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Location: Grandfield, OK | Well it seems that the veterinarian involved and the owner of the Can't Bully This Guy will not make this matter right. We have never been able to receive papers on the colt and the owner of CBTG has not released a breeders certificate so we can even have papers on the colt. The veterinarian involved ignored our letters and requests for almost a year. He turned it over to his insurance company and now we are forced to deal with it through the courts. They offered us $2,500. That doesn't even pay the vet expenses on having the embryo transferred. I have tried several times to negotiate with these people to no avail. Just be careful who you deal with this year during breeding season with your horses. |
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I love it when people say they only use a vet for dentistry in case something happens they can go after the vet. I've never known one person that got paid from a vet for a wrong doing.
So sorry this happened to you.
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Location: SE Missouri | OH THIS SUCKS!!!!! How can they get away with that and not at the very least get the paperwork square to register the foal. WOW.. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Can AQHA do anything due to it being both shipped semen and embryo transfer to help you get your papers? |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | WOW! A person would think with this being their screw up they would at the very least get your paperwork in order so you can register that foal. This just stinks. |
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Can AQHA do anything due to it being both shipped semen and embryo transfer to help you get your papers?
I'm thinking AQHA won't step in. A breeders certificate pretty much states that the owner of the mare w/ the foal has paid all their fees and the papers can be released to them.
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Location: Grandfield, OK | Dr. Leonard. He stands Can't Bully this Guy. It is in West Plains, Missouri. |
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Location: Grandfield, OK | AQHA says all they can do is suspend the stallion owners membership due to the fact that she didn't put Coconut on the breeders report. She can not be forced to release breeding certificate. |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Well how is she going to file stud reports on her stud if she is suspended? I guess they will just transfer him into someone else's name? Sure wouldn't want to breed to that stud now.
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Location: Texas | WTH is wrong with people? Why don't they take responsibility and take action to make it right? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I was just wondering about this yesterday. Thank's for the update. I cant believe they are not working with you to right their wrongs on this catastrophic mix-up. They should be bending over backwards to fix this and cover all expences on the purchase of the embryo, the transfere, the care, and getting that colt registered!! Unbelievable. |
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| cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 4:05 PM
AQHA says all they can do is suspend the stallion owners membership due to the fact that she didn't put Coconut on the breeders report. She can not be forced to release breeding certificate.
I would ask them to suspend her membership, simply for the sake of this whole ordeal. Then anything she owns would have to be transferred to register any offspring. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Sounds like business as usual for an insurance company. They typically try to get you to settle for as little as possible. If you got an attorney, they would probably cover your losses.
Strange they won't just get you the dang paperwork, tho! Seems like any reputable breeder would at least follow through with that. |
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| Nita - 2016-01-26 4:29 PM Sounds like business as usual for an insurance company. They typically try to get you to settle for as little as possible. If you got an attorney, they would probably cover your losses. Strange they won't just get you the dang paperwork, tho! Seems like any reputable breeder would at least follow through with that.
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| cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 4:05 PM
AQHA says all they can do is suspend the stallion owners membership due to the fact that she didn't put Coconut on the breeders report. She can not be forced to release breeding certificate.
Do this.
Also lodge a complaint to the veterinary medical association for fraud.
He ai'd your mare told you he used the proper semen, took your money and now you are sol, it is fraud.
I would get nasty
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| cyount2009 - 2016-01-26 4:28 PM
cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 4:05 PM
AQHA says all they can do is suspend the stallion owners membership due to the fact that she didn't put Coconut on the breeders report. She can not be forced to release breeding certificate.
I would ask them to suspend her membership, simply for the sake of this whole ordeal. Then anything she owns would have to be transferred to register any offspring.
My understanding is if an Aqha membership is suspended they won't even allow transfers. |
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| ksjackofalltrades - 2016-01-26 3:10 PM
Well how is she going to file stud reports on her stud if she is suspended? I guess they will just transfer him into someone else's name? Sure wouldn't want to breed to that stud now.
I wouldn't have wanted to breed to him in the first place. He wasn't anything near what the original stallion was. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I guess I dont understand what the hang up is on the part of the stallion owner that was the actual sire of the resulting foal. They can file an ammendment to the stallion report. So why havent they? Are they that stupid? Or is it because they didnt recieve their stud fee? If thats the case you would think the vet would at LEAST cover that beings though it was his mix up that cost you thousands and thousands. If the stallion owner were any kind of decient people ( or smart) they would be happy to have that mare in his book and waive the fee anyways for her. He'll never be bred to a mare of her calibre ever before and most likely, ever again. |
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| VetTv - 2016-01-26 8:31 PM
The details in this thread are ridiculous. When something doesn't make sense then there is usually a reason for that. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Actually, it does make sense. My family has been burned by "the best" and never even got an apology from that well known vet. There are 2 sides to every story, but we can't be expected to know the other side's story if they don't speak up. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | VetTv - 2016-01-26 6:31 PM
The details in this thread are ridiculous. When something doesn't make sense then there is usually a reason for that. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Well then, if you have first hand knowledge please share......
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The stallion owner and Vet are getting a lot of bad publicity, might want to clear things up, after all it's breeding season.
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| cheryl makofka - 2016-01-26 6:54 PM
cyount2009 - 2016-01-26 4:28 PM
cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 4:05 PM
AQHA says all they can do is suspend the stallion owners membership due to the fact that she didn't put Coconut on the breeders report. She can not be forced to release breeding certificate.
I would ask them to suspend her membership, simply for the sake of this whole ordeal. Then anything she owns would have to be transferred to register any offspring.
My understanding is if an Aqha membership is suspended they won't even allow transfers.
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| VetTv - 2016-01-26 8:31 PM
The details in this thread are ridiculous. When something doesn't make sense then there is usually a reason for that. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
The way I see it, only one person can be at fault. Either the wrong semen was shipped ----stallion owner at fault ---- or vet got semen mixed up --- vet at fault. I seriously do not think you can ask AQHA to suspend someone. Did you have a breeding contract? Never heard that mentioned. |
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| VetTv - 2016-01-26 9:11 PM
No thank you. I will not participate in this slander just because you asked me to. Doing the right thing and behaving professionally always prevails. This thread is an example of how not to behave. I am certain that the stud and the veterinarian have customers that support them. I am one of them.
The embryo owner, the op, is out 2 years of investment.
A 2500 pay out doesn't even come close.
It doesn't matter if you support the vet.
The op has the DNA proof he screwed up, he inserted his own stallions semen into the mare, not what was asked or payed for.
So he was payed for services not rendered, he inserted wrong semen
Stole valuable semen, as I don't believe the straws have been located
And the vet is not rectifying it.
Yes he needs to be suspended from Aqha and from the vet association.
It is twice as bad for him as he is also a stallion owner, and the vet. He is holding the chance for this foal to become something over a stud fee.
A grade colt will get his head cut off. And the vet could have prevented it by taking all necessary action to get the foal registered.
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Location: Grandfield, OK | Hey, Vet TV, not hiding anything here for sure. My name is Felicia Miller, We purchased 2 foals at 4 and 10 days old. They were both to be sired by Vegas Resort , 1 out of Pearl and 1 out of Pearl's sister Coconut. We bought the foals based on the fact of their breeding and one was a bay roan stallion and 1 a palomino stallion. We planned to use these 2 for breeding purposes, as that is what we do, raise and train the best calf horses alive. We had 3 this year at the NFR that we traiined and 1 other one that we raised, so obviously our breeding program is successful. The 2 mares were bred on the same day at a breeding facility in Texas. Semen was shipped from Dr. Leonard in West Plains, MO after it was collected from Vegas Resort. Both vials of semen were in the same box and were supposedly from the same semen collection. When I tried to register the foals, it was discovered one was correct, thankfully the one out of Pearl and the other one was found to be by the stallion Can't Bully This Guy, which is owned by the girlfriend of the vet we were told. Those are FACTS!!! I have been trying for a year to settle this. I applied for AQHA registration for both foals, got one and the other one has not been released due to the stallion owner. I have legal council. I tried to settle this in court and will eventually do so, however we will have to sue the gentleman that we bought the colts from, he in turn will have to see the gentleman that owned the stallion we contracted to buy the semen from and the stallion owner of the horse we wanted the babies to be by will have to sue the veterinarian. Big vivious ugly circle huh? We did not ask for an astronomical amount for financial restitution but obviously these were not cheap horses. Embryo horses are never cheap for a reason. It was an insult to offer us $2,500. It costs right at $5000 just for an embryo transfer when you include the price of the recip mare and vet charges. If you have any problems with any of this feel free to give me a call: 940-631-5007. Thanks :) |
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I am not interested in calling for more information. I am sorry that this has happened for all involved. As I just mentioned, I am not you nor am I the vet. So I am not a party to this situation and my opinion is not important. I commented because I think this thread is unprofessional and not the "right" thing to do in this or any situation. I work with a professional company that works with veterinarians every day. There is a right and wrong way to handle this situation and this is not the right way. Nothing is accomplished with this method except for adding drama. If you want drama, then you are accomplishing what you want. Are you a drama queen? I hope not. If you want to waste time, then you are accomplishing that too. If you want to resolve the problem then take the professional route and act professional in the process. That is my 10 cents worth and I am out of this. Just hoping that someone has some integrity and acts like it. I am reporting this thread to the admin since my comment did not seem to help. Best wishes for you and your horses.
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| VetTv - 2016-01-26 10:22 PM
Oh my goodness Cheryl. Did you really just say that the vet "stole" the straws? That is a prime example of why I commented on this thread. You and I are neither parties in this transaction. You do not KNOW what happened and neither do I. Behave accordingly. This should be handled by the parties involved and not in a chat forum. What is the purpose of this thread? Is this solving the situation?
The straws were not inserted into the mare they were supposed to, so yes it can be considered theft unless he can provide the unused straws. |
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Location: Texas | VetTv - 2016-01-26 10:22 PM Oh my goodness Cheryl. Did you really just say that the vet "stole" the straws? That is a prime example of why I commented on this thread. You and I are neither parties in this transaction. You do not KNOW what happened and neither do I. Behave accordingly. This should be handled by the parties involved and not in a chat forum. What is the purpose of this thread? Is this solving the situation?
I think the purpose of this thread is to publicize what happened in order to effect a satisfactory solution, and shed light on the principles of the vet and stallion owner involved. It's working.
Slander = spoken word
Libel = written word
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Location: Texas | VetTv - 2016-01-26 11:43 PM I have never seen so many attorneys offering free services in one place! :)
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Location: Where I am happiest | Man VetTv, for someone who wasnt there, nor involved, you sure do have alot of opinions as to what did or didnt transpire and what we can or cant talk about on this board. What makes you so important? Just a FYI, we are all "friends" here and have been here for many years. Many of us do breed horses and compete on these horses and this right here is every breeders nightmare and worst fear. ESPECIALLY when you weigh in the years involved and the expence involved to get these high end foals on the ground. Then to find out the foal doesnt match the DNA for registration? The foal is sired by another horse the shipping vet stands, and a embryo from one of the best mares ( multiple NFR qualifier) on the planet? Now none of parties at fault is working with her to right this catostrophic and financially devistating situation and not even make the small consolation to at least take a first step to begine to right this wrong to register the resulting foal from this bungled mess? Are you kidding me??!!!! I wouldnt touch that stallion or vet with a 10 ft pole after this. Everybody can make a mistake, we are all human but to then not even try to make it right? No Thank's!!
