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| Anyone have any experience with this breeding? Are they easy to train? Any success in the barrel pen? |
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Location: Kansas | some....no actually most....will tell you they are broncs. Some can be, but once you get them past that stage, the ones I've ridden were smart, athletic and versatile |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I had a few and they were just to smart for their own good. |
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| Easy to train, but don't pick on them. Once they know it, they want to be left alone about it, that's where I think people get the idea they are broncy, they pick and pick on them. How close is Joe Hancock on the pedigree? |
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| Easy to train, but don't pick on them. Once they know it, they want to be left alone about it, that's where I think people get the idea they are broncy, they pick and pick on them. How close is Joe Hancock on the pedigree?
I was looking at a few horses for sale, noticed hancock breeding. I currently don't own any horses with hancock breeding |
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| When people are refering to Hancock, it rarely means the same thing. Joe Hancock was a 1923 model and is not even going to be within the first 5 generations of a horse. There are hancock breeders that try really hard to stick to that line, and that isn't because he was trash. The problem is that lots of line breeders get hung up on the name or color and not the quality. So just because a horse has Hancock in the name doesn't mean he is going to act like all the othe "hancocks" that people have touched. |
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Location: Kansas | Whiteboy - 2016-01-22 9:39 AM When people are refering to Hancock, it rarely means the same thing. Joe Hancock was a 1923 model and is not even going to be within the first 5 generations of a horse. There are hancock breeders that try really hard to stick to that line, and that isn't because he was trash. The problem is that lots of line breeders get hung up on the name or color and not the quality. So just because a horse has Hancock in the name doesn't mean he is going to act like all the othe "hancocks" that people have touched.
This, this statement is very true. |
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Location: SE KS | I currently own this filly, I realize Hancock is far back, as I think there are only a few left with him close up.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/highs+blu+goldseeker
She is laid back, is 14 hh & there isn't a horse on our place that stands their ground against her, and it has been that way since she was 2 yo. Gentle, stubborn, stands with her head over the guys shoulders while target practicing in the pasture, has had 30 days on her, can practice catching the dummy off of her. I can't wait to start riding her this spring!!! I do hope she grows a little taller!!! |
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Location: West Texas | I have never seen one with much Hancock that I really liked. We did have one mare that turned out nice, but she was still a hancock. They are tough bodied, but often time bullheaded. I just have no use for them in the breeding, personally.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Yes people get hung up on the name.
But I owned one. Only Hancock I've ever owned. And he became a dirty bucker real quick. I didn't pick at him. He did a spooked buck one time. Knew he could launch me. And he did it every ride from that day forward. He left soon after. |
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Location: West Texas | As implied earlier, nobody has Hancock close up. The problem is that most of the Hancock bred horses and breeders were, and still are, line breeders. I don't know why anyone would want to perpetuate Hancock characteristics so close.
As with any breeding, there are "some" great ones. Some of the rancher folks that really value, above all, a tough horse, really like them. I just think as a whole they don't bring much to the table. I don't mind a little hancock blood mixed in, at all. But I sure don't go looking for it.
I am not running down "any" nice horse that is Hancock bred. If they have proved their merit, then I could care less how its bred. I think hancock genetics could have been useful, but the linebreeders, really messed that up. |
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Location: Oklahoma | We like our filly from Cross Spur. They are gritty, smart, and don't forget. I prefer horses descended from the Joe Hancock line. |
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| As T DOVE said, they are really tough. I think thats what makes them popular in my area. A friend of mine has several that are all either full or half siblings. He ropes on all of them and uses them pretty hard. They are athletic, strong and have a lot of run. I wanted one of his for myself as a barrel prospect but I didnt get the deal done. You cant pussyfoot around too much on them. Not that they are broncy, they are just a "horsemans" type of horse. Great for ropers, ranchers and such. |
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Location: OH | Cowans built a lot of their program with daughters of John Red who was a Joe Hancock grandson---result of this was the great PC Bronsin and many many more. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | They are like any line-DFC etc depends on WHAT the Hancock is. There are lines more prominent to produce buckers and some that are kid gentle. I like the Red Man lines. Have had really good luck with them. My issue with Hancock is often you find the name Hancock, all over the papers. A bit much to me especially for a horse that is known to be a rank. |
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| Well in everything there are exceptions to every rule....these horses are said to be some hellva mounts "if" and "when" you get them broke. An old timer once told me they started out breeding these horse to be professional bucking stock, how true this i am not sure.....However, my experience has not been to far off from that statement. Tough, hard headed, broncs is what I have dealt with. I tell people I have a list of horses I will never own and I run from..... The list is as follows...
