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Location: Oklahoma | Of course I will be partial but would love to feel like our stallion Laico Ladiesman will be one of the sought after studs in the future. DTF will be hard to out do , there were so many of them and tried. We are small breeder and limited funds so his foals will have to speak for themselves. Proud to say with only his third crop of foals coming into the arena this year he has futurity and open money winners in his first 2 crops. Really reasonable stud fee and pedigree that speaks for itself. Maternal brother to Sugar Moon Express, aka Martha and his sire is own son of Streakin Six , Streak Laico Bird sire of Red Headed Jonsey.
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BHR Frenchies Socks is outstanding, but he is 17 this year so I don't know that he'll be the next DTF.
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Location: lost in missouri | Hotcat your stud is very nice. I was really looking forward to seeing his foal out of Juke Joint Honor. She was a great mare. |
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Location: Loma Linda, CA | Doesn't a smooth guy carry genetic issues?
I wouldn't breed to him for that reason.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Phxbarrel - 2016-01-18 11:45 AM
Doesn't a smooth guy carry genetic issues?
I wouldn't breed to him for that reason.
I'm really gonna be keeping my eye on Feel the Sting.
What he carries is recessive. So test the mare. If she is negative, I see no reason to worry about breeding to him. Nothing he sires o/o a negative mare will be affected. I can think of a lot worse things to worry about. |
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | OregonBR - 2016-01-18 2:23 PM
Phxbarrel - 2016-01-18 11:45 AM
Doesn't a smooth guy carry genetic issues?
I wouldn't breed to him for that reason.
I'm really gonna be keeping my eye on Feel the Sting.
What he carries is recessive. So test the mare. If she is negative, I see no reason to worry about breeding to him. Nothing he sires o/o a negative mare will be affected. I can think of a lot worse things to worry about.
I don't remember much from my biology class... even if his babies out of negative mares weren't affected, would they still be able to pass on the gene and affect future generations? |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Calangelo - 2016-01-19 6:07 AM OregonBR - 2016-01-18 2:23 PM Phxbarrel - 2016-01-18 11:45 AM Doesn't a smooth guy carry genetic issues? I wouldn't breed to him for that reason. I'm really gonna be keeping my eye on Feel the Sting. What he carries is recessive. So test the mare. If she is negative, I see no reason to worry about breeding to him. Nothing he sires o/o a negative mare will be affected. I can think of a lot worse things to worry about. I don't remember much from my biology class... even if his babies out of negative mares weren't affected, would they still be able to pass on the gene and affect future generations?
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Calangelo - 2016-01-19 6:07 AM OregonBR - 2016-01-18 2:23 PM Phxbarrel - 2016-01-18 11:45 AM Doesn't a smooth guy carry genetic issues? I wouldn't breed to him for that reason. I'm really gonna be keeping my eye on Feel the Sting. What he carries is recessive. So test the mare. If she is negative, I see no reason to worry about breeding to him. Nothing he sires o/o a negative mare will be affected. I can think of a lot worse things to worry about. I don't remember much from my biology class... even if his babies out of negative mares weren't affected, would they still be able to pass on the gene and affect future generations?
I have always been interested in this stud but have never heard about him having genetic issues. What does he pass on? |
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Location: TX | Good thread. There are a lot of them I personally like, including some that don't get advertised as much, such as hot cats stud. His babies are nice. Obviously there are studs out there already producing such as mentioned ASOF, BJO, BHR frenchies socks, happy, lions share of fame, Eddie Stinson and several FG, dtf, and FF studs.
I would also like some opinions on some of the studs without many goals in the pen yet. I look to Epic leader, firewater canyon and French streak to Vegas, along with Shawnee bug Leo to be producers just based on the caliber of mares they have been breeding.
What do some of you think about the following as barrel sires?
