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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Yes he cheated and he's now a last resort vote for me. I have no use for dirty politicians and he showed his true colors. Hillary and Bernie are the only worse options in my eyes. |
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Location: North Texas | I've not seen the email. However, per News Reports I have seen CNN started that rumor. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | foundation horse - 2016-02-04 8:40 AM I've not seen the email. However, per News Reports I have seen CNN started that rumor.
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-05 6:41 AM foundation horse - 2016-02-04 8:40 AM I've not seen the email. However, per News Reports I have seen CNN started that rumor. Don't care. He knew what he was doing.
That's it. He knew what the email implied. And when ABC confronted him, he went on the attack. NOPE. |
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Location: Florida.. | Yes he did.. CNN just stated carson was going to fl... he was to a prayer breakfast . then cruz asap put out a tweet Carson was withdrawing..and he also put violation things in mail.. but the fact he did this is wrong on so many levels.. hes a weasel... there is dirty ways and there is dirty ways.. this is one of those Hillary ways..
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From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
^^^^ THIS.......of course it WAS on the internet so it MUST be true.....Cruz isn't my first choice but really folks, one of my favorites, Carson, wasn't going to win in Iowa and your favorite Trump was NOT going to get his voters anyway!
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:16 AM GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-05 7:44 AM NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:16 AM GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | RidenFly - 2016-02-04 9:52 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-05 7:44 AM NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:16 AM GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
Cruz, himself, did not do it but one of his staffers.....does that make him guilty or inept? IN the heat of the caucuses, do you think that Cruz, himself, is going to "monitor" every little thing going on around him.....of course, it would benefit Trump to jump on this to cover up the sh*t that he has thrown out about others. His statement......
One day after winning the Iowa caucuses, Cruz issued an apology to Carson after his staff falsely told Iowa caucusgoers that Carson planned to quit the race, calling it a "mistake."
Cruz said in a statement Tuesday that his campaign staff saw a CNN report that Carson was dropping out, although CNN had not characterized Carson's actions that way.
"Last night when our political team saw the CNN post saying that Dr. Carson was not carrying on to New Hampshire and South Carolina, our campaign updated grassroots leaders just as we would with any breaking news story," Cruz said in a statement first shared with CNN. "That's fair game. What the team then should have done was send around the follow-up statement from the Carson campaign clarifying that he was indeed staying in the race when that came out." |
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Location: Montana | NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:14 AM RidenFly - 2016-02-04 9:52 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-05 7:44 AM NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:16 AM GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
Cruz said in a statement Tuesday that his campaign staff saw a CNN report that Carson was dropping out, although CNN had not characterized Carson's actions that way.
"Last night when our political team saw the CNN post saying that Dr. Carson was not carrying on to New Hampshire and South Carolina, our campaign updated grassroots leaders just as we would with any breaking news story," Cruz said in a statement first shared with CNN. "That's fair game. What the team then should have done was send around the follow-up statement from the Carson campaign clarifying that he was indeed staying in the race when that came out."
In my opinion, just from the article I read (from CNN), it sounds more like sour grapes in Ben Carson's part.
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Location: Windoming | "Cruz, himself, did not do it but one of his staffers.....does that make him guilty or inept? IN the heat of the caucuses, do you think that Cruz, himself, is going to "monitor" every little thing going on around him.....of course, it would benefit Trump to jump on this to cover up the sh*t that he has thrown out about others. His statement......"
He is responsible for the actions of his staff. Someone has to be accountable. I don't consider this a "little thing", as I'm sure Ben Carson doesn't either!
If he can't control his staff, how is he ever going to run a country?
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:16 AM GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
No one said that Carson's votes would go to Trump. Most likely any votes would have went to Cruz and that could have cost Trump the win. It was odd how the polls all showed Trump ahead and then after the vote Cruz wins? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-04 10:29 AM NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:16 AM GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
And if you truly believe the "polls", you are living in a fantasy world......how many times, do you suppose that voters don't answer their phone but the dummy down the road does???? IMO, Carson's votes would have, more than likely, gone to Rubio.....
Trump's delusion is that he didn't win because Iowa voters didn't give him enough credit for funding his own campaign.....maybe they just DIDN'T want him.....novel idea?
