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(Let me bring up that I was right that they'd bring up Cruz's eligability and you thought I was wrong)
(When you tried to convice me Palin was irrelevant and I scuffed I was right because her endorsement is still making news)
But again, NOT what I'm here to say because what I have to say is much worse.
When Palin endorsed Trump I was floored. Not because she agrees with him but because that's not her M.O. Love her, hate her...I don't care anymore, I've moved on...BUT one little thing is bothering me and I can't get any work done...
Sarah is awfully good at at reading tea leaves. I think her endorsement is a sure sign she feels the party is going to split.
Yep. Right. In. Half.
I think she believes Trump will not get the GOP nod because they are all going to whine and cry and break some rules. And if he DOES, then some other schmuck is going to run third party...doesn't matter how you slice it, she is afraid of this split happening so she added her name to the Trump bandwagon as warning to those evangelical and TEA voters just where their loyalty needs to be when this catastrophic thing takes place.
This doesn't mean that Trump will win in this scenario, likely it hands things over to Billary. It does mean that Sarah knows that that GOP is a rotted party full of men in the trenches that don't want to let go of Mr. Establishment and would rather chew off it's own leg then let Trump win the nod.
This is just her wake up call for everyone to stay the course because politics is about to take 'dirty' to a whole new level.
Aren't you glad I'm back talking politics? NO? Awe,that hurts. 
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Location: Montana | I thought about Cruz's eligibility clear back last year. I'm also surprised at Palin endorsing trump, but her no-show at Iowa has me somewhat surprised as well. It is going to be an interesting election... |
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| mtcanchazer - 2016-01-22 11:56 AM I thought about Cruz's eligibility clear back last year. I'm also surprised at Palin endorsing trump, but her no-show at Iowa has me somewhat surprised as well. It is going to be an interesting election...
I believe she is stumping for him in Okalahoma. As much as she respects Cruz, he can't beat whomever the Dems nominate. |
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Location: Kansas | I don't think a party split is all the problem. Our country is overflowing with illegals who will get to vote, and because of entitlements, voting with Democrats is the huge problem. Republicans are working to stop Syrian and Iraqi refugees from entering the U.S. and the Dems are firmly standing in the way, even given the havoc these refugee "men" are causing in Europe. There could be only one reason.
There should be more political threads. Too many people have no clue what's happening in this country.
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| Frodo - 2016-01-22 12:10 PM I don't think a party split is all the problem. I think our country overflowing with illegals who will get to vote, and because of entitlements, vote with Democrats is the huge problem. Republicans are working to stop Syrian and Iraqi refugees from entering the U.S. and the Dems are firmly standing in the way, even given the havoc these refugee "men" are causing in Europe. There could be only one reason.
I think there should be more political threads. Too many people have no clue what's happening in this country.
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Location: Oregon | Trump is the only candidate with a chance at beating Billary. And if the GOP splits off there goes that chance, and we'll be stuck with her. Palin's endorsement will hurt, not help Trump - he needs to not align himself with her. The evangical and tea candidates ARE NOT ELECTABLE, so those factions need to vote for Trump or force us to endure 4 or 8 more years of garbage. |
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Location: Oregon | I am not a Trump fan but I'm voting for him because I think he's the only one with the guns to beat Hilary. Why anyone would vote for her is beyond me but it's gonna happen. I am encouraging all democrats I know to vote for Bernie. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | fatchance - 2016-01-21 2:19 PM
She will be the death of Trump.
I was thinking the same thing. I'm a Trump fan, not because I think he will make the best possible president but because I believe he is the only candidate out there that has a chance of fixing a 19 trillion dollar debt. This woman might have just killed any chance he had of winning and I'm thinking someone put her up to it for that reason.
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Location: Montana | fatchance - 2016-01-21 1:19 PM She will be the death of Trump. Agree.
Let's, just for argument sake, without getting nasty or getting the thread zapped, say that Hillary is our best choice...on the Democrat's side of course. Considering what we know about both sides, Trump's and Hillary's, even without a party split by the Republican's, I feel like Hillary has the better resources and ability to be voted in as the next President.
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1st. While the Democrat's side is by no means popular, the majority of the under income, illegals, legal but under privileged, are more likely to vote for the supposed liberality of the Democrats's, and in this case Hillary. In other words, at the current economy, the majority of the nation would rather vote for the liberality of the Democrat's. Unlike the Senate, the national vote doesn't require a 2/3rds decision. So if it is anything on the majority, they win. Who knows what the electoral college will do.
2nd. Hillary would be the first woman President, should she win. For some people, that is more important than politics. If you look at history, without sounding biased or racist or sexist (remember I'm a woman) you will notice that African Americans had privileges before women did: the right to vote one of them. So as order of events should go, we have already had an African American as President, so we'll likely have a woman for President next. Also, a large majority of the vote will be woman (let's say 50% of the vote, again for arguments sake), and many (not all) will side with her for that reason.
3rd. Hillary has been through this before...with Bill. She knows the in's, the out's, the up's, the down's. She would know more ways on how to achieve what she wants and get more votes. She hasn't figured it all out yet, but how much of a better teacher could there be than a President that has served two terms, with an impeachment (although not allowed to stand), and knows more ways to get the public. Bill has a legacy that people either like or hate, and part of that will also follow Hillary around.
Also, a little sidenote, the Democrat side is currently the oldest political party in the country, with the first full Democrat President being Andrew Jackson, while we've actually had more Republican Presidents.
But, if you would like a better insight into politics, I would recommend reading Advise and Consent by Allen Drury. Politics is far dirtier than any of us know, and the craftiest one wins often. Truth, often, does not, unfortunately.
But remember, what I wrote is for arguments sake on how I see the election going, not to raise an ire.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Sarah is pretty useless, in my opinion. She's a flash in the pan whose time has passed. She might make a very small difference, at best.
I do appreciate how she shined a big spotlight on crony capitalism, but since then she's accomplished nothing noteworthy. She irritates the hell out of the left, and in that respect, she can be a useful lightning rod, I suppose.
The GOP needed a shakeup. In fact, all of politics in the U.S. is in dire need of a shakeup. This is why Trump's popularity has far exceeded everyone's expectations. People are fed up. |
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| I am getting a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. The Establishment (politicians and media) refuse to believe that Trump has the support he has and/or are waiting for him to implode. My feeling is that if he gets the nomination and the popular vote, the Electoral College will put someone else in his place (they don't HAVE to vote they way the electorate does) and we will get another establishment crony no matter what. They DO NOT want their way of life and their cushy set up to be challenged in any way.
If a semi-viable 3rd party runs, we are sure to be stuck with Hillary,unless somehow she ends up in jail. If THAT happens we will have a declared Socialist as president.
Hubby and I have been racking ours brains as to just where we can flee/emigrate to if any of these alternatives come to pass.
I cannot say that I am an unquestioning supporter of Trump, but if he gets the nomination I will surely vote for him. The same if Cruz, Rubio or Carson get the nod, but I SURE would like to get a capable, non-career politician in office.
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| komet. - 2016-01-21 2:34 PM fatchance - 2016-01-21 2:19 PM She will be the death of Trump. I was thinking the same thing. I'm a Trump fan, not because I think he will make the best possible president but because I believe he is the only candidate out there that has a chance of fixing a 19 trillion dollar debt. This woman might have just killed any chance he had of winning and I'm thinking someone put her up to it for that reason.
Agree, same conversation I had with my husband last night. We both had the same thought that she is not helping him at all, and who in the world thought her speech was a good idea?? |
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Location: Oregon | rodeomom3 - 2016-01-21 1:15 PM komet. - 2016-01-21 2:34 PM fatchance - 2016-01-21 2:19 PM She will be the death of Trump. I was thinking the same thing. I'm a Trump fan, not because I think he will make the best possible president but because I believe he is the only candidate out there that has a chance of fixing a 19 trillion dollar debt. This woman might have just killed any chance he had of winning and I'm thinking someone put her up to it for that reason.
I can't believe Trump let this happen. I'm just hoping he's got a plan and this is part of it since he's a flim flam man. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | fatchance - 2016-01-21 12:19 PM
She will be the death of Trump.
I happen to agree. I was not thrilled when she announced. She needs to fade away. I'm no prude but her family is a mess. |
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Glad you are back!!! I have being wondering since Palin came out for Trump what you thought. I have been watching the comments on her face book page clearly more running against her than for her. IMO Palin is only jumping on the band wagon of the outsider that she sees that best chance at getting the nomination. I don't agree with her. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | If you people think Palin is terriable what the blank do you think hillary is. |
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| Isn't everything, all of it, all the players just a bit bizzarre? I can't back Palin anymore because I have no idea who she's become. But why would Trump who is dominating bring her in if there isn't going to in fact be some kind of shake up within the party? Why would you need what Sarah brings to the table? Okay, so she has solid followers with TEA and Evangelicals. You can't win without them, Mitt tried and his campaign gained six million LESS votes than McCain and Palin. It's going to split folks...If actors can boycott the Oscars when you have a black host, I guess the Republicans can boycott the RNC because your man is too white/rich and outspoken. Its going to be a flipping mess. I'm just thinking Trump decided to play the wild card. |
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Location: Florida.. | Or the fellow contenders knew he was front runner and hired her to do this.. conspirecy theory |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Trump is masterful at playing the media like a pimp plays a whore. He says things that would have led to the demise of any politician, yet because he is not a career politician, he gets a pass. He looks for opportunities to make outrageous comments and the media comes running, eager to witness his self destruction. Once that happens, he smiles, shrugs his shoulders, and explains or revises his remark. For example he made the remark that he would ban Muslim immigration into this country. Half the people were ecstatic, and the other half gave a collective gasp. The media came running, eager to get their politically correct jabs in on him. Then, Trump explains and modifies his statement to basically mean a temporary ban on all immigration from all countries known to be sources of terrorism....which happen to be Muslim...."at least until we get things figured out." In a subtle way, he has this "aw shucks" schtick about him that enables him to make politically incorrect remarks and get away with them for three reasons: 1. He's not a career politician, 2. He's anti-establishment, and, 3. He uses his hatred of political correctness as a license to be politically INcorrect, almost deliberately. He has almost succeeded in making politically incorrect remarks fashionable, much to the chagrin of the establishment and the media.
People are pis$ed off like never before. Trump seizes on the obvious and harnesses the collective energy of the angry mob. He is purposely vague because he uses Gestalt psychology to drive his campaign. He knows that most people only care about the big picture and they want something done about it. They see our southern border and they want it fixed.....Trump promises a big wall. They see China, Japan, and Mexico making fools out of us......Trump promises to fix it. They see ObamaCare as a huge, unpopular mess.....The Donald will get rid of it. They are afraid of ISIS.....the Donald will "bomb the hell out of them" and take oil as payment for our services.
