mixed with some shredded cheese, and she ate it fine. I'll start the horses on it today.
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Location: NE Texas | Regarding the link I posted about the BCM-95 Curcurmin, neither the pepperdine or oil is not needed; it has a 96% absorption rate alone. Turmeric or Curcurmin would require the added pepperdine and oil. The dosage would be directly dependent on what you're trying to manage. The EQ Total Support is much more that just Curcurmin. Not only does it include the BCM-95 Curcurmin, but also has other herbs and whole food sources added to the blend to support the stomach, the immune response, inflammation, etc. There are other formulas they offer that have higher levels of Curcurmin for more advanced cases of pain and inflammation, and that would be the EQ Pure. For a horse who has severe arthritis, navicular, and other inflammation/pain issues, it would be a better choice over the EQ Total Support. Once the inflammation is controlled, EQ Total Support would likely be used for maintenance.
Another thing to consider is the potency and consistency of the herbs purchased. The Cur-OST team tests every batch of every ingredient received to ensure the meet the standards and aren't "cut", so to speak. I watched an interesting 20/20 last week about the olive oil industry and how the Italian mafia is controlling the majority of the oils we see on the shelf. Based on the documentation of the show, 75% of the Extra Virgin Olive Oil on the shelf in the US contains less than 10% actual olive oil. Interesting.
I leave the mix up to the experts, as like Flitastic said, i'm not a chemist and haven't done the research to know which herbs interact with one another positively or negatively. The Cur-OST product thankfull takes the guess work out of it for me, and i'm so thankful for them. The services they provide through the forum at www.secondvet.com and through consultations are second to none. Dr. Schell was able to get my horse back on track after several very well respected veterinarians had no other options.
This is a link to one of the discussions on the forum and is a great introduction to Nouvelle Reseach and Dr. Schell, the creator of the Cur-OST product. I can't name another company who offers this kind of support or accessibility. https://secondvet.com/index.php/kunena/equine/81-discussion-truth-transparency |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-01-08 8:38 AM
Bear, call the Cur-Ost guy.
I'm sure he would share the dosing/measurements with you.
After all, its for the animals.
I might do that. Like I've said, this is one naturopathic remedy that has genuinely piqued my interest. Allison emailed him and he wouldn't tell her the amount. Maybe he'll tell me if I talk to him and ask him.
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Location: NE Texas | Bear - 2016-01-08 8:42 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 11:54 PM Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website. I bought about 1 lb of pure organic ground turmeric last night for about $5.00 at HEB just for the heck of it, along with black peppercorns and coconut oil. Using a recipe I found on a "turmeric group" on FB I mixed up a batch just for shiz and giggles. I mixed 1/2 c of the turmeric with 1 c water and simmered it on low for about 8 minutes. I then mixed in 1/3 c coconut oil and 1 1/3 tsp of the fresh ground black pepper. Actually I made a double batch of this. They recommend 1/4 tsp twice a day for a dog, 1/2 tsp twice a day for a human, and 1 tsp mixed with feed for horses. It was easy, and the double batch yielded me about 1 1/2 pints of the thick liquid that becomes a paste when refrigerated. Be careful, because this stuff stains everything, so now my fingers are pumpkin colored.....looks like I've been changing babies diapers. I took my first dose last night......no side effects. I gave my Rottie her first dose, mixed with some shredded cheese, and she ate it fine. I'll start the horses on it today. They claim you can keep this in the fridge for 3 weeks. The whole thing is dirt cheap.
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Location: Midwest | Herbie - 2016-01-08 8:49 AM Bear - 2016-01-08 8:42 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 11:54 PM Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website. I bought about 1 lb of pure organic ground turmeric last night for about $5.00 at HEB just for the heck of it, along with black peppercorns and coconut oil. Using a recipe I found on a "turmeric group" on FB I mixed up a batch just for shiz and giggles. I mixed 1/2 c of the turmeric with 1 c water and simmered it on low for about 8 minutes. I then mixed in 1/3 c coconut oil and 1 1/3 tsp of the fresh ground black pepper. Actually I made a double batch of this. They recommend 1/4 tsp twice a day for a dog, 1/2 tsp twice a day for a human, and 1 tsp mixed with feed for horses. It was easy, and the double batch yielded me about 1 1/2 pints of the thick liquid that becomes a paste when refrigerated. Be careful, because this stuff stains everything, so now my fingers are pumpkin colored.....looks like I've been changing babies diapers. I took my first dose last night......no side effects. I gave my Rottie her first dose, mixed with some shredded cheese, and she ate it fine. I'll start the horses on it today. They claim you can keep this in the fridge for 3 weeks. The whole thing is dirt cheap.