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Location: Grandfield, OK | VetTv - 2016-01-26 10:32 PM
Hi Felicia,
I am not interested in calling for more information. I am sorry that this has happened for all involved. As I just mentioned, I am not you nor am I the vet. So I am not a party to this situation and my opinion is not important. I commented because I think this thread is unprofessional and not the "right" thing to do in this or any situation. I work with a professional company that works with veterinarians every day. There is a right and wrong way to handle this situation and this is not the right way. Nothing is accomplished with this method except for adding drama. If you want drama, then you are accomplishing what you want. Are you a drama queen? I hope not. If you want to waste time, then you are accomplishing that too. If you want to resolve the problem then take the professional route and act professional in the process. That is my 10 cents worth and I am out of this. Just hoping that someone has some integrity and acts like it. I am reporting this thread to the admin since my comment did not seem to help. Best wishes for you and your horses.
No drama intended, just revealing raw facts. We have been trying to work with the veterinarian for a year now. Would you settle for nothing if this were you? Well us neither. We do have an attorney involved. My intent with this post is hoping the involved vet will step up to the plate and right the wrong. If he would, I would publicly right his name and call him an honorable trustworthy man. Heck, I would post it in all capital letters! Until then, the vet and the stallion owner can reap what they have sewn. We are reputable horse breeders and trainers and only expect that from people we deal with in this business. We have a barn full of horses we trained for the public and would not have one single one, nor deserve one if we conducted our business in this manner. Let's just skip the "drama" and do the right thing! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | kwanatha - 2016-01-27 6:13 AM
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Location: Central Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-01-26 2:19 PM That is real BS..
I love it when people say they only use a vet for dentistry in case something happens they can go after the vet. I've never known one person that got paid from a vet for a wrong doing.
So sorry this happened to you.
I did manage to get paid. It was a very long battle and I ran into many brick walls along the way. They tried to settle with us many times for ridiculously low amounts that didn't even cover the vet bills. I'm convinced they made it as hard as possible in hopes that we would just give up and settle or go away. In our case (also a breeding issue)The damage was done and was irreversible so I was mad and had nothing but time on my hands. We battled it out in court for just over 2 years. Their first offer to us was $1200. After 2 years and about 4 more offers we settled at $25,000.
To the OP.....As you have already seen and experienced, it will not be easy, but don't give up. I hope you can get it all straightened out.
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Location: Grandfield, OK | Hey folks, I do believe either the vet or somebody associated with him is Vettv. Check out www.vettv.net/show/animal-clinic-and-equine-center. Send him or her a message and tell them what ya think. They just joined here 1/26 , the day I posted this. I'm not hiding anything, not sure why they are, it's kinda like the reality shows, DNA results are in. Lol |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 9:54 AM Hey folks, I do believe either the vet or somebody associated with him is Vettv. Check out www.vettv.net/show/animal-clinic-and-equine-center. Send him or her a message and tell them what ya think. They just joined here 1/26 , the day I posted this. I'm not hiding anything, not sure why they are, it's kinda like the reality shows, DNA results are in. Lol
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Location: Oklahoma | cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 9:54 AM
Hey folks, I do believe either the vet or somebody associated with him is Vettv. Check out www.vettv.net/show/animal-clinic-and-equine-center. Send him or her a message and tell them what ya think. They just joined here 1/26 , the day I posted this. I'm not hiding anything, not sure why they are, it's kinda like the reality shows, DNA results are in. Lol
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Location: Oklahoma | cheryl makofka - 2016-01-26 10:49 PM
VetTv - 2016-01-26 10:22 PM
Oh my goodness Cheryl. Did you really just say that the vet "stole" the straws? That is a prime example of why I commented on this thread. You and I are neither parties in this transaction. You do not KNOW what happened and neither do I. Behave accordingly. This should be handled by the parties involved and not in a chat forum. What is the purpose of this thread? Is this solving the situation?
The straws were not inserted into the mare they were supposed to, so yes it can be considered theft unless he can provide the unused straws.
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Location: West Texas | This is a sorry rotten deal for sure. I knew the day that colt was born, that the semen had been messed up. I had hoped I was wrong.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 9:54 AM Hey folks, I do believe either the vet or somebody associated with him is Vettv. Check out www.vettv.net/show/animal-clinic-and-equine-center. Send him or her a message and tell them what ya think. They just joined here 1/26 , the day I posted this. I'm not hiding anything, not sure why they are, it's kinda like the reality shows, DNA results are in. Lol
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Location: Weatherford, TX | cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 9:42 PM Hey, Vet TV, not hiding anything here for sure. My name is Felicia Miller, We purchased 2 foals at 4 and 10 days old. They were both to be sired by Vegas Resort , 1 out of Pearl and 1 out of Pearl's sister Coconut. We bought the foals based on the fact of their breeding and one was a bay roan stallion and 1 a palomino stallion. We planned to use these 2 for breeding purposes, as that is what we do, raise and train the best calf horses alive. We had 3 this year at the NFR that we traiined and 1 other one that we raised, so obviously our breeding program is successful. The 2 mares were bred on the same day at a breeding facility in Texas. Semen was shipped from Dr. Leonard in West Plains, MO after it was collected from Vegas Resort. Both vials of semen were in the same box and were supposedly from the same semen collection. When I tried to register the foals, it was discovered one was correct, thankfully the one out of Pearl and the other one was found to be by the stallion Can't Bully This Guy, which is owned by the girlfriend of the vet we were told. Those are FACTS!!! I have been trying for a year to settle this. I applied for AQHA registration for both foals, got one and the other one has not been released due to the stallion owner. I have legal council. I tried to settle this in court and will eventually do so, however we will have to sue the gentleman that we bought the colts from, he in turn will have to see the gentleman that owned the stallion we contracted to buy the semen from and the stallion owner of the horse we wanted the babies to be by will have to sue the veterinarian. Big vivious ugly circle huh? We did not ask for an astronomical amount for financial restitution but obviously these were not cheap horses. Embryo horses are never cheap for a reason. It was an insult to offer us $2,500. It costs right at $5000 just for an embryo transfer when you include the price of the recip mare and vet charges. If you have any problems with any of this feel free to give me a call: 940-631-5007. Thanks :)
Hi. I've been following and am confused. If you purchased the foals at 4 and 10 days old from another gentleman, wouldn't you have to go back to him? And then in turn he would have to go back to stallion owner or whomever he got the foals from? Then the stallion owner would have to go back to the vet? It is a mess and confusing. |
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| Gator Bug - 2016-01-28 10:31 AM
cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 9:42 PM Hey, Vet TV, not hiding anything here for sure. My name is Felicia Miller, We purchased 2 foals at 4 and 10 days old. They were both to be sired by Vegas Resort , 1 out of Pearl and 1 out of Pearl's sister Coconut. We bought the foals based on the fact of their breeding and one was a bay roan stallion and 1 a palomino stallion. We planned to use these 2 for breeding purposes, as that is what we do, raise and train the best calf horses alive. We had 3 this year at the NFR that we traiined and 1 other one that we raised, so obviously our breeding program is successful. The 2 mares were bred on the same day at a breeding facility in Texas. Semen was shipped from Dr. Leonard in West Plains, MO after it was collected from Vegas Resort. Both vials of semen were in the same box and were supposedly from the same semen collection. When I tried to register the foals, it was discovered one was correct, thankfully the one out of Pearl and the other one was found to be by the stallion Can't Bully This Guy, which is owned by the girlfriend of the vet we were told. Those are FACTS!!! I have been trying for a year to settle this. I applied for AQHA registration for both foals, got one and the other one has not been released due to the stallion owner. I have legal council. I tried to settle this in court and will eventually do so, however we will have to sue the gentleman that we bought the colts from, he in turn will have to see the gentleman that owned the stallion we contracted to buy the semen from and the stallion owner of the horse we wanted the babies to be by will have to sue the veterinarian. Big vivious ugly circle huh? We did not ask for an astronomical amount for financial restitution but obviously these were not cheap horses. Embryo horses are never cheap for a reason. It was an insult to offer us $2,500. It costs right at $5000 just for an embryo transfer when you include the price of the recip mare and vet charges. If you have any problems with any of this feel free to give me a call: 940-631-5007. Thanks :)
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Location: Weatherford, TX | FlyingJT - 2016-01-28 10:33 AM Gator Bug - 2016-01-28 10:31 AM cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 9:42 PM Hey, Vet TV, not hiding anything here for sure. My name is Felicia Miller, We purchased 2 foals at 4 and 10 days old. They were both to be sired by Vegas Resort , 1 out of Pearl and 1 out of Pearl's sister Coconut. We bought the foals based on the fact of their breeding and one was a bay roan stallion and 1 a palomino stallion. We planned to use these 2 for breeding purposes, as that is what we do, raise and train the best calf horses alive. We had 3 this year at the NFR that we traiined and 1 other one that we raised, so obviously our breeding program is successful. The 2 mares were bred on the same day at a breeding facility in Texas. Semen was shipped from Dr. Leonard in West Plains, MO after it was collected from Vegas Resort. Both vials of semen were in the same box and were supposedly from the same semen collection. When I tried to register the foals, it was discovered one was correct, thankfully the one out of Pearl and the other one was found to be by the stallion Can't Bully This Guy, which is owned by the girlfriend of the vet we were told. Those are FACTS!!! I have been trying for a year to settle this. I applied for AQHA registration for both foals, got one and the other one has not been released due to the stallion owner. I have legal council. I tried to settle this in court and will eventually do so, however we will have to sue the gentleman that we bought the colts from, he in turn will have to see the gentleman that owned the stallion we contracted to buy the semen from and the stallion owner of the horse we wanted the babies to be by will have to sue the veterinarian. Big vivious ugly circle huh? We did not ask for an astronomical amount for financial restitution but obviously these were not cheap horses. Embryo horses are never cheap for a reason. It was an insult to offer us $2,500. It costs right at $5000 just for an embryo transfer when you include the price of the recip mare and vet charges. If you have any problems with any of this feel free to give me a call: 940-631-5007. Thanks :) Yes, that's what they are doing!
Yes, I know that's what they are doing now as I've re read it all several times. I just wasn't sure why that wasn't the way to go from the beginning. I just thought a buyer would always go back to the seller. And the rest of legal mess would go the way it is going now. I've never bought foals so I was just confused. |
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Location: south central usa | Nita - 2016-01-26 4:29 PM
Sounds like business as usual for an insurance company. They typically try to get you to settle for as little as possible. If you got an attorney, they would probably cover your losses.
Strange they won't just get you the dang paperwork, tho! Seems like any reputable breeder would at least follow through with that.
from a fly on the wall perspective, if I was the breeder/vet from whom incorrect products were shipped, I wouldn't sign off on the papers either as that would be admitting fault on my part. morally - yes they should...from a business side - at this point no....yet it would have been easier- from a business perspective to save face at the onset (pay/agree to whatever) instead of having it drag on this long. sounds like poor management by someone |
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Location: West Texas | From a business side, it is always best to do what is morally right.