They see the Iran-nuclear treaty as a bad deal......Trump will rip it up.
Everyone else expected to give specifics.......most people seem to not care about specifics when it comes to Trump. That's because people seem to feel he will get it done, and they don't care how. |
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| I found it interesting that Willie Robertson is now endorsing Trump as well. Not that he's political by any means. Palin surprised me just for the fact that I thought she didn't care anymore.
I honestly don't know what to think anymore of any of them, other than I KNOW I don't want Hillary in office. I would probably vote for Trump if he gets the nod.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2016-01-22 8:53 AM Trump is masterful at playing the media like a pimp plays a whore. He says things that would have led to the demise of any politician, yet because he is not a career politician, he gets a pass. He looks for opportunities to make outrageous comments and the media comes running, eager to witness his self destruction. Once that happens, he smiles, shrugs his shoulders, and explains or revises his remark. For example he made the remark that he would ban Muslim immigration into this country. Half the people were ecstatic, and the other half gave a collective gasp. The media came running, eager to get their politically correct jabs in on him. Then, Trump explains and modifies his statement to basically mean a temporary ban on all immigration from all countries known to be sources of terrorism....which happen to be Muslim...."at least until we get things figured out." In a subtle way, he has this "aw shucks" schtick about him that enables him to make politically incorrect remarks and get away with them for three reasons: 1. He's not a career politician, 2. He's anti-establishment, and, 3. He uses his hatred of political correctness as a license to be politically INcorrect, almost deliberately. He has almost succeeded in making politically incorrect remarks fashionable, much to the chagrin of the establishment and the media. People are pis$ed off like never before. Trump seizes on the obvious and harnesses the collective energy of the angry mob. He is purposely vague because he uses Gestalt psychology to drive his campaign. He knows that most people only care about the big picture and they want something done about it. They see our southern border and they want it fixed.....Trump promises a big wall. They see China, Japan, and Mexico making fools out of us......Trump promises to fix it. They see ObamaCare as a huge, unpopular mess.....The Donald will get rid of it. They are afraid of ISIS.....the Donald will "bomb the hell out of them" and take oil as payment for our services. They see the Iran-nuclear treaty as a bad deal......Trump will rip it up. Everyone else expected to give specifics.......most people seem to not care about specifics when it comes to Trump. That's because people seem to feel he will get it done, and they don't care how.
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| Here is how I see it right now. Both the Dem's and the Rep's are headed for a brokered convention. On the Rep. side it is all about delegates. You must get 1236 delegates to win the nomination. The first four primary's mean vary little they are only 133 delegates. All the primary's after the 1st four until march 14th are proportional which is the vast majority. Trump while he leads in the polls he has a long way to go to get the 1236. When you add in what Cruz and Rubio are going to get its to close to call. Hence why I think he is headed into the convention about 400 delegates short and it will be lets make a deal time at the convention. On the Dem's side it will be 1968 all over again. I have never been afraid of Hillary she ran a terrible campaign in 2008 got beat by a no name Senator and is getting beat again by a no name Senator LOL. But the main reason is she will fail is the FBI will bring charges against her. Yep I know everybody says no way she is to slippery she will walk. But everybody forgets the elephant in the room. The Obama's and Jarad hate the Clinton's guts. Obama will let her fry. This will all take place about 60 days before the convention. Now the DNC does not want Sanders so it will be draft someone else at the convention. My guess is Bidon. Why it's Obama's pick. And that scares the H&&& out of me because Bidon will get the Dem's off their butts and come out and vote. Ok that's my thoughts start shooting holes in it LOL!!!!
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Location: North Dakota | The republican party is a sinking ship and I'm glad I jumped off and swam to the island of Libertarianism when I did. Look at those candidates. Only one of them has a consistent record of truly supporting liberty and small government and he's polling in the single digits. People are too blind to see that Trump, Jeb, Rubio, even Cruz are not much different than the democratic candidates that I'm sure everyone here hates. Trump is not a Republican. He never has been. Up until he decided to run, his views were all very liberal. Over half of the money he's donated to political campaigns in the past has been to democrats. He's used the government to get what he wants *coughcougheminentdomaincough* and a Trump presidency will not be good for America. Behind the ever so catchy "Make America Great Again" and promises to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, is a man that while he may be a fine person, will not really be any different than what we've been getting. More empty promises, more spending, more government.
Then there's Cruz. The Conservative Champion...or is he? It's amazing that man doesn't wear sandals every day cause he sure does love to flip flop. His conservative voting record is a result of him switching his views to whatever will benefit him politically. I won't bother to list all the examples here but have a look and it's not hard to find several examples. Not to mention his latest blunder. When it came time to vote to audit the Fed guess who didn't bother to show up? That's right, Cruz. The man who said that he would vote to....audit the Fed!
Speaking of no-shows why don't we talk about Rubio The Statist for a spell? Actually there's not much to say. He hasn't bothered showing up to work in quite some time. I don't care how busy you are campaigning, you still have a job to do that is extremely important and he and Cruz have failed us. Also the man is soft as a dairy queen ice cream cone on immigration. He used his good debate skills to explain away his "gang of 8" amnesty fiasco as a compromise to make more progress but why on God's green earth would we believe him? He may say the right things but does not have the record to back it up. While he's soft on immigration, he has a hard-on for war. His foreign policy is one that is only going to lead to more chaos in the middle east. The USA has been way too involved over there for way too long. Yes I know ISIS exists but they were born from constant meddling and prodding in an already unstable region. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. We are just digging our hole deeper and it's filled with thousands of US Soldiers that paid the ultimate price (God bless them and their families    ).
Is it even worth mentioning Jeb, Carson, and Christie? Jeb is the very definition of "doofus". This pudgy, bland man may have been a fine governor but he IS the establishment that everyone claims to hate. Do we REALLY need ANOTHER Bush? No. No we don't. And Carson. I like Carson. There is no doubt that he is a good, honorable man. He supports a flat tax and really has nothing to gain from being president. I truly believe he is running because he wants to help. BUT what would help the most might be for him to exit the race. He is smart but does not have the experience necessary to run the country. Especially on the foreign policy front. A Carson presidency would be a sincere one, but inexperience could lead to a dangerous situation for the US and we are already nearing the edge of collapse nationally and internationally. America needs someone with more experience to take the wheel and get us back on the right path. And then Christie. His interests include long, romantic walks on the beach with Obama and eating. He'd be better suited to the Hunger Games than running for president. I'll just leave that there.
Then we have the candidate that I have followed for YEARS and that is Rand. I was excited about the rest of the field for a hot minute but when the dust settled, once again Rand is the only one with a leg to stand on. When I ask people what they don't like about him their answer is always "he can't win" or "he just doesn't look presidential"...well no he can't win. Not with that attitude. You have to dig a little deeper. I'm not sure what a president is supposed to "look" like but I will agree that he hasn't come off as well as he could in the debates. Let's look past that though because last time I checked silver-tongued politicians with the perfect one liners and catchy phrases are T-R-O-U-B-L-E. Rand has consistently supported liberty and small governement...as far back as I know. http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Rand_Paul.htm Look at his record. You'll find a natural evolution of opinions, as we all have, but I do not see any stark contridictions like we've seen from basically every other candidate. He is the only candidate that actually has the best interest of the American people in mind AND the experience necessary to run the country. Stand with Rand 2k16  .
So in relation to the original post, I am disappointed with SP. To me she was like a shooting star, on fire, really exciting for a bit and has been slowly fading. Now, with her endorsement of TRUMP of all people, I've pretty much written her off. She could be sensing a split in the party but for God's sake is that really a bad thing? The Republican party has turned into everything it claims to be against and, for lack of better wording, sucks major a$$. I'm in FULL support of a Third Party. That party happens to be the largest third party and the only one that is growing. The party that ignores left and right and is founded on minimum government, maximum freedom. The Libertarian Party https://www.lp.org/platform. It took me a long long long time and some prodding to finally commit to becoming a Libertarian but I'm happy I did. Republicans have disappointed me over and over for as long as I can remember. I'm young and absolutely terrified for my future. Republicans and Democrats are equally to blame. Both are power hungry and bloated and I want no part of it. I'm slightly priveledged in the fact that my SO is a fervent libertarian and very involved in politics here in my community/state so he has opened my eyes and inspired me to be more involved and do what little I can to help take back the future of our country.
So I ask you to take a long hard look at what you really believe and if the candidate you're supporting TRULY represents that? Do not follow with blind loyalty to anyone with an R behind their name, in fear that the party will collapse if you don't march to the beat of the establishment drum. Becoming a disengaged voter that blindly follows any party is not doing anyone any favors. Do not fall into the trap that politics are always the "same old, same old" and will never change. YOU have a choice to accept that or DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. There are alternatives out there! More and more people, on both sides of the aisle are looking for a change and there are good candidates offering just that. You need to take a leap of faith and stop worrying about the precious GOP. I know everyone's gut reaction is to believe that is handing a win to the Dem's but really, there are just as many uninformed voters that "think" they're democrats but if they were presented with actual facts, would side more with the Libertarians. Take for example the millenials. As one, I look around at my peers and I do not see the stupid, lazy, rude punks that everyone older seems to see. I see young, bright minds that have not been given a chance. Their parents have failed them. Their education system has failed them. They are completely lost and have been fed liberal bullsh!t by their schools, by pop culture, and by the media their whole lives. They have no idea what they're voting for. But with some work that can be fixed. Rand is already popular with millenials. And that is just the tiniest little tippy tip of the iceberg.
I'm going to stop going on and on now, but I'll leave with this. Trump is not going to save the GOP or our country. Neither is Cruz. Or Christie or Rubio or Bush. They all suck in their own way. The only way for conservatives to win will be to stop ignoring the only true liberty-loving, small governement consertative in the race. Do not follow blindly. Do your research. Don't be afraid of change. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Rand Paul doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of even coming close to winning the nomination. Neither does, Jeb, Christie, Carson, Fiorina, Kasich, or Huckabee. It doesn't matter what the reasons are....it's over for them. Only Cruz and Rubio have a fighting chance. The GOP establishment is going to pull out all the stops to defeat Trump. So far, it hasn't had much effect.
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Bernie Sanders is our man.
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Location: SE KS | 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 11:53 AM It's time for this country to finally get on the str8 and narrow.
Bernie Sanders is our man.
That's who will be getting my vote. So you want to vote for Bernie - and you want to give him 90% of what you make, really................... so you make $1000 and
you want to give him back $900 - that doesn't make sense.
If Hillary gets indicted before the dem convention - it could be a whole new ball game. If she gets indicted after the dem convention Bernie will I suppose have the nomination .
