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Location: In my own little world | From what I have gotten is they haven't lost. But they did lose the right to compete until the lawsuit is settled. So all the money that any of them have won so far that was put in escrow will now be paid out to the other contestants that would have won if they hadn't competed.
An who knows how long it may take for the lawsuit to be completed. I'm guessing the ERA may want to expedite it at this point! | |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | ropenrun - 2016-02-04 9:16 PM From what I have gotten is they haven't lost. But they did lose the right to compete until the lawsuit is settled. So all the money that any of them have won so far that was put in escrow will now be paid out to the other contestants that would have won if they hadn't competed.
An who knows how long it may take for the lawsuit to be completed. I'm guessing the ERA may want to expedite it at this point!
This is what I've gotten too. But what I haven't heard is what the WPRA will do about the barrel racers who have a stake/ownership/whatever (Fallon). I'm assuming WPRA follow the tune of the PRCA. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | bccanchaser16 - 2016-02-04 11:35 PM ropenrun - 2016-02-04 9:16 PM From what I have gotten is they haven't lost. But they did lose the right to compete until the lawsuit is settled. So all the money that any of them have won so far that was put in escrow will now be paid out to the other contestants that would have won if they hadn't competed.
An who knows how long it may take for the lawsuit to be completed. I'm guessing the ERA may want to expedite it at this point! This is what I've gotten too. But what I haven't heard is what the WPRA will do about the barrel racers who have a stake/ownership/whatever (Fallon ). I'm assuming WPRA follow the tune of the PRCA.
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Location: Where it isn’t cold! | I read a response on Jill Tanner Cooper's FB wall that said spouses of ERA shareholders were also not allowed to compete as they were also considered shareholders. A spouse of a shareholder was telling her that. | |
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Location: Kansas | SKM - 2016-02-05 3:13 AM
I heard they drew out the ERA guys that made the second go at Ft Worth. Guess they got their wish of traveling less for the time being.
Oh boy, would I love to be a fly on the wall in that rodeo secretary's office.... | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Shorty 2 - 2016-02-05 9:07 AM I read a response on Jill Tanner Cooper's FB wall that said spouses of ERA shareholders were also not allowed to compete as they were also considered shareholders. A spouse of a shareholder was telling her that.
Then you would get down to the nitty gritty of community property states, which lawyers are going to love. Which opens up another big can of worms. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | MS2011 - 2016-02-05 10:00 AM The fact that it was driven to a lawsuit just makes me sad. There's some awfully good people that this is going to be hard on.
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| Yep this is sad....the PRCA, WPRA, and ERA should work together to bring rodeo to the next level. The amount of money earned by professional rodeo athletes is next to nothing compared to pro athletes in other sports. To be honest with out sponsors very few professional cowboys and cowgirls would be able to go down the road and stay there. I believe each association has the pros and cons, and if the ERA and PRCA could work together I believe the marketing scheme of the ERA combined with the foundation/longevity of the PRCA; rodeo could really become a main stream sport. Them at each others throats is not going to do what the other was established to do. | |
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| ropenrun - 2016-02-04 11:16 PM From what I have gotten is they haven't lost. But they did lose the right to compete until the lawsuit is settled. So all the money that any of them have won so far that was put in escrow will now be paid out to the other contestants that would have won if they hadn't competed.
An who knows how long it may take for the lawsuit to be completed. I'm guessing the ERA may want to expedite it at this point!
So, do those guys get their fees back? | |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | iheartrodeo - 2016-02-05 9:39 AM
ropenrun - 2016-02-04 11:16 PM From what I have gotten is they haven't lost. But they did lose the right to compete until the lawsuit is settled. So all the money that any of them have won so far that was put in escrow will now be paid out to the other contestants that would have won if they hadn't competed.
An who knows how long it may take for the lawsuit to be completed. I'm guessing the ERA may want to expedite it at this point!
So, do those guys get their fees back?
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ERA v PRCA Preliminary Injunction Opinion Explainer
What the judge had to say about the ERA's request for preliminary injunction and the PRCA's request for dismissal
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By the time I press publish on this blog post, you've probably already read a myriad of opinions blasted all over Facebook and Twitter regarding the opinion by the Hon. Barbara M. G. Lynn, United States District Judge of the Northern District of Texas.
In her opinion released yesterday, she denied both the plaintiff's (the ERA's) motion for a preliminary injunction to allow ERA shareholders to compete in ProRodeo while the lawsuit is being settled, as well as the defendant's (the PRCA's) motion to dismiss the case.
Judge Lynn released a 22-page opinion on the matter. In it, she found:
"The Court concludes that Plaintiffs have not made a clear showing that they will suffer irreparable harm absent a preliminary injunction, nor that they are likely to succeed on the merits their claims. However, Plaintiffs have pled sufficient facts to raise their prospects for relief above a speculative level."
The judge's opinion took issue with the ERA claim that the PRCA's bylaws will cause irreparable harm to the cowboy's careers. She wrote:
"The Court concludes that Plaintiffs have not presented sufficient evidence to support their positions. The evidence shows that ERA members are projected to be able to earn as much through ERA rodeos as they previously earned through the PRCA. For example, Plaintiffs presented evidence regarding Bobby Mote’s net earnings. He testified that his net earnings in 2015 were $30,000: approximately $100,000 earned at forty-eight regular season rodeos, and $40,000 at the NFR, offset by $110,000 in costs for medical expenses, travel, entry fees, and the like.26 For the ERA’s 2016 regular season events, the evidence was that a very successful ERA competitor could earn approximately $80,000 at regular season ERA events,27 and an additional $3 million will be awarded at the World Championship.28 The ERA’s business model also minimizes the athletes’ expenses, by eliminating entry fees which can exceed $20,000 per year,29 and reducing the number of rodeos ERA competitors attend, thus reducing travel costs which can exceed $50,000 per year. 30 An ERA member could thus potentially accrue gross earnings of $80,000 in eight trips, instead of $100,000 in forty-eight.
"Further, the ERA did not prove that its owners would be excluded or impeded from lucrative “open rodeos,” which are not sanctioned by any sanctioning body, most significantly RodeoHouston, Calgary Stampede, and The American. RodeoHouston awarded approximately $2 million in prizes in 2012, and The American has announced plans to award a purse worth $3 million in 2016. Currently, participation in those rodeos is largely based on performance in the PRCA, but ERA owners participated in PRCA rodeos in 2015, and thus, to the extent invitations to open rodeos are based on the previous year’s NFR results, it appears ERA owners’ eligibility for this year is already determined. (If that assumption of the Court is incorrect, it is due to Plaintiffs’ failure to prove otherwise.) Further, Plaintiffs made no showing that, in the future, if the top rodeo athletes do not participate in the PRCA, open rodeos will likely continue to invite participants based only on PRCA standings."
The judge also found that:
"Plaintiffs have not made a clear showing that the PRCA has the power to exclude competition or that other barriers to entry to the relevant market exist. Instead, the initial success the ERA has experienced so far, despite the PRCA’s obvious hostility, indicates that the PRCA does not have the ability to exclude competitors from the market: Plaintiffs have recruited eighty of the top contestants in the sport as its owners and competitors, and secured contracts with the City of Dallas, a high-profile performance venue, and a major television network."
Judge Lynn did not rule out that the ERA could have a case, saying that the "Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power."
Essentially, this court battle is far from over. There are far more unknowns now, particularly with regard to logistics. Will non-ERA cowboys be drawn out of rodeos with their ERA partners, or will they be allowed to replace their money? (Aaron Tsinigine, for example, whose partner Ryan Motes may not be allowed to compete at San Angelo and San Antonio, where they've already entered.) And how will payouts for current rodeos be affected? (Think Rapid City, led by ERA's Kaleb Driggers and Junior Nogueira, with Tsinigine and Motes winning second? Will Tsinigine get to win that second-place money? Or will he bump to first alone? Or not get paid at all for entering with an ineligible partner?)
For our part, we've asked these logistics questions of the PRCA, but a PRCA spokesman said they won't comment on those logistics until everything has been properly handled internally. In a statement released this morning, though, the PRCA did say that "The PRCA Bylaws at issue will be immediately enforced."
As for the ERA cowboys, team ropers Trevor Brazile and Ryan Motes both reiterated their commitment to the ERA tour this morning.
"We are still 100-percent having our whole season," Motes said. "That's for sure."
Brazile echoed his sentiment.
"The season is going to happen," Brazile said. The ERA tour is set to begin in Redmond, Ore., March 25-26.
In theory, the option is still on the table for ERA athletes to waive their ownership rights and compete in both associations, assuming they are not board members. (Brazile, Motes, Bobby Mote, Martin Lucero, Bradley Harter and Wes Stevenson are current board members, along with CEO and president Tony Garritano.)
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| The second rodeo goes main stream, you can kiss the tie down roping good bye. The general public will throw a fit about roping the poor baby cows around the neck and will scream that its animal abuse.
Rodeo was devoted on a way of life. That way of life is lost to 80% of the population that lives in the cities and thinks meat is grown on a styrofoam tray in a grocery store.
Those ERA guys were idiots for going on interviews and saying they would no longer support the Challenge rodeos because the ERA was more important. It doesn't take a genius to figure out those comments would ruffle the feathers of the PRCA.
Wonder why there is no bull riding roster for the ERA? Those bull riders didn't want to lose the ability of compete at the PBR. But the ERA didn't sue over it.
I'm sorry, but the only ones set to make a ton of money on the ERA are Tony and Charmayne. They are the only ones that stand nothing to lose. Look at that ERA page. It's mainly about Charmayne and how she is projected to be the first ERA World Champion. But hey, we do have a free market system so more power to them. I just find it ludicrous how you don't hear a peep from them. Sure hope the like of Trevor and Ryan don't take the fall for them. JMHO. | |
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| SKM - 2016-02-05 5:10 PM
The second rodeo goes main stream, you can kiss the tie down roping good bye. The general public will throw a fit about roping the poor baby cows around the neck and will scream that its animal abuse.
Rodeo was devoted on a way of life. That way of life is lost to 80% of the population that lives in the cities and thinks meat is grown on a styrofoam tray in a grocery store.