1. Rex hill, I really like his look-nice dtf stud but interested in others thoughts compared to some other dtf sons out there
2. Wave carver, maybe not a ton in the barrel pen but he is already a proven producer, thoughts?
3. Dashin Dynamo, he's certainly bred to be a sire and should have every opportunity given his connections
4. Thoughts on the new Myers studs this guyz a keeper and the other palomino, can't think of his name right now...
5. I'm thinking some of the corona cartel studs out there (best advice maybe and prime talent?) and tres seis sons (triple vodka comes to mind) will probably produce well, any thoughts?
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-01-19 1:05 PM
RacingQH - 2016-01-19 11:16 AM
Calangelo - 2016-01-19 6:07 AM OregonBR - 2016-01-18 2:23 PM Phxbarrel - 2016-01-18 11:45 AM Doesn't a smooth guy carry genetic issues? I wouldn't breed to him for that reason. I'm really gonna be keeping my eye on Feel the Sting. What he carries is recessive. So test the mare. If she is negative, I see no reason to worry about breeding to him. Nothing he sires o/o a negative mare will be affected. I can think of a lot worse things to worry about. I don't remember much from my biology class... even if his babies out of negative mares weren't affected, would they still be able to pass on the gene and affect future generations?
I have always been interested in this stud but have never heard about him having genetic issues. What does he pass on?
He's o/o a daughter Doc O Lena so he has one copy of HERDA. He also got GBED from his mother. FG has none of the 5 disorders that are testable with DNA.
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Location: TX | Ooh, also interested in opinions on fly the red eye, he's versatile and seems to have a great temperament and so far his babies look nice (though not in the pen yet), what do yall think?
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| Texican - 2016-01-19 3:21 PM
Good thread. There are a lot of them I personally like, including some that don't get advertised as much, such as hot cats stud. His babies are nice. Obviously there are studs out there already producing such as mentioned ASOF, BJO, BHR frenchies socks, happy, lions share of fame, Eddie Stinson and several FG, dtf, and FF studs.
I would also like some opinions on some of the studs without many goals in the pen yet. I look to Epic leader, firewater canyon and French streak to Vegas, along with Shawnee bug Leo to be producers just based on the caliber of mares they have been breeding.
What do some of you think about the following as barrel sires?
1. Rex hill, I really like his look-nice dtf stud but interested in others thoughts compared to some other dtf sons out there
2. Wave carver, maybe not a ton in the barrel pen but he is already a proven producer, thoughts?
3. Dashin Dynamo, he's certainly bred to be a sire and should have every opportunity given his connections
4. Thoughts on the new Myers studs this guyz a keeper and the other palomino, can't think of his name right now...
5. I'm thinking some of the corona cartel studs out there (best advice maybe and prime talent?) and tres seis sons (triple vodka comes to mind) will probably produce well, any thoughts?
The other Myers' stud is Ima Special Kinda Guy (LOVE him!!). FYI- another CC stud is Furyofthewind (I think). |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I've seen Firewater Canyon. He is really nice in person. Look at King of Heart. His pictures do not do him justice. He is unbelievable in person. There's lots of up and comers.....it depends on your mare. I think your mare needs to compliment the sire too. Stoli is very nice too.....he's not a young stud though..... |
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Location: TX | Ah, that's right, Ima special kinda guy. FG is not typically my personal preference but I saw a video of him and love the way he moves. I also like a smooth guy but won't breed to him based on his genetics as discussed earlier, even though it is recessive. There are too many other studs out there that are n/n for all 5 diseases, just my two cents. He is nice though. Anywho, these are some more studs that have a good chance to make names for themselves based on connections, incentives, and breeding etc. |
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| Texican - 2016-01-19 3:21 PM
Good thread. There are a lot of them I personally like, including some that don't get advertised as much, such as hot cats stud. His babies are nice. Obviously there are studs out there already producing such as mentioned ASOF, BJO, BHR frenchies socks, happy, lions share of fame, Eddie Stinson and several FG, dtf, and FF studs.
I would also like some opinions on some of the studs without many goals in the pen yet. I look to Epic leader, firewater canyon and French streak to Vegas, along with Shawnee bug Leo to be producers just based on the caliber of mares they have been breeding.
What do some of you think about the following as barrel sires?