But go a head and vote for him.
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Location: North Dakota | 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 11:53 AM It's time for this country to finally get on the str8 and narrow.
Bernie Sanders is our man.
That's who will be getting my vote.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'm convinced that the Clintons are no different than a La Cosa Nostra crime family. In fact, they might be the most powerful organized crime family in history. Take a look at what they've gotten away with....body counts, vast numbers of women accusers, immense shady financial dealings, bribery, associations with scum and villains, all sorts of criminal acts, grotesque hypocrisy, pedophilia, lying, and incompetence. No matter how much Hillary has broken laws and lied, she will not be indicted. In the end, she will not be convicted of anything. |
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Location: Kansas | Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 11:59 AM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 11:53 AM It's time for this country to finally get on the str8 and narrow.
Bernie Sanders is our man.
That's who will be getting my vote. So you want to vote for Bernie - and you want to give him 90% of what you make, really................... so you make $1000 and
you want to give him back $900 - that doesn't make sense.
If Hillary gets indicted before the dem convention - it could be a whole new ball game. If she gets indicted after the dem convention Bernie will I suppose have the nomination .
But go a head and vote for him.
Not to mention the guy is 74 years, waaaaay past retirement age.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2016-01-22 12:29 PM
Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 11:59 AM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 11:53 AM It's time for this country to finally get on the str8 and narrow.
Bernie Sanders is our man.
That's who will be getting my vote. So you want to vote for Bernie - and you want to give him 90% of what you make, really................... so you make $1000 and
you want to give him back $900 - that doesn't make sense.
If Hillary gets indicted before the dem convention - it could be a whole new ball game. If she gets indicted after the dem convention Bernie will I suppose have the nomination .
But go a head and vote for him.
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| Bear - 2016-01-22 12:21 PM
I'm convinced that the Clintons are no different than a La Cosa Nostra crime family. In fact, they might be the most powerful organized crime family in history. Take a look at what they've gotten away with....body counts, vast numbers of women accusers, immense shady financial dealings, bribery, associations with scum and villains, all sorts of criminal acts, grotesque hypocrisy, pedophilia, lying, and incompetence. No matter how much Hillary has broken laws and lied, she will not be indicted. In the end, she will not be convicted of anything.
I think you are 100% correct. NOTHING will happen to her - she is untouchable. (And I HOPE we are wrong, but I don't think we are). |
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Location: SE KS | Griz - 2016-01-22 1:12 PM Bear - 2016-01-22 12:21 PM I'm convinced that the Clintons are no different than a La Cosa Nostra crime family. In fact, they might be the most powerful organized crime family in history. Take a look at what they've gotten away with....body counts, vast numbers of women accusers, immense shady financial dealings, bribery, associations with scum and villains, all sorts of criminal acts, grotesque hypocrisy, pedophilia, lying, and incompetence. No matter how much Hillary has broken laws and lied, she will not be indicted. In the end, she will not be convicted of anything. I think you are 100% correct. NOTHING will happen to her - she is untouchable. (And I HOPE we are wrong, but I don't think we are ).
I worry that they she won't get convicted either - but I hope she does.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-01-22 1:19 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 11:53 AM It's time for this country to finally get on the str8 and narrow.
Bernie Sanders is our man.
That's who will be getting my vote. I hope you're joking.
someone, sometime has to stand up for the common man.
Bernie is that someone.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | - Body counts.....look up the sheer numbers of former Clinton associates and accusers who are dead. Read about Ron Brown, for example.
- pardoning of Mark Rich
- Bill's accusers....again sheer numbers....rape, groping, unwanted advances, lies, recorded phone conversations.
-the Paula Jones out of court settlement for $800,000.
- Bills trips to his convicted pedophile friend's island for orgies with young women, possibly under aged....Google Jeff Epstein.
- the Clinton's association with former Congressman Ed Mezvinski, who was convicted on fraud charges, involved with the famous Nigerian internet scams everyone has heard of......the felon who also happens to be Chelsea's father-in-law. Go figure.
- the proven Benghazi lies.
- the Hillary cattle futures windfall
- Travelgate scandal
- Vince Foster's death.
- Hillary's email investigation.
These merely scratch the surface. How do they escape this?
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| 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 1:37 PM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-01-22 1:19 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 11:53 AM It's time for this country to finally get on the str8 and narrow.
Bernie Sanders is our man.
That's who will be getting my vote. I hope you're joking.
Bernie is that someone.
By making someone who has achieved a little financial success the villain?? By advocating taking private companies from individuals with no compensation and redistributing them to the public?? By wanting to give more taxes to our inept government and have them make all decisions for us??? No thanks, not having any of it. He has not proposed any plans to create jobs, to help people help themselves. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-01-22 12:19 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 11:53 AM It's time for this country to finally get on the str8 and narrow.
Bernie Sanders is our man.
That's who will be getting my vote. I hope you're joking.
I bet its not joking one bit, and this sure dont suprise me at all.. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SOmone has to pay.
For far to long the uber wealthy have kept their foot on the throat of the working class.
It's time for them to pay it back.
He is the only candidate that will effect any change at all. The rest are status quo.
You see where that has gotten us.
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Location: SE KS | 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:03 PM SOmone has to pay. For far to long the uber wealthy have kept their foot on the throat of the working class. It's time for them to pay it back. He is the only candidate that will effect any change at all. The rest are status quo. You see where that has gotten us.
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| Why not Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 2:07 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:03 PM SOmone has to pay. For far to long the uber wealthy have kept their foot on the throat of the working class. It's time for them to pay it back. He is the only candidate that will effect any change at all. The rest are status quo. You see where that has gotten us. you will have to pay too.
Agree. So you think it is logical that someone is going to be willing to bust their butt to give upwards of 80% to the government, essentially working 10 months of the year for nothing??? Why not just get a less stressful, less hours required job and bring home the same thing?? There goes your taxes contributing to the pot. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 2:14 PM
Why not Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 2:07 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:03 PM SOmone has to pay. For far to long the uber wealthy have kept their foot on the throat of the working class. It's time for them to pay it back. He is the only candidate that will effect any change at all. The rest are status quo. You see where that has gotten us. you will have to pay too.
She's just pushing buttons. Nobody with a sane, sound brain would say this, unless they have an IQ lower than 75. She doesn't sound that dumb to me. |
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Location: SE KS | rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 2:14 PM Why not Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 2:07 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:03 PM SOmone has to pay. For far to long the uber wealthy have kept their foot on the throat of the working class. It's time for them to pay it back. He is the only candidate that will effect any change at all. The rest are status quo. You see where that has gotten us. you will have to pay too.
Let's just become Russia - because essentially that is what would happen.
America capitalism - If I work hard for my money and am smart enough to work hard, learn to handle it well, then I have every right
to become wealthy - it is my choice - you have the same choice to make your own wealth. I'm so sick of people thinking having wealth is
wrong it is NOT. Everything I have worked for I have busted my butt to have - and I am not in the mood to share with you becuase you feel that someone has to pay.
What is the point of trying to make yourself better, work harder, educate yourself, if I have to share it with everyone. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 3:25 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 2:14 PM Why not Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 2:07 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:03 PM SOmone has to pay. For far to long the uber wealthy have kept their foot on the throat of the working class. It's time for them to pay it back. He is the only candidate that will effect any change at all. The rest are status quo. You see where that has gotten us. you will have to pay too.
America capitalism - If I work hard for my money and am smart enough to work hard, learn to handle it well, then I have every right
to become wealthy - it is my choice - you have the same choice to make your own wealth. I'm so sick of people thinking having wealth is
wrong it is NOT. Everything I have worked for I have busted my butt to have - and I am not in the mood to share with you becuase you feel that someone has to pay.
What is the point of trying to make yourself better, work harder, educate yourself, if I have to share it with everyone.
it sounds like you feel you are superior to others that may not have had the same opportunities as you.
Condescend much?
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Location: Kansas | 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:28 PM Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 3:25 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 2:14 PM Why not Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 2:07 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:03 PM SOmone has to pay. For far to long the uber wealthy have kept their foot on the throat of the working class. It's time for them to pay it back. He is the only candidate that will effect any change at all. The rest are status quo. You see where that has gotten us. you will have to pay too.
America capitalism - If I work hard for my money and am smart enough to work hard, learn to handle it well, then I have every right
to become wealthy - it is my choice - you have the same choice to make your own wealth. I'm so sick of people thinking having wealth is
wrong it is NOT. Everything I have worked for I have busted my butt to have - and I am not in the mood to share with you becuase you feel that someone has to pay.
What is the point of trying to make yourself better, work harder, educate yourself, if I have to share it with everyone.
Condescend much?
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Location: TEXAS | My take on all this is that America as well as the world will soon collapse and the "lawless one" will appear promising peace. We are in the end times, so really the future president doesn't matter much. If I'm wrong, I would like to see a Trump/Carson ticket 
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| 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:28 PM
Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 3:25 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 2:14 PM Why not Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 2:07 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:03 PM SOmone has to pay. For far to long the uber wealthy have kept their foot on the throat of the working class. It's time for them to pay it back. He is the only candidate that will effect any change at all. The rest are status quo. You see where that has gotten us. you will have to pay too.
America capitalism - If I work hard for my money and am smart enough to work hard, learn to handle it well, then I have every right
to become wealthy - it is my choice - you have the same choice to make your own wealth. I'm so sick of people thinking having wealth is
wrong it is NOT. Everything I have worked for I have busted my butt to have - and I am not in the mood to share with you becuase you feel that someone has to pay.
What is the point of trying to make yourself better, work harder, educate yourself, if I have to share it with everyone.
Condescend much?
I'm assuming you have no educated response for Dinero because you are now attacking him/her... educate yourself on your position and be willing to defend it with facts and/or your own ideas....
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I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
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| slacy09 - 2016-01-22 12:34 PM
My take on all this is that America as well as the world will soon collapse and the "lawless one" will appear promising peace. We are in the end times, so really the future president doesn't matter much. If I'm wrong, I would like to see a Trump/Carson ticket
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Liberals never engage. They never put forth an educated response. That's because liberalism depends on two things: 1.) A gullible, uneducated populace, and 2.) A high proportion of followers with a very low IQ.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM
It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
Define your "1%".
What is your "final solution" to the 1% problem?
Describe how you are "compassionate".