I feel like my first obligation as a business is to be ethical and morally conscience. As a customer, I feel doing business with morally correct individuals and businesses, is at the very top of my priority list.
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| runnink - 2016-01-28 11:29 AM
Nita - 2016-01-26 4:29 PM
Sounds like business as usual for an insurance company. They typically try to get you to settle for as little as possible. If you got an attorney, they would probably cover your losses.
Strange they won't just get you the dang paperwork, tho! Seems like any reputable breeder would at least follow through with that.
from a fly on the wall perspective, if I was the breeder/vet from whom incorrect products were shipped, I wouldn't sign off on the papers either as that would be admitting fault on my part. morally - yes they should...from a business side - at this point no....yet it would have been easier- from a business perspective to save face at the onset (pay/agree to whatever ) instead of having it drag on this long. sounds like poor management by someone
I would rather do business with someone who admitted to a mistake and worked to fix it, rather than someone who obviously made a mistake, won't admit to it, and wont do anything to make it right. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | lhighquality - 2016-01-28 9:47 AM
Some times it isn't about being right or wrong, it comes down to how the situation is handled that makes the difference!!!
What? It's NEVER bad to handle a business problem morally. Being a moral person is RIGHT. Whomever made the mistake needs to take responsibility for it and make the injured parties whole.
I'd also like to know what happened to the semen that didn't get put in the correct mare. That's another mystery. It was paid for but was it ever shipped? Then there's the stud fee to the desired stallion. That fee was paid but didn't result in a baby o/o the correct mare. If that semen was also used on the wrong mare, where is that foal and who has it?
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| Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle. |
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Location: Oklahoma | VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:09 PM
Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle.
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Location: NW. Florida | Tdove - 2016-01-28 11:43 AM From a business side, it is always best to do what is morally right. I feel like my first obligation as a business is to be ethical and morally conscience. As a customer, I feel doing business with morally correct individuals and businesses, is at the very top of my priority list.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | VetTv - 2016-01-28 2:09 PM Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle.
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Location: NW. Florida | runnink - 2016-01-28 11:29 AM Nita - 2016-01-26 4:29 PM Sounds like business as usual for an insurance company. They typically try to get you to settle for as little as possible. If you got an attorney, they would probably cover your losses. Strange they won't just get you the dang paperwork, tho! Seems like any reputable breeder would at least follow through with that. from a fly on the wall perspective, if I was the breeder/vet from whom incorrect products were shipped, I wouldn't sign off on the papers either as that would be admitting fault on my part. morally - yes they should...from a business side - at this point no....yet it would have been easier- from a business perspective to save face at the onset (pay/agree to whatever ) instead of having it drag on this long. sounds like poor management by someone
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| VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:09 PM
Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle.
When looking for a stud for my mare I will be researching the stud's owner and the vet that will be handling the semen on the stallion's side and the vet who will be breeding my mare. After reading this thread, I wouldn't even consider this stud or the vet who collects this horse's semen. So, yeah, as a prospective client, it is my business. |
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| VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:09 PM Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I just read this whole thread and the only thing I'm thinking is: Why on earth would you use your business name If you WERE NOT that Business (VetTV)... LOL As if we can't google Tehe
I believe that the vet in question being put on blast after having more than a year to rectify the situation, is not only fair but justifiable in this instance. I mean, If the vet actually cared enough to make the situation right, the foal would be registered and the owner, Or OP would be compensated. The lost semen would be found and no loose ends would be un done.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | sourkiss378 - 2016-01-28 1:34 PM VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:09 PM Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle. What you forgot to mention was that the stud owner is Dr. Leonards girlfriend... never mix business and pleasure they say....
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Location: Oklahoma | VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:44 PM
Is there any relation between you and the people you do business with? Or do you only do business with people that you don't like?
Considering many of us on here breed horses, we do research. It is a very small community. When there is a situation like this, it raises all sorts of red flags. The vet in question along with his girlfriend sure won't be getting business because of this. Why would we as breeders want to chance the semen of a less than quality stud be used in our mare in lieu of what we paid for? We would love for you to have the vet come on here and give his side of the story. The sire of the foal is NOT a quality stallion in the eyes of many breeders. There are other vets out there that are stand up and practice integrity. That is who I would give my business too. You have a vested interest in the vet, which is why you are posting what you are. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | TwistedK - 2016-01-28 1:48 PM VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:44 PM Is there any relation between you and the people you do business with? Or do you only do business with people that you don't like? Considering many of us on here breed horses, we do research. It is a very small community. When there is a situation like this, it raises all sorts of red flags. The vet in question along with his girlfriend sure won't be getting business because of this. Why would we as breeders want to chance the semen of a less than quality stud be used in our mare in lieu of what we paid for? We would love for you to have the vet come on here and give his side of the story. The sire of the foal is NOT a quality stallion in the eyes of many breeders. There are other vets out there that are stand up and practice integrity. That is who I would give my business too. You have a vested interest in the vet, which is why you are posting what you are.
Agreed. Between the two studs, The Stud whose semen was used is less than ideal in the case. He doesn't even compare to the one the OP originally chose in my opinion. |
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| Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered?
And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
I don't think any one would thnk this far if the semen straws were stolen or misplaced... |
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| bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM
Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered?
And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
I don't think it was stolen either. I would guess, based on the information here, it was an honest mistake that has turned into something dishonest by the vet practice due to their unwillingness to rectify the situation. |
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Location: Texas | TwistedK - 2016-01-28 1:13 PM VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:09 PM Amen to IHighQuality's comment! Finally someone with some professional sense speaks up on here. If this was handled directly instead of wasting time by trash talking in a chat room then everything might be settled by now. And to the others comments that have uncovered the big hidden secret that VetTv commented on here. That is hilarious!!! Uhhhhh, did you notice my name is VetTv? Did you notice that I said I worked with veterinarians every day and there was a better way to handle this? Did you notice that I said I knew and supported this veterinarian? No that was dismissed quickly. I was asked why was I so important to comment on here? I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah and it didn't matter that I supported the doctor. You had someone on here that knows this doctor personally but that wasn't important before. Everyone on here is so full of hate and I was told quickly they didn't care if I supported the dr. I know this doctor personally and he is a wonderful man. I am not involved in this case or the specifics. But I do monitor internet content about veterinarians that I know. That is what I do! You all know that there are good doctors and bad ones just like in any profession. Bad ones give good ones a bad wrap when this type of thing happens. You all can understand that. Just like bad breeders and bad trainers give good ones a bad wrap. Everyone jumps to conclusions that the doctor is evil or the breeder or trainer has to be a crook. We all deal with that in horses and we understand that and can be guilty of doing the same and jumping to conclusions. I tried to comment and mention that no one really knows the details about what has happened except for the doctor and the owner. I am sure they are both good people. Emotions run high when animals and their care are involved. I am a horse person too and I know they run really high when horses are involved. I am not hiding anything and tried to mention details in my first comments. But lots of details are being missed here because most of the chatters seem to be on a witch hunt in support of their friend. I understand that. I can just say that on the other side of this is a wonderful man and a talented doctor. There are some things you may have forgotten since you don't work with veterinarians every day. Did you know that there are things that doctors cannot disclose about clients and patients? Do you think that a doctor is going to come into a chat room and discuss a case? Just because you all are bashing him and think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING doesn't matter. You don't know everything about anything. And I am betting that the current owner of the foal doesn't either. She can't know everything because it sounds like she wasn't his client. It sounds like someone else was his client. It sounds like the owner doesn't have registration papers on this foal. Just curious, but in reading the details the owner mentioned, why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss. Do you want papers and the complete value of the loss/foal too? That is what it sounds like. Another detail that is hilarious that I picked up on. Why would the stud owner put the mare on the breeding report for the year of breeding when the stud owner did not know the mare was bred. Also, remember the stud owner is not the veterinarian. Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here also. And as far as the "stolen" semen straw. BTW that was hilarious. Why is that any of your business???????? Are you the client/stud owner. Hmmmm, nope! That is between the stud owner and the veterinarian. Remember that confidentiality thing I mentioned earlier. Anyway, just some thoughts that you might want to consider before you start bashing the next person that gets in the crosshairs of your craziness. Remember there are a lot of things you can't see when you are looking down the barrel of that rifle. Bless your heart. You're very special.
This entire post is simply a rant and ridiculous - especially the underlined portion.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | veintiocho - 2016-01-28 1:56 PM bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it. I don't think it was stolen either. I would guess, based on the information here, it was an honest mistake that has turned into something dishonest by the vet practice due to their unwillingness to rectify the situation.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it. ^^^^ THIS.......
edited to add: And after a YEAR, if the VET doesn't want to have his practices questioned or bashed, he should step up and rectify the situation...... that would be the PROFESSIONAL thing to do (since VetTV is so hung up on being PROFESSIONAL)
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Location: Oklahoma | NJJ - 2016-01-28 2:00 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
^^^^ THIS.......
The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | TwistedK - 2016-01-28 2:01 PM NJJ - 2016-01-28 2:00 PM bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it. ^^^^ THIS....... The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there.
NO......they were supposed to ship the semen of Vegas Resort.....they sent two straws .... one for Pearl and one for her sister (for embryos). Both were supposed to be from Vegas Resort NOT CBTG.
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| veintiocho - 2016-01-28 1:56 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM
Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered?
And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
I don't think it was stolen either. I would guess, based on the information here, it was an honest mistake that has turned into something dishonest by the vet practice due to their unwillingness to rectify the situation.
That's what I'm thinking as well. I'm thinking this could also be a problem with an insurance company that doesn't want to pay up, so the issue is being forced to go to court. |
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| TwistedK - 2016-01-28 2:01 PM
NJJ - 2016-01-28 2:00 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
^^^^ THIS.......
The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there.
The wrong semen was USED. Could be due to poor housekeeping, new employee, no double check system – whatever- it falls on the vet’s practice, and they are the ones needing to fix it.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I also wanted to ad:
We were discussing facts we knew about a case that has gone public by the vets unwillingness to work it out in private with thte parties involved. By taking it to court, the case becomes public. Everything in the courts paperwork that does not have a gag order is fair game by Law.
As a mare owner looking for a stallion prospect this year it is very good information to know about malpractices in Vet Clinics. Any Vet Clinic.
VetTV ranted about us as people and BB's (Chat room buddies), and bashed us not only as a person, but as horse owners as well as seen all through their long post. Going even as far to insult us saying we knew nothing about a veterinary practice or what a vet could and couldn't discuss. Before hand, from what I have read, I saw no bashing to you by us as a person or horse owner.
My question to you VetTV is why are we the ones who need to conduct ourselves in a business like manner, If you cannot do the same? Honest question. |
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| TwistedK - 2016-01-28 2:01 PM
NJJ - 2016-01-28 2:00 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
^^^^ THIS.......
The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there.