Those ERA guys were idiots for going on interviews and saying they would no longer support the Challenge rodeos because the ERA was more important. It doesn't take a genius to figure out those comments would ruffle the feathers of the PRCA.
Wonder why there is no bull riding roster for the ERA? Those bull riders didn't want to lose the ability of compete at the PBR. But the ERA didn't sue over it.
I'm sorry, but the only ones set to make a ton of money on the ERA are Tony and Charmayne. They are the only ones that stand nothing to lose. Look at that ERA page. It's mainly about Charmayne and how she is projected to be the first ERA World Champion. But hey, we do have a free market system so more power to them. I just find it ludicrous how you don't hear a peep from them. Sure hope the like of Trevor and Ryan don't take the fall for them. JMHO.
Pretty much my thoughts. I love my rodeo stars and their awesome animals be it rough stock or barrel horses, but rodeo is NEVER going to be the NBA or the NFL...for the reasons you listed.
We aren't mainstream enough to do what Tony is trying to promote. It just isn't going to happen. And yes, some of the guys that have been the most vocal in this may take the fall for others.
Lot's of bad blood here between the ERA guys that actually compete, and have the most to lose, that I'm not sure can be resolved quickly, yes very sad. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the large venues that were hosting ERA may have second thoughts.
Where's that popcorn icon???
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SKM - 2016-02-05 5:10 PM
The second rodeo goes main stream, you can kiss the tie down roping good bye. The general public will throw a fit about roping the poor baby cows around the neck and will scream that its animal abuse.
Rodeo was devoted on a way of life. That way of life is lost to 80% of the population that lives in the cities and thinks meat is grown on a styrofoam tray in a grocery store.
Those ERA guys were idiots for going on interviews and saying they would no longer support the Challenge rodeos because the ERA was more important. It doesn't take a genius to figure out those comments would ruffle the feathers of the PRCA.
Wonder why there is no bull riding roster for the ERA? Those bull riders didn't want to lose the ability of compete at the PBR. But the ERA didn't sue over it.
I'm sorry, but the only ones set to make a ton of money on the ERA are Tony and Charmayne. They are the only ones that stand nothing to lose. Look at that ERA page. It's mainly about Charmayne and how she is projected to be the first ERA World Champion. But hey, we do have a free market system so more power to them. I just find it ludicrous how you don't hear a peep from them. Sure hope the like of Trevor and Ryan don't take the fall for them. JMHO.
Pretty much my thoughts. I love my rodeo stars and their awesome animals be it rough stock or barrel horses, but rodeo is NEVER going to be the NBA or the NFL...for the reasons you listed.
We aren't mainstream enough to do what Tony is trying to promote. It just isn't going to happen. And yes, some of the guys that have been the most vocal in this may take the fall for others.
Lot's of bad blood here between the ERA guys that actually compete, and have the most to lose, that I'm not sure can be resolved quickly, yes very sad. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the large venues that were hosting ERA may have second thoughts.
Where's that popcorn icon???
Plus the fact that the ERA was going around and trying to steal the bigger PRCA rodeo's like Cody, WY.
Nothing like being the new kid and trying to steal the infrastructure of the PRCA by going to to committees and trying to sell yourself instead. The letter drafted by Cody and why they decided to stay with the PRCA was an interesting read. | |
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| What should the ERA have done differently to eliminate any issue with the PRCA? Yes I know piggybacking off the PRCA is one of the things they should not do and of course not trying to take over already established PRCA rodeos. Would it have been better to just not be classified as an association & come out as a couple of big invitational rodeos and built up from there?
Does the PRCA take issue with RFDTV 's The American? In most of events the top 10 from the NFR get to compete. Is it because it is a one day event that it doesn't cause issue with the PRCA?
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What should the ERA have done differently to eliminate any issue with the PRCA? Yes I know piggybacking off the PRCA is one of the things they should not do and of course not trying to take over already established PRCA rodeos. Would it have been better to just not be classified as an association & come out as a couple of big invitational rodeos and built up from there?
Does the PRCA take issue with RFDTV 's The American? In most of events the top 10 from the NFR get to compete. Is it because it is a one day event that it doesn't cause issue with the PRCA?
No they got mad about that too as its dates clash with some of their major rodeos. | |
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| sodapop - 2016-02-06 2:37 AM
What should the ERA have done differently to eliminate any issue with the PRCA? Yes I know piggybacking off the PRCA is one of the things they should not do and of course not trying to take over already established PRCA rodeos. Would it have been better to just not be classified as an association & come out as a couple of big invitational rodeos and built up from there?
Does the PRCA take issue with RFDTV 's The American? In most of events the top 10 from the NFR get to compete. Is it because it is a one day event that it doesn't cause issue with the PRCA?
I understand the concept of 'owning' your own organization, it gives you more control. However, I think if they would have set it up differently, having fewer 'owners' and more 'managing directors,, the PRCA would have had less ground to stand on with their position. If the PRCA tried to ban any participant that simply belonged to another organization, that would not have held up. The invitational rodeo thing also is a great idea. The American for example, is going to be really important to some of these folks.
As far as the issue the PRCA had, I believe part of it was that they were going to use the PRCA infrastructure to build another orgnaization.
Since the ERA was set up as all owners, then the ERA needs to produce enough of their own rodeos to support their organization. But that takes time and resources to build, decades of time. That's what everyone of the ERA members used to get where they are. I live in Texas, where there are many big rodeos over the next few months. Fort Worth's final night is going to look way different than the go rounds looked.
Now that I've slept on this, I'm sad and disappointed. Not about the talent folks in Fort Worth, San Antonio and Houston won't see, but about the maybe 75% of the "ACTIVE" ERA guys that aren't Trevor or Ryan, or in the twilight of their career who have other sources of income. Cort Sheer for example. Can he make enough money on the 8 rodeos that are confirmed for '16? When folks get hurt, do they have a Justin Crisis fund? When you really stop and think about infrastructure it's HUGE. Maybe ERA has it, I don't know. And what if some of these big venues get nervous after this ruling? This thing could get tied up in court for a long time.
As far as 85% staying, it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Some of these younger guys could have problems, especially if they have a few bad rodeos....so what will they do? Get jobs back home while they wait for the next rodeo, which will probably look like what they did when they first started out. I don't think that's what they planned on when they signed up.
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sodapop - 2016-02-06 2:37 AM
What should the ERA have done differently to eliminate any issue with the PRCA? Yes I know piggybacking off the PRCA is one of the things they should not do and of course not trying to take over already established PRCA rodeos. Would it have been better to just not be classified as an association & come out as a couple of big invitational rodeos and built up from there?
Does the PRCA take issue with RFDTV 's The American? In most of events the top 10 from the NFR get to compete. Is it because it is a one day event that it doesn't cause issue with the PRCA?
I understand the concept of 'owning' your own organization, it gives you more control. However, I think if they would have set it up differently, having fewer 'owners' and more 'managing directors,, the PRCA would have had less ground to stand on with their position. If the PRCA tried to ban any participant that simply belonged to another organization, that would not have held up. The invitational rodeo thing also is a great idea. The American for example, is going to be really important to some of these folks.
As far as the issue the PRCA had, I believe part of it was that they were going to use the PRCA infrastructure to build another orgnaization.
Since the ERA was set up as all owners, then the ERA needs to produce enough of their own rodeos to support their organization. But that takes time and resources to build, decades of time. That's what everyone of the ERA members used to get where they are. I live in Texas, where there are many big rodeos over the next few months. Fort Worth's final night is going to look way different than the go rounds looked.
Now that I've slept on this, I'm sad and disappointed. Not about the talent folks in Fort Worth, San Antonio and Houston won't see, but about the maybe 75% of the "ACTIVE" ERA guys that aren't Trevor or Ryan, or in the twilight of their career who have other sources of income. Cort Sheer for example. Can he make enough money on the 8 rodeos that are confirmed for '16? When folks get hurt, do they have a Justin Crisis fund? When you really stop and think about infrastructure it's HUGE. Maybe ERA has it, I don't know. And what if some of these big venues get nervous after this ruling? This thing could get tied up in court for a long time.
As far as 85% staying, it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Some of these younger guys could have problems, especially if they have a few bad rodeos....so what will they do? Get jobs back home while they wait for the next rodeo, which will probably look like what they did when they first started out. I don't think that's what they planned on when they signed up.
You make good points but I think if the ERA members had been "managing directors" instead of "owners" the PRCA would have just phrased their bylaws differently. | |
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| I think where the ERA screwed up was all those published interviews where all the contestants were saying how great the ERA was, how much better paying it was, how they would support the ERA rodeos instead of the PRCA Challenge rodeos, etc. They basically made it sound like the ERA was just the greatest thing ever and the PRCA was just a crap association that they might bless with their presence at some rodeos. To me, the ERA guys basically said, "We are too good for the PRCA so we are starting our own association to show them how it's done." So the PRCA basically said, fine. If you are so great and don't need the association that made you what you are, then we don't need you either.
Had they not kicked the PRCA in the teeth, this could have been a totally different situation. The ERA has gone out of it's way to antagonize the PRCA. These Cowboys in the ERA wanted change. They are getting it. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | At this point in time, I think you are all jumping the gun.....the judge did not "decide" the case....only the injunction against the ERA competing UNTIL the lawsuit against the PRCA for acting as a "monoploy" is settled......it is far from over......
Judge Lynn did NOT rule out that the ERA could have a case, saying that the "Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power."
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Location: The edge of no where | SKM - 2016-02-06 8:52 AM I think where the ERA screwed up was all those published interviews where all the contestants were saying how great the ERA was, how much better paying it was, how they would support the ERA rodeos instead of the PRCA Challenge rodeos, etc. They basically made it sound like the ERA was just the greatest thing ever and the PRCA was just a crap association that they might bless with their presence at some rodeos. To me, the ERA guys basically said, "We are too good for the PRCA so we are starting our own association to show them how it's done." So the PRCA basically said, fine. If you are so great and don't need the association that made you what you are, then we don't need you either. Had they not kicked the PRCA in the teeth, this could have been a totally different situation. The ERA has gone out of it's way to antagonize the PRCA. These Cowboys in the ERA wanted change. They are getting it.