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| 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
What opportunities are they privy too that are not available to others?? I am all for everyone being able to make a comfortable living but the numbers just don't add up. Even if you took 100% of the top 5% income you would have only enough $$ to sustain the current government programs for a few years much less redistribute it. This is backed up my numerous independent studies. How is this $$ going to get in the pockets of others?? The only way is through better wages, better jobs. My husband was/is a common folk who through 70 hour work weeks is now a top wage earner. By no means did he have his foot "on the throat" of the common man. He created jobs and improved the lives of everyone who works for him, they saw financial gains every time he did. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 2:55 PM
1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
What opportunities are they privy too that are not available to others?? I am all for everyone being able to make a comfortable living but the numbers just don't add up. Even if you took 100% of the top 5% income you would have only enough $$ to sustain the current government programs for a few years much less redistribute it. This is backed up my numerous independent studies. How is this $$ going to get in the pockets of others?? The only way is through better wages, better jobs. My husband was/is a common folk who through 70 hour work weeks is now a top wage earner. By no means did he have his foot "on the throat" of the common man. He created jobs and improved the lives of everyone who works for him, they saw financial gains every time he did.
Your husband is a capitalist pig who took advantage of a system that rewarded him because he was fortunate enough to be blessed with the ability to work hard and take risks. Not everyone is blessed with those abilities......some people are innately lazy. |
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Location: SE KS | 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
lol - oh this is fun - who is condescending who now - you just stated earlier that I felt superior - who is stating now that you are more
intelligent than those of us on this board. Perhaps you are, and that is great. I don't claim to be the smartest, but I do believe in hard work, educating one self, and I feel I'm just as good as anyone else, and I have a right to become wealthy if I TRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are fun... lol
Compassion doesn't pay the bills, feed the world, put food in your mouth , my mouth. Yes we need to have compassion, I have compassion for those that can't for themselves, have great disablility, but if you can walk, talk, and feed and I would hope think for yourself, you know what, pull yourself up by the boot straps and fight for what you want.
K - the ball is in your court now. I'll be waiting.
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Location: Cap'n Helga Deadbones | Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 3:09 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
lol - oh this is fun - who is condescending who now - you just stated earlier that I felt superior - who is stating now that you are more
intelligent than those of us on this board. Perhaps you are, and that is great. I don't claim to be the smartest, but I do believe in hard work, educating one self, and I feel I'm just as good as anyone else, and I have a right to become wealthy if I TRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are fun... lol
Compassion doesn't pay the bills, feed the world, put food in your mouth , my mouth. Yes we need to have compassion, I have compassion for those that can't for themselves, have great disablility, but if you can walk, talk, and feed and I would hope think for yourself, you know what, pull yourself up by the boot straps and fight for what you want.
K - the ball is in your court now. I'll be waiting.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | My charitable giving is inspired by compassion. The more I have, the more I feel compelled to share. I would bet you a million dollars I can do more good by determining where my charity is spent and giving directly than by giving a larger amount of money to the government to redistribute. I'm not in the 1%, but I am a job creator who supports several families, including my own. We need to pay taxes to support our infrastructure, defense, agencies that regulate trade, etc, but by strangling job creators and people who WORK their asses off with high taxes you hurt the people who are supposedly being helped. Capitalism is not perfect, but it works better than anything else that has been tried. |
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Location: TEXAS | FLITASTIC - 2016-01-22 2:47 PM
slacy09 - 2016-01-22 12:34 PM
My take on all this is that America as well as the world will soon collapse and the "lawless one" will appear promising peace. We are in the end times, so really the future president doesn't matter much. If I'm wrong, I would like to see a Trump/Carson ticket
SO are you not going to pay taxes because its the end of times and why bother?
No I will continue with my duties as I am watching and preparing |
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Location: SE KS | Bear - 2016-01-22 3:47 PM Don't hold your breath. She won't be back for a while, and even if she posts, it will be the same kind of drive-by remark.....
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Location: Oregon | Three 4 Luck - 2016-01-22 2:05 PM My charitable giving is inspired by compassion. The more I have, the more I feel compelled to share. I would bet you a million dollars I can do more good by determining where my charity is spent and giving directly than by giving a larger amount of money to the government to redistribute. I'm not in the 1%, but I am a job creator who supports several families, including my own. We need to pay taxes to support our infrastructure, defense, agencies that regulate trade, etc, but by strangling job creators and people who WORK their asses off with high taxes you hurt the people who are supposedly being helped. Capitalism is not perfect, but it works better than anything else that has been tried. Well theoretically they want to take more money from the 1 percent, not the middle class job creators.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM
It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
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| Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 3:09 PM
1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
lol - oh this is fun - who is condescending who now - you just stated earlier that I felt superior - who is stating now that you are more
intelligent than those of us on this board. Perhaps you are, and that is great. I don't claim to be the smartest, but I do believe in hard work, educating one self, and I feel I'm just as good as anyone else, and I have a right to become wealthy if I TRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are fun... lol
Compassion doesn't pay the bills, feed the world, put food in your mouth , my mouth. Yes we need to have compassion, I have compassion for those that can't for themselves, have great disablility, but if you can walk, talk, and feed and I would hope think for yourself, you know what, pull yourself up by the boot straps and fight for what you want.
K - the ball is in your court now. I'll be waiting.
Education does not equal intelligence. I KNOW what my IQ is, (and I don't go around belittling others) and I have all the education I care to have. My husband is fond of saying that the more education folks get the less common sense they tend to have....and I am inclined to agree with him in many instances. I have a BIL who did not graduate from high school then in his 20s got his GED equivalent and went all the way to a PhD in education. ...He drove the 5 miles to my house in his little S10 pickup with a completely flat tire and had no clue....that it was flat or how to change the tire. I had to change it for him.
One of the things my not so stupid brain and common sense tell me is that VERY few will actually work for 10% of their wages. I, for one, am getting tired of the 47% that don't pay taxes at all, telling those of us that work, that we are not keeping them in the manner to which they would like, so we must pay more taxes. I am speaking of those on government welfare, subsidies and the government in general.
In this country we have the Right to PERSUE happiness. We do not have the right to happiness, or a higher education for free, or medical insurance, or a roof over our heads or food on the table for free.
By the way, I grew up poor. We worked hard and are comfortable...far from rich. Why does ANYONE have the right to take any of that away from us? Because you want it? that is THEFT, plain and simple.
Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
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| Dinero10 - 2016-01-22 4:14 PM
Bear - 2016-01-22 3:47 PM Don't hold your breath. She won't be back for a while, and even if she posts, it will be the same kind of drive-by remark.....
lol - I'm not - people with that thought process drive my crazy.... :)
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Location: Weatherford, TX | crapshooter - 2016-01-22 4:18 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-01-22 2:05 PM My charitable giving is inspired by compassion. The more I have, the more I feel compelled to share. I would bet you a million dollars I can do more good by determining where my charity is spent and giving directly than by giving a larger amount of money to the government to redistribute. I'm not in the 1%, but I am a job creator who supports several families, including my own. We need to pay taxes to support our infrastructure, defense, agencies that regulate trade, etc, but by strangling job creators and people who WORK their asses off with high taxes you hurt the people who are supposedly being helped. Capitalism is not perfect, but it works better than anything else that has been tried. Well theoretically they want to take more money from the 1 percent, not the middle class job creators.
They will have to tax the middle class job creators, the theoretical 1% won't cut it. During the small amount of the Democratic debate that I saw (couldn't take very much of it), Bernie replied to Hillary that the middle class would be taxed. That's always the way. |
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| Bear - 2016-01-22 3:00 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 2:55 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
What opportunities are they privy too that are not available to others?? I am all for everyone being able to make a comfortable living but the numbers just don't add up. Even if you took 100% of the top 5% income you would have only enough $$ to sustain the current government programs for a few years much less redistribute it. This is backed up my numerous independent studies. How is this $$ going to get in the pockets of others?? The only way is through better wages, better jobs. My husband was/is a common folk who through 70 hour work weeks is now a top wage earner. By no means did he have his foot "on the throat" of the common man. He created jobs and improved the lives of everyone who works for him, they saw financial gains every time he did. Your husband is a capitalist pig who took advantage of a system that rewarded him because he was fortunate enough to be blessed with the ability to work hard and take risks. Not everyone is blessed with those abilities......some people are innately lazy.
Wellllll throw my husband and I in that pot too ... we'll all be capitalist pigs together and enjoy the fruits of working our tails off ;-)
For the record, until a work ethic is instilled and handouts go away, our country is in the crapper ..... just sucks that my future children will be left with the mess Obama has created. Handouts and wealth redistribution, as rodeomom pointed out, don't fix spending or budget problems. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | crapshooter - 2016-01-22 4:18 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-01-22 2:05 PM My charitable giving is inspired by compassion. The more I have, the more I feel compelled to share. I would bet you a million dollars I can do more good by determining where my charity is spent and giving directly than by giving a larger amount of money to the government to redistribute. I'm not in the 1%, but I am a job creator who supports several families, including my own. We need to pay taxes to support our infrastructure, defense, agencies that regulate trade, etc, but by strangling job creators and people who WORK their asses off with high taxes you hurt the people who are supposedly being helped. Capitalism is not perfect, but it works better than anything else that has been tried. Well theoretically they want to take more money from the 1 percent, not the middle class job creators.
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Trump is the only candidate with a chance at beating Billary. And if the GOP splits off there goes that chance, and we'll be stuck with her. Palin's endorsement will hurt, not help Trump - he needs to not align himself with her. The evangical and tea candidates ARE NOT ELECTABLE, so those factions need to vote for Trump or force us to endure 4 or 8 more years of garbage.
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| crapshooter - 2016-01-22 5:51 PM I know. It would be nice though. Especially if the Waltons had to support the poor.
why the waltonS why not the clinton the gates the pelosi buffet the wealthy liberal let them
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Location: Oregon | vjls - 2016-01-22 3:10 PM crapshooter - 2016-01-22 5:51 PM I know. It would be nice though. Especially if the Waltons had to support the poor. why the waltonS why not the clinton the gates the pelosi buffet the wealthy liberal let them
i worked my butt off i am 65 and still working
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| crapshooter - 2016-01-22 5:18 PM vjls - 2016-01-22 3:10 PM crapshooter - 2016-01-22 5:51 PM I know. It would be nice though. Especially if the Waltons had to support the poor. why the waltonS why not the clinton the gates the pelosi buffet the wealthy liberal let them
i worked my butt off i am 65 and still working
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Bear - 2016-01-22 3:00 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 2:55 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
What opportunities are they privy too that are not available to others?? I am all for everyone being able to make a comfortable living but the numbers just don't add up. Even if you took 100% of the top 5% income you would have only enough $$ to sustain the current government programs for a few years much less redistribute it. This is backed up my numerous independent studies. How is this $$ going to get in the pockets of others?? The only way is through better wages, better jobs. My husband was/is a common folk who through 70 hour work weeks is now a top wage earner. By no means did he have his foot "on the throat" of the common man. He created jobs and improved the lives of everyone who works for him, they saw financial gains every time he did. Your husband is a capitalist pig who took advantage of a system that rewarded him because he was fortunate enough to be blessed with the ability to work hard and take risks. Not everyone is blessed with those abilities......some people are innately lazy.