1. Rex hill, I really like his look-nice dtf stud but interested in others thoughts compared to some other dtf sons out there
2. Wave carver, maybe not a ton in the barrel pen but he is already a proven producer, thoughts?
3. Dashin Dynamo, he's certainly bred to be a sire and should have every opportunity given his connections
4. Thoughts on the new Myers studs this guyz a keeper and the other palomino, can't think of his name right now...
5. I'm thinking some of the corona cartel studs out there (best advice maybe and prime talent?) and tres seis sons (triple vodka comes to mind) will probably produce well, any thoughts?
Rex Hill..... That is one fine looking dude...I have been drooling over his looks for a few weeks...Would love to see him in person...he looks like what a quarter horse runner should....that old style quarter horse build, but fast as greased lighting. One of the best in the business bred for horses that looked like this, and looking at his pedigree you can see why he may look like he does as he does come from the lines that the notable breeder was breeding for.
He ran ok on the track, I am going to be anticipating his foals as they start hitting the ground, would like to see how they pan and if they have his looks. |
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Location: Kentucky | Mighty Broke - 2016-01-20 8:40 AM There are so many nice stallions out there to choose from, I have no idea how people can decide.
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| OregonBR - 2016-01-19 3:23 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-01-19 1:05 PM RacingQH - 2016-01-19 11:16 AM Calangelo - 2016-01-19 6:07 AM OregonBR - 2016-01-18 2:23 PM Phxbarrel - 2016-01-18 11:45 AM Doesn't a smooth guy carry genetic issues? I wouldn't breed to him for that reason. I'm really gonna be keeping my eye on Feel the Sting. What he carries is recessive. So test the mare. If she is negative, I see no reason to worry about breeding to him. Nothing he sires o/o a negative mare will be affected. I can think of a lot worse things to worry about. I don't remember much from my biology class... even if his babies out of negative mares weren't affected, would they still be able to pass on the gene and affect future generations? I have always been interested in this stud but have never heard about him having genetic issues. What does he pass on? He's o/o a daughter Doc O Lena so he has one copy of HERDA. He also got GBED from his mother. FG has none of the 5 disorders that are testable with DNA.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | mikesfleet - 2016-01-18 2:09 PM Guys canyon moon frenchmans guy x mulberry canyon moon we are pretty excited about him he's being ridden by jolene Montgomery she won the greg Olsen futurity on his 3/4 brother this weekend and troy placed 4th in the average on another mulberry baby and last year Hallie hanssen won a ton on his full sister mulberry is definitely passing on her genetics and probably the best mare ever crossed on frenchmans guy Ditto on Mulberry! Also crossing great on DTF. :)
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Location: Kansas | I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 9:33 AM
I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
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I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I agree with this statement 110%. I have a son of Letta Hank Do It, he turned 4 as of Jan 1st, he missed the juve because he popped splints. Came back, was getting him ready for Lance Graves, he has injured him self again in the pasture.... if he doesn't start getting with it, he will go under the knife, unfortunately he has the makings to be a great stallion, but it want happen if he can not prove himself, even if the reason is self infliction. I will cry if I geld him, and cry when I sell him, since I don't keep geldings...only time will tell...I'll kick myself in the rear if I geld him and he goes on to be some one's next big thing!!! lol! |
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Location: OH | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 10:33 AM
I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I had no interest in proving my studs in the arena, I went to breeding them as soon as possible in order for their get to prove their worth. If you wait till a stallion is proven to breed him, he will end up being 11-12 years old before his get hit the arena, that is a lot of wasted time and resources. Just my opinion of course---doesn't mean I am right. LOL |
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Location: Kansas | Mighty Broke - 2016-01-20 10:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 10:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I had no interest in proving my studs in the arena, I went to breeding them as soon as possible in order for their get to prove their worth. If you wait till a stallion is proven to breed him, he will end up being 11-12 years old before his get hit the arena, that is a lot of wasted time and resources. Just my opinion of course---doesn't mean I am right. LOL
But your studs have proven themselves in the offspring since then. I would actually breed to either one of your stallions.