Uh, the whole problem is the fact this foal's daddy isn't Vegas Resort |
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| bennie1 - 2016-01-28 2:08 PM
TwistedK - 2016-01-28 2:01 PM
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bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
^^^^ THIS.......
The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there.
Uh, the whole problem is the fact this foal's daddy isn't Vegas Resort
Right, but the baby's daddy stands at the vet practice where the mare was AI'd. |
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| TwistedK - 2016-01-28 2:01 PM
NJJ - 2016-01-28 2:00 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
^^^^ THIS.......
The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there.
Ooohhhh, are you not getting that this same clinic also did the collections for Vegas Resort? They shipped the semen to Texas to inseminate the mares, they weren't t the ones doing the insemination
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| veintiocho - 2016-01-28 2:10 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 2:08 PM
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bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
^^^^ THIS.......
The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there.
Uh, the whole problem is the fact this foal's daddy isn't Vegas Resort
Right, but the baby's daddy stands at the vet practice where the mare was AI'd.
No, the semen was shipped to Texas where the mares were. The same clinic collects CBTG AND Vegas Resort |
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Location: Oklahoma | bennie1 - 2016-01-28 2:12 PM
TwistedK - 2016-01-28 2:01 PM
NJJ - 2016-01-28 2:00 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
^^^^ THIS.......
The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there.
Ooohhhh, are you not getting that this same clinic also did the collections for Vegas Resort? They shipped the semen to Texas to inseminate the mares, they weren't t the ones doing the insemination
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| TwistedK - 2016-01-28 2:14 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 2:12 PM
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bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
^^^^ THIS.......
The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there.
Ooohhhh, are you not getting that this same clinic also did the collections for Vegas Resort? They shipped the semen to Texas to inseminate the mares, they weren't t the ones doing the insemination
I had forgotten... I just reread everything... sorry
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| bennie1 - 2016-01-28 2:16 PM
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bennie1 - 2016-01-28 2:12 PM
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bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
^^^^ THIS.......
The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there.
Ooohhhh, are you not getting that this same clinic also did the collections for Vegas Resort? They shipped the semen to Texas to inseminate the mares, they weren't t the ones doing the insemination
I had forgotten... I just reread everything... sorry
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| As I mentioned, I work with veterinarians and monitor online activity. That is what I do. I am trying to be objective and offer information that might help start some thinking on here instead of bashing someone just because you like bashing people. Objective thinking and placing yourself on both sides is the only way that problems are resolved. Feel free to bash me too. I knew I would get bashed for speaking up with objective comments. Hopefully bashing me will give the doctor a little break! |
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| veintiocho - 2016-01-28 2:17 PM
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bennie1 - 2016-01-28 2:12 PM
TwistedK - 2016-01-28 2:01 PM
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bennie1 - 2016-01-28 1:50 PM Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered? And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
^^^^ THIS.......
The vet clinic is the premises where CBTG stands. So, the wrong semen wasn't shipped.... the stallion was there.
Ooohhhh, are you not getting that this same clinic also did the collections for Vegas Resort? They shipped the semen to Texas to inseminate the mares, they weren't t the ones doing the insemination
I had forgotten... I just reread everything... sorry
No worries
Oooh, I missed that! Thanks Bennie
No worries. ;)
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | bennie1 - 2016-01-28 11:50 AM
Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered?
And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
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| OregonBR - 2016-01-28 2:18 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 11:50 AM
Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered?
And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
You don't need papers for a rope horse.
No you don't. But it decreases the value of a foal exponentially. You know that. It would be a really stupid move to 'steal' the semen considering all that it takes in training etc. to make a winning rope horse and you wouldn't be able to sell on bloodlines
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Location: Texas | VetTv - 2016-01-28 2:17 PM As I mentioned, I work with veterinarians and monitor online activity. That is what I do. I am trying to be objective and offer information that might help start some thinking on here instead of bashing someone just because you like bashing people. Objective thinking and placing yourself on both sides is the only way that problems are resolved. Feel free to bash me too. I knew I would get bashed for speaking up with objective comments. Hopefully bashing me will give the doctor a little break!
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| I disagree. I did not say you all were buddies. I was told in my first comment (2 days ago) in the board that you all are buddies. I did not insult you but you are going to take anything I say as an insult. That is typical because I am not participating in your bashing and I don't agree with you. It is funny that I am getting private (supportive) messages now about the situation from very active forum members that knows the chatters in this group. |
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| Love it! "I'm thinking the vet did". "I'm thinking" is aka I assume. You know what that will get ya.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | bennie1 - 2016-01-28 12:20 PM
OregonBR - 2016-01-28 2:18 PM
bennie1 - 2016-01-28 11:50 AM
Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered?
And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
You don't need papers for a rope horse.
No you don't. But it decreases the value of a foal exponentially. You know that. It would be a really stupid move to 'steal' the semen considering all that it takes in training etc. to make a winning rope horse and you wouldn't be able to sell on bloodlines
The "thief" didn't pay for anything except putting the semen into the mare. If they are thieves why would they care about papers and retail price when they didn't pay anything for the semen or the stud fee? |
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bennie1 - 2016-01-28 11:50 AM
Am I the only one that thinks no one 'stole' the Vegas Resort semen as it would be relatively worthless without the mare being on the stallion report so the resulting foal could be registered?
And as far as nobody knowing what happened except the vet and the owner (which owner? Stallion or mare?). Weeelllll, it looks like it's pretty clear the wrong semen was sent. So that is a mistake, a screw up, negligence, whatever you want to call it.
You don't need papers for a rope horse.
No you don't. But it decreases the value of a foal exponentially. You know that. It would be a really stupid move to 'steal' the semen considering all that it takes in training etc. to make a winning rope horse and you wouldn't be able to sell on bloodlines
The "thief" didn't pay for anything except putting the semen into the mare. If they are thieves why would they care about papers and retail price when they didn't pay anything for the semen or the stud fee?
I'm still not buying it. I thought thieves stole things of value. But hey, thieves are rarely geniuses. I guess it could be an aspiring roper who is just in need of that great horse out of whatever mare he had cycling at the right moment, and in 5 or 6 years he'll know if it worked |
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Location: Grandfield, OK | To clear up a few things, in the beginning I contacted the vet, they said they didn't collect the yellow stud that day and there was no possible way. I got the DNA test back and proved it was Can't Bully This Guy as sire. They then admitted it was indeed their fault. He said he wanted receipts on charges to get the foal here. I told him I purchased the foal at 10 days old. I didn't hear from him for nearly a year. I tried several times to see if he had come to an agreement. When I threatened to go oublic, he turned it over to his insurance company. That was almost 10 months later. So I believe I have been plenty patient. I want no drama nor do I like to conduct business this way. I would like to have some sort of settlement so I will know what to do with the colt before he is too old. I have never been in any type of precadiment like this before so this is all new to me. If it were our fault, I would make my ammends whatever it may be and go on. |
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Location: Windoming | VetTv - 2016-01-28 1:27 PM Love it! "I'm thinking the vet did". "I'm thinking" is aka I assume. You know what that will get ya.
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Love it! "I'm thinking the vet did". "I'm thinking" is aka I assume. You know what that will get ya.
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Location: West Texas | I don't believe anyone knowingly stole Vegas Resorts semen to inseminate a mare and hopefully get a good rope horse, 6 years down the line. That is absurd. Be way easier, less dangerous, and just a smidge cheaper to buy a breeding to Vegas Resort. Then you would even get a registered horse that would in turn, actually make the process cheaper to buy the semen than steal it. Surely, no one here is being serious about that.
It is pretty obvious what happened. Some time between collection and insemination, "someone" made an honest mistake and the result is the offspring that doesn't match the breeders report, can't be registered unless the stallion owner participates, and is not contractually what was supposed to happen. The one on the hook, is the person that was responsible for collection and shipping the semen. That is really the only way to look at it. Is anyone claiming anything different? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Tdove - 2016-01-28 2:44 PM I don't believe anyone knowingly stole Vegas Resorts semen to inseminate a mare and hopefully get a good rope horse, 6 years down the line. That is absurd. Be way easier, less dangerous, and just a smidge cheaper to buy a breeding to Vegas Resort. Then you would even get a registered horse that would in turn, actually make the process cheaper to buy the semen than steal it. Surely, no one here is being serious about that. It is pretty obvious what happened. Some time between collection and insemination, "someone" made an honest mistake and the result is the offspring that doesn't match the breeders report, can't be registered unless the stallion owner participates, and is not contractually what was supposed to happen. The one on the hook, is the person that was responsible for collection and shipping the semen. That is really the only way to look at it. Is anyone claiming anything different?[/quote] You will have to ask VetTV........
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| Thank you Tdove! Finally some objective thinking. Not trash talk and bashing. |
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| LOL NJJ! You are awesome at stirring the pot. You can't let Tdove kill the drama. :) |
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Location: NW. Florida | Here's the crazy thing, it would cost the vet to rectify this situation.....but this post has been viewed almost 5,000 times. I would think that not retifying it would surely cost more in the long run. Everyone makes mistakes, but owning up to them would make you an professional. |
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Location: West Texas | cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 2:34 PM
To clear up a few things, in the beginning I contacted the vet, they said they didn't collect the yellow stud that day and there was no possible way. I got the DNA test back and proved it was Can't Bully This Guy as sire. They then admitted it was indeed their fault. He said he wanted receipts on charges to get the foal here. I told him I purchased the foal at 10 days old. I didn't hear from him for nearly a year. I tried several times to see if he had come to an agreement. When I threatened to go oublic, he turned it over to his insurance company. That was almost 10 months later. So I believe I have been plenty patient. I want no drama nor do I like to conduct business this way. I would like to have some sort of settlement so I will know what to do with the colt before he is too old. I have never been in any type of precadiment like this before so this is all new to me. If it were our fault, I would make my ammends whatever it may be and go on.
Felicia, what I don't get is why wont the stallion owner amend their breeding report to at least get your colt registered? If it were my stallion that was the accidental baby daddy, you would have that done like right now! Then, I would want to be part of the resolution from the responsible party for reimbursement for my stud fee. In reality, I would just forfeit it, knowing that you have a registered colt by my stud out this mare. So, what is the negative for them in this deal, to not provide you with at least a registered colt?
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Location: Grandfield, OK | Hey Vet tv, if I owned the yellow stud and were in this precadiment, irregardless of what my fee was, I would gladly want the foal to be registered. I am well aware of breeding practices as we have 3 studs and I even stood Vegas Resort for 1 season. If I forgot to put a mare on my breeding report, you can add it with a small fine to aqha. I am aware she didn't know (or think she didn't ) at the time she did turn in her report. Also, I would sure like to know how you would have handled this situation differently if it were you? |
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Location: Grandfield, OK | Trey, I have no idea. Coconut has never had a foal but she is herself a world champion calf horse and multiple aqha world qualifier in 3 events. Barrels, poles and tie down. She could only help prove her stud at worst |
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| haha this post has been viewed 5000 times by the same people over and over that are chatting. I am going to get some work done so I can ride my horse tonight instead of wasting more time in a chat room. Happy riding to you all! |
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| VetTv - 2016-01-28 2:55 PM
haha this post has been viewed 5000 times by the same people over and over that are chatting. I am going to get some work done so I can ride my horse tonight instead of wasting more time in a chat room. Happy riding to you all!
