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| My husband and I were having a "discussion" about this.
What are the pros and cons of both and what do you prefer to feed?
What do you think is better? |
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Location: West Texas | http://ker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Grain-Processing-Does-It-...
For most applications, I think whole oats are superior. They are higher in fat and nutrients. We add crimped oats for weanlings only and whole for everything else.
Edited by Tdove 2016-01-28 11:30 AM
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| There was a big thread on this last week. Tdove on here provided some great information. DO a google search for " Rolled and whole oats barrel horse world" and I bet you will have lots of reading. Whole is better, less processed. If your horse has good teeth and a healthy hind gut, whole is the only way to go. |
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  Whack and Roll
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This ^^^^^. Definitely whole oats. |
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The Advice Guru
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| As soon as you crack the hull you are looking nutrients.
If you absolutely want rolled, get the freshest possible. Sadly there are bags of feed that were rolled 6-12 months before sold |
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Location: North Dakota | Whole oats all the way. I don't think I need to restate all the info, but all around they are superior for pretty much all situations. |
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| Whole oats...but if you can get clipped, (different then crimped) from a reliable source, those are the best. |
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| I mentioned feeding whole oats to my vet and she about killed over and said that horses have a difficult time withwhole oats? So i have been trying to do research and all i can find is that its only a problem with older horses that cant chew and horses that have hind gut issues. Anyone else have info? Im intrigued about curost but a little nervous too because its so different then what i have been taught.
Also can someone tell me nutritional value of whole oats. |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | I don't use my oats as a meal, but rather a medium in which to put the supplement I feed. I only feed a half scoop of whole oats once daily. Yes, they do have nutrional value (the most nutrient dense of any oat) and are an energy source, but I rely on my forage and the nutrients in my supplement to supply my primary nutrition. If I have a horse who is needing additonal energy, then I will increase the oats a bit, but would never feed more than 2 pounds at a time. |
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| paturninburnin89 - 2016-01-28 11:02 AM
I mentioned feeding whole oats to my vet and she about killed over and said that horses have a difficult time withwhole oats? So i have been trying to do research and all i can find is that its only a problem with older horses that cant chew and horses that have hind gut issues. Anyone else have info? Im intrigued about curost but a little nervous too because its so different then what i have been taught.
Also can someone tell me nutritional value of whole oats.
MOst vets, including mine, are ignorant ( Yes, ignorant simply means uneducated) on horse nutrition. Somehow somewhere in a text book it said horses can't digest whole oats. lol My vet is excellent but is the first to admit they only had about 2 days in 4+ years of vet school devoted to equine nutrition. SO many vets try and learn about nutrition from FEED COMPANIES and the nutritionists that work for them. lol Its not really their fault, they are just uneducated.
My vet has actually CALLED ME to consult on other horses she sees that clients are having issues with . Dr. Schell at Curost just happens to have spent a LOT of time focusing on this specific area so is very knowledgeable. I have ALWAYS ALWAYS wondered why in human medicine we have GP's and family doctors and then a million " Specialists". I think vets need the same. Have a general vet but also a network of GI, lameness, specialists etc. I guess there are some but its not a different licence. THey are all DVM, some just choose to really focus on an area.
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Location: West Texas | Oats, unprocessed, dry
0.25 cup
Nutrient Amount DRI/DV% Nutrient Density Rating
manganese 1.92 mg 96 11.4 excellent
molybdenum 28.86 mcg 64 7.6 excellent
phosphorus 203.97 mg 29 3.5 very good
copper 0.24 mg 27 3.2 good
biotin 7.80 mcg 26 3.1 good
vitamin B1 0.30 mg 25 3.0 good
magnesium 69.03 mg 17 2.0 good
fiber 4.13 g 17 2.0 good
chromium 5.38 mcg 15 1.8 good
zinc 1.55 mg 14 1.7 good
protein 6.59 g 13 1.6 good
Edited by Tdove 2016-01-28 1:51 PM
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| Great answers, that really clarifies everything about oats. I agree we need more specialist in the equine field. Its impossible for one person to have knowledge of such a huge spectrum with everything that is related with horses. So on a performance horse what would your diet be for that horse? |
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| Thank you for this! |
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Location: West Texas | Maybe this will be better.