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | And then you have the mailer that Cruz sent out. That was pretty sketchy too. |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | NJJ - 2016-02-04 10:35 AM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-04 10:29 AM NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:16 AM GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
Trump's delusion is that he didn't win because Iowa voters didn't give him enough credit for funding his own campaign.....maybe they just DIDN'T want him.....novel idea?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Silly Filly - 2016-02-04 10:29 AM "Cruz, himself, did not do it but one of his staffers.....does that make him guilty or inept? IN the heat of the caucuses, do you think that Cruz, himself, is going to "monitor" every little thing going on around him.....of course, it would benefit Trump to jump on this to cover up the sh*t that he has thrown out about others. His statement......"
He is responsible for the actions of his staff. Someone has to be accountable. I don't consider this a "little thing", as I'm sure Ben Carson doesn't either!
If he can't control his staff, how is he ever going to run a country?
Give me a break.......how many times in ANY campaign, any capitalistic business, any government office has anyone did a wrong thing....he DID take the blame for the ineptness of his staffer.....but that doesn't mean that he KNEW about it and could have stopped it OR that he ACTUALLY did something wrong himself....really scraping the barrel here to "bash" Cruz.....And I don't even support the man........ |
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Location: Texas | I already had questions in my mind about Cruz. I know that he said on his loan from Goldman Sachs that he just forgot to enter it on one form. Seriously? I am pretty sure there was probably a little box that said "all loans", how do you overlook a million dollar loan? And now this. The Cruz camp knew long before the caucauses started that Carson was not dropping out, yet at many of the caucauses his staff were telling people that Carson had dropped out and telling them to support Cruz. In fact at one of them Dr Carson's wife was in attendance and had to set the record straight. I am so over lying politicians I could scream. This just put the last nail in the coffin for Cruz for me |
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Location: West Texas | The polls going into Iowa have been wrong the last three presidential campaign cycles. One reason is that many have not made up their minds and the whole idea of the Caucus is to convince voters to stay with you or join you. It is not like a primary. Also, the Democrats and Republicans do it differently. Also, the shear number of Republican candidates and the state of the Republican voter, lends to much uncertainty of any polls. In a Caucus vote, campaign infrastructure is very important. Cruz had this and it showed dividends for him. If polls were the only thing that mattered, well...we wouldn't really need an election?
Bottom line, this is mostly CNNs fault for poor journalism, in my opinion. The Cruz camp was trying to make their case for voting Cruz. This is kind of what a Caucus does. If the CNN report had been true, then what happened would have been completely acceptable. Instead, the report was vague and the Cruz people didn't look close enough at what was really happening. This is something that could have happened to any of the campaigns, and I am hearing now that Rubio's people were reporting the same thing. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | The only respectable actions I find in this whole deal are that he apologized (sort of), and he didn't shift blame and fire the scape goat. After the fact, of course, after the damage was done. I don't believe they "misread" anything. I also don't believe that trump is taking up the cause in defense of Ben Carson, because he probably would have done the same crap if he had thought of it. I'm feeling very cynical today. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-04 11:12 AM The only respectable actions I find in this whole deal are that he apologized (sort of), and he didn't shift blame and fire the scape goat. After the fact, of course, after the damage was done. I don't believe they "misread" anything. I also don't believe that trump is taking up the cause in defense of Ben Carson, because he probably would have done the same crap if he had thought of it. I'm feeling very cynical today.
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Location: Windoming | NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:39 AM Silly Filly - 2016-02-04 10:29 AM "Cruz, himself, did not do it but one of his staffers.....does that make him guilty or inept? IN the heat of the caucuses, do you think that Cruz, himself, is going to "monitor" every little thing going on around him.....of course, it would benefit Trump to jump on this to cover up the sh*t that he has thrown out about others. His statement......"
He is responsible for the actions of his staff. Someone has to be accountable. I don't consider this a "little thing", as I'm sure Ben Carson doesn't either!
If he can't control his staff, how is he ever going to run a country?
Give me a break.......how many times in ANY campaign, any capitalistic business, any government office has anyone did a wrong thing....he DID take the blame for the ineptness of his staffer.....but that doesn't mean that he KNEW about it and could have stopped it OR that he ACTUALLY did something wrong himself....really scraping the barrel here to "bash" Cruz.....And I don't even support the man........
How many times have government heads had to resign because of something their staffers did???????? They, at least, were held accountable. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Silly Filly - 2016-02-04 11:23 AM NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:39 AM Silly Filly - 2016-02-04 10:29 AM "Cruz, himself, did not do it but one of his staffers.....does that make him guilty or inept? IN the heat of the caucuses, do you think that Cruz, himself, is going to "monitor" every little thing going on around him.....of course, it would benefit Trump to jump on this to cover up the sh*t that he has thrown out about others. His statement......"