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Location: Oklahoma | bennie1 - 2016-01-28 2:58 PM
VetTv - 2016-01-28 2:55 PM
haha this post has been viewed 5000 times by the same people over and over that are chatting. I am going to get some work done so I can ride my horse tonight instead of wasting more time in a chat room. Happy riding to you all!
Ah, the point blank questions will go unanswered.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | VetTv - 2016-01-28 2:50 PM LOL NJJ! You are awesome at stirring the pot. You can't let Tdove kill the drama. :)
ME....you are the one posting long dissertations about how "wonderful" this vet is.....could it be because you have a "vested interest" in selling him your "network" and selling him (AND the stallion owner) advertising, etc.....YOU are the one who has posted long dissertations that are ANYTHING but professional and then dare to accuse others of not being "professional"..... IF that "wonderful" man WAS a professional he would have dispensed with this mess a LONG time ago....It is a PROVEN fact (that can not be denied) that the WRONG semen was sent....the ONLY person responsible would be the Vet or his employees.... the "professional" thing to do would be to not hang on for more than a YEAR to rectify the mistake. If you believe he or his clinic are being dissed and bashed, perhaps you should contact him and urge HIM to be the "professional" instead of trying to brow beat people on this thread to be quiet about the problem! |
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| Now i'm really confused and i think it's been asked before...but if she bought these foals...why does this not just go back to the person she bought the foals from? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I have been following this thread, very interesting I may say, can someone find the old thread that Cowboytravel started a year ago when this all came up and bump it up? I remember some of it I think but would like to read it again.. |
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| powerstroke power - 2016-01-28 3:00 PM
Now i'm really confused and i think it's been asked before...but if she bought these foals...why does this not just go back to the person she bought the foals from?
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Location: Texas | powerstroke power - 2016-01-28 3:00 PM Now i'm really confused and i think it's been asked before...but if she bought these foals...why does this not just go back to the person she bought the foals from?
Yes, as I understand it, she will have to sue the sellers, who will in turn have to sue the other players in this fiasco.
It is my understanding the OP has asked the vet to rectify the situation since they are at fault and has also asked for a breeders certificate for the foal (that she owns) resulting from the mess up.
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| I think the problem is with the insurance company. The vet drug his feet about turning it in, yes, but there's not much more he can do now that he HAS turned it in. He'll have to be sued and then the insurance company will come up with a settlement hopefully!
The stallion owner, now that's weird, not sure why she wouldn't release a breeders cert. Maybe you ****ed her off and that's her FU!
Good luck, seems like a long drawn out process, but that's what insurance companies are good at doing!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I'm guessing a moderator would have to bump the old thread up about this subject.. I cant find it  |
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| If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Tdove - 2016-01-28 12:44 PM
I don't believe anyone knowingly stole Vegas Resorts semen to inseminate a mare and hopefully get a good rope horse, 6 years down the line. That is absurd. Be way easier, less dangerous, and just a smidge cheaper to buy a breeding to Vegas Resort. Then you would even get a registered horse that would in turn, actually make the process cheaper to buy the semen than steal it. Surely, no one here is being serious about that.
It is pretty obvious what happened. Some time between collection and insemination, "someone" made an honest mistake and the result is the offspring that doesn't match the breeders report, can't be registered unless the stallion owner participates, and is not contractually what was supposed to happen. The one on the hook, is the person that was responsible for collection and shipping the semen. That is really the only way to look at it. Is anyone claiming anything different?
Cheaper than free? K whatever. I didn't really intend to imply that someone stole the semen. But when everyone ran with it I thought, OK that's one thing that might have happened. People have done more stoopid things than that for no real gain.
But if there were 2 or more doses of semen collected from the correct stallion. There still isn't anything saying what happened to the other semen. Was it shipped somewhere? Did they dump it down the sink or did they store it? Since nobody stepped up and said they had a colt by that yellow stud that isn't by the yellow stud, I was just wondering where the semen went. |
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Location: Midwest | VetTv,
As someone posting under the name of your business, I would expect your posts to be more professional. No only are you using incorrect grammar, you are also writing in a less than professional tone.
As as someone who works in a professional setting, I would urge you to take a look at how you are representing your business. Based on your comments here, I would not want your representation or association in a business setting.
As for me, I have no vested interest in the situation at hand; however, I do like to hear others' experiences and feedback regarding people in the horse industry. It is not a large community, and I am a hobbyist that likes to know the reputation of whom I might be dealing with. |
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Location: Canada | VetTv - 2016-01-28 3:30 PM
If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer.
VetTv what is it that you do? You keep saying you work with vets and in the industry but mention online work and checking forums and chat rooms for vets that you work with? I'm honestly curious what type of job this would be?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | VetTv - 2016-01-28 3:30 PM If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer.
Nice job at back pedaling and trying to throw the blame on everyone else for not being "professional"....in case you don't want to go back and read some of your "personal bashes" ....here. are a few.......Very Professional of YOU !!!!!
* The details in this thread are ridiculous.
* Anyone that has any sense will know that the statements in this thread do not make sense.
* do not KNOW what happened and neither do I. Behave accordingly.
* If you want drama, then you are accomplishing what you want.
* Are you a drama queen?
* If you want to waste time, then you are accomplishing that too
* I have never seen so many attorneys offering free services in one place
* I was told this was a group of friends, blah, blah, blah
* Everyone on here is so full of hate
* think you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING
* You don't know everything about anything
* why would you want papers on a foal that is such a disappointment and is a total loss
* Why would the stud owner give you the papers for registration when the stud and the owner are being bashed on here
* Why is that any of your business????????
* gets in the crosshairs of your craziness
* Your comment didn't even make sense
* bashing someone just because you like bashing people
and the favorite…..
* I did not insult you but you are going to take anything I say as an insult. That is typical because I am not participating in your bashing and I don't agree with you
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Location: Where I am happiest | Not only has VetTv been rude and condescending, but appearantly missed the memo that this has been going on for a YEAR now, and THE VET who sent the wrong semen, has made no attempt to make it right. And the stallion owner, who is THE VET'S GIRLFRIEND, has also refused to even try to do her part to make it right. Nor do either of them care to appearantly, nor does she have the intelligence to process what a bonus this could be to her stallion by having a REGISTERED foal out there out of one of the best mares on the planet!! What a feather in his cap it could be. But instead, BOTH would rather do nothing to even try to help rectify this situation. Both will never get a dime of MY business. EVER due to their lack of moral fiber to rectify this situation and there is no denying, it is THEIR screw up and they are the only ones who could have easily fixed this. |
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| most of the time we are posting on phones and small tablets, my tablet will jump if i hit a key too hard. and these poat are done by real people not lawyers. And for sake maybe not type every detail in a sentance that would be able to be scretiniized in a court of law, as it would be pages of unintegable google goble. but i would be mad as xxxx if this happenend to me, but i have had semen from a very advertised stallion only to not see that he has not many babies only to find out his semen ships at 15/25 percent. sent my hard earned money to pay the vet switched to another stallion hit it first time.
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Location: Grandfield, OK | VetTv - 2016-01-28 3:30 PM If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer.
Actually, I have not "bashed" anbody. The purpose of this post was to hopefully have the vet push on the Insurance Company to settle up with us. I will gladly right his name publically if it were to happen. If not, we will see them in court. There is no defense to his claim. I have been more than patient. VetTv seems to be the only one supportive here and it is obvious why. Don't blame her, she has to eat as well. What most don't know and has not been told as of yet is that the other colt that is by the correct stud is awesome and we turned down $40k for him. We expected no less out of this stud and he was purchased because of his breeding, the color was a bonus we thought. We are just honest God fearing people that are blessed to make a living with our horses. We don't raise junk. We had 3 horses we trained last year at the NFR and one other there that we raised. Three of these horses are by the same stallion that Vegas Resort is by. That's why we purchased these 2 colts. We just want a fair resolution. We had no plans to damage anybody's reputation nor do we like doing it. As far as the colt, he is not what we wanted nor purchased. He may be a nice colt but he doesn't fit our breeding program. He was purchased to breed mares. I have NO desires whatsoever to incorporate Can't Bully This Guy's pedigree into our roping horse breeding program. We own 3 studs and 11 broodmares and are very picky about our stallions. He is a high dollar gelding at this point, not what we wanted. If anybody has any questions, feel free to call, message or facebook me. |
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Location: Here | cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 7:34 PM VetTv - 2016-01-28 3:30 PM If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer. Actually, I have not "bashed" anbody. The purpose of this post was to hopefully have the vet push on the Insurance Company to settle up with us. I will gladly right his name publically if it were to happen. If not, we will see them in court. There is no defense to his claim. I have been more than patient. VetTv seems to be the only one supportive here and it is obvious why. Don't blame her, she has to eat as well. What most don't know and has not been told as of yet is that the other colt that is by the correct stud is awesome and we turned down $40k for him. We expected no less out of this stud and he was purchased because of his breeding, the color was a bonus we thought. We are just honest God fearing people that are blessed to make a living with our horses. We don't raise junk. We had 3 horses we trained last year at the NFR and one other there that we raised. Three of these horses are by the same stallion that Vegas Resort is by. That's why we purchased these 2 colts. We just want a fair resolution. We had no plans to damage anybody's reputation nor do we like doing it. As far as the colt, he is not what we wanted nor purchased. He may be a nice colt but he doesn't fit our breeding program. He was purchased to breed mares. I have NO desires whatsoever to incorporate Can't Bully This Guy's pedigree into our roping horse breeding program. We own 3 studs and 11 broodmares and are very picky about our stallions. He is a high dollar gelding at this point, not what we wanted. If anybody has any questions, feel free to call, message or facebook me.