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Location: West Texas | paturninburnin89 - 2016-01-28 1:02 PM
I mentioned feeding whole oats to my vet and she about killed over and said that horses have a difficult time withwhole oats? So i have been trying to do research and all i can find is that its only a problem with older horses that cant chew and horses that have hind gut issues. Anyone else have info? Im intrigued about curost but a little nervous too because its so different then what i have been taught.
Also can someone tell me nutritional value of whole oats.
Here is an easier to read version of the article, based on actual research.
http://ker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Grain-Processing-Does-It-... |
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| I would completely feed whole oats BUT do what you think is best for your horse. we have one horse that chews whole oats and digests them awsome maybe only a few oat sprouts in the poo. On the other hand we have a mare with good teeth that after a month of feeding whole oats just didn't chew them enough. Every hull I picked apart from her poo was whole with the good stuff still inside and after a few days her piles looked like a garden of sprouts and we don't even feed alot at most 2 lbs a day. I know weird to look into poo but I like doing my own experiments and after reading article after article of people saying if you see hull it's just the hull not the oat I thought well why don't I just see for my self. SO do what you think is best BUT a whole oats is superior. |
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| I just started feeding whole FLAX. I tried to look through the manure to see if I could see any and I can't. lol But they are so small I wonder if they are just not visible.. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | FLITASTIC - 2016-01-28 3:21 PM I just started feeding whole FLAX. I tried to look through the manure to see if I could see any and I can't. lol But they are so small I wonder if they are just not visible..
I don't ever see flax and I feed it whole as well.  |
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| The crazy things we do for our horses! Lol
On a serious note i am going to give this a try once im done with the grain i bought. Besides oats and quality hay do you add anything else and about how much? |
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Location: Willows, CA | FLITASTIC - 2016-01-28 3:21 PM
I just started feeding whole FLAX. I tried to look through the manure to see if I could see any and I can't. lol But they are so small I wonder if they are just not visible..
You will not see flax in the manure because the seeds are so small and the feed rate is typically so low that the horse is able to break it down completely in the small intestine. There was a time when flax was thought to only be effective if ground. More recent testing has shown that a healthy horses digestive system is capable of breaking whole flax down if fed in small amounts. Oats, if fed at higher rates often pass through the small intestine overwhelming the amylase enzyme present to arrive undigested in the hind gut. In most cases it would ferment here and be broken down, though this is not necessarily a good thing. If you feed a grass hay diet, the transit time through the hind gut is pretty fast and undigested oats, or other grains, can be moved out before fermentation can occur. In this case you will see it in the manure. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | style="font-family:Arial; font-size:16px; color:#000000"> Just because you see oats in the manure doesn't mean they didn't get the good out of them. Fat cattle fed shelled corn have whole kernels in their manure all the time |
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Location: SW North Dakota | There is a decent article on oats on this page, along with a video (dated, but still good info). It's specific to one company, but I think it gives you good information to ask your oat supplier regarding quality of whole oats. :)
http://woodysfeed.com/articles.html
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| Bumping this back up. I fed WHole flax for 2 weeks and saw good results. Just for fun I bought a coffee grinder on sale and decided to grind the seeds up to see if there was any difference what so ever. Sure enough there was!!!! My horse did " Good" on whole but MAN O MAN he looks even better and more sheen with it freshly ground for him. |
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I just read the headlines
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-02-02 2:28 PM
Bumping this back up. I fed WHole flax for 2 weeks and saw good results. Just for fun I bought a coffee grinder on sale and decided to grind the seeds up to see if there was any difference what so ever. Sure enough there was!!!! My horse did " Good" on whole but MAN O MAN he looks even better and more sheen with it freshly ground for him.
Thanks alot, Flitastic! I finally simply my feeding regimen and now I am rethinking it, lol. JK |
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| GLP - 2016-02-02 12:35 PM
FLITASTIC - 2016-02-02 2:28 PM
Bumping this back up. I fed WHole flax for 2 weeks and saw good results. Just for fun I bought a coffee grinder on sale and decided to grind the seeds up to see if there was any difference what so ever. Sure enough there was!!!! My horse did " Good" on whole but MAN O MAN he looks even better and more sheen with it freshly ground for him.
Thanks alot, Flitastic! I finally simply my feeding regimen and now I am rethinking it, lol. JK
I grind it fresh now. It gets fed in like 5 minutes. My EASY keeper gets WHOLE, harder keeper, ground.. lol |
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