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| Looking for some saddle recommendations for my 4 year old. I believe he has a pretty flat back (someone correct me if I'm wrong) as my Crown C rocks pretty bad and pops up in the back - I've been shimming it and it's been better but don't want to have to do that. Suggestions appreciated!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WiscoRacer - 2016-01-19 8:35 PM Looking for some saddle recommendations for my 4 year old. I believe he has a pretty flat back (someone correct me if I'm wrong) as my Crown C rocks pretty bad and pops up in the back - I've been shimming it and it's been better but don't want to have to do that. Suggestions appreciated!
What the gullet on your Crown C? |
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| The crown c you will need to get a flat bar.
I have custom ordered 2 crown c's with flat bars and no more rock |
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| Gullet is 8" - I thought about trying the flat bar but was thinking of just trying a different saddle completely. I have issues with it rubbing my knees. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I have a gelding thats built pretty much like your's, he's got nice withers but a bit narrow threw the shoulders and a nice flat back and I have my Crown C on him its a standard tree with a 3/4 5 Star pad and it fits him pretty darn nice it sits nice threw his back and I dont shim at all. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-01-19 9:05 PM
I have a gelding thats built pretty much like your's, he's got nice withers but a bit narrow threw the shoulders and a nice flat back and I have my Crown C on him its a standard tree with a 3/4 5 Star pad and it fits him pretty darn nice it sits nice threw his back and I dont shim at all.
That's what I have is a 3/4" 5 Star on him. I'm not so sure making it an inch smaller up front would really help because it's the rock that's the problem but I can try it! |
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Location: Southern Indiana | His back really isn't flat, he's got a decent wither. Your saddle could be rocking because the gullet is too big and a combination of the tree having too much rock. I don't own any martins and don't really believe in their fitting philosophy. I would probably try something with a standard gullet. He doesn't look super wide in the pics, but it's hard to tell unless your in person. Personally, I am a double j fan. My suggestion would be to just find something you think you'd like and try it.
It also looks like your saddle may be too far forward as well. I'd slide it back a couple inches. |
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Location: NE Texas | Martee Pruitt has a short go saddle that I would own if it were a half inch bigger for this specific reason! |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Tod Sloan B3 tree fit my flat backed mare best, you may try a Martha Wright also. |
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| I have a 4 yr old built similar and was having trouble finding a saddle to fit him. I just bought a Tammy Fischer wide, I've only had about 5 rides in it and there's quite a bit of snow here so I haven't been able to test it really well, but he seems to be quite happy in it so far, not acting out while saddling or refusing to go down hills like he was with my Charmayne, Not sure how I feel about treeless, I've read good and bad, but knowing that he is going to continue to change for a couple more years, I'm hoping it will get him through until he's done growing. It is a little deeper than I like and the horn is quite tall, but I like it more every time I ride it. If it works out for him I might look for a Jackie Jatzlau instead to give me a little more freedom... |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Try the Caldwell Promax. Is the horse sporting a Hi/low syndrome? It looks possible to me by the over the top picture. Fix is neccesary if that is the case, for any saddle. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Looks like you need a built up pad with the wither cut out. Yes there is such a thing.Big horn and Billy Cook (sulphur Ok.) Make and a few others no shim necessary. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Looks like you need a built up pad with the wither cut out. Yes there is such a thing.Big horn and Billy Cook (sulphur Ok.) Make and a few others no shim necessary. |
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Caldwell Pro racer, or Pro max
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| Hard to tell in pics, if he really is wide I suggest a wide fit double j, if he's not that wide a standard tree double j may work too. He looks similar to my horses for a side profile, and I have both trees, the wide I use on my gelding as he is thicker in the shoulder and a little flatter threw his back |
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Location: Valley City,ND | Caldwell ProMax or Maxxed Out. Charon has an excellent video on her website explaining the trees. I do have a Maxxed Out for sale on this website.
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Location: East Texas | Jdpb - 2016-01-20 11:15 AM Hard to tell in pics, if he really is wide I suggest a wide fit double j, if he's not that wide a standard tree double j may work too. He looks similar to my horses for a side profile, and I have both trees, the wide I use on my gelding as he is thicker in the shoulder and a little flatter threw his back
I agree. I have two very wide and flat backed horses. I have a Lynn Mckenzie wide and a pozzi wide and they both fit great! I tried a crown c and had the exact issue you are having. |
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| I wish that there was an easier way to try some of these saddles. I have a mare that is wider and flatter than the OP's and is very short backed to boot. Am having a hard time fitting her and around this area I haven't been able to find someone with any of these saddles to try on her.