Wellllll throw my husband and I in that pot too ... we'll all be capitalist pigs together and enjoy the fruits of working our tails off ;- ) For the record, until a work ethic is instilled and handouts go away, our country is in the crapper ..... just sucks that my future children will be left with the mess Obama has created. Handouts and wealth redistribution, as rodeomom pointed out, don't fix spending or budget problems.
We have a very successful friend in the oil and gas industry. He does not have a college degree, started working for them right out of high school doing grunt work. He never said no when asked to go do a job, his work ethic moved him up the ladder to now in his late 50's he is making a ton of money. It didn't come quick, it did not come easy and sure didn't come working only 40 hours a week. He and my husband always say the toughest part of their job is finding good people who want to work hard. My husband builds apartments and his subs can't find enough good labor to get the jobs done on time. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 1:37 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-01-22 1:19 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 11:53 AM It's time for this country to finally get on the str8 and narrow.
Bernie Sanders is our man.
That's who will be getting my vote. I hope you're joking.
Bernie is that someone.
I can't believe I'm reading this...If you like Socialism move to a Socialist Country. He is everything that America is not and stands for everything America isn't. He's a big blow hard that has done nothing in almost 30 years of being in Congress. He is a true Socialist that has collected the same paycheck of people that were working. |
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Location: Florida.. | crapshooter - 2016-01-22 6:18 PM vjls - 2016-01-22 3:10 PM crapshooter - 2016-01-22 5:51 PM I know. It would be nice though. Especially if the Waltons had to support the poor. why the waltonS why not the clinton the gates the pelosi buffet the wealthy liberal let them
i worked my butt off i am 65 and still working
I thought you meant "The Waltons" ... on the mountain.. and was trying to figure out the reasoning there.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-01-22 9:28 PM crapshooter - 2016-01-22 6:18 PM vjls - 2016-01-22 3:10 PM crapshooter - 2016-01-22 5:51 PM I know. It would be nice though. Especially if the Waltons had to support the poor. why the waltonS why not the clinton the gates the pelosi buffet the wealthy liberal let them
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lindseylou2290 - 2016-01-22 4:42 PM
Bear - 2016-01-22 3:00 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 2:55 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
What opportunities are they privy too that are not available to others?? I am all for everyone being able to make a comfortable living but the numbers just don't add up. Even if you took 100% of the top 5% income you would have only enough $$ to sustain the current government programs for a few years much less redistribute it. This is backed up my numerous independent studies. How is this $$ going to get in the pockets of others?? The only way is through better wages, better jobs. My husband was/is a common folk who through 70 hour work weeks is now a top wage earner. By no means did he have his foot "on the throat" of the common man. He created jobs and improved the lives of everyone who works for him, they saw financial gains every time he did. Your husband is a capitalist pig who took advantage of a system that rewarded him because he was fortunate enough to be blessed with the ability to work hard and take risks. Not everyone is blessed with those abilities......some people are innately lazy.
Wellllll throw my husband and I in that pot too ... we'll all be capitalist pigs together and enjoy the fruits of working our tails off ;- ) For the record, until a work ethic is instilled and handouts go away, our country is in the crapper ..... just sucks that my future children will be left with the mess Obama has created. Handouts and wealth redistribution, as rodeomom pointed out, don't fix spending or budget problems.
We have a very successful friend in the oil and gas industry. He does not have a college degree, started working for them right out of high school doing grunt work. He never said no when asked to go do a job, his work ethic moved him up the ladder to now in his late 50's he is making a ton of money. It didn't come quick, it did not come easy and sure didn't come working only 40 hours a week. He and my husband always say the toughest part of their job is finding good people who want to work hard. My husband builds apartments and his subs can't find enough good labor to get the jobs done on time.
Where do you live RM3? I'm in the deep South, own my own business, and find it sickening what our labor pool is like. . . . Lots of folks want paychecks but they don't want to have to get off the front porch or the cell phone to have to do it.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bibliafarm - 2016-01-22 9:28 PM
crapshooter - 2016-01-22 6:18 PM vjls - 2016-01-22 3:10 PM crapshooter - 2016-01-22 5:51 PM I know. It would be nice though. Especially if the Waltons had to support the poor. why the waltonS why not the clinton the gates the pelosi buffet the wealthy liberal let them
i worked my butt off i am 65 and still working
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Location: Florida | Bear - 2016-01-22 9:53 AM Trump is masterful at playing the media like a pimp plays a whore. He says things that would have led to the demise of any politician, yet because he is not a career politician, he gets a pass. He looks for opportunities to make outrageous comments and the media comes running, eager to witness his self destruction. Once that happens, he smiles, shrugs his shoulders, and explains or revises his remark. For example he made the remark that he would ban Muslim immigration into this country. Half the people were ecstatic, and the other half gave a collective gasp. The media came running, eager to get their politically correct jabs in on him. Then, Trump explains and modifies his statement to basically mean a temporary ban on all immigration from all countries known to be sources of terrorism....which happen to be Muslim...."at least until we get things figured out." In a subtle way, he has this "aw shucks" schtick about him that enables him to make politically incorrect remarks and get away with them for three reasons: 1. He's not a career politician, 2. He's anti-establishment, and, 3. He uses his hatred of political correctness as a license to be politically INcorrect, almost deliberately. He has almost succeeded in making politically incorrect remarks fashionable, much to the chagrin of the establishment and the media. People are pis$ed off like never before. Trump seizes on the obvious and harnesses the collective energy of the angry mob. He is purposely vague because he uses Gestalt psychology to drive his campaign. He knows that most people only care about the big picture and they want something done about it. They see our southern border and they want it fixed.....Trump promises a big wall. They see China, Japan, and Mexico making fools out of us......Trump promises to fix it. They see ObamaCare as a huge, unpopular mess.....The Donald will get rid of it. They are afraid of ISIS.....the Donald will "bomb the hell out of them" and take oil as payment for our services. They see the Iran-nuclear treaty as a bad deal......Trump will rip it up. Everyone else expected to give specifics.......most people seem to not care about specifics when it comes to Trump. That's because people seem to feel he will get it done, and they don't care how.
Now I know why it is so cold, h### has frozen over! I agree with Bear. Trump is a master at media manipulation and truly believes he can/will be president. I can't imagine what the RNC is going to do, but they can't win with either Trump or Cruz, both to far out there. I am a little surprised they haven't gone big time for the safe pick - another Bush. |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2016-01-22 10:27 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 5:39 PM lindseylou2290 - 2016-01-22 4:42 PM Bear - 2016-01-22 3:00 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-01-22 2:55 PM 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 2:44 PM It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
What opportunities are they privy too that are not available to others?? I am all for everyone being able to make a comfortable living but the numbers just don't add up. Even if you took 100% of the top 5% income you would have only enough $$ to sustain the current government programs for a few years much less redistribute it. This is backed up my numerous independent studies. How is this $$ going to get in the pockets of others?? The only way is through better wages, better jobs. My husband was/is a common folk who through 70 hour work weeks is now a top wage earner. By no means did he have his foot "on the throat" of the common man. He created jobs and improved the lives of everyone who works for him, they saw financial gains every time he did. Your husband is a capitalist pig who took advantage of a system that rewarded him because he was fortunate enough to be blessed with the ability to work hard and take risks. Not everyone is blessed with those abilities......some people are innately lazy. Wellllll throw my husband and I in that pot too ... we'll all be capitalist pigs together and enjoy the fruits of working our tails off ;- )
For the record, until a work ethic is instilled and handouts go away, our country is in the crapper ..... just sucks that my future children will be left with the mess Obama has created. Handouts and wealth redistribution, as rodeomom pointed out, don't fix spending or budget problems. We have a very successful friend in the oil and gas industry. He does not have a college degree, started working for them right out of high school doing grunt work. He never said no when asked to go do a job, his work ethic moved him up the ladder to now in his late 50's he is making a ton of money. It didn't come quick, it did not come easy and sure didn't come working only 40 hours a week. He and my husband always say the toughest part of their job is finding good people who want to work hard. My husband builds apartments and his subs can't find enough good labor to get the jobs done on time. Where do you live RM3? I'm in the deep South, own my own business, and find it sickening what our labor pool is like. . . . Lots of folks want paychecks but they don't want to have to get off the front porch or the cell phone to have to do it.
We live in the Houston area but the company he works for builds apartments all over the US. He is the National Director for the construction side, in charge of all the being built. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So now the GOP is in desperation mode. They are panicking. They can't drum up enough sleeze on Trump and every time there's a debate, his numbers go up afterward. The latest ploy is to devote an entire edition of National Review to a collection of "Anti-Trump" essays by conservative leaders. Trump's reaction.....a smirk, a shrug of his shoulders, and a remark "Well, they've been declining for a long time.....nobody reads that paper anymore."
I'm not saying I'm a Trump backer, but I do think he's been good for politics, because he's turned everything upside down and inside out, starting with political correctness.
To the GOP: it's too late, as$holess. You had your chance. Bush won in 2000 and he had a GOP majority in both houses for 6 years. The GOP had us excited when they won landslides in 2010 and 2014, but nothing changed. We kept circling the toilet. "Conservatism" was a slogan you pulled out of your bag of tricks, but you only talked the talk. People have finally started to realize that our government needs an enema....both parties.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | 1DSoon - 2016-01-22 1:44 PM It has noting to do with education.
I would venture to guess I am far more educated than most on this forum. What it has to do with is compassion. Myself and those like me are tired of the 1% forcing the rank and file populace into servitude.
Intelligence and education are not synonymous. :)
I've been thinking since the beginniing that this will be a Trump vs. Sanders race.
Capitalism vs Communism.
We'll get to see what the United States of America is really made of.
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Hard work still pays off and if we keep demanding, small business will continue to close their doors and Kiosk will take the place of jobs our highschoolers can do.
It's already happened. I never understood the logic of Socialism. Under the premise, nobody gets rich no matter how hard they strive. Takes the fun right of it, don't it? |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | RidenFly - 2016-01-23 9:13 AM I find socialist boring and depressing. Basically, it says; "There's no hope for you, America. No hope at becoming something so great that one day you too can achieve the American dream.
Hard work still pays off and if we keep demanding, small business will continue to close their doors and Kiosk will take the place of jobs our highschoolers can do.
It's already happened. I never understood the logic of Socialism. Under the premise, nobody gets rich no matter how hard they strive. Takes the fun right of it, don't it? I agree (and hi btw!), who was it that said, "Socialism is a great form of governemnt, too bad it doesn't work"?