Just a note on the Champions Challenge rodeos - I'm not sure how anyone can sell those things as fair. They allowed sponsors to draft whoever they like to their teams from I believe the top 15. I do know that Aaron T (2015 world champ header ) and Cody Teel (#2 bullrider 2015) did not get drafted to a team. How is that fair? You can prove yourself to be the best there is.....and not qualify. That $$$$ counts toward the NFR.
Most of the contestants have said the $$$ shouldn't count, but it's tough to give up a payday like that.
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Location: The edge of no where | oija - 2016-02-06 3:15 AM sodapop - 2016-02-06 2:37 AM What should the ERA have done differently to eliminate any issue with the PRCA? Yes I know piggybacking off the PRCA is one of the things they should not do and of course not trying to take over already established PRCA rodeos. Would it have been better to just not be classified as an association & come out as a couple of big invitational rodeos and built up from there?
Does the PRCA take issue with RFDTV 's The American? In most of events the top 10 from the NFR get to compete. Is it because it is a one day event that it doesn't cause issue with the PRCA?
No they got mad about that too as its dates clash with some of their major rodeos.
Here's how good they are at scheduling those things....San Antonio's short round is Sat night and Scottsdale is Sunday afternoon. It's a SOLID 17 hour drive. SA pays like a slot machine.
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| NJJ - 2016-02-06 9:01 AM At this point in time, I think you are all jumping the gun.....the judge did not "decide" the case....only the injunction against the ERA competing UNTIL the lawsuit against the PRCA for acting as a "monoploy" is settled......it is far from over......
Judge Lynn did NOT rule out that the ERA could have a case, saying that the "Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power."
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NJJ - 2016-02-06 9:01 AM At this point in time, I think you are all jumping the gun.....the judge did not "decide" the case....only the injunction against the ERA competing UNTIL the lawsuit against the PRCA for acting as a "monoploy" is settled......it is far from over......
Judge Lynn did NOT rule out that the ERA could have a case, saying that the "Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power."
It's not over but it's not looking good for the ERA.
You are for sure right on one thing, it is far from over....and far takes a long time. I'm thinking the longer this drags out, the more of the younger, active guys are going to bail. Then if contestants go down, like the younger rough stock guys, will the venues bail? What will Fox Sports do? It isn't going to be pretty for anyone.
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2016-02-06 10:25 AM NJJ - 2016-02-06 9:01 AM At this point in time, I think you are all jumping the gun.....the judge did not "decide" the case....only the injunction against the ERA competing UNTIL the lawsuit against the PRCA for acting as a "monoploy" is settled......it is far from over......
Judge Lynn did NOT rule out that the ERA could have a case, saying that the "Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power."
It's not over but it's not looking good for the ERA.
Agree. If it looked better, the ERA wouldn't have lost the injunction.
I am not a rodeo person, but it seems like this could have been avoided if the ERA has done their press a bit differently... Or may I'm wrong | |
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I understand the concept of 'owning' your own organization, it gives you more control. However, I think if they would have set it up differently, having fewer 'owners' and more 'managing directors,, the PRCA would have had less ground to stand on with their position. If the PRCA tried to ban any participant that simply belonged to another organization, that would not have held up. The invitational rodeo thing also is a great idea. The American for example, is going to be really important to some of these folks. As far as the issue the PRCA had, I believe part of it was that they were going to use the PRCA infrastructure to build another orgnaization. Since the ERA was set up as all owners, then the ERA needs to produce enough of their own rodeos to support their organization. But that takes time and resources to build, decades of time. That's what everyone of the ERA members used to get where they are. I live in Texas, where there are many big rodeos over the next few months. Fort Worth's final night is going to look way different than the go rounds looked. Now that I've slept on this, I'm sad and disappointed. Not about the talent folks in Fort Worth, San Antonio and Houston won't see, but about the maybe 75% of the "ACTIVE" ERA guys that aren't Trevor or Ryan, or in the twilight of their career who have other sources of income. Cort Sheer for example. Can he make enough money on the 8 rodeos that are confirmed for '16? When folks get hurt, do they have a Justin Crisis fund? When you really stop and think about infrastructure it's HUGE. Maybe ERA has it, I don't know. And what if some of these big venues get nervous after this ruling? This thing could get tied up in court for a long time. As far as 85% staying, it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Some of these younger guys could have problems, especially if they have a few bad rodeos....so what will they do? Get jobs back home while they wait for the next rodeo, which will probably look like what they did when they first started out. I don't think that's what they planned on when they signed up.
I think this would have defeated their purpose of having income after their rodeo career has ended. They are looking at the future for themselves.
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Location: That part of Texas | TXBO - 2016-02-06 11:36 AM Ironically, a successful opening tour for ERA only hurts their case against PRCA.
This is true but ironically, losing the injunction makes it more possible for those who filed to show that they can't make a living because of the PRCA monopoly. The injunction was about the possibility of winning $X amount of money being the same -- the Judge just merely acknowledged the ERA's argument that people who are entered in those rodeos stand to win so much a year. With the injunction being dismissed, the ERA folks now have the ability to prove they are being damaged by not competing in both associations, that other people are affected in the industry and that the PRCA dominates to such a degree no new organization going against it can survive. Anything going wrong with the ERA is going to go against the PRCA argument that they don't basically have a stronghold on the industry and are limiting free trade. Injunction out = sh*t just got real. | |
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| Red Raider - 2016-02-06 12:04 PM TXBO - 2016-02-06 11:36 AM Ironically, a successful opening tour for ERA only hurts their case against PRCA. This is true but ironically, losing the injunction makes it more possible for those who filed to show that they can't make a living because of the PRCA monopoly. The injunction was about the possibility of winning $X amount of money being the same -- the Judge just merely acknowledged the ERA's argument that people who are entered in those rodeos stand to win so much a year. With the injunction being dismissed, the ERA folks now have the ability to prove they are being damaged by not competing in both associations, that other people are affected in the industry and that the PRCA dominates to such a degree no new organization going against it can survive. Anything going wrong with the ERA is going to go against the PRCA argument that they don't basically have a stronghold on the industry and are limiting free trade. Injunction out = sh*t just got real.
I was hoping you would comment Raider. I see your point. I also think ERA will have a successful launch. I think it's going to be very difficult to prove a barrier to entry with a full tour of successful rodeos and a TV contract.
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying. | |
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Yes, this thing is far from over and nothing has been decided yet. If this thing is drawn out long enough, those top guys won't be able to make the NFR. I thought I saw somewhere that Trevor had won about $20,000 and he now doesn't get that. Even if the ERA wins, those guys sitting home have severely cut their income at this point until this thing is decided in the courts. | |
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Location: Texas | The team ropers have other places to win money and maybe the calf ropers, but the rough stock riders and steer wrestlers are going to have a hard time staying afloat. How long will it take as this thing goes on and on before those guys start looking for a way out of the ERA? | |
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| RocketPilot - 2016-02-07 9:34 AM The team ropers have other places to win money and maybe the calf ropers, but the rough stock riders and steer wrestlers are going to have a hard time staying afloat. How long will it take as this thing goes on and on before those guys start looking for a way out of the ERA? I wondered the same as well. Will the barrel racers still be able to compete in WPRA events sanctioned with the PRCA like the bigger paying rodeos? That roughstock association that was used as a qualifying association for The American folded so am not sure about any good paying rough stock associations that can compare. What did they use as the roughstock (bareback/saddle bronc) qualifiers for The American since that association folded? I know the PBR is used for the bull riding. The PRCA bull riders who went with the ERA can always try their hand at PBR or CBR sanctioned events, but it takes a bit to get onto their big money tours and not just their challenger events.
The steer wrestlers don't have a bulldogging association. There was one started many years ago by a few top guys, but that didn't last long. I guess they could hit up other association rodeos close to their homes..... really any contestants could do that. The fees would be cheaper, the payout would be much, much less, but they wouldn't have to travel too far.
The calf ropers and team ropers have other calf roping and team roping associations as well as just big paying single events or invitational events. Then of course like any others they could go to different rodeo associations for the time being.
I think the barrel racers will focus on big 4D barrel races and futurities as well as jackpots in their area that pay pretty well.
All of them could join other associatons for the time being and compete at those... lower fees, but lower payout, etc.
I never have understood why the IPRA didn't figure out a way to make the IPRA an association that turned the PRCA on its ear. Maybe the ERA guys should have taken the IPRA and revamped it. LOL The IPRA already has established rodeos. Maybe with the ERA names on the contestant list, the sponsors would follow and make some of their rodoes hugh payouts. Oh wait......... they wanted to be owners and make money as business owners.
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| sodapop - 2016-02-07 9:51 AM
RocketPilot - 2016-02-07 9:34 AM The team ropers have other places to win money and maybe the calf ropers, but the rough stock riders and steer wrestlers are going to have a hard time staying afloat. How long will it take as this thing goes on and on before those guys start looking for a way out of the ERA? I wondered the same as well. Will the barrel racers still be able to compete in WPRA events sanctioned with the PRCA like the bigger paying rodeos? That roughstock association that was used as a qualifying association for The American folded so am not sure about any good paying rough stock associations that can compare. What did they use as the roughstock (bareback/saddle bronc) qualifiers for The American since that association folded? I know the PBR is used for the bull riding. The PRCA bull riders who went with the ERA can always try their hand at PBR or CBR sanctioned events, but it takes a bit to get onto their big money tours and not just their challenger events.
The steer wrestlers don't have a bulldogging association. There was one started many years ago by a few top guys, but that didn't last long. I guess they could hit up other association rodeos close to their homes..... really any contestants could do that. The fees would be cheaper, the payout would be much, much less, but they wouldn't have to travel too far.
The calf ropers and team ropers have other calf roping and team roping associations as well as just big paying single events or invitational events. Then of course like any others they could go to different rodeo associations for the time being.
I think the barrel racers will focus on big 4D barrel races and futurities as well as jackpots in their area that pay pretty well.
All of them could join other associatons for the time being and compete at those... lower fees, but lower payout, etc.
I never have understood why the IPRA didn't figure out a way to make the IPRA an association that turned the PRCA on its ear. Maybe the ERA guys should have taken the IPRA and revamped it. LOL The IPRA already has established rodeos. Maybe with the ERA names on the contestant list, the sponsors would follow and make some of their rodoes hugh payouts. Oh wait......... they wanted to be owners and make money as business owners.