I think he's talking about buying stuff at two different occasions.
Anywho, if Cur Ost were cheaper, I would probably give it a whirl. I don't think it is a bad product by any means. However, I'm on a budget right now. I wouldn't mind trying the curcumin alone even, as it seemingly has helped my mother. If it's in my price range, I'd give it a shot. There is a lot of research behind these substances for pain relief. |
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Location: NE Texas | barrelracr131 - 2016-01-08 8:57 AM Herbie - 2016-01-08 8:49 AM Bear - 2016-01-08 8:42 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 11:54 PM Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website. I bought about 1 lb of pure organic ground turmeric last night for about $5.00 at HEB just for the heck of it, along with black peppercorns and coconut oil. Using a recipe I found on a "turmeric group" on FB I mixed up a batch just for shiz and giggles. I mixed 1/2 c of the turmeric with 1 c water and simmered it on low for about 8 minutes. I then mixed in 1/3 c coconut oil and 1 1/3 tsp of the fresh ground black pepper. Actually I made a double batch of this. They recommend 1/4 tsp twice a day for a dog, 1/2 tsp twice a day for a human, and 1 tsp mixed with feed for horses. It was easy, and the double batch yielded me about 1 1/2 pints of the thick liquid that becomes a paste when refrigerated. Be careful, because this stuff stains everything, so now my fingers are pumpkin colored.....looks like I've been changing babies diapers. I took my first dose last night......no side effects. I gave my Rottie her first dose, mixed with some shredded cheese, and she ate it fine. I'll start the horses on it today. They claim you can keep this in the fridge for 3 weeks. The whole thing is dirt cheap.
Anywho, if Cur Ost were cheaper, I would probably give it a whirl. I don't think it is a bad product by any means. However, I'm on a budget right now. I wouldn't mind trying the curcumin alone even, as it seemingly has helped my mother. If it's in my price range, I'd give it a shot. There is a lot of research behind these substances for pain relief.
Just confused and trying to help with the dosage, but considering the dosage would be VERY different between Turmeric and BCM-95 Curcurmin, that's something that definitely would need to be cleared up. Maybe he bought both.
The cost if the product is justified for me, as my total feed bill is a fraction of what it used to be with the $28/bag feed and other products I was giving trying to achieve the same results.
For those interested, below is the label off the EQ Total Support showing other ingredients included in this blend.
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It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | 1DSoon - 2016-01-08 8:38 AM Bear, call the Cur-Ost guy.
I'm sure he would share the dosing/measurements with you.
After all, its for the animals.
That isn't very fair to say? That would be like calling Sore No More and asking for their recipe so you can make your own instead of buying theirs?
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Location: Midwest | SmokinGirlie - 2016-01-08 9:02 AM 1DSoon - 2016-01-08 8:38 AM Bear, call the Cur-Ost guy.
I'm sure he would share the dosing/measurements with you.
After all, its for the animals. That isn't very fair to say? That would be like calling Sore No More and asking for their recipe so you can make your own instead of buying theirs?
His entire blend (the other things) would likely be proprietary.
And Herbie I thought in one post he shared the link for the 95% blend online, but in the other post he tried a tumeric recipe from tumeric bought at HEB.
I'm sure he will be back to answer.
And as for me, I pay board with feed and hay included, so all of it will be extra. LOL
ETA: I don't think he will share his dosage though. I'd look to research publications for this info, if there are any.
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Location: Midwest | And Bear, FYI, the BCM-95 Curcumin is the 95% Curcumin plus tumeric oils built in.... the link you posted above is plain 95%, so you would need to add a fat source still I believe.