Impressive
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| Also, a lot of people really liked Fire Water Flit and don't realize that Joe Hancock is in the fourth generation of his pedigree. |
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| okkritter - 2016-01-22 10:34 AM Also, a lot of people really liked Fire Water Flit and don't realize that Joe Hancock is in the fourth generation of his pedigree.
Sun Frost has him in his 5th or 6th generation. |
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Location: Missouri | Warriors Mom - 2016-01-22 10:26 AM Well in everything there are exceptions to every rule....these horses are said to be some hellva mounts "if" and "when" you get them broke. An old timer once told me they started out breeding these horse to be professional bucking stock, how true this i am not sure.....However, my experience has not been to far off from that statement. Tough, hard headed, broncs is what I have dealt with. I tell people I have a list of horses I will never own and I run from..... The list is as follows... Impressive Hancock Palomino (anything)
I would add Sonny Dee Bar. 
and, any old foundation. I'm just not cowgirl enough.
My friend that has started thousands of colts says that if you can get by the Hancocks when they're young, you can get along fine with them. But, that's a big IF. lol!
My personal opinion is that I don't ride like those horses were bred to be rode. I do not need a tough-hearted, hard-headed horse that can last on the range all day, every day.
I want something kind and in-my-pocket, that I can't spoil with a treat or two, that won't buck when I haven't ridden him down because I'm running kids to 50 different basketball/baseball games...
But, I know people LOVE them. They just don't fit my lifestyle.
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Location: OH | Driftwood on Hancock was one of the first "Magic Crosses" for rodeo competition. |
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| American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame & Museum
During the formative years of AQHA, Joe Hancock caused a lot of controversy. Some swore by the stallion’s abilities and others cussed his breeding. Few horsemen could say what a Quarter Horse was, but they knew, “it dang sure wasn’t a *Percheron.”
Joe Hancock was foaled in 1923 and was by John Wilkins, by Peter McCue, and out of a half-Percheron mare. Joe Hancock’s breeder, John Jackson Hancock, lived in the Canadian breaks of the Texas Panhandle. The rancher kept a band of 35 to 40 mares, and periodically bred five or six mares to a small *Percheron stallion.
As a long yearling, the brown colt was moved to Nocona, Texas, where John’s son, Joe lived. Joe ran a few ranch horses and did not need a stallion. The vet was called and the stallion was hobbled so he could be castrated. The vet, Jim Klingensmith, looked at the colt and said, “Joe, I’ve cut a lot of horses, and I’m fixing to cut another one. But ****, this is a helluva horse.” Joe looked at the brown colt, thought a minute, and said, “Let’s take those hobbles off.”
After using Joe Hancock on cattle, the rancher thought the horse might have some speed. The stallion was sent to Bird Ogles in Oklahoma to race. Ogles took the stallion to a county fair, and the racing secretary asked for the colt’s name, Ogles said, “He doesn’t have one, but he belongs to a man named Hancock. Just call him Joe Hancock.”
After scores of races, the stallion was sold to Bird Ogles’ son, George, for $1,000, an exorbitant amount during the Depression. The new owner turned around and sold the stallion to Tom Burnett, owner of the Burnett/Triangle Ranch, for $2,000. Joe Hancock began his career as a senior stallion for the Burnett Ranches. Horses such as Red Man, Little Joe The Wrangler, Joe Tom, Roan Hancock and Brown Joe are remembered for their powerful builds and level-heads. Horsemen remember half brothers Popcorn and Peanut, sired by Roan Hancock, who won the hearts of ropers Shoat Webster and Everett Shaw.
Joe Hancock died in 1943 at 20, and was inducted into the American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame in 1992. |
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Location: Oklahoma | They are still very much at the fore front too of multiple disciplines...Cowans, Potters, and many more have based their programs around these bloodlines.... I still blame you... |
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Location: OH | TwistedK - 2016-01-22 12:16 PM They are still very much at the fore front too of multiple disciplines...Cowans, Potters, and many more have based their programs around these bloodlines.... I still blame you...
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| This link has some more cool stories about Joe Hancock.
http://americashorsedaily.com/the-story-of-joe-hancock/ |
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Location: That part of Texas | One of my friends own a few who were heavy line-bred in their pedigree. Those she owns, I love them and would love to have one of them. They do not suffer fools though. You better be a good rider/leader or they won't respect you. On the other hand, once they do respect you, there's nothing they wouldn't do for you. |
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I own a daughter and grandson out of this "Hancock" stud. I realize Joe Hancock is quite a ways down the line, but I love both of mine for very different reasons and have NEVER had trouble (knock on wood) with one acting broncy or anything.