I don't think it will take long for the younger guys that are still actively competing to leave. As I understand it anything they've won since November was in escrow and they won't get it, just their fees back. Their first ERA rodeo is over a month away, so they've now missed money at Denver, Fort Worth, San Antonio and most likely Houston. That's a lot to leave on the table. It will be hard to play catch up if they do jump ship. Some of them have the American coming up later this month.
I was on the ERA website and they have a column for 'buy tickets' for each of their events. That feature is active for Redmond, Boise and the finals, but not active for the April 8th and 9th rodeo in Salt Lake City. Seems odd since that's only a few months away.
As for WPRA, I don't think they are involved since they are a separate organization. All the PRCA guys were eliminated from the finals at Fort Worth, but Taylor Jacob ran and she's ERA.
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Location: Texas | Houston is not a PRCA rodeo anymore, is it? | |
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| RocketPilot - 2016-02-07 10:28 AM
Houston is not a PRCA rodeo anymore, is it?
You know you're right, but seems like last year they let 1/2 the money count for barrel racers. I think that's what helped Nancy get to the finals with so few rodeos.
Good, if anyone can enter Houton, then that will give the guys a chance to earn some money. | |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | chicks2 - 2016-02-07 11:33 AM RocketPilot - 2016-02-07 10:28 AM Houston is not a PRCA rodeo anymore, is it? You know you're right, but seems like last year they let 1/2 the money count for barrel racers. I think that's what helped Nancy get to the finals with so few rodeos. Good, if anyone can enter Houton, then that will give the guys a chance to earn some money.
The barrel racers are WPRA and there is a qualifying format for the barrel racers to compete at Houston. Yes, the barrel racing money won at Houston counts towards WPRA world standings.
All the rest of the events are invitational and are not PRCA.
Events can be approved for WPRA standings and not PRCA and vice versa
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Location: Texas | I don't have a clue what the qualification process for Rodeo Houston is, but am guessing that most of the ERA people would qualify. It might keep some of those guys afloat until "their" rodeos start.
Most don't like the big money rodeos counting for the NFR, but I was told that Rodeo Houston dropped the PRCA because the PRCA did not want the Houston money to count for the NFR. Don't know the whole story there but it has a ring of truth to it.
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| RocketPilot - 2016-02-07 11:31 AM I don't have a clue what the qualification process for Rodeo Houston is, but am guessing that most of the ERA people would qualify. It might keep some of those guys afloat until "their" rodeos start. Most don't like the big money rodeos counting for the NFR, but I was told that Rodeo Houston dropped the PRCA because the PRCA did not want the Houston money to count for the NFR. Don't know the whole story there but it has a ring of truth to it.
I did see on Tuf Cooper's Facebook page he would be competing at Houston. | |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Another thing that I don't get why they did, they scheduled their finals on the same weekend of the Canadian Finals Rodeo. Probably the only dates they could get but that's a major conflict if guys wanted to go north of the border...which leads to another question. Can ERA guys rodeo at Canadian rodeos? They are first and foremost CPRA sanctioned and PRCA is second... so could they buy their CPRA cards? | |
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Location: That part of Texas | TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying.
Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory. | |
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| I'm surprised there aren't more posts on this issue. Quite a few folks are impacted by this, not Brazil and Motes, but the regular guys that accepted the ERA offer. What are they doing? Just seem very quiet.
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| chicks2 - 2016-02-09 9:18 PM I'm surprised there aren't more posts on this issue. Quite a few folks are impacted by this, not Brazil and Motes, but the regular guys that accepted the ERA offer. What are they doing? Just seem very quiet.
Most of them have public Facebook and or Twitter pages and are promoting the ERA. | |
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Location: Central Montana | To simplify what I got out of it was.....the judge stated in the ruling that they very likely have a case for monopoly and they need pursue that avenue instead.... | |
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| Red Raider - 2016-02-08 9:07 AM
TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying.
Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory.
I have a question about the monopoly theory. Can they claim this when you factor in the number of Amateur/Non PRCA associations we have? Like the IPRA, ACRA, CRRA, UPRA, etc? | |
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Location: The edge of no where | Red Raider - 2016-02-08 9:07 AM TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying. Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory.
The American does use PRCA stats to select the 10 who get to compete against the qualifiers and exemptions.
Wouldn't this support the ERA monopoly claim? The 10 who get to run at the American are the top 10 from the PRCA standings the previous year (except the bullriders).
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Location: Texas | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-10 10:27 AM Curious to see how many of the ERA guys start showing up at all the "ammy" and open rodeos now.
My thoughts exactly unless they win pretty big at the American. | |
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| RocketPilot - 2016-02-10 11:35 AM
MOTIVATED - 2016-02-10 10:27 AM Curious to see how many of the ERA guys start showing up at all the "ammy" and open rodeos now.
My thoughts exactly unless they win pretty big at the American.
This was really my question just didn't phrase it correctly. Some guys may have other sources of income, some may be able to just live off 8 rodeos a year, but I think quite a few of the young active guys without other resources will have to start doing something. | |
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| I would think that a lot of the guys wouldn't want to be sitting at home. They rodeo because the love the sport. Even if they don't need the money, I would think that they would rather be at a rodeo than doing other things. | |
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Location: Texas | They all need the money. I cannot think of one that is independently wealthy and doesn't need a payday AND they do love to rodeo. I feel like going down the road keeps them more consistant than the occasional contestant. | |
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| I will start empathizing with other people about how to keep them on the road and doing what they love for a living when they start giving a crap about me working an 8 to 5 and wishing I was doing the same thing. Sorry, its hard....but you're doing it. No one said they HAD to. I dont feel sorry for them, I dont care how they make money, its none of my business really...and at the end of the day I am not going to listen to a bunch of people whining about getting to do something that a million other people would like to do. Guess what, I dont like my job either haha.....we both have the choice to do something different. The difference is, I am not going to open my own competing company and then sue my boss for not letting me "get it started" with his paychecks....so that I am going to be 1. Ungrateful for my job 2. Sue him for not letting me start a competing company while working for him 3. cry and moan to the public (and to those without jobs) that my meany head boss wont let me come to work for him while I get a competing company up and running and trash him in the public eye. Sorry not sorry. | |
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| MS2011 - 2016-02-10 10:26 AM
Red Raider - 2016-02-08 9:07 AM TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying. Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory.
Wouldn't this support the ERA monopoly claim? The 10 who get to run at the American are the top 10 from the PRCA standings the previous year (except the bullriders).
I believe the difference in between the American and ERA is specifically the ownership.
ERA is owned by contestants
The American is not
Anyone can have a rodeo/jackpot/association and invite Prca members, but the Prca members competing cannot be owners of said jackpot/rodeo/association.
This is how the American, Calgary stampede, and Huston can use the Prca stats invite Prca members and have a rodeo | |
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| MOTIVATED - 2016-02-10 3:30 PM
I will start empathizing with other people about how to keep them on the road and doing what they love for a living when they start giving a crap about me working an 8 to 5 and wishing I was doing the same thing. Sorry, its hard....but you're doing it. No one said they HAD to. I dont feel sorry for them, I dont care how they make money, its none of my business really...and at the end of the day I am not going to listen to a bunch of people whining about getting to do something that a million other people would like to do. Guess what, I dont like my job either haha.....we both have the choice to do something different. The difference is, I am not going to open my own competing company and then sue my boss for not letting me "get it started" with his paychecks....so that I am going to be 1. Ungrateful for my job 2. Sue him for not letting me start a competing company while working for him 3. cry and moan to the public (and to those without jobs) that my meany head boss wont let me come to work for him while I get a competing company up and running and trash him in the public eye. Sorry not sorry.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
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Location: The edge of no where | cheryl makofka - 2016-02-10 3:38 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-10 10:26 AM Red Raider - 2016-02-08 9:07 AM TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying. Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory.
Wouldn't this support the ERA monopoly claim? The 10 who get to run at the American are the top 10 from the PRCA standings the previous year (except the bullriders).
I believe the difference in between the American and ERA is specifically the ownership. ERA is owned by contestants The American is not Anyone can have a rodeo/jackpot/association and invite Prca members, but the Prca members competing cannot be owners of said jackpot/rodeo/association. This is how the American, Calgary stampede, and Huston can use the Prca stats invite Prca members and have a rodeo
The PRCA didn't have bylaws against owners/employees etc until a couple of months ago... | |
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| MS2011 - 2016-02-10 4:13 PM
cheryl makofka - 2016-02-10 3:38 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-10 10:26 AM Red Raider - 2016-02-08 9:07 AM TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying. Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory.
Wouldn't this support the ERA monopoly claim? The 10 who get to run at the American are the top 10 from the PRCA standings the previous year (except the bullriders).
I believe the difference in between the American and ERA is specifically the ownership. ERA is owned by contestants The American is not Anyone can have a rodeo/jackpot/association and invite Prca members, but the Prca members competing cannot be owners of said jackpot/rodeo/association. This is how the American, Calgary stampede, and Huston can use the Prca stats invite Prca members and have a rodeo
There were never any organization owners competing in the Prca up until the era.
The rodeos I stated can still continue to invite Prca members to attend as there is no conflict of interest | |
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| Looks like some people have already dropped out of the ERA. The rosters no longer show 10 in each event. Wonder if/how they are going to fill those spots.
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Location: The stix of Utah | And why is Sherry's picture the watermark on the barrel racers page if she isn't competing? I don't know why that bothers me so much but it does. | |
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| 3 To Go - 2016-02-11 1:32 PM Looks like some people have already dropped out of the ERA. The rosters no longer show 10 in each event. Wonder if/how they are going to fill those spots.
http://eraprorodeo.com/tour-rosters/
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Location: The edge of no where | Jaders Mom - 2016-02-11 1:36 PM And why is Sherry's picture the watermark on the barrel racers page if she isn't competing? I don't know why that bothers me so much but it does.