He is responsible for the actions of his staff. Someone has to be accountable. I don't consider this a "little thing", as I'm sure Ben Carson doesn't either!
If he can't control his staff, how is he ever going to run a country?
Give me a break.......how many times in ANY campaign, any capitalistic business, any government office has anyone did a wrong thing....he DID take the blame for the ineptness of his staffer.....but that doesn't mean that he KNEW about it and could have stopped it OR that he ACTUALLY did something wrong himself....really scraping the barrel here to "bash" Cruz.....And I don't even support the man........
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Location: Florida.. | Ill hold my stance not that it matters.. Cruz is a weasel and he played dirty and I dont care what you all post or feel.lol |
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Location: Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-02-04 5:44 PM Ill hold my stance not that it matters.. Cruz is a weasel and he played dirty and I dont care what you all post or feel.lol
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | jbhoot - 2016-02-04 7:53 PM Dirty tricks in politics OH MY!!!.........Politics is a blood sport people..... Is it right NO.... Will it continue YES.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | BrightEyes - 2016-02-04 1:11 AM
Something about Ted Cruz has creeped me out from the beginning. He reminds me of a slimy used car salesman. JMO........
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Too bad the people that are making a real big deal of this about Cruz isn't making a real big deal of what Killary and Obama continually do that are the real big deals. Obama continues to divide this country and is trying to sink it but everyone seems to turn their heads. |
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Location: Kentucky | Nevertooold - 2016-02-05 12:05 PM Too bad the people that are making a real big deal of this about Cruz isn't making a real big deal of what Killary and Obama continually do that are the real big deals. Obama continues to divide this country and is trying to sink it but everyone seems to turn their heads.
Because if you bad mouth Obama you are a racist, and if you bad mouth Hilary you are a misogynist. Can't win either way. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Murphy - 2016-02-05 11:08 AM Nevertooold - 2016-02-05 12:05 PM Too bad the people that are making a real big deal of this about Cruz isn't making a real big deal of what Killary and Obama continually do that are the real big deals. Obama continues to divide this country and is trying to sink it but everyone seems to turn their heads. Because if you bad mouth Obama you are a racist, and if you bad mouth Hilary you are a misogynist. Can't win either way.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Nevertooold - 2016-02-04 12:05 PM
Too bad the people that are making a real big deal of this about Cruz isn't making a real big deal of what Killary and Obama continually do that are the real big deals. Obama continues to divide this country and is trying to sink it but everyone seems to turn their heads.
I think we all have.............unfortunately it makes no difference.......both Hillary and Obama are on the protected list.......no matter what they do say etc.........it does not matter....... |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Nevertooold - 2016-02-05 11:05 AM Too bad the people that are making a real big deal of this about Cruz isn't making a real big deal of what Killary and Obama continually do that are the real big deals. Obama continues to divide this country and is trying to sink it but everyone seems to turn their heads.
It would be a cold day in hell before I voted for Killary. I don't like what Cruz did and hope he loses the nomination, this deal kind of cemented what I was already thinking, but I would sure as heck choose him over either one on the other side. I would just have to hold my nose while I did it. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:16 AM
GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
............ and THIS mindset is exactly what is wrong with this country today... This is "politics as usual" and people like you see nothing wrong with it..... You see a half truth and refuse to acknowledge the part that is a lie. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | komet. - 2016-02-05 2:03 PM NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:16 AM GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
............ and THIS mindset is exactly what is wrong with this country today... This is "politics as usual" and people like you see nothing wrong with it..... You see a half truth and refuse to acknowledge the part that is a lie.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | RidenFly - 2016-02-05 3:36 PM I'm behind the times, but this wasn't just an email. It was also a robocall all across Iowa. I heard it on T.V. and there is no denying what this campaign's intentions were. I'm sorry, but you can't put lipstick on a pig and still call it okay. This was wrong. And I genuinelly like much of what Cruz says. He was my choice for a long time. Not any more.
Palin was the poster child for Lipstick on a pig and you were all in on that.
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RidenFly - 2016-02-05 3:36 PM I'm behind the times, but this wasn't just an email. It was also a robocall all across Iowa. I heard it on T.V. and there is no denying what this campaign's intentions were. I'm sorry, but you can't put lipstick on a pig and still call it okay. This was wrong. And I genuinelly like much of what Cruz says. He was my choice for a long time. Not any more.