I actually work in the science and laboratory field, so I like mixing things myself. Heck, I do it all day. But I totally get how one not in my field would rather just spend the extra money and not have to bother. I'm glad so many are having luck with this product. If it works and the ideas spread, it has the oportunity to help many horses. |
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| Bear - 2016-01-08 8:42 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-01-07 11:54 PM
Bear - 2016-01-07 6:38 PMHow many mg of BCM-95 turmeric is recommended per dose for a horse? We bought some today. I know it said 1 gram of BCM-95 is equal to 7 grams of regular 95% curcumin extract. I feed 14.3 grams of regular turmeric which is 3 to 5% curcumin. 14.3 grams is aprox. 1 Tablespoon. Since the BCM-95 is so potent I wonder if a person could get away with just feeding a teaspoon or about 4.7 grams? Did you buy your BCM-95 from curost in bulk or where eles is it sold? I want buy some but the only place I can find it is in bulk on the curost website.
I bought about 1 lb of pure organic ground turmeric last night for about $5.00 at HEB just for the heck of it, along with black peppercorns and coconut oil. Using a recipe I found on a "turmeric group" on FB I mixed up a batch just for shiz and giggles. I mixed 1/2 c of the turmeric with 1 c water and simmered it on low for about 8 minutes. I then mixed in 1/3 c coconut oil and 1 1/3 tsp of the fresh ground black pepper. Actually I made a double batch of this. They recommend 1/4 tsp twice a day for a dog, 1/2 tsp twice a day for a human, and 1 tsp mixed with feed for horses.
It was easy, and the double batch yielded me about 1 1/2 pints of the thick liquid that becomes a paste when refrigerated. Be careful, because this stuff stains everything, so now my fingers are pumpkin colored.....looks like I've been changing babies diapers. I took my first dose last night......no side effects. I gave my Rottie her first dose, mixed with some shredded cheese, and she ate it fine. I'll start the horses on it today.
They claim you can keep this in the fridge for 3 weeks. The whole thing is dirt cheap.
Ah the golden paste. I did that for quite a while. I even took it myself in some warm milk. I actually liked it. I have been feeding turmeric, fresh ground pepper and canola oil (it's cheaper bec I feed it to 4 horses. Coconut or olive oil was just to expensive after a while) for over a year already and it seems to work great. Besides it and pentosan and MSM, I haven't fed anything but a good quality hay and a kent dynasty feed. I have one with IAD from allergies and three other ones that just need basic joint maintenance. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If you read enough about this stuff, you'll find a ton of stories about results using pure BCM-95 Curcumin just like Herbie's excellent results with the Cur-Ost formulation. There is an actual turmeric "group" on FB loaded with these kinds of stories. Pure bulk BCM-95 Curcumin powder I found online ran about $200 for a kilogram of the stuff, so it's very cheap. I just used pure organic turmeric in the batch that I made last night. I can maintain a horse on this stuff for about the cost of a can of root beer per month. We have 7 horses, and the only issues are two tend to get coughing spells from time to time. Another is a son of Designer Red and he is a fire breathing dragon in the alley. I'm not sure there's any remedy for that, but if his behavior changes I'll be impressed! I think if I had a very special horse with the problems Herbie had, I would just roll the dice and go straight to the Cur-Ost, but nobody can afford to just keep a herd of 5-10 horses on Cur-Ost. They can easily afford to feed them the alternative recipe. I hope this helps some people out. |
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Location: Lala Land | I totally understand what you're saying with feeding a herd. I just have one on it and I've spent more in vet bills than I paid for him... so I'm sticking with the CurOst because he has a host of things to maintain besides the COPD. If I had others I that didn't have so many things I would probably try the recipes first. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2016-01-08 9:13 AM
And Bear, FYI, the BCM-95 Curcumin is the 95% Curcumin plus tumeric oils built in.... the link you posted above is plain 95%, so you would need to add a fat source still I believe.
I actually work in the science and laboratory field, so I like mixing things myself. Heck, I do it all day. But I totally get how one not in my field would rather just spend the extra money and not have to bother. I'm glad so many are having luck with this product. If it works and the ideas spread, it has the oportunity to help many horses.
Good point, Alison. My batch was just pure organic Turmeric, so I added the coconut oil the recipe called for. If I buy the bulk BCM-95 Curcumin (which is the actual active ingredient), I guess I won't have to fuss with making up batches, like I did with the turmeric.