I'd swear she was on the roster a couple of weeks ago when I looked. It probably just needs updated. | |
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| Very interesting that they have had some drop. I counted 4 who have dropped (Cervi, Petska, Gorsuch, DeMoss). | |
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| MS2011 - 2016-02-11 1:48 PM
Jaders Mom - 2016-02-11 1:36 PM And why is Sherry's picture the watermark on the barrel racers page if she isn't competing? I don't know why that bothers me so much but it does.
I'd swear she was on the roster a couple of weeks ago when I looked. It probably just needs updated.
She was. 1st on the list. | |
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| MS2011 - 2016-02-11 12:48 PM
Jaders Mom - 2016-02-11 1:36 PM And why is Sherry's picture the watermark on the barrel racers page if she isn't competing? I don't know why that bothers me so much but it does.
I'd swear she was on the roster a couple of weeks ago when I looked. It probably just needs updated.
I doubt it. People are jumping ship. I've heard of 4 now.
As for the bull riding, the PBR has basically done the same thing the PRCA did. Those guys aren't willing to give up the ability to do the PBR and PRCA for the ERA. It just isn't news that anyone is talking about. | |
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| I dont have a problem with rodeo contestants wanting to have the oppourtunity to win more money. Rodeo athletes do not get paid on the same scale as other professional athletes, I get it and I am ampethetic to that. I know ladies married to some of the PRCAs top contenders. They have financial highs and lows. Usually they are hoping for a good NFR to finish the year in the green. I do hope for a future that enables rodeo athletes to make a more sustainable living. WITH THAT BEING SAID... I was kinda turned off by a post made to social media by a calf roper that I am a fan of. "Ive spent 5 million to earn 3.5 million" and crying about having to ride on charter planes, among other things. I love watching this guy compete but my gosh! FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS. At the end of the day it is a CHOICE!!! Go get a job, farm cattle, fix radiators (lol), use that degree you paid for..whatever! It just comes off crummy to me when there are lots of people out of work/facing much more serious problems.
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Location: That part of Texas | miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-02-10 9:25 AM Red Raider - 2016-02-08 9:07 AM TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying. Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory. I have a question about the monopoly theory. Can they claim this when you factor in the number of Amateur/Non PRCA associations we have? Like the IPRA, ACRA, CRRA, UPRA, etc?
Yes they still can -- especially when it goes to show that even with the other associations, it's still the PRCA with a stronghold at the top of the game. If you want to be at the top of the game of rodeo, you have to go through PRCA or it's nothing. By PRCA saying that you cannot be part of some of these other organizations and stay with us, it's what creates that conflict and makes the monopoly/anti-trust provisions come into play. | |
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Location: That part of Texas | MS2011 - 2016-02-10 10:26 AM Red Raider - 2016-02-08 9:07 AM TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying. Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory.
Wouldn't this support the ERA monopoly claim? The 10 who get to run at the American are the top 10 from the PRCA standings the previous year (except the bullriders).
I didn't realize that the American picked it's own contestants that way. To be honest, I haven't really paid attention to that. In that aspect, it helps the ERA argument instead of possibly hurting it. | |
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I will start empathizing with other people about how to keep them on the road and doing what they love for a living when they start giving a crap about me working an 8 to 5 and wishing I was doing the same thing. Sorry, its hard....but you're doing it. No one said they HAD to. I dont feel sorry for them, I dont care how they make money, its none of my business really...and at the end of the day I am not going to listen to a bunch of people whining about getting to do something that a million other people would like to do. Guess what, I dont like my job either haha.....we both have the choice to do something different. The difference is, I am not going to open my own competing company and then sue my boss for not letting me "get it started" with his paychecks....so that I am going to be 1. Ungrateful for my job 2. Sue him for not letting me start a competing company while working for him 3. cry and moan to the public (and to those without jobs) that my meany head boss wont let me come to work for him while I get a competing company up and running and trash him in the public eye. Sorry not sorry.
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Location: That part of Texas | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-10 3:30 PM I will start empathizing with other people about how to keep them on the road and doing what they love for a living when they start giving a crap about me working an 8 to 5 and wishing I was doing the same thing. Sorry, its hard....but you're doing it. No one said they HAD to. I dont feel sorry for them, I dont care how they make money, its none of my business really...and at the end of the day I am not going to listen to a bunch of people whining about getting to do something that a million other people would like to do. Guess what, I dont like my job either haha.....we both have the choice to do something different. The difference is, I am not going to open my own competing company and then sue my boss for not letting me "get it started" with his paychecks....so that I am going to be 1. Ungrateful for my job 2. Sue him for not letting me start a competing company while working for him 3. cry and moan to the public (and to those without jobs) that my meany head boss wont let me come to work for him while I get a competing company up and running and trash him in the public eye. Sorry not sorry.
I don't see this being an employer/employee type of relationship because as much as anybody "works" in a PRCA event, there' no guarantee of a pay-off at the end of the day.
The PRCA has provided the opportunity and platform for these contestants to make a living, fortune and fame off of. Nobody is saying that they haven't done that and that they haven't tried to make that the best platform that's out there. The difference comes when PRCA says "I own you. I made you who you are today by the things I've done to put you in a spotlight and I'll keep you in my playing field or you won't play at all." The question is: who owns the "work-product" of all those years of rodeoing, sacrificing, going down the road and stardom? The PRCA has basically said "I made you and you're staying in my world or you're gone . . . and I'm going to make sure you can't create a world where you'd be just as successful or popular without me."
If you doubt any of this, go back to the press release from October 2015 and read what was said before the new by-laws were handed down. From the start the PRCA has crowed about how they made these ERA contestants what they are today. Yes they provided the platform but how many years have they benefited from talent that wasn't their own = talent that belonged to those contestants who paid to play in all forms and once they couldn't "pay" the price (be it age, injury, fatigue, etc.) they were cast aside for the next star to dance under the lights?
In the end, the question really remains on who truly owns what in regards to talent and what you can do (as a contestant) with your own "brand" once you decide to dance with someone else besides the PRCA. As a contestant, do you really own your talent, hard-work and fan base so that you can go anywhere or do what you want with it? PRCA says no -- we're gonna put limits on what you can do if you leave us or want to expand your career with other organizations. To me that's not an employer-employee relationship but one more like exploitation and slavery for those lucky enough to climb to the top and be one of the PRCA darlings.
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MOTIVATED - 2016-02-10 3:30 PM I will start empathizing with other people about how to keep them on the road and doing what they love for a living when they start giving a crap about me working an 8 to 5 and wishing I was doing the same thing. Sorry, its hard....but you're doing it. No one said they HAD to. I dont feel sorry for them, I dont care how they make money, its none of my business really...and at the end of the day I am not going to listen to a bunch of people whining about getting to do something that a million other people would like to do. Guess what, I dont like my job either haha.....we both have the choice to do something different. The difference is, I am not going to open my own competing company and then sue my boss for not letting me "get it started" with his paychecks....so that I am going to be 1. Ungrateful for my job 2. Sue him for not letting me start a competing company while working for him 3. cry and moan to the public (and to those without jobs) that my meany head boss wont let me come to work for him while I get a competing company up and running and trash him in the public eye. Sorry not sorry.
I don't see this being an employer/employee type of relationship because as much as anybody "works" in a PRCA event, there' no guarantee of a pay-off at the end of the day.
The PRCA has provided the opportunity and platform for these contestants to make a living, fortune and fame off of. Nobody is saying that they haven't done that and that they haven't tried to make that the best platform that's out there. The difference comes when PRCA says "I own you. I made you who you are today by the things I've done to put you in a spotlight and I'll keep you in my playing field or you won't play at all." The question is: who owns the "work-product" of all those years of rodeoing, sacrificing, going down the road and stardom? The PRCA has basically said "I made you and you're staying in my world or you're gone . . . and I'm going to make sure you can't create a world where you'd be just as successful or popular without me."
If you doubt any of this, go back to the press release from October 2015 and read what was said before the new by-laws were handed down. From the start the PRCA has crowed about how they made these ERA contestants what they are today. Yes they provided the platform but how many years have they benefited from talent that wasn't their own = talent that belonged to those contestants who paid to play in all forms and once they couldn't "pay" the price (be it age, injury, fatigue, etc.) they were cast aside for the next star to dance under the lights?
In the end, the question really remains on who truly owns what in regards to talent and what you can do (as a contestant) with your own "brand" once you decide to dance with someone else besides the PRCA. As a contestant, do you really own your talent, hard-work and fan base so that you can go anywhere or do what you want with it? PRCA says no -- we're gonna put limits on what you can do if you leave us or want to expand your career with other organizations. To me that's not an employer-employee relationship but one more like exploitation and slavery for those lucky enough to climb to the top and be one of the PRCA darlings.
Okay, maybe not employer/employee......but whiny and ungrateful for sure. My mind wont change about that. And I dont think that is what the PRCA has said really, because they still have the opportunity to compete in jackpots and ammys and open rodeos. They just said "you can not sue us and still use our services you ungrateful, whiny cowboys"...
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Location: The edge of no where | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-11 4:20 PM Red Raider - 2016-02-11 3:51 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-10 3:30 PM I will start empathizing with other people about how to keep them on the road and doing what they love for a living when they start giving a crap about me working an 8 to 5 and wishing I was doing the same thing. Sorry, its hard....but you're doing it. No one said they HAD to. I dont feel sorry for them, I dont care how they make money, its none of my business really...and at the end of the day I am not going to listen to a bunch of people whining about getting to do something that a million other people would like to do. Guess what, I dont like my job either haha.....we both have the choice to do something different. The difference is, I am not going to open my own competing company and then sue my boss for not letting me "get it started" with his paychecks....so that I am going to be 1. Ungrateful for my job 2. Sue him for not letting me start a competing company while working for him 3. cry and moan to the public (and to those without jobs) that my meany head boss wont let me come to work for him while I get a competing company up and running and trash him in the public eye. Sorry not sorry. I don't see this being an employer/employee type of relationship because as much as anybody "works" in a PRCA event, there' no guarantee of a pay-off at the end of the day.