Palin was the poster child for Lipstick on a pig and you were all in on that.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | EnterUp - 2016-02-05 4:07 PM 1DSoon - 2016-02-05 2:41 PM RidenFly - 2016-02-05 3:36 PM I'm behind the times, but this wasn't just an email. It was also a robocall all across Iowa. I heard it on T.V. and there is no denying what this campaign's intentions were. I'm sorry, but you can't put lipstick on a pig and still call it okay. This was wrong. And I genuinelly like much of what Cruz says. He was my choice for a long time. Not any more. Palin was the poster child for Lipstick on a pig and you were all in on that.
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So are you accusing her of supporting Obama and Hillary? Those are the only two pigs I see people trying to put lipstick on
I'm not accusing anyone of anything.
I was just pointing out a bit of irony.
I have no dog in this fight, I not eligible to vote anyway.
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komet. - 2016-02-05 2:03 PM NJJ - 2016-02-04 9:16 AM GLP - 2016-02-04 9:09 AM Tdove - 2016-02-04 9:05 AM From what I can tell, the facts of the case show Cruz and team did nothing wrong. He was even so upstanding as to apologize to Carson, which I don't think he needed to do. I agree.
Do you REALLY know if or how many of Carson supporters swapped support....NO.....
IMO, you will see a big shake-up in the next month (after NH & SC) due to those dropping from the race. Huckabee, Rand Paul and Santorium have already dropped. Santorium has thrown his support behind Rubio. I don't think Trump will pick up support from the Paul camp but he "might" get a few of the Huckabee supporters.....
............ and THIS mindset is exactly what is wrong with this country today... This is "politics as usual" and people like you see nothing wrong with it..... You see a half truth and refuse to acknowledge the part that is a lie.
1 or 2?? I have not met Trump yet... But he's not a politician... I didn't meet RR but I never caught him in a lie. You folks are just catching up on Cruz??
and before the mods pitch a fit... This picture made all the national news sites...
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Hawty & Nawty
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| 1DSoon - 2016-02-06 1:36 PM EnterUp - 2016-02-05 4:07 PM 1DSoon - 2016-02-05 2:41 PM RidenFly - 2016-02-05 3:36 PM I'm behind the times, but this wasn't just an email. It was also a robocall all across Iowa. I heard it on T.V. and there is no denying what this campaign's intentions were. I'm sorry, but you can't put lipstick on a pig and still call it okay. This was wrong. And I genuinelly like much of what Cruz says. He was my choice for a long time. Not any more. Palin was the poster child for Lipstick on a pig and you were all in on that.
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So are you accusing her of supporting Obama and Hillary? Those are the only two pigs I see people trying to put lipstick on
I was just pointing out a bit of irony.
I have no dog in this fight, I not eligible to vote anyway.
If you're going to insult me, at least get it right. Palin joked during the 08 GNC, that making her the VP was like putting lipstick on a PITTBULL.
For all the crud i've been given about my support of Palin and how I can't let it go, it sure seems to me that it's you guys that can't let it go. I still think she's a terrific lady. Her flash in the pan was a hell of a long flash, and its not over according to Trump. She certainly wasn't the DEATH of him either because now he enjoys a 30 % lead in the polls.
I wish we could just stick to the topics instead of trying to get those zingers on each other. Most of us are on the same side anyway. I think it's B.S. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | RidenFly - 2016-02-05 5:27 PM 1DSoon - 2016-02-06 1:36 PM EnterUp - 2016-02-05 4:07 PM 1DSoon - 2016-02-05 2:41 PM RidenFly - 2016-02-05 3:36 PM I'm behind the times, but this wasn't just an email. It was also a robocall all across Iowa. I heard it on T.V. and there is no denying what this campaign's intentions were. I'm sorry, but you can't put lipstick on a pig and still call it okay. This was wrong. And I genuinelly like much of what Cruz says. He was my choice for a long time. Not any more. Palin was the poster child for Lipstick on a pig and you were all in on that.
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So are you accusing her of supporting Obama and Hillary? Those are the only two pigs I see people trying to put lipstick on
I was just pointing out a bit of irony.
I have no dog in this fight, I not eligible to vote anyway.
For all the crud i've been given about my support of Palin and how I can't let it go, it sure seems to me that it's you guys that can't let it go. I still think she's a terrific lady. Her flash in the pan was a hell of a long flash, and its not over according to Trump. She certainly wasn't the DEATH of him either because now he enjoys a 30 % lead in the polls.