Nice thing about Curcumin is that it is a COX-2 inhibitor, but it has a built in protective effect on the stomach because it doesn't effect Cox-1. |
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Location: NE Texas | Sorry, i'm still confused. I'm neither a scientist nor a doctor but am a fairly educated woman. So, Bear, you didn't buy the BCM-95 curcurmin as previously stated? Correct? You bought organic Turmeric at HEB? Not being snarky here, just trying to make sure I fully understand.
Secondly, no, BCM-95 Curcurmin is NOT the actual active ingredient in turmeric, regular curcurmin is. BCM-95 Curcurmin is different in that it has been developed through technology to improve the bioavailability and exclude the need for the added pepperdine and oil. I know you're trying to help others who want to try the paste without investing in the Cur-OST product, which is great, but the details you're providing are misleading and incorrect. It's important if we're going to advise, that the terminology used is correct, as the dosage would be VERY different from turmeric (2-5% absorbtion), to curcurmin (60% absorption rate), to BCM-95 Curcurmin (96% absorption rate). I will attach a quote from the earlier link I posted with additional information about BCM-95 Curcurmin.
"The Curcumin Revolution: Greatly Enhanced Bioavailability
Despite its impressive array of benefits, the effectiveness of oral supplementation with curcumin has been limited by poor absorption into the bloodstream through the digestive tract. In the past, a few formulators worked around this problem by adding a derivative of black pepper, piperine, which enhanced the absorption of ingredients such as curcumin.20 Scientists have long sought a more bioavailable form of curcumin to provide even greater pharmaceutical potencies to maximize curcumin’s efficacy.
Life Extension has reviewed numerous curcumin products that showed varying degrees of enhanced absorption. One published clinical study caught our attention. In it, a novel manufacturing technology was able to dramatically increase blood plasma curcumin to levels not previously seen through supple mentation. While only 50-60% of pure curcumin administered to animals is typically absorbed, this new technology increased the absorption of curcumin to a remarkable 96%.21 This impressive rise in bioavailability was achieved without the addition of piperine."
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Location: North Dakota | Lovin Life - 2016-01-08 10:26 AM I totally understand what you're saying with feeding a herd. I just have one on it and I've spent more in vet bills than I paid for him... so I'm sticking with the CurOst because he has a host of things to maintain besides the COPD. If I had others I that didn't have so many things I would probably try the recipes first.
Which Curost formula(s) are you using on your COPD horse? I have a horse with a cough and a couple containers of human Pure I'm thinking of playing around with....for now....to see.... |
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It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | LMS - 2016-01-08 10:47 AM Lovin Life - 2016-01-08 10:26 AM I totally understand what you're saying with feeding a herd. I just have one on it and I've spent more in vet bills than I paid for him... so I'm sticking with the CurOst because he has a host of things to maintain besides the COPD. If I had others I that didn't have so many things I would probably try the recipes first. Which Curost formula(s) are you using on your COPD horse? I have a horse with a cough and a couple containers of human Pure I'm thinking of playing around with....for now....to see....
I used Total and Immune on mine. :) Immune for the first 90 days and now she is on Total. |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | LMS - 2016-01-08 10:47 AM Lovin Life - 2016-01-08 10:26 AM I totally understand what you're saying with feeding a herd. I just have one on it and I've spent more in vet bills than I paid for him... so I'm sticking with the CurOst because he has a host of things to maintain besides the COPD. If I had others I that didn't have so many things I would probably try the recipes first. Which Curost formula(s) are you using on your COPD horse? I have a horse with a cough and a couple containers of human Pure I'm thinking of playing around with....for now....to see....
LMS, depending if the cough is wet or dry would be the first thing we need to determine, as COPD is treated differently than IAD, due to one being a "wet" condition with excess mucous and phlegm and the other being a more "dry" condition creating irritation. For COPD, as it is a wet condition usually with excess mucous production, you would use the EQ Total Support combined with the EQ Immune and Repair together for 90 days, then continue with the Total Support to maintenance. This was the condition I was dealing with. I would need to go back through my emails and review the IAD suggestions, but could certainly do that and let you know if needed. |
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Location: Lala Land | LMS - 2016-01-08 10:47 AM
Lovin Life - 2016-01-08 10:26 AM I totally understand what you're saying with feeding a herd. I just have one on it and I've spent more in vet bills than I paid for him... so I'm sticking with the CurOst because he has a host of things to maintain besides the COPD. If I had others I that didn't have so many things I would probably try the recipes first.