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| SG. - 2016-01-28 7:40 PM cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 7:34 PM VetTv - 2016-01-28 3:30 PM If you look back at my post which is in writing :) I did not write a long post about the vet. I could write a long post about the vet but you don't care and you don't want to hear that. I wrote a long post offering some questions and offering some objective thinking. You all can ask me questions all day about the situation and you will not get an answer because I do not know about the situation. I offered what I do know about the veterinary industry. I did not say that you all didn't know anything about the veterinary industry. But I do work in it every day and that could have some value. It doesn't matter how I would handle the situation. It doesn't matter how you would handle the situation. Because you and I do not know the situation based on this chat forum and the info that has been shared. I have offered all that I know to offer you all to help. I did not do this because I have a vested interest in the doctor or the stud owner. It is possible for someone to chat without having a vested interest. Afterall, you all are chatting and you do not have a vested interest in either side as well. I saw the chat because of my job and my work online with my customers. My job is to educate pet parents. I was trying to provide some education on veterinary confidentiality. But instead of using that information to understand things, the bashing continues. Like I said, that is all I have to offer. Actually, I have not "bashed" anbody. The purpose of this post was to hopefully have the vet push on the Insurance Company to settle up with us. I will gladly right his name publically if it were to happen. If not, we will see them in court. There is no defense to his claim. I have been more than patient. VetTv seems to be the only one supportive here and it is obvious why. Don't blame her, she has to eat as well. What most don't know and has not been told as of yet is that the other colt that is by the correct stud is awesome and we turned down $40k for him. We expected no less out of this stud and he was purchased because of his breeding, the color was a bonus we thought. We are just honest God fearing people that are blessed to make a living with our horses. We don't raise junk. We had 3 horses we trained last year at the NFR and one other there that we raised. Three of these horses are by the same stallion that Vegas Resort is by. That's why we purchased these 2 colts. We just want a fair resolution. We had no plans to damage anybody's reputation nor do we like doing it. As far as the colt, he is not what we wanted nor purchased. He may be a nice colt but he doesn't fit our breeding program. He was purchased to breed mares. I have NO desires whatsoever to incorporate Can't Bully This Guy's pedigree into our roping horse breeding program. We own 3 studs and 11 broodmares and are very picky about our stallions. He is a high dollar gelding at this point, not what we wanted. If anybody has any questions, feel free to call, message or facebook me. I hate this has drug out for you... And I get your point of view in this. Talk about a terrible disapointment.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Vet needs to fix this period. Dude, get your crap together. If you are AI'ing, make sure you are injecting the right sperm! Stallion owner.....what are you thinking???? IT IS PEARLS SISTER! Vet: you or your office staff messed up! Do the right thing! Foal owner: if none of this works out, I would like to hear your price for that grade foal. I may be interested. |
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Location: Midwest | Just a thought, but if the colt was mine, I'd register with the half quarter horse assoc to prove age and parentage of the mare. It's not the best outcome, but an option for the future if nothing works out via the court system.
I personally think the stud owner has made a mistake here. This colt will do nothing but help the reputation of his sire. That's a breeding I would do for free if I owned him, considering the circumstances. What a missed business opportunity this was for the stud owner! |
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Location: N Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2016-01-28 3:29 PM
I'm guessing a moderator would have to bump the old thread up about this subject.. I cant find it
If I remember correctly, that thread got zapped. Not sure why, but I remember reading it one minute and it was gone the next. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gunner11 - 2016-01-29 1:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-01-28 3:29 PM I'm guessing a moderator would have to bump the old thread up about this subject.. I cant find it If I remember correctly, that thread got zapped. Not sure why, but I remember reading it one minute and it was gone the next.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gunner11 - 2016-01-29 1:59 PM Who is the BB who has a running baby zebra as their profile pic?
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Location: N Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2016-01-29 2:05 PM
Gunner11 - 2016-01-29 1:59 PM Who is the BB who has a running baby zebra as their profile pic?
I remember the little Zerba, of course I cant remember the name of the BB.
She posted info on the original thread that only someone involved with, or personally knew the involved parties would know. Makes me wonder if she is also VetTV. |
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Location: Grandfield, OK | Gunner11 - 2016-01-29 1:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-01-28 3:29 PM I'm guessing a moderator would have to bump the old thread up about this subject.. I cant find it If I remember correctly, that thread got zapped. Not sure why, but I remember reading it one minute and it was gone the next.
The original post was taken down by me because the vet contacted me and I thought he was ready to neogotiate. Guess not, so it flared up again and will continue to do so. My attorney is working on it as I have still heard nothing from Vet, Stallion owner nor Insurance company. I'll keep ya posted ! Thanks all. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Chasem - 2016-02-02 11:42 AM I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion.
I would forward your concerns to the Stallions owner about helping to try and make this situation right. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Chasem - 2016-02-02 12:42 PM
I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You obviously think highly of him to have 2 of his offspring. However, the OP has a royally bred mare that has a colt by this stallion that was not what was expected or wanted. I personally would not want anything by this stallion. He's not stud material. |
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Location: NW. Florida | equussynergy - 2016-02-02 12:50 PM Chasem - 2016-02-02 11:42 AM I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion. I would forward your concerns to the Stallions owner about helping to try and make this situation right.
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Chasem - 2016-02-02 12:42 PM
I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You obviously think highly of him to have 2 of his offspring. However, the OP has a royally bred mare that has a colt by this stallion that was not what was expected or wanted. I personally would not want anything by this stallion. He's not stud material.
I agree with Twisted, the semen that was used was from a stallion that is not even remotely close to the caliber of horse that Vegas is. Nobody is offering $40k for this stallions colts, and honestly probably never will. An 8 year old stallion that's never accomplished anything and doesn't have any foals of the ground doing anything spectacular isn't exactly what I would call a "rising star" who's future might be tarnished by this.
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2016-02-02 11:59 AM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 10:51 AM Chasem - 2016-02-02 12:42 PM I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You obviously think highly of him to have 2 of his offspring. However, the OP has a royally bred mare that has a colt by this stallion that was not what was expected or wanted. I personally would not want anything by this stallion. He's not stud material. I agree with Twisted, the semen that was used was from a stallion that is not even remotely close to the caliber of horse that Vegas is. Nobody is offering $40k for this stallions colts, and honestly probably never will. An 8 year old stallion that's never accomplished anything and doesn't have any foals of the ground doing anything spectacular isn't exactly what I would call a "rising star" who's future might be tarnished by this.
Personally if I was the owner of that Stallion, I would register this colt in a hot second and do everything in my power to see him grow to be a competitor! Talk about an opportunity that the stallion owner is throwing away!
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Location: Oklahoma | equussynergy - 2016-02-02 1:03 PM
The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2016-02-02 11:59 AM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 10:51 AM Chasem - 2016-02-02 12:42 PM I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You obviously think highly of him to have 2 of his offspring. However, the OP has a royally bred mare that has a colt by this stallion that was not what was expected or wanted. I personally would not want anything by this stallion. He's not stud material. I agree with Twisted, the semen that was used was from a stallion that is not even remotely close to the caliber of horse that Vegas is. Nobody is offering $40k for this stallions colts, and honestly probably never will. An 8 year old stallion that's never accomplished anything and doesn't have any foals of the ground doing anything spectacular isn't exactly what I would call a "rising star" who's future might be tarnished by this.
I agree. Even if the colt were gelded, that stallion will most likely never see a mare of that caliber on his books again. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Chasem - 2016-02-02 10:42 AM
I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion.
The stallion owner and the vet/boyfriend had the opportunity to head off most of the backlash from this "mistake". They chose the wrong way to handle it. So it's on their head what happens with public opinion. |
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The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2016-02-02 11:59 AM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 10:51 AM Chasem - 2016-02-02 12:42 PM I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You obviously think highly of him to have 2 of his offspring. However, the OP has a royally bred mare that has a colt by this stallion that was not what was expected or wanted. I personally would not want anything by this stallion. He's not stud material. I agree with Twisted, the semen that was used was from a stallion that is not even remotely close to the caliber of horse that Vegas is. Nobody is offering $40k for this stallions colts, and honestly probably never will. An 8 year old stallion that's never accomplished anything and doesn't have any foals of the ground doing anything spectacular isn't exactly what I would call a "rising star" who's future might be tarnished by this.
I agree. Even if the colt were gelded, that stallion will most likely never see a mare of that caliber on his books again.
Like what a poor decision on their part to not hop on registering this foal.... |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Chasem - 2016-02-02 12:42 PM
I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion.
I don't think anything could hurt his reputation if he doesn't have one. I tried using Google to find him and couldn't. No website, nothing. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | OregonBR - 2016-02-02 1:08 PM Chasem - 2016-02-02 10:42 AM I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion. The stallion owner and the vet/boyfriend had the opportunity to head off most of the backlash from this "mistake". They chose the wrong way to handle it. So it's on their head what happens with public opinion.
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Location: N Texas | rockette - 2016-02-02 1:25 PM
Chasem - 2016-02-02 12:42 PM
I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion.
I don't think anything could hurt his reputation if he doesn't have one. I tried using Google to find him and couldn't. No website, nothing.
It took way more searching than it should have, but I found it...
http://www.cantbullythisguy.com/
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? |
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Location: N Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM
So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand?
The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Chasem - 2016-02-02 12:42 PM I am not taking sides on this matter or involved in who is right or wrong, but I have 2 colts by this stallion. I am concerned all the negative statements I have read about the stallion on this thread will hurt future sales. The stallion is young and has not been proven yet. Everyone is allowed to have there feeling about this situation, but please respect others feelings about the future of this stallion.
The vet used the wrong semen on this mare, this is wrong in so many ways and not even trying to made it better in anyway, SO what would you do if this had happen to you?? I think the OP has every right to do what she is doing, the Vet and girlfriend has had plenty of time to make it right. So tell us what makes the stallion so awesome in your books? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding.
What the he** is wrong with these people? And what makes the stud so special of the girlfriends? |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding.
Not sure...I just pulled him up from the above link. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | total performance - 2016-02-02 2:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding.
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Location: Oklahoma | Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:01 PM
total performance - 2016-02-02 2:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding.
he's a buckskin..... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:01 PM total performance - 2016-02-02 2:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. he's a buckskin.....
Yep, thats all hes got going for him. He did earn a little money, lol And I mean little.. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:12 PM
TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:01 PM total performance - 2016-02-02 2:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. he's a buckskin.....
lol... he's not even a pretty buckskin... and I'm a sucker for buckskins |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:15 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:12 PM
TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:01 PM total performance - 2016-02-02 2:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. he's a buckskin.....
lol... he's not even a pretty buckskin... and I'm a sucker for buckskins
The big dark spots or circles distract from his coat color. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:15 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:12 PM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:01 PM total performance - 2016-02-02 2:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. he's a buckskin..... lol... he's not even a pretty buckskin... and I'm a sucker for buckskins
LOL, I knew a roper that would collect buckskins, he didnt care what the breeding was how they looked if they had 5 legs, if they were a bronc he bought them all. Buckskins were the only color he would ride.
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Location: Oklahoma | Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:23 PM
TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:15 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:12 PM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:01 PM total performance - 2016-02-02 2:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. he's a buckskin..... lol... he's not even a pretty buckskin... and I'm a sucker for buckskins
I like a nice buckskin but they have got to be put together nice and have a brain,,
I've got the buckskin gelding in my avatar picture... just sold that buckskin stallion of mine with the blaze, and we have a buckskin roan... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:39 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:23 PM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:15 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:12 PM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:01 PM total performance - 2016-02-02 2:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. he's a buckskin..... lol... he's not even a pretty buckskin... and I'm a sucker for buckskins
I like a nice buckskin but they have got to be put together nice and have a brain,, I've got the buckskin gelding in my avatar picture... just sold that buckskin stallion of mine with the blaze, and we have a buckskin roan...