I wish we could just stick to the topics instead of trying to get those zingers on each other. Most of us are on the same side anyway. I think it's B.S.
Just to be clear....I don't know what poll that you found has him with a 30 point "lead" ????
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
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| CJE - 2016-02-05 9:46 AM
BrightEyes - 2016-02-04 1:11 AM
Something about Ted Cruz has creeped me out from the beginning. He reminds me of a slimy used car salesman. JMO........
Lol worse he's a lawyer
This guy gives off a very strong smarmy vibe and has for a while. Plus, when he doesn't get his way he behaves like a 5 year old who just got told he can't have a pony for his birthday.....on the senate floor no less. It wasn't just his staff, like his campaign staff that received the info, it was all the surrogates at the meetings. He had a great ground game going and he used it to cheat. He, his staff and surrogates knew exactly what they were doing.
He was never on the top of my list, and frankly this type of behavior from Cruz is not at all a surprising. Just a didn't expect the weasely stuff to be trotted out at the first primary. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | BrightEyes - 2016-02-05 1:11 AM
Something about Ted Cruz has creeped me out from the beginning. He reminds me of a slimy used car salesman. JMO........
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | Honestly it really doesn't matter if he cheated which i am sure he did... He can't beat Hillary or Sanders so I really do not want to see him with the nomination |
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Location: SE Louisiana | cruise - 2016-02-05 6:03 PM
BrightEyes - 2016-02-05 1:11 AM
Something about Ted Cruz has creeped me out from the beginning. He reminds me of a slimy used car salesman. JMO........
Reminds me of Grandpa on the Munsters.
OK... I know a few "slimy used car salesman." and Ima tell them you insulted them by comparing them to Cruz...... and Ima tell them where to find you too!!! |
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| i never liked cruz, but had nothing but an feeling, but after the ia cacuas i know that ted cruz is worse than a 65 year old used car salesman. he can argue but he cant talk to you.. i will tell go backmti canada. anchor baby |
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| ted did cheat also did hilaray did also. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | daisycake123 - 2016-02-05 10:08 PM
ted did cheat also did hilaray did also.
Got pics??? |
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Sock Snob
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| To change the subjuct. the lady who helped Rubio win his first election ms. Schlafly is now against rubio saying some not so nice things. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | daisycake123 - 2016-02-06 6:52 AM To change the subjuct. the lady who helped Rubio win his first election ms. Schlafly is now against rubio saying some not so nice things.
They ALL do that.. women always try the fifteen minutes of fame stuff.. |
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Location: So. California | How does Cruz qualify for natural born citizen if he was born in Canada? Wasn't that the entire birther argument? Not born on US soil? I'm so confused.... |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Anniemae - 2016-02-06 5:15 PM
How does Cruz qualify for natural born citizen if he was born in Canada? Wasn't that the entire birther argument? Not born on US soil? I'm so confused....
Oh gimmi a break!!! My father was in the USAF and stationed in Japan when I was born... So... I was Made in Japan... (but I'm a product of American labor)
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Anniemae - 2016-02-06 5:15 PM How does Cruz qualify for natural born citizen if he was born in Canada? Wasn't that the entire birther argument? Not born on US soil? I'm so confused....
Weren't both his parents citizens? I think the previous birther argument was born to non-citizen father on foreign soil. |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-02-05 3:36 PM EnterUp - 2016-02-05 4:07 PM 1DSoon - 2016-02-05 2:41 PM RidenFly - 2016-02-05 3:36 PM I'm behind the times, but this wasn't just an email. It was also a robocall all across Iowa. I heard it on T.V. and there is no denying what this campaign's intentions were. I'm sorry, but you can't put lipstick on a pig and still call it okay. This was wrong. And I genuinelly like much of what Cruz says. He was my choice for a long time. Not any more. Palin was the poster child for Lipstick on a pig and you were all in on that.
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So are you accusing her of supporting Obama and Hillary? Those are the only two pigs I see people trying to put lipstick on
I was just pointing out a bit of irony.
I have no dog in this fight, I not eligible to vote anyway.
For not having a dog in this fight you sure want to push the Socialism agenda, the same way that people don't work loves the idea of taking other people's hard earned money.
Why aren't you eligible to vote?