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Location: OH | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 11:34 AM
Mighty Broke - 2016-01-20 10:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 10:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I had no interest in proving my studs in the arena, I went to breeding them as soon as possible in order for their get to prove their worth. If you wait till a stallion is proven to breed him, he will end up being 11-12 years old before his get hit the arena, that is a lot of wasted time and resources. Just my opinion of course---doesn't mean I am right. LOL
Well thank you very much. You just made my point for me. LOL. Their get have already been out there winning for a couple years now and the one stallion is just now 9. Granted, I had my own set of broodmares to put under them and did not have to worry about attracting outside mares---this was probably key. |
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Location: Kentucky | Warriors Mom - 2016-01-20 11:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 9:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I agree with this statement 110%. I have a son of Letta Hank Do It, he turned 4 as of Jan 1st, he missed the juve because he popped splints. Came back, was getting him ready for Lance Graves, he has injured him self again in the pasture.... if he doesn't start getting with it, he will go under the knife, unfortunately he has the makings to be a great stallion, but it want happen if he can not prove himself, even if the reason is self infliction. I will cry if I geld him, and cry when I sell him, since I don't keep geldings...only time will tell...I'll kick myself in the rear if I geld him and he goes on to be some one's next big thing!!! lol!
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I think Aint Seen Nothin Yet's foals are gorgeous conformationally.
We bred a mare to French Streaktovegas in 2014 and she is hands down the nicest baby we have had hit the ground so far. We have a Firewaterontherocks baby coming in April and are really excited to see what we get. :)
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Location: Too far from home | Mighty Broke - 2016-01-20 10:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 10:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I had no interest in proving my studs in the arena, I went to breeding them as soon as possible in order for their get to prove their worth. If you wait till a stallion is proven to breed him, he will end up being 11-12 years old before his get hit the arena, that is a lot of wasted time and resources. Just my opinion of course---doesn't mean I am right. LOL
Understandable, but I think the OP was pointing out that at $1200 she/he would breed to something that had already proven himself either as a sire or as a performance horse. I agree with her. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | crazy&lazy - 2016-01-20 11:50 AM
Mighty Broke - 2016-01-20 10:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 10:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I had no interest in proving my studs in the arena, I went to breeding them as soon as possible in order for their get to prove their worth. If you wait till a stallion is proven to breed him, he will end up being 11-12 years old before his get hit the arena, that is a lot of wasted time and resources. Just my opinion of course---doesn't mean I am right. LOL
I have to disagree too. Some people have several mares and are willing to prove their studs mainly using their own stock but if you want to have a big national following and book performance is really important. I will probably give some free breedings to excellent mares once he is 3/4. But he would not stand until 6/7. By then those babies would just be getting ready to perform. Epic Leader booked full his first year and did NOT stand for pennies. I think there is much more to be made and nicer mares to get lined up if they perform. It may involve a little more up front investment but will make the stud more desirable to mare owners long term. You also have to do something to stand out; performance of certain types will allow for this. |
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Location: TX | I agree that Royal and famous will be one to watch as a sire especially given his maternal side.
I think there's a fine balance between breeding a stallion early and waiting until they are proven. Since Epic leader was mentioned, he already has a few babies that are doing pretty well in the pen at the futurities because they bred him early, but they also proved he could perform as well, which I think helped him a lot that first year standing to the public. Was he booked full last year and did they raise his fee to 4500, then lower it back to 3500? Just curious.
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Location: OH | oija - 2016-01-20 1:01 PM crazy&lazy - 2016-01-20 11:50 AM Mighty Broke - 2016-01-20 10:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 10:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I had no interest in proving my studs in the arena, I went to breeding them as soon as possible in order for their get to prove their worth. If you wait till a stallion is proven to breed him, he will end up being 11-12 years old before his get hit the arena, that is a lot of wasted time and resources. Just my opinion of course---doesn't mean I am right. LOL I have to disagree too. Some people have several mares and are willing to prove their studs mainly using their own stock but if you want to have a big national following and book performance is really important. I will probably give some free breedings to excellent mares once he is 3/4. But he would not stand until 6/7. By then those babies would just be getting ready to perform. Epic Leader booked full his first year and did NOT stand for pennies. I think there is much more to be made and nicer mares to get lined up if they perform. It may involve a little more up front investment but will make the stud more desirable to mare owners long term. You also have to do something to stand out; performance of certain types will allow for this.