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Location: Kansas and loving it | TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:39 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:23 PM
TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:15 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:12 PM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:01 PM total performance - 2016-02-02 2:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. he's a buckskin..... lol... he's not even a pretty buckskin... and I'm a sucker for buckskins
I like a nice buckskin but they have got to be put together nice and have a brain,,
I've got the buckskin gelding in my avatar picture... just sold that buckskin stallion of mine with the blaze, and we have a buckskin roan...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rockette - 2016-02-02 3:52 PM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:39 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:23 PM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:15 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:12 PM TwistedK - 2016-02-02 3:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 3:01 PM total performance - 2016-02-02 2:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. he's a buckskin..... lol... he's not even a pretty buckskin... and I'm a sucker for buckskins
I like a nice buckskin but they have got to be put together nice and have a brain,, I've got the buckskin gelding in my avatar picture... just sold that buckskin stallion of mine with the blaze, and we have a buckskin roan... I would love to see a picture of a buckskin roan!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | mbcruel21 - 2016-02-02 3:32 PM I noticed that as well, the huge spots/bloches..Is he dirty? I mean If I was going to advertise my horse with balls atleast Id make sure he was clean for pictures.... This is a video of him at the BFA with Dalene riding him......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7O3rCEQSRI&feature=youtu.be
and advertised on VetTv......
http://www.vettv.net/video/16645
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Location: Up and over to the right | So the girlfriend IS vettv?! Dunnn dunnn dunnn… the drama continues! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ChasingCans04 - 2016-02-02 5:35 PM So the girlfriend IS vettv?! Dunnn dunnn dunnn… the drama continues!
Dummm dummm dummm is right, RJ make it a little better just send in the stud report with the OP's mare on it.. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | ChasingCans04 - 2016-02-02 5:35 PM So the girlfriend IS vettv?! Dunnn dunnn dunnn… the drama continues!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ChasingCans04 - 2016-02-02 5:35 PM So the girlfriend IS vettv?! Dunnn dunnn dunnn… the drama continues!
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Location: Midwest | ChasingCans04 - 2016-02-02 5:35 PM So the girlfriend IS vettv?! Dunnn dunnn dunnn… the drama continues!
http://www.lewisprises.com No
this company/these folks own VetTv.
It is public record per their terms of use. Company owners can be looked up on the internet pretty easily.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2016-02-02 6:11 PM ChasingCans04 - 2016-02-02 5:35 PM So the girlfriend IS vettv?! Dunnn dunnn dunnn… the drama continues! NO.....they just advertise on VetTV's network.
Vet tv dont own him as far as I can tell CBTG is in West Plains Mo..
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Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding.
Maybe it's what SHE'S got that's so special
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Chandler's Mom - 2016-02-02 11:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. Maybe it's what SHE'S got that's so special Yep, I went there---sorry!!
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | astreakinchic - 2016-02-03 6:42 AM Are these the same ppl that owned A Sharp Frenchman??
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astreakinchic - 2016-02-03 6:42 AM Are these the same ppl that owned A Sharp Frenchman??
Looks like it from the website.
They are no strangers to dealing with high class mares and embryos. Mulberry had two embryos by him (referring to A Sharp Frenchman). I spoke with them about buying some colts after pistol hit big. They seemed like good people. I wonder what the hang up is...
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | total performance - 2016-02-03 7:05 AM astreakinchic - 2016-02-03 6:42 AM Are these the same ppl that owned A Sharp Frenchman?? Looks like it from the website.
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Location: Nebraska | it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it. |
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What I can not figure out is why don't they just register the colts.......a mistake was made and why not just correct it and go on................. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CJE - 2016-02-03 2:34 PM What I can not figure out is why don't they just register the colts.......a mistake was made and why not just correct it and go on.................
Agreed......the only "hang-up" I could see would be not being paid for the stud fee....but gees....that would certainly be ignorant when you take into account the quality of the mare......it would be beneficial to the stud's reputation to sire that colt? IMO !!! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 8:29 AM it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it.
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Location: Midwest | brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 9:29 AM it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it.
I don't think so. When the op contacted the vet the first time, he said it could not have been from the yellow stud as he was not collected that day. He also would not have turned the claim in to his insurance if he did nothing wrong. |
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Location: Nebraska | wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 2:41 PM brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 8:29 AM it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it. what good would that do? Neither own the resulting foal. So one party owns the mare, one owns the wrong stallion. The OP owns the resulting screw up and wants papers on it. Maybe I missed something though?
no, it wouldn't do any good but could be a reason the op is getting the run around. It was just a question that popped into my head. Do we know for sure the seller of the embryos had no idea? people lie all the time. not trying to point blame just trying to see from all sides. |
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Location: Nebraska | barrelracr131 - 2016-02-03 3:30 PM
brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 9:29 AM it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it.
I don't think so. When the op contacted the vet the first time, he said it could not have been from the yellow stud as he was not collected that day. He also would not have turned the claim in to his insurance if he did nothing wrong.
true but that's not to say that seller of the embryos isn't going to get a chunk of that.... |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 2:33 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 2:41 PM brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 8:29 AM it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it. what good would that do? Neither own the resulting foal. So one party owns the mare, one owns the wrong stallion. The OP owns the resulting screw up and wants papers on it. Maybe I missed something though?
It's a good point. The thing is one big mess. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 3:45 PM
brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 2:33 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 2:41 PM brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 8:29 AM it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it. what good would that do? Neither own the resulting foal. So one party owns the mare, one owns the wrong stallion. The OP owns the resulting screw up and wants papers on it. Maybe I missed something though?
Agree, never thought about the embryo side of it. |
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Location: N Texas | rockette - 2016-02-03 3:53 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 3:45 PM
brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 2:33 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 2:41 PM brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 8:29 AM it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it. what good would that do? Neither own the resulting foal. So one party owns the mare, one owns the wrong stallion. The OP owns the resulting screw up and wants papers on it. Maybe I missed something though?
Agree, never thought about the embryo side of it.
She didn't buy embryos, she bought live foals after they were on the ground. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2016-02-02 3:41 PM
CJE - 2016-02-03 2:34 PM What I can not figure out is why don't they just register the colts.......a mistake was made and why not just correct it and go on.................
Agree and considering the stud fee..........the vet should pay that.........and all can move on. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Gunner11 - 2016-02-03 4:37 PM
rockette - 2016-02-03 3:53 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 3:45 PM
brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 2:33 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 2:41 PM brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 8:29 AM it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it. what good would that do? Neither own the resulting foal. So one party owns the mare, one owns the wrong stallion. The OP owns the resulting screw up and wants papers on it. Maybe I missed something though?
Agree, never thought about the embryo side of it.
She didn't buy embryos, she bought live foals after they were on the ground.
True, however, I was thinking whoever flushed the embryo and fertilized it could be at fault. I am just asking, kind of confusing. :) |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | rockette - 2016-02-03 3:47 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-03 4:37 PM rockette - 2016-02-03 3:53 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 3:45 PM brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 2:33 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 2:41 PM brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 8:29 AM it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it. what good would that do? Neither own the resulting foal. So one party owns the mare, one owns the wrong stallion. The OP owns the resulting screw up and wants papers on it. Maybe I missed something though? Agree, never thought about the embryo side of it. She didn't buy embryos, she bought live foals after they were on the ground. True, however, I was thinking whoever flushed the embryo and fertilized it could be at fault. I am just asking, kind of confusing. : )
I remember from the origional post that they knew something was wrong because the foal was born a color not possible had it been by the correct stallion. I believe it is a pali? Why would you pay for this then, a live foal that is a color not possible if the genetics were correct? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 5:08 PM rockette - 2016-02-03 3:47 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-03 4:37 PM rockette - 2016-02-03 3:53 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 3:45 PM brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 2:33 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-03 2:41 PM brlracerchick - 2016-02-03 8:29 AM it may have been talked about earlier and I may have missed it, but how do we know the person that sold these embryos and the vet didn't already come to an agreement and leave the op hanging? I'm not blaming anyone, just something that popped into my head as I was reading. What a horrible situation to be in no matter how you look at it. what good would that do? Neither own the resulting foal. So one party owns the mare, one owns the wrong stallion. The OP owns the resulting screw up and wants papers on it. Maybe I missed something though? Agree, never thought about the embryo side of it. She didn't buy embryos, she bought live foals after they were on the ground. True, however, I was thinking whoever flushed the embryo and fertilized it could be at fault. I am just asking, kind of confusing. : )
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Location: South Central Florida | What I don't understand is the DNA proved it is NOT the stud they paid for, so if the DNA can prove it is the "other" stud, if I were the stud owner, to me it would make me look good to fix this. If he feels he was screwed out of a stud fee, what ever the issue, it makes them look bad also.
I would bet if this colt ever does anything great....everyone will want to claim it.
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Location: Arkansas | total performance - 2016-02-03 7:02 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2016-02-02 11:04 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:43 PM Gunner11 - 2016-02-02 1:38 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-02 1:34 PM So the Vet and girlfriend will not Reg the foal, is this what I understand? The owner of Cantbullythisguy will not add the mare to the breeding report in order to register the foal, is my understanding. Maybe it's what SHE'S got that's so special Yep, I went there---sorry!!
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| I had to file the breeding report myself ( and the owner was court ordered to sign) and pay for it, to get my colt registered. Can not understand why they won't add the mare, just plain bad business, if you ask me, not matter how you look at it.
I hate the litigious road so easily taken, but if I were the OP or the owner of such a highly proven performance mare I would be suing their pants off since they are so unwilling to make things right
I don't know both sides, but obviously someone screwed up and it wasn't the mare owner or the OP.....make it right!!! |
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Location: Grandfield, OK | The colt was purchased at 10 days old. I can assure you that the gentleman that bought the embryo, paid the stud fee, paid the vet fee to have the embryo transferred into the recipient mare and fed that mare for a year wanted a Vegas Resort foal. There was absolutely no wrong doing on his part, nor the owner of Vegas Resort. The vet screwed up, or somebody in his clinic did. They agreed it was their fault. Now litigation is now in order to reclaim the losses and there lies the problem. I can not imagiine why the stallion owner, I now know is Rhonda Jones won't put the mare on her breeding report. He can only prove her stallion. We have no idea where the missing vial of Vegas Resort semen is, nobody showed up with a foal that was supposed to be by Can't Bully This Guy and was by Vegas Resort. We are going to fight this out in court it looks like. Somebody is going to have a very large attorney bill and it won't be anybody that didn't have fault. It's just a shame it has to come to this. That baby wasn't cheap, never was planned to be either. Most embyo transfer babies are made because somebod felt they would be great horses. This was no exception. |
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Location: Central Montana | I am not in the breeding business so this question is ONLY for those of you who own stallions....how many of you would amend a report to include a mare you never received any stud fees on? If you did, what steps would you then have to take to get your fees? |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | GoinJettin - 2016-02-06 9:56 PM
I am not in the breeding business so this question is ONLY for those of you who own stallions....how many of you would amend a report to include a mare you never received any stud fees on? If you did, what steps would you then have to take to get your fees?
In this case, that's a bit of an over simplification with some missing information. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | GoinJettin - 2016-02-06 7:56 PM
I am not in the breeding business so this question is ONLY for those of you who own stallions....how many of you would amend a report to include a mare you never received any stud fees on? If you did, what steps would you then have to take to get your fees?