The PRCA has provided the opportunity and platform for these contestants to make a living, fortune and fame off of. Nobody is saying that they haven't done that and that they haven't tried to make that the best platform that's out there. The difference comes when PRCA says "I own you. I made you who you are today by the things I've done to put you in a spotlight and I'll keep you in my playing field or you won't play at all." The question is: who owns the "work-product" of all those years of rodeoing, sacrificing, going down the road and stardom? The PRCA has basically said "I made you and you're staying in my world or you're gone . . . and I'm going to make sure you can't create a world where you'd be just as successful or popular without me."
If you doubt any of this, go back to the press release from October 2015 and read what was said before the new by-laws were handed down. From the start the PRCA has crowed about how they made these ERA contestants what they are today. Yes they provided the platform but how many years have they benefited from talent that wasn't their own = talent that belonged to those contestants who paid to play in all forms and once they couldn't "pay" the price (be it age, injury, fatigue, etc.) they were cast aside for the next star to dance under the lights?
In the end, the question really remains on who truly owns what in regards to talent and what you can do (as a contestant) with your own "brand" once you decide to dance with someone else besides the PRCA. As a contestant, do you really own your talent, hard-work and fan base so that you can go anywhere or do what you want with it? PRCA says no -- we're gonna put limits on what you can do if you leave us or want to expand your career with other organizations. To me that's not an employer-employee relationship but one more like exploitation and slavery for those lucky enough to climb to the top and be one of the PRCA darlings.
Okay, maybe not employer/employee......but whiny and ungrateful for sure. My mind wont change about that. And I dont think that is what the PRCA has said really, because they still have the opportunity to compete in jackpots and ammys and open rodeos. They just said "you can not sue us and still use our services you ungrateful, whiny cowboys"...
The ERA was not suing the PRCA when the bylaws were handed down. First came the bylaws, which provided grounds for the lawsuit. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | Flavio Ribeiro 2 hrs ·People have called and texted me and asked me my opinion on recent news about PRCA vs ERA deal. I am going to start saying that in 1999 I came to the US for roping school with Barry Burk and in 2000 I stayed at the Burk Ranch for 6 months roping with Barry. I had the opportunity to see first hand how the life of these rodeo cowboys was and got to meet all the great calf ropers that were competing back then and most the ones that still competing. Before living with Barry I thought these cowboys were all RICH and live a GLAMOROUS life being a rodeo cowboy/cowgirl. Some might say well “they spend more money than they should” but that’s not my point. So for the past 16 years I have been involved with rodeo in the USA and a few years ago I started making yearly trips to the NFR and have also have the opportunity to sponsor a few of these cowboys. Back then in 2000 you would probably see two or maybe three patches in a cowboy shirt, endorsements were very minimal compared to today. Some people say it costs from $60,000.00 to $80,000.00 to rodeo a year, which I think its way more than that but since I have never Rodeo professionally and I have not seen anyone’s books to do the math I have to assume that these figures are right.
I copied the text below from the PBR website:
“The most defining moment in Professional Bull Riders history is undoubtedly the monumental meeting that took place in April of 1992 at a motel in Scottsdale, Ariz. It was there that the 20 founders of the PBR invested $1,000 each to form what has become the world's premier bull riding organization. Considering the history of the sport and what would transpire over the next 20 years, this meeting not only impacted the PBR, but also proved to be influential for the ongoing popularity of western culture. To fully understand the significance, it's imperative to know that - historically speaking - bull riders were initially thought of as unskilled cowboys. When rodeo was first getting started, bull riders were cowboys who didn't possess the skills to rope. It wasn't until riders such as Jim Shoulders (1950s) and then Larry Mahan (1960-70s) drew attention to the sport that eventually led to the golden age of the 1980s, which is when the 20 founders were all in their prime. Bull riders went from being "unskilled" to headlining rodeos, and eventually forming their own standalone sport, which sells out arenas such as Madison Square Garden and can be seen on network television.”
Ok so in 1992 there were about 15 bull riders that were “making money”, the 15 that made the NFR. Today there are 35 Bull riders that make the PBR Finals and 15 that make the NFR. Last year if I am not mistaken Shane Proctor was the only one that made both Finals. So those Bull riders in 1992 had a vision that Bull riders need to make more money and need to not have to travel as much, and today that is a reality, but for several years a lot of these cowboys competed in both associations. Some might say that the PRCA bull riders cannot compete at PBR, but I think it is a false statement, Riding a bull is no easy feat. But, because of the PBR there are more bull riders making a decent living these days.
When I heard about the idea of the ERA I thought it was a great idea and that would allow people that normally don’t follow, roping, steer wrestling, barrel racing and bronc riders will have a chance to follow people in a constant bases and get to know them. I bet if you go to any PBR rodeo and start asking people who is competing that night lots of people will know at least a dozen of the guys names. If you go to our conventional rodeo not so much. I also started hearing “that this is not fair because they want to pick who they want to play and this and that”. I have also heard “that if you have a PRCA card you are a professional rodeo cowboy”, and many more comments. Well just because you have a PRCA card that does not make you a professional cowboy, it means you have won the minimum in order to compete in PRCA rodeos. Also I as fan don’t think that is fair for a weekend rodeo cowboy to want to be compared to a guy that travels thousands of miles and spend thousands of dollars down the road. There are rodeos for everyone to go, but when it comes to TV, people want to watch GREATNESS and NOT average. That is why Calgary Stampede is live on TV, Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo is live on TV, The NFR is live on TV, The American is Live on TV, The PBR rodeos and PBR Finals is Live on TV, because only the best compete in this events. Also I have not seen very many people that are constant on the top 50 complaining about the ERA, that’s because they understand the need for a change. I have talked to several guys that are not on the ERA tour and some say they would like to be included and some say I have not won as much as most of those guys so I hope eventually I get there, some say I was offered a spot but I declined and some don’t agree with the idea but hope it works.
Folks change is not easy, I bet several bull riders in the early 90’s thought David Bailey Jr., Clint Branger, Mark Cain, Adam and Gilbert Carrillo, Cody Custer, Jerome Davis, Bobby DelVecchio, Mike Erikson, David Fournier, Michael Gaffney, Tuff Hedeman, Cody Lambert, Scott Mendes, Daryl Mills, Ty Murray, Ted Nuce, Aaron Semas, Jim Sharp and Brent Thurman were out of their mind when they started the “Bull Riders Only” now PBR. But now most of those wish they had done the same thing. When RFD-TV had the first The American I heard people saying that was the first and last, that it was crazy and stupid to do that. Well look at it now it’s the 3rd Edition and every year new things are brought in and the cowboys and fans are the ones winning with all this.
I am not here to tell you are right or wrong about your opinions because we all have the right to have our own, but why not let these guys try to better the sport we love so much that is Rodeo (Bareback, Steer Wrestling, Team Roping, Saddle Bronc, Tie Down Roping, Barrel Racing, and Bull Riding). We all would like to have a stable financial life and the way it is today very few Rodeo athletes can really do that. If we are going to have an association that will put rodeo more often on TV, draw new sponsors and new fans why not support. Changes are not easy and a lot of people are very good at criticizing but not as much on actually doing something.
I love Rodeo and I wish the ERA, PRCA, WPRA, PBR, CBR, CPRA, UPRA, IPRA, the Collegiate Rodeos, Youth Rodeos and any other rodeo association the best, because without them there is no Rodeo. I hope one day we can all get along.
Have a wonderful rest of the week.
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Location: That part of Texas | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-11 4:20 PM
Okay, maybe not employer/employee......but whiny and ungrateful for sure. My mind wont change about that. And I dont think that is what the PRCA has said really, because they still have the opportunity to compete in jackpots and ammys and open rodeos. They just said "you can not sue us and still use our services you ungrateful, whiny cowboys"...
I don't mean to pick on you but have you looked at those by-laws in that context? They sure made it an issue when they wrote them in:
B15.1.1.2 Rodeo Committees.
In light of the PRCA’s long-standing and ongoing efforts to create popular and successful PRCA-sanctioned professional rodeo competitions and promote rodeo sports in general, including but not limited to creating the National Finals Rodeo event and qualifying points system, soliciting corporate sponsors and television contracts, establishing rodeo rules and regulations, and developing youth and new contestant growth programs-and in order to protect the quality of all PRCA-sanctioned events-any rodeo committee and/or contracting party involved in producing a PRCA-sanctioned event agrees not to schedule, produce, promote or participate in a Competing Rodeo Event seventy-two hours before, during or seventy-two hours after a PRCA-sanctioned event. The PRCA shall have the right to approve specific events that are in conflict with this Bylaw should the PRCA deem any such event to be in the interest of its members and the promotion of professional rodeo sports in general.
B1.2.1.2 Prohibition on Conflicting Rodeo Association Interests.
In order to ensure that PRCA members-whose popularity and success are the result of participation in PRCA-sanctioned rodeos and related PRCA promotional efforts and activities (and the associated costly investments the PRCA has made in promoting PRCA events and rodeo sports in general)-are not pursuing interests in Conflicting Rodeo Associations while receiving the benefits of PRCA membership and are putting forth their best efforts on behalf of the PRCA, any person applying for PRCA membership who is an officer, board member, employee or has an ownership or financial interest of any form in a Conflicting Rodeo Association shall not be issued a membership, permit or renewal of membership with the PRCA.
I mean, really? It's almost like the tirade a soon-to-be-ex-husband would be making out on the front lawn as his gifted wife is leaving him for a better opportunity or place to live because she can't keep up living the way he wants her to anymore. "You can't leave me! I made you!"
Yes, these contestants have benefitted from the PRCA and the promotions/opportunities the PRCA has given them. On the other hand, the PRCA would be nothing without the talent being there to be used, marketed and relied upon that the contestants have made possible all these years. The PRCA knows it's going to be screwed without the ability to keep hyping these legends and benefiting from them in the same manner they always have. That's why the newer rodeo formats are scary to them and why they took the chance on making it an issue when they could.
You may see them as ungrateful and whiny but I see them as people who are fighting to control their lives and the career they built through their own power, sweat, tears, money and sacrifice when the PRCA could have cared less about them to the time when they did reach the top and beyond. We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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| Red Raider - 2016-02-11 5:57 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-11 4:20 PM
Okay, maybe not employer/employee......but whiny and ungrateful for sure. My mind wont change about that. And I dont think that is what the PRCA has said really, because they still have the opportunity to compete in jackpots and ammys and open rodeos. They just said "you can not sue us and still use our services you ungrateful, whiny cowboys"...