There's still a sliver of hope for our nation...thanks to the Bundy's (lol...) conversations are happening, books and minds are opening, no matter how that ends up folks are educationg themselves...what we do with that new found education will be up to us and will determine the future of this nation.
Trump is the only candidate supporting the Patriot movement which puts me in his camp.
eta: I amy have to take that back according to this article...hmmmm...guess there's nobody to vote for.
http://twitchy.com/2016/01/22/donald-trump-at-the-shotshow-dont-give-federal-lands-to-the-states-to-manage/
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Vickie - 2016-01-23 1:09 PM I really don't understand Bernie Sanders. He is a socialist, he is off the wall, and I can't figure out who is supporting him. Russia is socialist, but I can't see Putin getting involved. Wait, what am I thinking. Who knows .
Bernie is an example of the typical Socialist. He has been in Congress for around 30 years and has done nothing and collects the same pay as the people in Congress that actually do work. He demands his paycheck and blames everyone else for the woes of this country. He can't add 1 + 1 and wants to give deadbeats all kinds of stuff off the sweat of others. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | musikmaker - 2016-01-23 10:24 AM RidenFly - 2016-01-23 9:13 AM I find socialist boring and depressing. Basically, it says; "There's no hope for you, America. No hope at becoming something so great that one day you too can achieve the American dream.
Hard work still pays off and if we keep demanding, small business will continue to close their doors and Kiosk will take the place of jobs our highschoolers can do.
It's already happened. I never understood the logic of Socialism. Under the premise, nobody gets rich no matter how hard they strive. Takes the fun right of it, don't it? I agree (and hi btw!), who was it that said, "Socialism is a great form of governemnt, too bad it doesn't work"?
There's still a sliver of hope for our nation...thanks to the Bundy's (lol...) conversations are happening, books and minds are opening, no matter how that ends up folks are educationg themselves...what we do with that new found education will be up to us and will determine the future of this nation.
Trump is the only candidate supporting the Patriot movement which puts me in his camp.
eta: I amy have to take that back according to this article...hmmmm...guess there's nobody to vote for.
http://twitchy.com/2016/01/22/donald-trump-at-the-shotshow-dont-give-federal-lands-to-the-states-to-manage/
Nothing that the Federal Government has done has kept anything great. Trump just shot himself in the foot with this interview. Proves that people that live in the rat hole of New York City only knows about business and nothing about rural America. I also don't like that he wants to keep using Ethanol. America is so screwed. |
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| Vickie - 2016-01-23 1:09 PM
I really don't understand Bernie Sanders. He is a socialist, he is off the wall, and I can't figure out who is supporting him. Russia is socialist, but I can't see Putin getting involved. Wait, what am I thinking. Who knows .
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Nevertooold - 2016-01-23 2:26 PM musikmaker - 2016-01-23 10:24 AM RidenFly - 2016-01-23 9:13 AM I find socialist boring and depressing. Basically, it says; "There's no hope for you, America. No hope at becoming something so great that one day you too can achieve the American dream.
Hard work still pays off and if we keep demanding, small business will continue to close their doors and Kiosk will take the place of jobs our highschoolers can do.
It's already happened. I never understood the logic of Socialism. Under the premise, nobody gets rich no matter how hard they strive. Takes the fun right of it, don't it? I agree (and hi btw!), who was it that said, "Socialism is a great form of governemnt, too bad it doesn't work"?
There's still a sliver of hope for our nation...thanks to the Bundy's (lol...) conversations are happening, books and minds are opening, no matter how that ends up folks are educationg themselves...what we do with that new found education will be up to us and will determine the future of this nation.
Trump is the only candidate supporting the Patriot movement which puts me in his camp.
eta: I amy have to take that back according to this article...hmmmm...guess there's nobody to vote for.
http://twitchy.com/2016/01/22/donald-trump-at-the-shotshow-dont-give-federal-lands-to-the-states-to-manage/
I haven't said anything directly to my kids, but my 10 year old says "dump Trump" every time he sees him on TV. Haha I think this interview proves out what I've been thinking for a while, and that is he says what he thinks the people listening want to hear. He doesn't actually "get" all this stuff, he's just good at keeping his ear to the ground and parroting sound bytes.
I saw a clip of him speaking to a group of evangelicals last week and he was trying to quote the bible by saying "two Corinthians" instead of second Corinthians. Clueless misrepresentation of his values. "I know my Bible, I'm a Christian just like you, but I can't even properly cite a well known verse." I would say he must think we're stupid, but Obama was elected twice, and 75% of the people on my FB friends list shared that dumb Mark Zuckerburg post, so we apparently are. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Three 4 Luck - 2016-01-23 3:39 PM Nevertooold - 2016-01-23 2:26 PM musikmaker - 2016-01-23 10:24 AM RidenFly - 2016-01-23 9:13 AM I find socialist boring and depressing. Basically, it says; "There's no hope for you, America. No hope at becoming something so great that one day you too can achieve the American dream.
Hard work still pays off and if we keep demanding, small business will continue to close their doors and Kiosk will take the place of jobs our highschoolers can do.
It's already happened. I never understood the logic of Socialism. Under the premise, nobody gets rich no matter how hard they strive. Takes the fun right of it, don't it? I agree (and hi btw!), who was it that said, "Socialism is a great form of governemnt, too bad it doesn't work"?
There's still a sliver of hope for our nation...thanks to the Bundy's (lol...) conversations are happening, books and minds are opening, no matter how that ends up folks are educationg themselves...what we do with that new found education will be up to us and will determine the future of this nation.
Trump is the only candidate supporting the Patriot movement which puts me in his camp.
eta: I amy have to take that back according to this article...hmmmm...guess there's nobody to vote for.
http://twitchy.com/2016/01/22/donald-trump-at-the-shotshow-dont-give-federal-lands-to-the-states-to-manage/
I saw a clip of him speaking to a group of evangelicals last week and he was trying to quote the bible by saying "two Corinthians" instead of second Corinthians. Clueless misrepresentation of his values. "I know my Bible, I'm a Christian just like you, but I can't even properly cite a well known verse." I would say he must think we're stupid, but Obama was elected twice, and 75% of the people on my FB friends list shared that dumb Mark Zuckerburg post, so we apparently are.
^^^^ THIS ...... too bad people don't really see him for what he is.....an "entertainer" ...... I fear that he will be the last death rattle for the Republican party...... |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | The Republicans proved we no longer have a party after getting control of both houses and doing nothing but lip service.
If I have to listen to Palin for a year, I'm going to have to turn the TV off.
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Location: Oregon | I think both parties need to die. And some sick part of me wants to see Trump in the white house with Congress trying to contain him. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | crapshooter - 2016-01-23 4:55 PM I think both parties need to die. And some sick part of me wants to see Trump in the white house with Congress trying to contain him.
At least he would give us some good laughs..LOL
Right now we don't have a good candidate on either side. Actually, what normal human being would want this job?
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Location: Oregon | Obviously no one wants the job considering the jokers that are running. Seriously this is like the movie Idiocracy, and the rest of the world isn't any better. I'm glad I'm old. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | crapshooter - 2016-01-23 5:18 PM Obviously no one wants the job considering the jokers that are running. Seriously this is like the movie Idiocracy, and the rest of the world isn't any better. I'm glad I'm old.
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crapshooter - 2016-01-21 2:16 PM
Trump is the only candidate with a chance at beating Billary. And if the GOP splits off there goes that chance, and we'll be stuck with her. Palin's endorsement will hurt, not help Trump - he needs to not align himself with her. The evangical and tea candidates ARE NOT ELECTABLE, so those factions need to vote for Trump or force us to endure 4 or 8 more years of garbage.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | The only thing left for the citizens to do is NULLIFY federal laws that aren't constitutional. That way it doesn't really matter who the president is or which party controls congress & it doesn't allow the supreme court to legislate from the bench! It puts the power back into our hands...through our sovereign states as intended.
Who's in?
Check out:
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Location: Kansas | Nevertooold - 2016-01-23 5:12 PM crapshooter - 2016-01-23 4:55 PM I think both parties need to die. And some sick part of me wants to see Trump in the white house with Congress trying to contain him. At least he would give us some good laughs..LOL
Right now we don't have a good candidate on either side. Actually, what normal human being would want this job?
I certainly agree with that, especially wealthy people past retirement age loaded with big bucks. When I see that sick smile on Hillary Clinton's face, that "deer in the headlights" look I wonder why the heck are you doing this to yourself. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Frodo - 2016-01-23 7:16 PM Nevertooold - 2016-01-23 5:12 PM crapshooter - 2016-01-23 4:55 PM I think both parties need to die. And some sick part of me wants to see Trump in the white house with Congress trying to contain him. At least he would give us some good laughs..LOL
Right now we don't have a good candidate on either side. Actually, what normal human being would want this job?
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Location: Florida.. | SO is this true.. Bloomberg is running as a Independant so that will help divide the democrat votes and that is a good thing right..
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/michael-bloomberg-president-2016/
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The basic problem in today's politics boils down to the "producers" and the "takers". The takers are interested in one basic, fundamental thing.....freebies. They are essentially united in that basic cause. Free money for not working, more free money for more children, free money for food, free money for healthcare, free money for childcare, free money for disabilities like depression and back pain, etc..... Meanwhile, the producers are the 50% who pay income tax. They are not united.
Too many people in this country are attracted to a system that can reward them, with benefits that exceed the rewards of working. The "takers" enjoy a standard of living that exceeds that of many "producers". The numbers of producers is on the decline, and the number of "takers" is on the rise. The only way to reverse this trend is to make being a "producer" so attractive that everyone is going to want to get in the game. It can be done, but the problem is our dysfunctional government and the career politicians who fight each other on camera, and hug in the back rooms. We need term limits to get rid of these career Republicrats.