I did try a Caldwell on another big mare that may have fit better but hurt the crap out of my back, so add to the equation a bad lower back that does not get along with a deep seat or high cantle. Sigh..... |
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Location: never in the right place | a Circle Y Kelly Kaminski Studded Croc Wide Treee fit my wide flat backed horse. but he has a low wither |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2016-01-20 4:24 AM
Try the Caldwell Promax. Is the horse sporting a Hi/low syndrome? It looks possible to me by the over the top picture. Fix is neccesary if that is the case, for any saddle.
Nope, angles are the same. He has good feet but is standing funny. He's also not as downhill as this picture makes it look - the wash racks run forward for the drains. |
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| TheDutchMan01 - 2016-01-19 9:28 PM
His back really isn't flat, he's got a decent wither. Your saddle could be rocking because the gullet is too big and a combination of the tree having too much rock. I don't own any martins and don't really believe in their fitting philosophy. I would probably try something with a standard gullet. He doesn't look super wide in the pics, but it's hard to tell unless your in person. Personally, I am a double j fan. My suggestion would be to just find something you think you'd like and try it.
It also looks like your saddle may be too far forward as well. I'd slide it back a couple inches.
He does have a good wither - I wasn't sure why it was rocking (so just assumed maybe his back was more flat than I thought), this didn't happen nearly as bad on my other horse that I originally bought the Martin for. I had a DJ Lynn Mckenzie awhile back and loved it so maybe I'll go looking for one of those again. It's so hard trying to find saddles to try out! Was also looking at a Tami Semas - anyone have experience with those? |
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Location: Iowa | The martin has to sit off the shoulders, it may just be the picture angle, but needs to go back farther. I use a Pro max now. PSC also has a good saddle with flat bars. |
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| quickdraw - 2016-01-20 2:34 PM
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Are all coats trees the same? Sorry - I know they're nice saddles but that's about all I know about them. |
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| memory - 2016-01-20 2:07 PM
The martin has to sit off the shoulders, it may just be the picture angle, but needs to go back farther. I use a Pro max now. PSC also has a good saddle with flat bars.
I wish I had a better pic to show how it's sitting. I know that's their philosophy so I've been putting it further back but that pic was taken after our ride so if it's too far forward, that's where it's settling which tells me it's not fitting right. I'll look into the PSC - thanks! |
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| WiscoRacer - 2016-01-20 3:03 PM
memory - 2016-01-20 2:07 PM
The martin has to sit off the shoulders, it may just be the picture angle, but needs to go back farther. I use a Pro max now. PSC also has a good saddle with flat bars.
I wish I had a better pic to show how it's sitting. I know that's their philosophy so I've been putting it further back but that pic was taken after our ride so if it's too far forward, that's where it's settling which tells me it's not fitting right. I'll look into the PSC - thanks!
Your I skirt riggin is set as far back as possible, this is to make the saddle sit ON the shoulders.
Martin designed their rigging so the people who don't buy into their philosophy can still buy their saddles and put it on the shoulder.
To have the saddle move back move the riggin to the front, this is what Brian and Tracy told me.
I ride all my horses who wear crown c saddles with the riggin all the way to the front, have never had a saddle slide forward |
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Location: Where I am happiest | We have 3 flater backed horses and my Caldwell Pro Max is the only saddle that trully fits them. We sold the coats because it didnt fit and we have 2 martins with different gullet sizes but neither of them really fits these 3 at all. |
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The martin has to sit off the shoulders, it may just be the picture angle, but needs to go back farther. I use a Pro max now. PSC also has a good saddle with flat bars.
I wish I had a better pic to show how it's sitting. I know that's their philosophy so I've been putting it further back but that pic was taken after our ride so if it's too far forward, that's where it's settling which tells me it's not fitting right. I'll look into the PSC - thanks!
Your I skirt riggin is set as far back as possible, this is to make the saddle sit ON the shoulders.
Martin designed their rigging so the people who don't buy into their philosophy can still buy their saddles and put it on the shoulder.
To have the saddle move back move the riggin to the front, this is what Brian and Tracy told me.