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Warriors Mom - 2016-01-20 11:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 9:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I agree with this statement 110%. I have a son of Letta Hank Do It, he turned 4 as of Jan 1st, he missed the juve because he popped splints. Came back, was getting him ready for Lance Graves, he has injured him self again in the pasture.... if he doesn't start getting with it, he will go under the knife, unfortunately he has the makings to be a great stallion, but it want happen if he can not prove himself, even if the reason is self infliction. I will cry if I geld him, and cry when I sell him, since I don't keep geldings...only time will tell...I'll kick myself in the rear if I geld him and he goes on to be some one's next big thing!!! lol!
Have you heard of Hanky Panky Perks? I have a friend that bred to him last year. |
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Warriors Mom - 2016-01-20 11:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 9:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I agree with this statement 110%. I have a son of Letta Hank Do It, he turned 4 as of Jan 1st, he missed the juve because he popped splints. Came back, was getting him ready for Lance Graves, he has injured him self again in the pasture.... if he doesn't start getting with it, he will go under the knife, unfortunately he has the makings to be a great stallion, but it want happen if he can not prove himself, even if the reason is self infliction. I will cry if I geld him, and cry when I sell him, since I don't keep geldings...only time will tell...I'll kick myself in the rear if I geld him and he goes on to be some one's next big thing!!! lol!
Have you heard of Hanky Panky Perks? I have a friend that bred to him last year.
He's a stunner, and for sale. ;) |
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I can personally vouch for Reds Western Native. I am proud to say I own one that has had just 4 months of riding his entire life. He's 2 coming 3 and just automatically a natural barrel horse. They are phenomenal, beyond belief great!
i was curious and computed percentages of get entered and top placers at one of the big futurities and he is one of the few at the very top.
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Location: Missouri | What about Darkelly?
Offspring earnings over $400k.
Plus he's beautiful, his website is way cool, and there's that one horse called Kellies Chick...
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| just4fun - 2016-01-20 8:04 PM What about Darkelly?
Offspring earnings over $400k.
Plus he's beautiful, his website is way cool, and there's that one horse called Kellies Chick...
Darkelly is already older. I believe he is 22. Although he has had some standout babies the majority have won very little. |
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Location: TX | Yeah, that's what I was saying about some of the "less well known" (by some) studs. What were some of the percentages on other stallions you figured out if you don't mind sharing ? I'm not surprised at all about Native, honestly not sure what keeps that stud local other than maybe his more limited advertising campaign. His babies are certainly performers, he is also getting on up there in age too though I think. |
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Location: Texas | http://youtu.be/_kNaAzxr59E
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/heavenly+firewater
http://youtu.be/rh6nQ9mGcD8
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/royal+and+famous2
Two that I think have what it takes in the arena and gentitically.
Several good ones producing now as well
Famous Bugs
Firewaterontherocks
Blazin Jetolena
Eddie Stinson
JL Dash Ta Heaven
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Location: Kentucky | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-01-20 9:20 PM Longneck - 2016-01-20 4:00 PM Murphy - 2016-01-20 10:41 AM Warriors Mom - 2016-01-20 11:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 9:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I agree with this statement 110%. I have a son of Letta Hank Do It, he turned 4 as of Jan 1st, he missed the juve because he popped splints. Came back, was getting him ready for Lance Graves, he has injured him self again in the pasture.... if he doesn't start getting with it, he will go under the knife, unfortunately he has the makings to be a great stallion, but it want happen if he can not prove himself, even if the reason is self infliction. I will cry if I geld him, and cry when I sell him, since I don't keep geldings...only time will tell...I'll kick myself in the rear if I geld him and he goes on to be some one's next big thing!!! lol! Have you heard of Hanky Panky Perks? I have a friend that bred to him last year. He's a stunner, and for sale. ; )
I know - wish I could keep a stud! |
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I was really impressed with the JL Dash Ta Heavens at the BFA. They seem to have a really cool style and defintely made a name for themselves! |
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Location: Keeping up with the numbers! | I have to agree with Firewater Ta Fame. I have had two and Shelly Martin is one of the nicest owners to have ever worked with!!!! |
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Location: Texas | RHRanch - 2016-01-21 9:17 AM
I was really impressed with the JL Dash Ta Heavens at the BFA. They seem to have a really cool style and defintely made a name for themselves!