Which Curost formula(s) are you using on your COPD horse? I have a horse with a cough and a couple containers of human Pure I'm thinking of playing around with....for now....to see....
I did the same thing Herbie did. 90 days of Total and Immune and now just Total. |
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Location: North Dakota | It's the typical hay cough-not very productive at all. I'm thinking of trying to get the curcurmin in him via my pure and wanted to make sure that the only curcurmin you were feeding was in the form of the total support-I think I can do the math conversion from human Pure to total support equine and try it for a week or 2 if I have enough to see if there are benefits to this horse. If he eats it I will be amazed! Thanks for the info! |
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Location: NE Texas | LMS - 2016-01-08 11:11 AM It's the typical hay cough-not very productive at all. I'm thinking of trying to get the curcurmin in him via my pure and wanted to make sure that the only curcurmin you were feeding was in the form of the total support-I think I can do the math conversion from human Pure to total support equine and try it for a week or 2 if I have enough to see if there are benefits to this horse. If he eats it I will be amazed! Thanks for the info!
You might contact the company to make sure the Hu Pure is ok and if the formulas are exactly the same. The EQ Immune and Repair was vital in my case. After i'd had such dramatic results after the first 30 days, I tried to cheat to save money, and backed down to just the Total Support then. My horse declined a bit and the mucous built back up a little bit. I immediately reordered the Immune & Repair and did the full 90 days of both products and have been on just the Total Support since the end of July with no issues. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Herbie - 2016-01-08 10:46 AM
Sorry, i'm still confused. I'm neither a scientist nor a doctor but am a fairly educated woman. So, Bear, you didn't buy the BCM-95 curcurmin as previously stated? Correct? You bought organic Turmeric at HEB? Not being snarky here, just trying to make sure I fully understand.
Secondly, no, BCM-95 Curcurmin is NOT the actual active ingredient in turmeric, regular curcurmin is. BCM-95 Curcurmin is different in that it has been developed through technology to improve the bioavailability and exclude the need for the added pepperdine and oil. I know you're trying to help others who want to try the paste without investing in the Cur-OST product, which is great, but the details you're providing are misleading and incorrect. It's important if we're going to advise, that the terminology used is correct, as the dosage would be VERY different from turmeric (2-5% absorbtion), to curcurmin (60% absorption rate), to BCM-95 Curcurmin (96% absorption rate). I will attach a quote from the earlier link I posted with additional information about BCM-95 Curcurmin.
"The Curcumin Revolution: Greatly Enhanced Bioavailability
Despite its impressive array of benefits, the effectiveness of oral supplementation with curcumin has been limited by poor absorption into the bloodstream through the digestive tract. In the past, a few formulators worked around this problem by adding a derivative of black pepper, piperine, which enhanced the absorption of ingredients such as curcumin.20 Scientists have long sought a more bioavailable form of curcumin to provide even greater pharmaceutical potencies to maximize curcumin’s efficacy.
Life Extension has reviewed numerous curcumin products that showed varying degrees of enhanced absorption. One published clinical study caught our attention. In it, a novel manufacturing technology was able to dramatically increase blood plasma curcumin to levels not previously seen through supple mentation. While only 50-60% of pure curcumin administered to animals is typically absorbed, this new technology increased the absorption of curcumin to a remarkable 96%.21 This impressive rise in bioavailability was achieved without the addition of piperine."
No, sorry for the confusion, Herbie. My mistake. I just went ahead and bought pure organic turmeric and used the recipe off the turmeric group from FB.
I also found bulk BCM-95 Curcumin for $201 per kilogram online.