The daughter made me fall in love with mares. She is so tough and smart. Has a totally different kind of "try" than any of my geldings. Picked up everything we ever threw at her with ease, and almost over night. I agree with others that have said to not pick at these horses. She used to lock up in the box when I would rope on her, but looking back (and as I worked through the issue over a long period of time), I realized it was my own fault and not just her being a rip. Guide them - they'll do it. Don't force them. They're smart and want to please, but want to do it themselves.
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| Red Raider - 2016-01-22 11:34 AM
One of my friends own a few who were heavy line-bred in their pedigree. Those she owns, I love them and would love to have one of them. They do not suffer fools though. You better be a good rider/leader or they won't respect you. On the other hand, once they do respect you, there's nothing they wouldn't do for you.
Best description I've read! |
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Location: Always on call..... | We have two that each came from different breeders that specifically bred the Hancock line for ranch/rope horses. The gelding is old now, 24, but was my husbands ranch and rope horse for over 10 years. He was broncy when he was young - hubby got him for free because he bucked everybody off. He was a tough SOB, though. Could literally be used all day on a 6000 acre ranch and then taken to a team roping at night. It took hubby a couple of years of using him hard but then he became the reliable horse everyone wanted to ride. He hasn't totally lost his broncy personality, though - 2 years ago I jumped on him to heel a few steers and he crow hopped down the arena with me. Lol.
We have a younger mare that has even more Hancock bloodlines but she is the sweetest horse. Has been a lover ever since we got her as a two year old. Never once bucked, picks up on everything fast. She's hubby's current ranch horse. I wouldn't hesitate to put anyone's kid or grandma on her.
So I think it just depends on the breeding and early handling. Both of ours turned out to great horses, but one was definitely a bronc for awhile. |
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| I have a Hancock mare I have had her for 13 years I got her when she was a yearling she was not even halter broke. She spent the first year of her life in a pasture. She was the easiest horse I have ever had to ride she is smart willing and fun. She does everything I ask her and it's always easy for her. She rides with a piece of string around her neck she is just so broke. She never gives me a hard time. I did let a friend ride her for a few weeks while I was busy and she claimed she sucked her head down hard and fast once and bucked but I never ever had the experience with her. She is by far the best horse I have had. |
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Location: Texas | I bought my paint horse at a sale because he was a grandson of Cherokee Indian. I didn't know the breeding on his sire's side. Turns out the sire is linebred Hancock off the Gist Ranch. www.allbreedpedigree.com/buck+hancock+gray
This horse honestly scared me because of his bloodlines. I expected to get bucked off everytime I rode him and he never bucked - never has.
He is the smartest horse I've ever ridden. He is very bonded to me, never liked strangers as a young horse, but is better now that he's older.
So in summary, he's a little strange, but he will give 110% and aims to please. He was super easy to train.
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| The ones I've had were really line bred. I've had two geldings, one was tall and fast and ugly. The other was short, stout, and couldn't outrun a bumble bee. I started them both as youngsters and they were easy, intelligent, and both absolutely loved me. They were very in your pocket. They were pretty hard headed but once you convinced them of your way, they stuck to it. Both were tough tough tough and didn't recognize pain.
If I were a team roper rather than running barrels, I'd want some roany ponies under me for sure. The tall fast horse was a great barrel horse, but he really excelled as a using horse on our ranch and cowboying on the mountain. Neither one knew how to quit.
That said, one of the worst wrecks on the mountain working cows involved a half sister of my good roan gelding and my friend Brandon. She blew up like a rodeo bronc and nearly killed him. She was a nasty piece of work.