They are super nice. The stallion I'm riding is out of Firewater Fanny a producer. JL DTH will not be standing to the public after 2016 so I think it will be an opportunity for on of his sons to shine as a sure with his great bloodlines. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Whiteboy - 2016-01-20 7:10 AM
OregonBR - 2016-01-19 3:23 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-01-19 1:05 PM RacingQH - 2016-01-19 11:16 AM Calangelo - 2016-01-19 6:07 AM OregonBR - 2016-01-18 2:23 PM Phxbarrel - 2016-01-18 11:45 AM Doesn't a smooth guy carry genetic issues? I wouldn't breed to him for that reason. I'm really gonna be keeping my eye on Feel the Sting. What he carries is recessive. So test the mare. If she is negative, I see no reason to worry about breeding to him. Nothing he sires o/o a negative mare will be affected. I can think of a lot worse things to worry about. I don't remember much from my biology class... even if his babies out of negative mares weren't affected, would they still be able to pass on the gene and affect future generations? I have always been interested in this stud but have never heard about him having genetic issues. What does he pass on? He's o/o a daughter Doc O Lena so he has one copy of HERDA. He also got GBED from his mother. FG has none of the 5 disorders that are testable with DNA.
Yep. I saw Poco Lena and Doc Bar and had a brain fart. Both Dry Doc and Doc O Lena got HERDA from Poco Lena. I'm not sure where GBED came from. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Well and actually, Nonestop Firewater has very few foals and has a average earnings per performer of $40,000 and 2 have gone to the NFR. |
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Location: TX | Nonstop firewater is a good one too. Recently lost a nonstop jet mare unfortunately. I had crossed her on a FWF son, was a nice baby. Love that NSJ/FF cross |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Texican - 2016-01-21 5:17 PM
Nonstop firewater is a good one too. Recently lost a nonstop jet mare unfortunately. I had crossed her on a FWF son, was a nice baby. Love that NSJ/FF cross
He's a 1997. Is he still alive and shipping semen? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | OregonBR - 2016-01-22 12:30 PM Texican - 2016-01-21 5:17 PM Nonstop firewater is a good one too. Recently lost a nonstop jet mare unfortunately. I had crossed her on a FWF son, was a nice baby. Love that NSJ/FF cross He's a 1997. Is he still alive and shipping semen?
He's 19 now and very much still alive. To bad he's been under-promoted because he has very few foals, most out of their own few mares and his foals are super nice! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | When I think of the "next big stud" a 19 year old is not what I think of. Just sayin' |
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Location: Indiana | Nonstop Firewater is still alive. He stands at Southern Indiana Equine.
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | Honestly super surprised that only 1 person said slick by design. His oldest is only 3 but the video i saw was super ncie and smooth and working nice. I like him a LOT I think he'll get a big name under him. he certainly has the stats and the owners to promote him. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | OregonBR - 2016-01-23 5:00 PM When I think of the "next big stud" a 19 year old is not what I think of. Just sayin'
No, your right and I dont either. However, I added him to this conversation because his record as a sire is phenominal. Especially givin how few foals he has. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Around 2005 I said I thought Chasin Firewater would be one of the greats.
My next prediction is Triple Vodka. He is all that and a bag of chips.
I also said that Dash Ta Fame and FWF would be the dream cross and seems they are also proving me right. I have always really liked FireWater Ta Fame. He has some amazing performers in the barrel pen.
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Location: Lost in a sea of horses | What about Streakin ta Fame?? Thoughts. .. |
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Location: So. California | Are you talking about new lines or sons of current popular lines?