One glaring example of how we can make being a producer very attractive is Social Security reform. A privatized SS system would virtually guarantee real retirement security to all participants. |
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Location: Florida.. | Bear - 2016-01-24 10:09 AM The basic problem in today's politics boils down to the "producers" and the "takers". The takers are interested in one basic, fundamental thing.....freebies. They are essentially united in that basic cause. Free money for not working, more free money for more children, free money for food, free money for healthcare, free money for childcare, free money for disabilities like depression and back pain, etc..... Meanwhile, the producers are the 50% who pay income tax. They are not united. Too many people in this country are attracted to a system that can reward them, with benefits that exceed the rewards of working. The "takers" enjoy a standard of living that exceeds that of many "producers". The numbers of producers is on the decline, and the number of "takers" is on the rise. The only way to reverse this trend is to make being a "producer" so attractive that everyone is going to want to get in the game. It can be done, but the problem is our dysfunctional government and the career politicians who fight each other on camera, and hug in the back rooms. We need term limits to get rid of these career Republicrats. One glaring example of how we can make being a producer very attractive is Social Security reform. A privatized SS system would virtually guarantee real retirement security to all participants.
you are exactly right.. and the takers are the majority now and they dont understand that without the producers they wont have anything to take.. |
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Location: So. California | Bear - 2016-01-24 7:09 AM The basic problem in today's politics boils down to the "producers" and the "takers". The takers are interested in one basic, fundamental thing.....freebies. They are essentially united in that basic cause. Free money for not working, more free money for more children, free money for food, free money for healthcare, free money for childcare, free money for disabilities like depression and back pain, etc..... Meanwhile, the producers are the 50% who pay income tax. They are not united. Too many people in this country are attracted to a system that can reward them, with benefits that exceed the rewards of working. The "takers" enjoy a standard of living that exceeds that of many "producers". The numbers of producers is on the decline, and the number of "takers" is on the rise. The only way to reverse this trend is to make being a "producer" so attractive that everyone is going to want to get in the game. It can be done, but the problem is our dysfunctional government and the career politicians who fight each other on camera, and hug in the back rooms. We need term limits to get rid of these career Republicrats. One glaring example of how we can make being a producer very attractive is Social Security reform. A privatized SS system would virtually guarantee real retirement security to all participants.
How is today's politics any different than it was 100 years ago?
Where there is power, there is corruption. I see both parties as being so full of BS, that it is a complete joke. Look at all the pork barrel spending on both sides, it is absolutely ridiculous. Free market? With all the government programs out there from farmers to energy companies, there is no free market. Subsidies, grants, tax breaks, etc. etc. It's a shell game.
Trump has no censure on his mouth, so you never know what the heck is going to come out. Palin keeps Trump in the news. Though not sure why he needs her help, he's managed to keep himself front and center with his constant off the wall comments. He is his best advertisement! Bloomberg joining as a 3rd party candidate will add a whole new dimension to the already crazy political season. If you have a billion dollars, you can run for president? How does that help the average American? How can he even begin to relate?
Hillary and Sanders? Both are beyond poor choices for the Democrats and it boogles the mind that either/both are even running. Dem party owed the Clinton's big, otherwise they would have actual viable candidates.
And, when was the last time anyone in Congress departed as less than a multi-millionaire? It's all about the $$ and power. Freshman congresspeople are immediately introduced to "rules" and comply like good little sheep. It is no longer about what is good for America or her citizens and it hasn't been for a long long time.
Anyone else think that the parties keep the masses arguing with each other to avoid the scrunity of their own actions? It's a con game and it's worked for decades....
Though term limits sounds good, it won't work either. Hasn't in CA, they just move to another government job and we are stuck with the same idiots. And don't even mention Moonbeam, he was a disaster before, what were they thinking? Nevermind, the voting masses don't think.
You want jobs? Not going to happen no matter who gets in office. Technology advancements are taking away 10's of thousand of jobs daily. Heck, you can order a happy meal through a kiosk now. They only need a human to cook the food. Soon, that will go away too...
Machines answer phones, money is handled all through electronic transfers, Iphones can do everything but ride your horse for you. and cars are driving themselves. You want change? You got it!
Back to Trump/Palin... reality TV must be slowing down for her, maybe she needs a government job and is throwing her hat in the ring. I wonder which cabinet position she will be appointed to?
The entire process has turned into a circus and they are not my monkeys!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Anniemae - 2016-01-24 1:38 PM
Bear - 2016-01-24 7:09 AM The basic problem in today's politics boils down to the "producers" and the "takers". The takers are interested in one basic, fundamental thing.....freebies. They are essentially united in that basic cause. Free money for not working, more free money for more children, free money for food, free money for healthcare, free money for childcare, free money for disabilities like depression and back pain, etc..... Meanwhile, the producers are the 50% who pay income tax. They are not united. Too many people in this country are attracted to a system that can reward them, with benefits that exceed the rewards of working. The "takers" enjoy a standard of living that exceeds that of many "producers". The numbers of producers is on the decline, and the number of "takers" is on the rise. The only way to reverse this trend is to make being a "producer" so attractive that everyone is going to want to get in the game. It can be done, but the problem is our dysfunctional government and the career politicians who fight each other on camera, and hug in the back rooms. We need term limits to get rid of these career Republicrats. One glaring example of how we can make being a producer very attractive is Social Security reform. A privatized SS system would virtually guarantee real retirement security to all participants.
How is today's politics any different than it was 100 years ago?
Where there is power, there is corruption. I see both parties as being so full of BS, that it is a complete joke. Look at all the pork barrel spending on both sides, it is absolutely ridiculous. Free market? With all the government programs out there from farmers to energy companies, there is no free market. Subsidies, grants, tax breaks, etc. etc. It's a shell game.
Trump has no censure on his mouth, so you never know what the heck is going to come out. Palin keeps Trump in the news. Though not sure why he needs her help, he's managed to keep himself front and center with his constant off the wall comments. He is his best advertisement! Bloomberg joining as a 3rd party candidate will add a whole new dimension to the already crazy political season. If you have a billion dollars, you can run for president? How does that help the average American? How can he even begin to relate?
Hillary and Sanders? Both are beyond poor choices for the Democrats and it boogles the mind that either/both are even running. Dem party owed the Clinton's big, otherwise they would have actual viable candidates.
And, when was the last time anyone in Congress departed as less than a multi-millionaire? It's all about the $$ and power. Freshman congresspeople are immediately introduced to "rules" and comply like good little sheep. It is no longer about what is good for America or her citizens and it hasn't been for a long long time.
Anyone else think that the parties keep the masses arguing with each other to avoid the scrunity of their own actions? It's a con game and it's worked for decades....
Though term limits sounds good, it won't work either. Hasn't in CA, they just move to another government job and we are stuck with the same idiots. And don't even mention Moonbeam, he was a disaster before, what were they thinking? Nevermind, the voting masses don't think.
You want jobs? Not going to happen no matter who gets in office. Technology advancements are taking away 10's of thousand of jobs daily. Heck, you can order a happy meal through a kiosk now. They only need a human to cook the food. Soon, that will go away too...
Machines answer phones, money is handled all through electronic transfers, Iphones can do everything but ride your horse for you. and cars are driving themselves. You want change? You got it!
Back to Trump/Palin... reality TV must be slowing down for her, maybe she needs a government job and is throwing her hat in the ring. I wonder which cabinet position she will be appointed to?
The entire process has turned into a circus and they are not my monkeys!
Politics itself hasn't changed a whole lot over the past century, but how government affects our lives certainly has.....tons. For one thing, the federal income tax rate was 1% on everything up to $20K, and the top marginal rate was 7% on everything over $500K, in 1915.
I'm not sure I would use any experiences in California to argue for or against term limits. The fact that 75% of Americans is in favor of term limits is encouraging to me. I can't think of a reason to oppose term limits. We have several members in congress who haven't seen a private sector job in decades. They don't even remember what it's like to live in the real world, away from their world of special privilege, where they needn't be concerned with ObamaCare or Social Security.
Your example of Bloomberg is proof that money alone can't win a presidency. Bloomberg's net worth is nearly 10 times that of Trump, but he is a liberal blithering idiot......and former Republican.
People keep squawking about how Trump is some liberal wolf in sheep's clothing. People don't give a dam. Trump's populist appeal lies in the fact that he is openly espousing ideas that make sense to most people, often times cutting across party lines and other divisions in this country. The last time congress was dominated by true conservatives was over 20 years ago when we had the "Contract With America". All these so-called "great conservatives" called upon by the GOP establishment to band together against Trump don't seem to be making any difference, because conservative citizens are fed up.
It's not just Republicans who are fed up. I think a lot of Democrats are disgusted as well. Democrats and Republicans fight during the day, and sip martinis after 5. They are like divorce attorneys who provoke fights between plaintiff and defendant....with a wink and a nod.
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Location: So. California | Bear - 2016-01-24 3:06 PM Anniemae - 2016-01-24 1:38 PM How is today's politics any different than it was 100 years ago?
Where there is power, there is corruption. I see both parties as being so full of BS, that it is a complete joke. Look at all the pork barrel spending on both sides, it is absolutely ridiculous. Free market? With all the government programs out there from farmers to energy companies, there is no free market. Subsidies, grants, tax breaks, etc. etc. It's a shell game.
Trump has no censure on his mouth, so you never know what the heck is going to come out. Palin keeps Trump in the news. Though not sure why he needs her help, he's managed to keep himself front and center with his constant off the wall comments. He is his best advertisement! Bloomberg joining as a 3rd party candidate will add a whole new dimension to the already crazy political season. If you have a billion dollars, you can run for president? How does that help the average American? How can he even begin to relate?
Hillary and Sanders? Both are beyond poor choices for the Democrats and it boogles the mind that either/both are even running. Dem party owed the Clinton's big, otherwise they would have actual viable candidates.
And, when was the last time anyone in Congress departed as less than a multi-millionaire? It's all about the $$ and power. Freshman congresspeople are immediately introduced to "rules" and comply like good little sheep. It is no longer about what is good for America or her citizens and it hasn't been for a long long time.
Anyone else think that the parties keep the masses arguing with each other to avoid the scrunity of their own actions? It's a con game and it's worked for decades....
Though term limits sounds good, it won't work either. Hasn't in CA, they just move to another government job and we are stuck with the same idiots. And don't even mention Moonbeam, he was a disaster before, what were they thinking? Nevermind, the voting masses don't think.
You want jobs? Not going to happen no matter who gets in office. Technology advancements are taking away 10's of thousand of jobs daily. Heck, you can order a happy meal through a kiosk now. They only need a human to cook the food. Soon, that will go away too...
Machines answer phones, money is handled all through electronic transfers, Iphones can do everything but ride your horse for you. and cars are driving themselves. You want change? You got it!
Back to Trump/Palin... reality TV must be slowing down for her, maybe she needs a government job and is throwing her hat in the ring. I wonder which cabinet position she will be appointed to?
The entire process has turned into a circus and they are not my monkeys!
Politics itself hasn't changed a whole lot over the past century, but how government affects our lives certainly has.....tons. For one thing, the federal income tax rate was 1% on everything up to $20K, and the top marginal rate was 7% on everything over $500K, in 1915. Revenue Act of 1913. And only 1% of the populace paid income tax. Plus the tariff rate was drastically reduced. How many people made 20K in 1915? Not many, The modern tax system was born....http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/THM1901?OpenDocument
I'm not sure I would use any experiences in California to argue for or against term limits. The fact that 75% of Americans is in favor of term limits is encouraging to me. I can't think of a reason to oppose term limits. Unfortunately, CA is the only experience I have with term limits and it doesn't work here. The politicians made sure there were loop holes and they just job hop. Same crap will happen at the Federal level, so I don't see this as an option that "works".