I don't mean to pick on you but have you looked at those by-laws in that context? They sure made it an issue when they wrote them in:
B15.1.1.2 Rodeo Committees.
In light of the PRCA’s long-standing and ongoing efforts to create popular and successful PRCA-sanctioned professional rodeo competitions and promote rodeo sports in general, including but not limited to creating the National Finals Rodeo event and qualifying points system, soliciting corporate sponsors and television contracts, establishing rodeo rules and regulations, and developing youth and new contestant growth programs-and in order to protect the quality of all PRCA-sanctioned events-any rodeo committee and/or contracting party involved in producing a PRCA-sanctioned event agrees not to schedule, produce, promote or participate in a Competing Rodeo Event seventy-two hours before, during or seventy-two hours after a PRCA-sanctioned event. The PRCA shall have the right to approve specific events that are in conflict with this Bylaw should the PRCA deem any such event to be in the interest of its members and the promotion of professional rodeo sports in general.
B1.2.1.2 Prohibition on Conflicting Rodeo Association Interests.
In order to ensure that PRCA members-whose popularity and success are the result of participation in PRCA-sanctioned rodeos and related PRCA promotional efforts and activities (and the associated costly investments the PRCA has made in promoting PRCA events and rodeo sports in general)-are not pursuing interests in Conflicting Rodeo Associations while receiving the benefits of PRCA membership and are putting forth their best efforts on behalf of the PRCA, any person applying for PRCA membership who is an officer, board member, employee or has an ownership or financial interest of any form in a Conflicting Rodeo Association shall not be issued a membership, permit or renewal of membership with the PRCA.
I mean, really? It's almost like the tirade a soon-to-be-ex-husband would be making out on the front lawn as his gifted wife is leaving him for a better opportunity or place to live because she can't keep up living the way he wants her to anymore. "You can't leave me! I made you!"
Yes, these contestants have benefitted from the PRCA and the promotions/opportunities the PRCA has given them. On the other hand, the PRCA would be nothing without the talent being there to be used, marketed and relied upon that the contestants have made possible all these years. The PRCA knows it's going to be screwed without the ability to keep hyping these legends and benefiting from them in the same manner they always have. That's why the newer rodeo formats are scary to them and why they took the chance on making it an issue when they could.
You may see them as ungrateful and whiny but I see them as people who are fighting to control their lives and the career they built through their own power, sweat, tears, money and sacrifice when the PRCA could have cared less about them to the time when they did reach the top and beyond. We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Location: The edge of no where | The PRCA is fining all Champions Challenge contestants that opt to participate in the American instead of the Champions Challenge in Scottsdale. They sent a whiny press release to the American concerning the date. Pretty sure most people KNOW when the American is going to be based on the previous year's date.
1. The Champion's Challenge was scheduled in Scottsdale the Sunday afternoon after the short round in San Antonio on Sat night. SA will pay like a slot machine and it's 17 solid hours to Scottsdale - that's just about impossible to make work unless you fly.
2. Who winds up being penalized by the PRCA attitude? The contestants. Do you really think any of them would pass on an opportunity to compete for $100,000 to $1,000,000? Instead of working with the American - the PRCA fines the contestants if they opt to play with someone else.
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Location: The edge of no where | I think the ERA rodeos would be a great fit for a Sunday afternoon perf - the PRCA made it clear they have no intention of attempting to work with them when they wrote in this bylaw - "any rodeo committee and/or contracting party involved in producing a PRCA-sanctioned event agrees not to schedule, produce, promote or participate in a Competing Rodeo Event seventy-two hours before, during or seventy-two hours after a PRCA-sanctioned event."
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I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying. Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory. I have a question about the monopoly theory. Can they claim this when you factor in the number of Amateur/Non PRCA associations we have? Like the IPRA, ACRA, CRRA, UPRA, etc?
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| Red Raider - 2016-02-11 5:57 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-11 4:20 PM
Okay, maybe not employer/employee......but whiny and ungrateful for sure. My mind wont change about that. And I dont think that is what the PRCA has said really, because they still have the opportunity to compete in jackpots and ammys and open rodeos. They just said "you can not sue us and still use our services you ungrateful, whiny cowboys"...
I don't mean to pick on you but have you looked at those by-laws in that context? They sure made it an issue when they wrote them in:
B15.1.1.2 Rodeo Committees.
In light of the PRCA’s long-standing and ongoing efforts to create popular and successful PRCA-sanctioned professional rodeo competitions and promote rodeo sports in general, including but not limited to creating the National Finals Rodeo event and qualifying points system, soliciting corporate sponsors and television contracts, establishing rodeo rules and regulations, and developing youth and new contestant growth programs-and in order to protect the quality of all PRCA-sanctioned events-any rodeo committee and/or contracting party involved in producing a PRCA-sanctioned event agrees not to schedule, produce, promote or participate in a Competing Rodeo Event seventy-two hours before, during or seventy-two hours after a PRCA-sanctioned event. The PRCA shall have the right to approve specific events that are in conflict with this Bylaw should the PRCA deem any such event to be in the interest of its members and the promotion of professional rodeo sports in general.
B1.2.1.2 Prohibition on Conflicting Rodeo Association Interests.
In order to ensure that PRCA members-whose popularity and success are the result of participation in PRCA-sanctioned rodeos and related PRCA promotional efforts and activities (and the associated costly investments the PRCA has made in promoting PRCA events and rodeo sports in general)-are not pursuing interests in Conflicting Rodeo Associations while receiving the benefits of PRCA membership and are putting forth their best efforts on behalf of the PRCA, any person applying for PRCA membership who is an officer, board member, employee or has an ownership or financial interest of any form in a Conflicting Rodeo Association shall not be issued a membership, permit or renewal of membership with the PRCA.
I mean, really? It's almost like the tirade a soon-to-be-ex-husband would be making out on the front lawn as his gifted wife is leaving him for a better opportunity or place to live because she can't keep up living the way he wants her to anymore. "You can't leave me! I made you!"
Yes, these contestants have benefitted from the PRCA and the promotions/opportunities the PRCA has given them. On the other hand, the PRCA would be nothing without the talent being there to be used, marketed and relied upon that the contestants have made possible all these years. The PRCA knows it's going to be screwed without the ability to keep hyping these legends and benefiting from them in the same manner they always have. That's why the newer rodeo formats are scary to them and why they took the chance on making it an issue when they could.
You may see them as ungrateful and whiny but I see them as people who are fighting to control their lives and the career they built through their own power, sweat, tears, money and sacrifice when the PRCA could have cared less about them to the time when they did reach the top and beyond. We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this one.
You make a good point here, Raider. The wording of those bylaws is absolutely terrible.
This case should read, "Dumb vs Dumber".
I think with proper leadership and councel, the PRCA case could be a much stronger. PRCA does not have a monopoly, the've simply done a better job for the contestants.
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | BROKEN FEATHER - 2016-02-12 9:25 AM I have a question about financial interest. When I enter let's say an amateur rodeo, I pay fees and hopefully win something. Isn't that a financial interest? Does that mean, if I were am member of the PRCA, that I cannot enter an amateur rodeo and be a member of the PRCA?
Financial interest is share/stocks within the company. All of the contestants on the ERA roster were given shares of it. I'm not sure how much. | |
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Location: That part of Texas | miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-02-12 10:49 AM Why did the ERA not try to start out small and build up like the PBR seemed to do when they started out?
Starting small wasn't going to make the PRCA be nice forever, if at all. When they couldn't keep the level of control that they wanted to with the ones who they made legendary, they were going to act to keep their investment in them active or at least make it where they wouldn't be able to compete with the newer ones coming up through the ranks and making money/publicity for the PRCA. | |
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miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-02-12 10:49 AM Why did the ERA not try to start out small and build up like the PBR seemed to do when they started out?
Starting small wasn't going to make the PRCA be nice forever, if at all. When they couldn't keep the level of control that they wanted to with the ones who they made legendary, they were going to act to keep their investment in them active or at least make it where they wouldn't be able to compete with the newer ones coming up through the ranks and making money/publicity for the PRCA.
Then why isn't the PRCA suing the PBR? There are some pretty legendary bull riders in the PBR. Why not sue the IPRA, UPRA or any of the other associations?
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Location: That part of Texas | BROKEN FEATHER - 2016-02-12 11:25 AM I have a question about financial interest. When I enter let's say an amateur rodeo, I pay fees and hopefully win something. Isn't that a financial interest? Does that mean, if I were am member of the PRCA, that I cannot enter an amateur rodeo and be a member of the PRCA?
As TXBO pointed out and I have also pointed out, the way the by-laws are written are so shoddy and left open to interpretation that I'm sure those provisions will have to be defined by the court or through litigation. Financial interest is broad, especially with the way how they have defined it and it doesn't help that the determining party is the PRCA itself saying that they reserve the right to say which of these associations is going to violate these by-laws and be subject to their wrath. | |
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Location: That part of Texas | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 2:14 PM Red Raider - 2016-02-12 2:12 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-02-12 10:49 AM Why did the ERA not try to start out small and build up like the PBR seemed to do when they started out? Starting small wasn't going to make the PRCA be nice forever, if at all. When they couldn't keep the level of control that they wanted to with the ones who they made legendary, they were going to act to keep their investment in them active or at least make it where they wouldn't be able to compete with the newer ones coming up through the ranks and making money/publicity for the PRCA. Then why isn't the PRCA suing the PBR? There are some pretty legendary bull riders in the PBR. Why not sue the IPRA, UPRA any of the other associations?
ETA: They've also said in a later part of the by-laws that they basically reserve the right to make it an issue with whom they feel like -- hence why the IPRA and other associations with multiple events can breathe easy through the deal.
B15.1.1.1 Definition of Competing Rodeo Events.
Competing Rodeo Events are events not sanctioned by the PRCA in which contestants compete in two or more of the following events: bareback riding, saddle bronc riding, bull riding, tie-down roping, steer wrestling, and team roping.