I ride all my horses who wear crown c saddles with the riggin all the way to the front, have never had a saddle slide forward
I get what you're saying and I'll try it, but wouldn't moving the rigging to the front and tightening down make it pop up in the back, especially if it's already rocking and popping up? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WiscoRacer - 2016-01-21 1:36 PM cheryl makofka - 2016-01-20 5:35 PM WiscoRacer - 2016-01-20 3:03 PM memory - 2016-01-20 2:07 PM The martin has to sit off the shoulders, it may just be the picture angle, but needs to go back farther. I use a Pro max now. PSC also has a good saddle with flat bars. I wish I had a better pic to show how it's sitting. I know that's their philosophy so I've been putting it further back but that pic was taken after our ride so if it's too far forward, that's where it's settling which tells me it's not fitting right. I'll look into the PSC - thanks! Your I skirt riggin is set as far back as possible, this is to make the saddle sit ON the shoulders. Martin designed their rigging so the people who don't buy into their philosophy can still buy their saddles and put it on the shoulder. To have the saddle move back move the riggin to the front, this is what Brian and Tracy told me. I ride all my horses who wear crown c saddles with the riggin all the way to the front, have never had a saddle slide forward I get what you're saying and I'll try it, but wouldn't moving the rigging to the front and tightening down make it pop up in the back, especially if it's already rocking and popping up?
On my Crown C I have the rigging set in the middle.
I'm thinking your saddle may be to wide. Have you tryed a standard tree on your hoprse? |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-01-21 1:40 PM
WiscoRacer - 2016-01-21 1:36 PM cheryl makofka - 2016-01-20 5:35 PM WiscoRacer - 2016-01-20 3:03 PM memory - 2016-01-20 2:07 PM The martin has to sit off the shoulders, it may just be the picture angle, but needs to go back farther. I use a Pro max now. PSC also has a good saddle with flat bars. I wish I had a better pic to show how it's sitting. I know that's their philosophy so I've been putting it further back but that pic was taken after our ride so if it's too far forward, that's where it's settling which tells me it's not fitting right. I'll look into the PSC - thanks! Your I skirt riggin is set as far back as possible, this is to make the saddle sit ON the shoulders. Martin designed their rigging so the people who don't buy into their philosophy can still buy their saddles and put it on the shoulder. To have the saddle move back move the riggin to the front, this is what Brian and Tracy told me. I ride all my horses who wear crown c saddles with the riggin all the way to the front, have never had a saddle slide forward I get what you're saying and I'll try it, but wouldn't moving the rigging to the front and tightening down make it pop up in the back, especially if it's already rocking and popping up?
I'm thinking your saddle may be to wide. Have you tryed a standard tree on your hoprse?
Nope I haven't yet - don't have access to one. I'll look around though - have more pictures from today to post just need to resize them. :) |
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| First picture is from today before we rode and second picture is after we rode so you can see the saddle settled some, but is still popping up in the back.
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Location: Southern Indiana | WiscoRacer - 2016-01-20 2:03 PM
TheDutchMan01 - 2016-01-19 9:28 PM
His back really isn't flat, he's got a decent wither. Your saddle could be rocking because the gullet is too big and a combination of the tree having too much rock. I don't own any martins and don't really believe in their fitting philosophy. I would probably try something with a standard gullet. He doesn't look super wide in the pics, but it's hard to tell unless your in person. Personally, I am a double j fan. My suggestion would be to just find something you think you'd like and try it.
It also looks like your saddle may be too far forward as well. I'd slide it back a couple inches.
He does have a good wither - I wasn't sure why it was rocking (so just assumed maybe his back was more flat than I thought ), this didn't happen nearly as bad on my other horse that I originally bought the Martin for. I had a DJ Lynn Mckenzie awhile back and loved it so maybe I'll go looking for one of those again. It's so hard trying to find saddles to try out! Was also looking at a Tami Semas - anyone have experience with those?
Ya his actually back doesn't have too much contour but he has a wither, so I wouldn't consider him flat. I really like the trees in double j's. I wanted a Tami, but ended up with another pozzi but in a wide tree and I'm glad I did. I'm not sure if the Tami wide would have been wide enough as its only a 6 3/4" gullet. I've read nothing but good things about them though. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Heres my boy the day I brought him home, his mommy is Thoroughbred and his daddy is Leaving Memories, and my standard tree Crown C fits him really good with a 3/4 pad.. Hes got a nice set of withers but kinda narrow threw the shoulders but has a nice flat back now, he has put on weight since this picture. But I really like how the C sits on him.
edit to add: I keep resizing my picture and it just keeps getting smaller, befor long you wont beable to see it,, but its saying to big, lol
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I love my Double J's but they just didnt fit this one horse well at all. |
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