What new line do you all think will be the up and coming producer?
I wish someone would import one (several?) of those sons of the hot Brazilian stallion, El Shady Zorrero. Could be interesting... |
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| Anyone have any opinions on A Dash Ta Streak? We bred my mare, who is Matts King, Sugar King Chex & Shawnee Bug bred, to A Streak of Fling last year. She is do for a late February foal. We are looking to breed her back to a really nice stallion but can't afford the high price stud fees this year. Since he is by A Streak of Fling & Out of a Dash Ta Fame mare, thought I could sorta get a little best of both worlds. I was told he is currently in training with Ryan Pedone. He is only a six year old & I believe his oldest foal crop is yearlings. |
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Location: Indiana | Nonstop Firewater is alive and is also being promoted. Check him out on Facebook and Southern Indiana Equine |
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Location: Where I am happiest | sjoyner - 2016-01-24 2:37 PM Anyone have any opinions on A Dash Ta Streak? We bred my mare, who is Matts King, Sugar King Chex & Shawnee Bug bred, to A Streak of Fling last year. She is do for a late February foal. We are looking to breed her back to a really nice stallion but can't afford the high price stud fees this year. Since he is by A Streak of Fling & Out of a Dash Ta Fame mare, thought I could sorta get a little best of both worlds. I was told he is currently in training with Ryan Pedone. He is only a six year old & I believe his oldest foal crop is yearlings.
We have a mare in foal to him due this spring. There are also a couple other board members here who have bred to him and 1 has a couple foals born last year by him. |
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TOMAHAWK N FIREWATER
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Location: somewhere up north | My opinion is that I don't think there will be another as big as Dash Ta Fame because there are 8 million stallions out there now and several that are out of FANTASTIC mares too. How does a person even chose!?!? How many studs are standing by Mulberry Canyon Moon, PC Frenchmans Flirt, Firewater Fiesta, etc. Then look at the number of Frenchmans Guy stallions out of Dash Ta Fame mares. Now several stallions by A Streak of Fling. There are a TON of stallions and I think you will see a smaller number of foals winning by each one than in the past because of this. I am sure glad I don't have a bunch of mares to breed because my head is spinning just looking at what's out there. WOW! |
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Location: TEXAS | SLICK BY DESIGN--- all time leading barrel horse stallion. His oldest colt is coming 3, and has the coolest move, I've ever seen. All his babies I've seen are built awesome, and have the best attitudes.
Also watch for FEEL THE STING--- Dash Ta Fame x Stingray, super pretty colt, and can't go wrong on the bloodlines.
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Location: Texas | Texican - 2016-01-20 12:12 PM I agree that Royal and famous will be one to watch as a sire especially given his maternal side. I think there's a fine balance between breeding a stallion early and waiting until they are proven. Since Epic leader was mentioned, he already has a few babies that are doing pretty well in the pen at the futurities because they bred him early, but they also proved he could perform as well, which I think helped him a lot that first year standing to the public. Was he booked full last year and did they raise his fee to 4500, then lower it back to 3500? Just curious.
they lower Epic's stud fee to $3500 to mares that come to him at the "breeding farm". Cooled semen is $4500. |
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Location: Texas | Texican - 2016-01-20 12:12 PM
I agree that Royal and famous will be one to watch as a sire especially given his maternal side.
I think there's a fine balance between breeding a stallion early and waiting until they are proven. Since Epic leader was mentioned, he already has a few babies that are doing pretty well in the pen at the futurities because they bred him early, but they also proved he could perform as well, which I think helped him a lot that first year standing to the public. Was he booked full last year and did they raise his fee to 4500, then lower it back to 3500? Just curious.
Thank you  I worked hard to get him to where he is! I think he will be a standout! Fastest time of the BFA Derby finals against some of the very best! Two videos.
http://youtu.be/rh6nQ9mGcD8
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/royal+and+famous2
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Texican - 2016-01-20 12:12 PM
I agree that Royal and famous will be one to watch as a sire especially given his maternal side.