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| Anniemae - 2016-02-06 5:15 PM
How does Cruz qualify for natural born citizen if he was born in Canada? Wasn't that the entire birther argument? Not born on US soil? I'm so confused....
Go read the Naturalization Act of 1790 it is the only time in our history that Congress defined what a natural born citizen is. As per that Act he is a natural born citizen. The only gray area is the fact the Supreme Court has never ruled on this. The term " natural born" comes from English law which so much of our Constitution does. It means born to the King or born as a citizen of the King. In the Act of 1790 it uses the term Natural born to refer to a citizen of the Untied States not born in the USA but born too a citizen of the USA as natural born. Since the Supreme Court has not chosen to take this up since 1790 I don't think they will now. Of course Mr. Trump can put his money where his mouth is and sue on this but frankly I think it is a waste of time.
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Sock Snob
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| ther was a copy of that robo call on facebook. i missed it but it listed the intensions and that mailer. he is a nasty, bitter has littlemans disease. there was a women on my facebook posted shuff on him at least 10mtimes a day. i never giver her the boot but i did her, i still would have even if i liked him, but 10/15 times a day. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | He doesnt agree with waterboarding.. thinks its torture or wrong.. i think he may have lost some votes on that.. |
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Location: So. California | jbhoot - 2016-02-06 4:55 PM Anniemae - 2016-02-06 5:15 PM How does Cruz qualify for natural born citizen if he was born in Canada? Wasn't that the entire birther argument? Not born on US soil? I'm so confused.... Go read the Naturalization Act of 1790 it is the only time in our history that Congress defined what a natural born citizen is. As per that Act he is a natural born citizen. The only gray area is the fact the Supreme Court has never ruled on this. The term " natural born" comes from English law which so much of our Constitution does. It means born to the King or born as a citizen of the King. In the Act of 1790 it uses the term Natural born to refer to a citizen of the Untied States not born in the USA but born too a citizen of the USA as natural born. Since the Supreme Court has not chosen to take this up since 1790 I don't think they will now. Of course Mr. Trump can put his money where his mouth is and sue on this but frankly I think it is a waste of time.
Thank you for the clarification.
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Location: So. California | Three 4 Luck - 2016-02-06 4:21 PM Anniemae - 2016-02-06 5:15 PM How does Cruz qualify for natural born citizen if he was born in Canada? Wasn't that the entire birther argument? Not born on US soil? I'm so confused.... Weren't both his parents citizens? I think the previous birther argument was born to non-citizen father on foreign soil.
His father was a Cuban immigrant. Doesn't matter as long as one parent is a US citizen, you can be born anywhere in the world and you are still considered 'natural born' based on what Jbhoot posted. |
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| RidenFly - 2016-02-04 8:33 AM I saw the email and in my opinion, he bended the truth to fit his agenda and I've lost all my respect for the man. I'd never thought I'd say this, because in the last election cycle I was all "Dump Trump" but now I say I hope Trump wipes the floor with these politicians. Ben Carson should do something about it.
And the flash in the pan that has been flashing since08 has not hurt Trump's numbers one bit.
The past tense of bend is bent...
Continually bashing non establishment people on the GOP ticket will just lead to another democrat in the whitehouse. I will support whomever receives the nomination. Carson was my early pick, now I will probably vote for Cruz. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | No matter who gets nominated I will stand behind and I suggest we all do if we dont want bernie or hillary in office.. at this time Im afraid Obama is going to pull a pen out and go 3rd term.. God help us if he does..
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | As conservatives pick their candidates apart... The socialists love their Bernie who has done nothing in all the years he has been in Congress but can't wait to take the money of people that actually work and then we have Hillary that should be in jail. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The whole thing is a tempest in a teapot, really. Yes, it was a tacky move by the Cruz camp, but I seriously doubt it made much difference. Nobody with a functioning brain is going to switch their vote because of a tweet that doesn't make sense to begin with, a couple hours before the voting begins without confirming the validity of the rumor. Cruz wound up with egg on his face, and his polling numbers probably took a hit for it, at least in NH.
There will be lots of drama and crises like this, before the dust settles in the primaries. Ugly squabbles within the parties, during the primary season is nothing new. George HW Bush and Reagan were at each other's throats worse than this during the 1980 primaries. Reagan won the nomination and guess who he picked as his running mate......Bush.
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | from what I see Rubio went up to 17 percent under Trumps and Cruz fell way down. ... considering all the hoopla about how bad Rubio looked..... NH didnt see anything bad it . |
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