I think Hancock bred stuff should be taken as individuals, and not grouped into a whole. |
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Location: NC | The mare I have now is hancock bred mostly through Blue Valentine. She is my first experience with this type of breeding. I got her as a late started 3.5year old barely 30 days on her. In a lot of ways she has really impressed me with how well she picked up things. Then in others she has been super tough. You definitely can't fight her so best to come to a compromise and start fresh the next day. hahaha. She is super sweet and seems to really like attention. She had never bucked since i got her two years ago until this past week, which I believe is due to being on stall rest due to a hoof injury (she has never been stalled till now) and the cool weather. But man did she buck totally surprised me since she had never done that before. So hopefully it was a freak thing. I got her cause i wanted something with foundation breeding to hopefully get some toughness but wanted something known to have some speed and I heard they have both. we will see. I also thought she was running bred on bottom but once i got papers realized that wasn't exactly true.... but i already had my mind up to buy her. lol
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bvh+bad+fast
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Location: NC | HorsesNHarleys - 2016-01-22 2:09 PM The mare I have now is hancock bred mostly through Blue Valentine. She is my first experience with this type of breeding. I got her as a late started 3.5year old barely 30 days on her. In a lot of ways she has really impressed me with how well she picked up things. Then in others she has been super tough. You definitely can't fight her so best to come to a compromise and start fresh the next day. hahaha. She is super sweet and seems to really like attention. She had never bucked since i got her two years ago until this past week, which I believe is due to being on stall rest due to a hoof injury (she has never been stalled till now) and the cool weather. But man did she buck totally surprised me since she had never done that before. So hopefully it was a freak thing. I got her cause i wanted something with foundation breeding to hopefully get some toughness but wanted something known to have some speed and I heard they have both. we will see. I also thought she was running bred on bottom but once i got papers realized that wasn't exactly true.... but i already had my mind up to buy her. lol
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bvh+bad+fast
Also in her defense I was 8 months pregnant when I bought her and then soon bought a house so I really havn't put much time on her like she deserves and needs. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I have a little Hancock mare I post about all the time. She was a great momma before I got a hold of her. She's short, stuby, and has the neck and jawline of a miniture draft. She is not perfect in her conformation by any means but her disposition is HONEST. If she doesn't like something she is for sure going to tell you. She stays humped up when we ride but the only time she bucks is when something is hurting or when something isn't right. She's the best little mare. Tho she be but little she is fierce.
She leaves all the guys in the rope box when they think they don't need to grab a hunk of mane when she takes off. She was quick on the barrels and a beautiful mover, but she hated it. So I just kept roping on her instead. She's on the heel side and has the best stop. I love my mare.
Here is her ped. I went ahead and had the doubles on her Sires side highlighted for those curious: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=check&search_bar=horse&h=miss+lefdore+hancock&g=5&inbred=All+Duplicates |
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Location: California | Mighty Broke - 2016-01-22 9:09 AM Driftwood on Hancock was one of the first "Magic Crosses" for rodeo competition.
I have a 3 year old out of a linebred hancock by a line bred driftwood, and her first week of being broke to ride you could rope a dummy and pull it off of her. I have her full younger brother and he is the same way. What I like best about them is they are not spooky, flighty horses. So it makes me feel safer. But, they also have never been broncy. At most she may have crow hopped a little when learning how to lope with someone on her. . . They are a little bit more dominate personalities, but like I said, I prefer that way over flighty spooky horses. |
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Location: Cap'n Helga Deadbones | Whiteboy - 2016-01-22 9:39 AM When people are refering to Hancock, it rarely means the same thing. Joe Hancock was a 1923 model and is not even going to be within the first 5 generations of a horse. There are hancock breeders that try really hard to stick to that line, and that isn't because he was trash. The problem is that lots of line breeders get hung up on the name or color and not the quality. So just because a horse has Hancock in the name doesn't mean he is going to act like all the othe "hancocks" that people have touched.
Agreed!
Mans the part about color and conformation. I have seen some good looking ones from the nose to the butt. Then when I see the hind legs they suck. No gaskin muscle, no bone density. Too much paying attention to color. And too many people who never learn what a Quarter Horse's conformation is supposed to be.
I have looked and looked at mares for sale for two years now. Still cannot find the quality I want. People need to LEARN what calf knees are, Buck knees, what angle the pasterns should be and how that angle should stay in sync with the shoulder and hip, and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Move been around some "Hancock" horses out West. Go all day and night and go some more with tons more heart to give. But I don't ride them till they quit bucking. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | We live not to far from where the Blue Valentine sale is held every year and have bought quite a few young horses from them. When Dan broke his back and had the 2 hip replacements when it came time to ride again the horse he chose to trust out of all of ours was a high percentage linebred Hancock/Blue Valentine 3 yr old ranch broke gelding we called Rocky. Sure I'd buy another :)
 Hancock is a ways back on this Eddie mares side on this filly we had by Slim last year, and I swear she would follow you in the house and sit on the sofa if you let her :)
We've never had any that were renegades or rank and all have been easy to be around.
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Location: TN | Kindyl Scruggs & her amazing Hancock horse " Blue" went to the IFR # 46 ranked 2nd in the world !!!!!! |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Owned one many years ago. He was an awesome working horse, BUT you had better keep him hooked up with hard work because the minute he had a free second he was going to bury his head and attempt to drive your head into the ground. He liked to buck, he meant it, he was good at it and several years of hard labor did not diminish his zeal. The day my husband stepped up on him and he bawled and buried his head and bucked until he ripped thru three sets of holes in a brand new off-side latigo, he departed to a new home. |
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