I think there's a fine balance between breeding a stallion early and waiting until they are proven. Since Epic leader was mentioned, he already has a few babies that are doing pretty well in the pen at the futurities because they bred him early, but they also proved he could perform as well, which I think helped him a lot that first year standing to the public. Was he booked full last year and did they raise his fee to 4500, then lower it back to 3500? Just curious.
Thank you I worked hard to get him to where he is! I think he will be a standout! Fastest time of the BFA Derby finals against some of the very best! Two videos.
http://youtu.be/rh6nQ9mGcD8
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/royal+and+famous2
You certainly did an admirable job with him, Molli!
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| chasincansMN - 2016-01-25 11:30 AM My opinion is that I don't think there will be another as big as Dash Ta Fame because there are 8 million stallions out there now and several that are out of FANTASTIC mares too. How does a person even chose!?!? How many studs are standing by Mulberry Canyon Moon, PC Frenchmans Flirt, Firewater Fiesta, etc. Then look at the number of Frenchmans Guy stallions out of Dash Ta Fame mares. Now several stallions by A Streak of Fling. There are a TON of stallions and I think you will see a smaller number of foals winning by each one than in the past because of this. I am sure glad I don't have a bunch of mares to breed because my head is spinning just looking at what's out there. WOW!
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| mollibtexan - 2016-01-28 12:11 AM Texican - 2016-01-20 12:12 PM I agree that Royal and famous will be one to watch as a sire especially given his maternal side. I think there's a fine balance between breeding a stallion early and waiting until they are proven. Since Epic leader was mentioned, he already has a few babies that are doing pretty well in the pen at the futurities because they bred him early, but they also proved he could perform as well, which I think helped him a lot that first year standing to the public. Was he booked full last year and did they raise his fee to 4500, then lower it back to 3500? Just curious. Thank you I worked hard to get him to where he is! I think he will be a standout! Fastest time of the BFA Derby finals against some of the very best! Two videos. http://youtu.be/rh6nQ9mGcD8 http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/royal+and+famous2
WOW.. You just made me do a double take! Might be a dangerous cross on my FWF daughter. :) |
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Location: OH | Slick By Design is a GREAT GREAT animal----I just wonder whether he has a strong enough bottom side to be a great sire. Time will tell, he sure is fun to watch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: So. California | Blazing Jetolena
Slick By Design
And one of the Corona Cartel sons, one (or two) will rise to the top in the BR arena.
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Location: Duvall, WA | Based on the results of the Jud Little sale, I'm guessing a number of the futurity trainers are thinking JL Dash ta Heaven is it. His first futurity colts certainly have done well. Hard to beat a World Champion momma x DTF. |
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Location: Texas | NipntuckLR - 2016-01-28 8:10 PM
Based on the results of the Jud Little sale, I'm guessing a number of the futurity trainers are thinking JL Dash ta Heaven is it. His first futurity colts certainly have done well. Hard to beat a World Champion momma x DTF.
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Location: Texas | mollibtexan - 2016-01-28 8:32 PM
NipntuckLR - 2016-01-28 8:10 PM
Based on the results of the Jud Little sale, I'm guessing a number of the futurity trainers are thinking JL Dash ta Heaven is it. His first futurity colts certainly have done well. Hard to beat a World Champion momma x DTF.
I don't consider him the next up and coming stud.....I think he is already a big deal
I definately have a Heaven problem! |
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Location: Duvall, WA | mollibtexan - 2016-01-28 6:33 PM
mollibtexan - 2016-01-28 8:32 PM
NipntuckLR - 2016-01-28 8:10 PM
Based on the results of the Jud Little sale, I'm guessing a number of the futurity trainers are thinking JL Dash ta Heaven is it. His first futurity colts certainly have done well. Hard to beat a World Champion momma x DTF.
I don't consider him the next up and coming stud.....I think he is already a big deal
I definately have a Heaven problem!
So obviously they are fast and talented, but what are they like to train? Personalities at home? I'd love to have a Heaven problem in my pasture. . . ;-) |
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Who's the next big upcoming studs !!