For this mare, I would put her on the breeding report as fast as I could. No charge. Chances are this mare's foal could help promote a good share of the stallions out there. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | cowboytravel - 2016-02-06 9:57 AM The colt was purchased at 10 days old. I can assure you that the gentleman that bought the embryo, paid the stud fee, paid the vet fee to have the embryo transferred into the recipient mare and fed that mare for a year wanted a Vegas Resort foal. There was absolutely no wrong doing on his part, nor the owner of Vegas Resort. The vet screwed up, or somebody in his clinic did. They agreed it was their fault. Now litigation is now in order to reclaim the losses and there lies the problem. I can not imagiine why the stallion owner, I now know is Rhonda Jones won't put the mare on her breeding report. He can only prove her stallion. We have no idea where the missing vial of Vegas Resort semen is, nobody showed up with a foal that was supposed to be by Can't Bully This Guy and was by Vegas Resort. We are going to fight this out in court it looks like. Somebody is going to have a very large attorney bill and it won't be anybody that didn't have fault. It's just a shame it has to come to this. That baby wasn't cheap, never was planned to be either. Most embyo transfer babies are made because somebod felt they would be great horses. This was no exception.
I am curious. If it was purchased at 10 days old, and was a color that was not possible if by VR. Why was it still purchased? Was it not known about the color possibility? I know that is very common, until recently there were some color combos I guess I would have not known about. |
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Location: Okemah,OK | wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-07 2:10 PM
cowboytravel - 2016-02-06 9:57 AM The colt was purchased at 10 days old. I can assure you that the gentleman that bought the embryo, paid the stud fee, paid the vet fee to have the embryo transferred into the recipient mare and fed that mare for a year wanted a Vegas Resort foal. There was absolutely no wrong doing on his part, nor the owner of Vegas Resort. The vet screwed up, or somebody in his clinic did. They agreed it was their fault. Now litigation is now in order to reclaim the losses and there lies the problem. I can not imagiine why the stallion owner, I now know is Rhonda Jones won't put the mare on her breeding report. He can only prove her stallion. We have no idea where the missing vial of Vegas Resort semen is, nobody showed up with a foal that was supposed to be by Can't Bully This Guy and was by Vegas Resort. We are going to fight this out in court it looks like. Somebody is going to have a very large attorney bill and it won't be anybody that didn't have fault. It's just a shame it has to come to this. That baby wasn't cheap, never was planned to be either. Most embyo transfer babies are made because somebod felt they would be great horses. This was no exception.
I am curious. If it was purchased at 10 days old, and was a color that was not possible if by VR. Why was it still purchased? Was it not known about the color possibility? I know that is very common, until recently there were some color combos I guess I would have not known about.
I was initially unsure if the baby was already born or still in utero but now understand that these were several day old babies. If the mare is sorrel and the desired stud is Bay Roan, did the purchaser not question why this one was yellow? I agree the breeder should add this colt to the breeding report.... Only excuse I can fathom is the close relationship to the vet. He may or may not advising her to sit still until this all hashes out? Doesn't make it right, but the court may see that as admission of guilt or acceptance to making restitution??? |
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| kakbarrelracer - 2016-02-06 9:44 PM
GoinJettin - 2016-02-06 7:56 PM
I am not in the breeding business so this question is ONLY for those of you who own stallions....how many of you would amend a report to include a mare you never received any stud fees on? If you did, what steps would you then have to take to get your fees?
For this mare, I would put her on the breeding report as fast as I could. No charge. Chances are this mare's foal could help promote a good share of the stallions out there.
I agree. With what this stud has done, it's highly unlikely he would have ever gotten this caliber of a rope mare to breed had there not been the screw up in semen. Why wouldn't you put her on the breeding report? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Lets also not forget the DNA verified sire stands for $750. $500 if early booked. So he's far from a $4000 or more stud fee type of sire. They should just add the mare to the breeding report and thank their lucky star's he has one out there from one of the best mares on the planet. |
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Location: sunny california | Honestly knowing now how they run their business(vet and stallion owner) I doubt they have any sense so i would not do buisness with them. anyone not smart enough to add that mare to a report is making a buisness mistake. that colt could make other colts by that stallion worth more by making him look good. when i was looking to breed/buy a colt I was looking at stallion owners that promote their stallion and in a good way! |
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Location: Grandfield, OK | whiplashranch - 2016-02-08 12:40 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-02-07 2:10 PM cowboytravel - 2016-02-06 9:57 AM The colt was purchased at 10 days old. I can assure you that the gentleman that bought the embryo, paid the stud fee, paid the vet fee to have the embryo transferred into the recipient mare and fed that mare for a year wanted a Vegas Resort foal. There was absolutely no wrong doing on his part, nor the owner of Vegas Resort. The vet screwed up, or somebody in his clinic did. They agreed it was their fault. Now litigation is now in order to reclaim the losses and there lies the problem. I can not imagiine why the stallion owner, I now know is Rhonda Jones won't put the mare on her breeding report. He can only prove her stallion. We have no idea where the missing vial of Vegas Resort semen is, nobody showed up with a foal that was supposed to be by Can't Bully This Guy and was by Vegas Resort. We are going to fight this out in court it looks like. Somebody is going to have a very large attorney bill and it won't be anybody that didn't have fault. It's just a shame it has to come to this. That baby wasn't cheap, never was planned to be either. Most embyo transfer babies are made because somebod felt they would be great horses. This was no exception. I am curious. If it was purchased at 10 days old, and was a color that was not possible if by VR. Why was it still purchased? Was it not known about the color possibility? I know that is very common, until recently there were some color combos I guess I would have not known about. I was initially unsure if the baby was already born or still in utero but now understand that these were several day old babies. If the mare is sorrel and the desired stud is Bay Roan, did the purchaser not question why this one was yellow? I agree the breeder should add this colt to the breeding report.... Only excuse I can fathom is the close relationship to the vet. He may or may not advising her to sit still until this all hashes out? Doesn't make it right, but the court may see that as admission of guilt or acceptance to making restitution???
I completely agree. Call it my ignorance on color genetics. The mares sire is a dun and I assumed this was the slight chance that made him a palomino. I now know differently. I know a lot more about a lot of things, lol. |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? Say what?????????
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Location: Where I am happiest | rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM
I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare?
WOW! Seriously?? Is that hearsay or did you find a article or something we can read? |
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Location: CTX | rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare?
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| rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM
I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare?
I heard that too.... I thought someone on here or facebook said it happened to them. Hmm... I'll have to dig around |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ThreeCorners - 2016-02-10 11:21 AM rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? WOW! Seriously?? Is that hearsay or did you find a article or something we can read?
Sounds like a bunch of "BULL" to me.......but IF it was on the internet, after all, it must be true! LOL |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | I read it from someone responding to the OP on her Facebook. I am asking if the person said it as a joke or if it is real. |
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| NJJ - 2016-02-10 12:09 PM
ThreeCorners - 2016-02-10 11:21 AM rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? WOW! Seriously?? Is that hearsay or did you find a article or something we can read?
I was thinking the same thing. Unless the vet or staff member admitted to their incompetence there would have been now way of knowing. |
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ThreeCorners - 2016-02-10 11:21 AM rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? WOW! Seriously?? Is that hearsay or did you find a article or something we can read?
I was thinking the same thing. Unless the vet or staff member admitted to their incompetence there would have been now way of knowing.
I haven't seen the post so I may be way off, but could it possibly be they were referring to the Cant Bully This Guy stud as Bull?? |
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Location: Oklahoma | WrapN3MN - 2016-02-10 12:34 PM
cyount2009 - 2016-02-10 12:25 PM
NJJ - 2016-02-10 12:09 PM
ThreeCorners - 2016-02-10 11:21 AM rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? WOW! Seriously?? Is that hearsay or did you find a article or something we can read?
I was thinking the same thing. Unless the vet or staff member admitted to their incompetence there would have been now way of knowing.
I haven't seen the post so I may be way off, but could it possibly be they were referring to the Cant Bully This Guy stud as Bull??
It was on facebook.
****** Mc***** We had a mare last year that the vet AI'd with bull semen. Not a happy face.
Felicia Miller Wow. Was there a baby born ? Lol
****** Mc***** No baby.lol But a classic. |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | TwistedK - 2016-02-10 12:44 PM WrapN3MN - 2016-02-10 12:34 PM cyount2009 - 2016-02-10 12:25 PM NJJ - 2016-02-10 12:09 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-02-10 11:21 AM rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? WOW! Seriously?? Is that hearsay or did you find a article or something we can read? I was thinking the same thing. Unless the vet or staff member admitted to their incompetence there would have been now way of knowing. I haven't seen the post so I may be way off, but could it possibly be they were referring to the Cant Bully This Guy stud as Bull?? It was on facebook. ****** Mc***** We had a mare last year that the vet AI'd with bull semen. Not a happy face. Felicia Miller Wow. Was there a baby born ? Lol ****** Mc***** No baby.lol But a classic.
It wasn't the same vet.
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Location: Oklahoma | ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-10 1:24 PM
TwistedK - 2016-02-10 12:44 PM WrapN3MN - 2016-02-10 12:34 PM cyount2009 - 2016-02-10 12:25 PM NJJ - 2016-02-10 12:09 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-02-10 11:21 AM rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? WOW! Seriously?? Is that hearsay or did you find a article or something we can read? I was thinking the same thing. Unless the vet or staff member admitted to their incompetence there would have been now way of knowing. I haven't seen the post so I may be way off, but could it possibly be they were referring to the Cant Bully This Guy stud as Bull?? It was on facebook. ****** Mc***** We had a mare last year that the vet AI'd with bull semen. Not a happy face. Felicia Miller Wow. Was there a baby born ? Lol ****** Mc***** No baby.lol But a classic.
Sorry, I should have clarified that. But, you're correct. Not the same vet |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | TwistedK - 2016-02-10 1:25 PM
ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-10 1:24 PM
TwistedK - 2016-02-10 12:44 PM WrapN3MN - 2016-02-10 12:34 PM cyount2009 - 2016-02-10 12:25 PM NJJ - 2016-02-10 12:09 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-02-10 11:21 AM rockette - 2016-02-10 10:43 AM I have been hunting around for others who were cheated by the vet in question. Is it true he put bull semen in a mare? WOW! Seriously?? Is that hearsay or did you find a article or something we can read? I was thinking the same thing. Unless the vet or staff member admitted to their incompetence there would have been now way of knowing. I haven't seen the post so I may be way off, but could it possibly be they were referring to the Cant Bully This Guy stud as Bull?? It was on facebook. ****** Mc***** We had a mare last year that the vet AI'd with bull semen. Not a happy face. Felicia Miller Wow. Was there a baby born ? Lol ****** Mc***** No baby.lol But a classic.
Sorry, I should have clarified that. But, you're correct. Not the same vet
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Secondly, go after the Bully stallions owner such as having to register the babies and pay for ALL registration fees associated with it.
Heck at this rate I'd be so ****ed I'd make them pay for the ink Id have to fill the forms out with because the Bully studs registered name is longer than the original stud...Lol
I had a vet mess up with an injection once. We got a lawyer within days. The vet turned it into insurance almost immediately, paid for ALL vet bills which included multiple surgeries, and paid for the purchasing price of the horse which also included the winnings I had on her.
I lucked out with the vet, but just wanted to let you know to not settle for a small amount at all. This is a ridiculous situation that could have easily been taken care of by now.
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