We have several members in congress who haven't seen a private sector job in decades. They don't even remember what it's like to live in the real world, away from their world of special privilege, where they needn't be concerned with ObamaCare or Social Security. Your example of Bloomberg is proof that money alone can't win a presidency. Bloomberg's net worth is nearly 10 times that of Trump, but he is a liberal blithering idiot......and former Republican. I mentioned Bloomberg as someone else brought him up. If he enters the race as a third party, he'll get free advertising because of his wealth, just like Trump. He's a different type of personality though. IF he decides to spend 1 bilion $, it changes the dynamics of the entire race, and then it becomes the battle of the billionaires.
People keep squawking about how Trump is some liberal wolf in sheep's clothing. People don't give a dam. Trump's populist appeal lies in the fact that he is openly espousing ideas that make sense to most people, often times cutting across party lines and other divisions in this country. Agreed!
The last time congress was dominated by true conservatives was over 20 years ago when we had the "Contract With America". All these so-called "great conservatives" called upon by the GOP establishment to band together against Trump don't seem to be making any difference, because conservative citizens are fed up. Agreed, the establishment - meaning those who hold the real power in the GOP party, have been caught off guard by Trump and his popularity. Even the democratic establishment is caught off guard.
It's not just Republicans who are fed up. I think a lot of Democrats are disgusted as well. Democrats and Republicans fight during the day, and sip martinis after 5. They are like divorce attorneys who provoke fights between plaintiff and defendant....with a wink and a nod. Agree again.
The establishment, regardless of party, love it when the populace argues amongst themselves. Democrates vs. Republicans. It creates a division among the people, allowing the Establishment to set what ever course they desire. The process no longer works for "The People" and truly hasn't worked for decades and decades. It's all one big arse shell game... IMHO.  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Term limits is one of the few highly popular proposed reforms that cuts across party lines. 75% of Americans want term limits. In fact, term limits for the Presidency is part of our Constitution, since FDR. The mere fact that congress has managed to avoid serious reforms regarding term limits tells me it's a good thing, just like their avoidance of serious Social Security reform is proof positive that it's a good thing. Just because the experience in California hasn't been good doesn't mean much to me. California is like a different planet, as far as I'm concerned.....weird, dysfunctional, and socialist.
The only way Bloomberg could effect the election would be to siphon off a couple percent from the Democrats. I don't care if he spent $10 Billion. He doesn't have enough savvy to attract free advertising. Trump would love it if he entered as a third party candidate. That's the only change in dynamics that we'd see.
Overall, I think Trump's entry into the GOP primaries has been a positive thing, even if he isn't my first choice. Even if he wins the nomination and loses to Hillary, it might be a good thing, because we will all get the ass kicking we asked for, should that happen. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | My only concern with term limits are the pensions...on the other hand, maybe it would force the issue that we cannot afford it.
Some of you on here know that I'm a 'bit' of a 'rebel' against the mainstream due to the fact that I LOVE our Constitution. I've had to eat crow a lot when finding that what I thought was the rule of law wasn't...learning has been a constant!
The 'big mind bend' lately has been the realization that states have not only the right, but,the duty, to nullify laws that are not constitutional when the scotus fails to do so. I think many of us have blindly jumped over the power of the states. Me included. Until recently. We've come to believe that the Constitution is a 'federal thingy', that the scotus has the ultimate say. This is not correct. The national government was created by the original 13 states...the Republic is non-partisan, non-feeling. There are the 3 branches of government that exist to insure that the other branches continue to protect the rights of the people and the states.
The scotus is there to prevent congress and the president from breaking the rule of law. It was NOT created to 'interpret' the Constitution nor was it meant to legislate from the bench as is often done.
The Bill of Rights allows for states to make law in a democratic manner...that old 'mob rule' mentality that is so important! The real voice of the people. Especially when you consider that our Founders very cleverly instituted the 'commerce clause', which has been so horribly misconstrued! The commerce clause is very simple: It gave congress the power to regulate commerce "with foreign nations and among the several states and with the Indian Tribes"...but, when you look into the discussions and the intent concerning the states it very strictly prohibited the states from prohibiting 'competition' and taxing state to state, thereby encouraging states to be decent to the populance. People were to control the states from getting out of line...through our direct vote and the fact that those elected are 'close' to us...(we know where they live!), and our courts were meant to be the venue where the people judge the 'intent' of our neighbors, our officials...etc.
The Tenth Amendment gives states the right and duty to nullify any law, rule or regulation that is not Constitutional. It is being used as it should be...why else does Colorado & Washington allow marijuana when there's a federal law banning it???? Because the states rule, as they should.
Please, look into it. There's an awesome website and an amazing young man who is so very 'up' on this, he's a patriot...and a very respectful one!
Get involved! Share with your friends...get it to your elected officials!!! All the way to our governors. You know, those officials we've been letting slide for waaaaay too long!
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | musikmaker - 2016-01-24 8:48 PM My only concern with term limits are the pensions...on the other hand, maybe it would force the issue that we cannot afford it.
Some of you on here know that I'm a 'bit' of a 'rebel' against the mainstream due to the fact that I LOVE our Constitution. I've had to eat crow a lot when finding that what I thought was the rule of law wasn't...learning has been a constant!
The 'big mind bend' lately has been the realization that states have not only the right, but,the duty, to nullify laws that are not constitutional when the scotus fails to do so. I think many of us have blindly jumped over the power of the states. Me included. Until recently. We've come to believe that the Constitution is a 'federal thingy', that the scotus has the ultimate say. This is not correct. The national government was created by the original 13 states...the Republic is non-partisan, non-feeling. There are the 3 branches of government that exist to insure that the other branches continue to protect the rights of the people and the states.
The scotus is there to prevent congress and the president from breaking the rule of law. It was NOT created to 'interpret' the Constitution nor was it meant to legislate from the bench as is often done.
The Bill of Rights allows for states to make law in a democratic manner...that old 'mob rule' mentality that is so important! The real voice of the people. Especially when you consider that our Founders very cleverly instituted the 'commerce clause', which has been so horribly misconstrued! The commerce clause is very simple: It gave congress the power to regulate commerce "with foreign nations and among the several states and with the Indian Tribes"...but, when you look into the discussions and the intent concerning the states it very strictly prohibited the states from prohibiting 'competition' and taxing state to state, thereby encouraging states to be decent to the populance. People were to control the states from getting out of line...through our direct vote and the fact that those elected are 'close' to us...(we know where they live!), and our courts were meant to be the venue where the people judge the 'intent' of our neighbors, our officials...etc.
The Tenth Amendment gives states the right and duty to nullify any law, rule or regulation that is not Constitutional. It is being used as it should be...why else does Colorado & Washington allow marijuana when there's a federal law banning it???? Because the states rule, as they should.
Please, look into it. There's an awesome website and an amazing young man who is so very 'up' on this, he's a patriot...and a very respectful one!
Get involved! Share with your friends...get it to your elected officials!!! All the way to our governors. You know, those officials we've been letting slide for waaaaay too long!
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/
I started following their FB page after you posted it a few weeks ago. I half expected it to be some nutty dumbass deal like a lot of the patriot sites turn out to be, but I have been impressed. Tara Ross is another one I love to read. For anyone who doesn't know who she is, she posts stories from American history that are kind of like "the rest of the story" and delve deeper into what happened and why than the standard school text books. It's fascinating. She is non-partisan, and when you read this stuff you get a new appreciation for what our govt was meant to be and how much we've been lied to. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I've been wondering why Fox hates Trump and once again there is a reason and it's because Rupert Murdoch (Fox News) and Bloomberg are for open borders and immigration and are involved in this organization and if you google it the website is a joke and states some real false hoods.
Partnership for a New American EconomyFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Partnership for a New American Economy is a coalition of business leaders and mayors launched by Michael Bloomberg and Rupert Murdoch to influence public opinion and policymakers toward comprehensive immigration reform. "The partnership will enable Mayors and CEOs to demonstrate to policymakers the vital role that immigration plays in our economy by publishing studies, conducting polls, convening forums, and sponsoring public education campaigns." [1] Among other goals, the partnership will pursue Congress and the White House to enact legislation which will create "a path to legal status for all undocumented immigrants now in the United States". [2] The partnership will seek to influence "by publishing studies, conducting polls, convening forums, and sponsoring public education campaigns". [1]
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | http://toprightnews.com/exposed-foxnews-planned-an-ambush-for-donal...
And Breitbart just exposed something even more sinister: Murdoch is the co-chair of the most powerful immigration lobbying firms in country, the Partnership for a New American Economy (PNAE), which spent tens of millions of dollars pushing Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer’s ‘Gang of 8’ amnesty bill in 2013. And guess who else helps fund that group? Leftist billionaire Georgew Soros, the principal funder of Barack Obama in 2008.
Something is truly rotten at FoxNews, and a viewer revolt may be just beginning.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Nevertooold - 2016-01-26 8:15 PM
http://toprightnews.com/exposed-foxnews-planned-an-ambush-for-donal...And Breitbart just exposed something even more sinister: Murdoch is the co-chair of the most powerful immigration lobbying firms in country, the Partnership for a New American Economy (PNAE), which spent tens of millions of dollars pushing Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer’s ‘Gang of 8’ amnesty bill in 2013. And guess who else helps fund that group? Leftist billionaire Georgew Soros, the principal funder of Barack Obama in 2008.
Something is truly rotten at FoxNews, and a viewer revolt may be just beginning.
I said this just over the weekend this was the GOP's with the help of the establishment media aka Fox News last stand against Trump to take him down.
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| CJE - 2016-01-27 8:11 PM
Nevertooold - 2016-01-26 8:15 PM
http://toprightnews.com/exposed-foxnews-planned-an-ambush-for-donal...And Breitbart just exposed something even more sinister: Murdoch is the co-chair of the most powerful immigration lobbying firms in country, the Partnership for a New American Economy (PNAE), which spent tens of millions of dollars pushing Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer’s ‘Gang of 8’ amnesty bill in 2013. And guess who else helps fund that group? Leftist billionaire Georgew Soros, the principal funder of Barack Obama in 2008.
Something is truly rotten at FoxNews, and a viewer revolt may be just beginning.
I said this just over the weekend this was the GOP's with the help of the establishment media aka Fox News last stand against Trump to take him down.
i believe it
I have wondered why Fox News has been anti-The Donald right from the beginning. Now things begin to get clearer. Crap, now where can we get reporting that we can actually believe? |
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Politics. Especially Trump/Palin...yes, I'm going there.