Please stop throwing the "I'm not a doctor but..." line in here. I'm just trying to be helpful. There are many equally sensational results as yours reported by people who use both turmeric as well as the BCM-95 curcumin. Also, just to reiterate, if I had a special horse like yours with exceptionally difficult problems, I would probably go straight to the Cur-Ost. I think what Dr Shell did is great. I just think people want to try something less expensive that might offer equally good results. I respect and understand why he refuse to disclose the amounts of the ingredients, even though I wish he would. He states the amount of the "blend" but refuses to comment on the amount of active ingredient. |
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Location: NE Texas | Haha, well i'm not a doctor! Just stating the facts and didn't intend it to be offensive. I'm sure there are many who appreciate your help and I do think it's absolutely beneficial, but just want to be sure that we provide them with the correct information and verbage to ensure someone doesn't buy bcm-95 and then dose it like turmeric. I don't know if it would be harmful, but I would say that there are alot of things that are good in correct doses, but can be harmful and even lethal if the dosage was miscalculated, especially if administered by almost 20 times, as you'd have to do for turmeric to reach the 96% of bcm-95.
Really there is no comparison from the impact of the paste vs the impact of the Total Support anyway, as i've done both. The additional herbs and ingredients in the Cur-OST product send the results far beyond what the paste is able to do. I guess I question only using the Cur-OST in a "critical" case. If you could achieve marginal improvement for a patient suffering from arthritis vs almost 100% improvement in the same patient, why not go for the gusto? Why is only the critical patient deserving of the most potent formula?
I bought a whole box of turmeric powder and did the paste as well for a while, it just didn't offer enough power for me, and yes, I had a critical case. I have provided alot of information on this post alone as to the differences between turmeric, curcurmin, bcm-95 curcurmin. It's important for us to educate ourselves if we're going to self treat. I know your patients rely on you and your expertise so they don't have to do recreate the wheel, do the research in interactions and dosages. Heck I have even contacted you for your help before....remember my faulty thermometer??? HAHA, what a goofball I am! I was certain I was dying. Anyway, your patients rely on you to treat them and they compensate you for your knowledge and your expertise. I feel the same way about the Cur-OST team/product and Nouvelle Research. They have spent years developing these products and they began with Dr. Schell's personal cancer story and were developed out of necessity to restore his own health when doctors and western medicine weren't able to. I too have spent alot of time educating myself on each of the ingredients in the blend, but I don't have the capabilities to test each of those in conjuction with each other. And really why would I want to? It's already been done and has proven effective. I've seen it over a hundred times and get at least 10 messages a week from either people or horses who have stories, some miraculous like mine.
I'm not trying to disrespectful to you, but some of the information you provided has been misleading and the verbage is incorrect. I don't want anyone hurting themselves or their horses by buying BCM-95 and dosing it like turmeric.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Yes, I remember you asking me about that Herbie. I hope I clarified things, and apologize for the mistake.
I'm fairly confident some people will find the less expensive remedy to be quite helpful. If so, then that would be rewarding. My personal advise would be to visit the Facebook Turmeric group and read what they have to say, then try either the turmeric recipe I posted, or go ahead and go to the BCM-95 Curcumin, recognizing that the Curcumin is like 20X more potent because that is the active ingredient. Save yourself $$$.
The literature is chock full of articles addressing intestinal absorption of Curcumin. There doesn't appear to be a lot of mystery here. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I love THE, it really helped my horse. Bob based a supplement off of her bloodwork and it cleared everything up that was going on. She had a weird allergy that would make her joints (in her legs) swell and ooze, huge hives all over and she couldn't breathe. After being on the supplement for 4 weeks it cleared everything up and I was sold on the product. Prior to THE I went to the vet and they couldn't figure it out, she was on 6cc of Dex, eating powdered dex and they even tried antibiotics. No relief and she seemed to be getting worse. I have a horse who has special needs. The vet jokes around how only this would happen to my horse. I have put all my horses on it and I'm super happy with the results. But again, I think every horse responds differently to every supplement so you may have to try both to see what works best for your horse. Plus THE is super affordable, I have a herd to feed therefore I was happy I ended up saving money. Even with the custom supplement it was surprising super affordable. |
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| ShortnRound - 2016-01-11 7:38 PM
I received my CurOst Stomach and adapt today and my ultra picky, will hardly eat anything but hay, gelding licked his bucket clean!
You will see very quick results with those 2 formulas. They are awesome. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | ShortnRound - 2016-01-11 9:38 PM I received my CurOst Stomach and adapt today and my ultra picky, will hardly eat anything but hay, gelding licked his bucket clean!
It's really neat, all my horses lick their pans clean! I wasn't expecting it when I started them either. |
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