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MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 2:14 PM Red Raider - 2016-02-12 2:12 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-02-12 10:49 AM Why did the ERA not try to start out small and build up like the PBR seemed to do when they started out? Starting small wasn't going to make the PRCA be nice forever, if at all. When they couldn't keep the level of control that they wanted to with the ones who they made legendary, they were going to act to keep their investment in them active or at least make it where they wouldn't be able to compete with the newer ones coming up through the ranks and making money/publicity for the PRCA. Then why isn't the PRCA suing the PBR? There are some pretty legendary bull riders in the PBR. Why not sue the IPRA, UPRA any of the other associations? . Competing Rodeo Events are events not sanctioned by the PRCA in which contestants compete in two or more of the following events: bareback riding, saddle bronc riding, bull riding, tie-down roping, steer wrestling, and team roping.
I see what you're saying. But WHY do you think the PRCA would "maliciously pick on" the ERA themselves. The PBR is HUGE they had just as much to gain by singling them out if they wanted to a long time ago. You REALLY dont think it has to do with the PRCA not wanting to allow to have the owners of a competing, rival, company, using the PRCA as a stepping stone to build their own company up?.........when the only reason anyone knows them in the first place is because of the accomplishments they have through the PRCA. | |
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| Red Raider - 2016-02-12 2:15 PM BROKEN FEATHER - 2016-02-12 11:25 AM I have a question about financial interest. When I enter let's say an amateur rodeo, I pay fees and hopefully win something. Isn't that a financial interest? Does that mean, if I were am member of the PRCA, that I cannot enter an amateur rodeo and be a member of the PRCA? As TXBO pointed out and I have also pointed out, the way the by-laws are written are so shoddy and left open to interpretation that I'm sure those provisions will have to be defined by the court or through litigation. Financial interest is broad, especially with the way how they have defined it and it doesn't help that the determining party is the PRCA itself saying that they reserve the right to say which of these associations is going to violate these by-laws and be subject to their wrath.
Terrible governance and councel. (IMHO)
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Location: That part of Texas | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 2:28 PM I see what you're saying. But WHY do you think the PRCA would "maliciously pick on" the ERA themselves. The PBR is HUGE they had just as much to gain by singling them out if they wanted to a long time ago. You REALLY dont think it has to do with the PRCA not wanting to allow to have the owners of a competing, rival, company, using the PRCA as a stepping stone to build their own company up?.........when the only reason anyone knows them in the first place is because of the accomplishments they have through the PRCA.
The PRCA was under an anti-trust injunction (from previous litigation concerning these issues) when the PBR broke so they couldn't sue them at the time. Who knows if they would have but the fact remains that they couldn't because this isn't the first time the PRCA has been brought to heel over the monopoly/anti-trust issue.
Like I said, we'll probably have to agree to disagree on the topic of who has the right to own what when it concerns the PRCA and these contestants. It's a chicken vs. egg argument at this point on who made who. It took both groups to get the PRCA where it is today and vice versa. The questions remains who owns the future and what the contestants can do as individuals in a world so dominated by the PRCA.
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| MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 2:28 PM I see what you're saying. But WHY do you think the PRCA would "maliciously pick on" the ERA themselves. The PBR is HUGE they had just as much to gain by singling them out if they wanted to a long time ago. You REALLY dont think it has to do with the PRCA not wanting to allow to have the owners of a competing, rival, company, using the PRCA as a stepping stone to build their own company up?.........when the only reason anyone knows them in the first place is because of the accomplishments they have through the PRCA.
I think their intention was to protect themselves and their many years of work product. Not to be particularly malicious to any one group. The problem is that they were not proactive to these threats and reacted in haste. The result was poorly written bylaws. | |
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Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
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| Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM
Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
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Location: The edge of no where | Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
I'm still betting its resolved in time for Trevor to win it this year. | |
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| MS2011 - 2016-02-12 3:31 PM Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
I'm still betting its resolved in time for Trevor to win it this year.
I'll take that bet, MS. | |
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Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM
Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
JoJo Lemmond
Josh Peek could be a good bet if he decided to go for it. He has about $10k in bulldogging but nothing with his rope yet. | |
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| TXBO - 2016-02-12 3:42 PM
MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:22 PM
Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM
Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
JoJo Lemmond
Josh Peek could be a good bet if he decided to go for it. He has about $10k in bulldogging but nothing with his rope yet.
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Location: The edge of no where | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:43 PM
TXBO - 2016-02-12 3:42 PM
MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:22 PM
Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM
Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
JoJo Lemmond
Josh Peek could be a good bet if he decided to go for it. He has about $10k in bulldogging but nothing with his rope yet.
Yeah,
I'm just partial. JoJo and I are childhood friends
He's a good guy.....
Did you know it's actually spelled Lemond?
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Location: The edge of no where | TXBO - 2016-02-12 3:35 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-12 3:31 PM Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
I'm still betting its resolved in time for Trevor to win it this year.
I know I'm probably being overly optimistic - I'd just like to see this deal worked out and everyone get to play.
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| MS2011 - 2016-02-12 3:47 PM
MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:43 PM
TXBO - 2016-02-12 3:42 PM
MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:22 PM
Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM
Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
JoJo Lemmond
Josh Peek could be a good bet if he decided to go for it. He has about $10k in bulldogging but nothing with his rope yet.
Yeah,
I'm just partial. JoJo and I are childhood friends
He's a good guy.....
Did you know it's actually spelled Lemond?
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| MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:43 PM TXBO - 2016-02-12 3:42 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:22 PM Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
JoJo Lemmond Josh Peek could be a good bet if he decided to go for it. He has about $10k in bulldogging but nothing with his rope yet. Yeah, I'm just partial. JoJo and I are childhood friends
He is one of my favorites to watch. He's going for the win every time. | |
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| TXBO - 2016-02-12 3:58 PM
MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:43 PM TXBO - 2016-02-12 3:42 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:22 PM Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
JoJo Lemmond Josh Peek could be a good bet if he decided to go for it. He has about $10k in bulldogging but nothing with his rope yet. Yeah, I'm just partial. JoJo and I are childhood friends
He is just as good of a man as he is a roper. | |
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| MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 4:13 PM TXBO - 2016-02-12 3:58 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:43 PM TXBO - 2016-02-12 3:42 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-12 3:22 PM Nevertooold - 2016-02-12 3:16 PM Looks like we will have a new All Around Cowboy.
Should we start taking bets on who it's going to be?
JoJo Lemmond Josh Peek could be a good bet if he decided to go for it. He has about $10k in bulldogging but nothing with his rope yet. Yeah, I'm just partial. JoJo and I are childhood friends He is just as good of a man as he is a roper.
I suspected this. I've seen him at several ropings over the years. Mingles with the low level ropers like he is one of the guys. | |
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The judge ordered it to go to a mediator. My understanding is that neither the ERA or the PRCA is willing to budge on their wants. You have cowboys trying to get out of the ERA completely or at least turn their stock shares back over. It doesn't sound like this thing will be resolved anytime soon. Meanwhile these guys are sitting at home while the big money winter rodeos are going on. If this thing drags out long enough, well it's safe to say the NFR will look a lot different this year. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Traveling is part of rodeo thus is part of the job. If you don't want to do that job find another one. The "elite" of the PRCA already have a huge advantage of going to the big indoor rodeos that the other members don't that would love to have the opportunity of running for those big bucks. | |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | I Guess one of the things that gets me about the folks who are in the ERA is they keet saying they want to win more money but travel less.......ummmmm, this makes no sense to me. If you want the money, especially as an athlete, traveling is part of it. Even in the coprorate world, the more money you make, they more time you spend traveling. The Nascar guys are on the road 10 months out of the year, with only 2 weekends off. In the NBA, they play 82games in a season, then playoffs, plus training camps, etc in the off season. I'm pretty sure golfers can be at tournaments year round and you have to get to the tournament on Wed, play Thur-Sun and then go hom for a couple days. If you want to be an athlete and are lucky enough to have the talent making your living in your sport and not doing the 8-5 M-F, then you are going to be on the road. Period. That is just how it is being the life of an athlete.
I know Charmaybe retired from Professional rodeo because she wanted to stay home with her family. That was her choice and probably the right one. In some of her interviews it sounds like she still wants to rodeo, just doesn't want to travel. As much as I'd love to see Charmayne still competing, she made her choice, because you can't have both. you can't be a professional athlete and stay home all year.
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| barlracr429 - 2016-02-14 1:58 PM I Guess one of the things that gets me about the folks who are in the ERA is they keet saying they want to win more money but travel less.......ummmmm, this makes no sense to me. If you want the money, especially as an athlete, traveling is part of it. Even in the coprorate world, the more money you make, they more time you spend traveling. The Nascar guys are on the road 10 months out of the year, with only 2 weekends off. In the NBA, they play 82games in a season, then playoffs, plus training camps, etc in the off season. I'm pretty sure golfers can be at tournaments year round and you have to get to the tournament on Wed, play Thur-Sun and then go hom for a couple days. If you want to be an athlete and are lucky enough to have the talent making your living in your sport and not doing the 8-5 M-F, then you are going to be on the road. Period. That is just how it is being the life of an athlete.
I know Charmaybe retired from Professional rodeo because she wanted to stay home with her family. That was her choice and probably the right one. In some of her interviews it sounds like she still wants to rodeo, just doesn't want to travel. As much as I'd love to see Charmayne still competing, she made her choice, because you can't have both. you can't be a professional athlete and stay home all year.
Maybe they are wanting more of an NFL schedule. They only play once a week for about 3 months or so. LOL
How many PBR Built Ford Tough events do they have per year? I know they are off after their finals in October until January or so I think. It seemed like they were off during the Tour de France bike race since they were on the same channel, but I don't know if that is still the case. I'm sure they are basically wanting to do like the PBR and just go to one place for the weekend and stay there. Don't know that for sure.
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Location: In my own little world | sodapop - 2016-02-14 10:06 PM barlracr429 - 2016-02-14 1:58 PM I Guess one of the things that gets me about the folks who are in the ERA is they keet saying they want to win more money but travel less.......ummmmm, this makes no sense to me. If you want the money, especially as an athlete, traveling is part of it. Even in the coprorate world, the more money you make, they more time you spend traveling. The Nascar guys are on the road 10 months out of the year, with only 2 weekends off. In the NBA, they play 82games in a season, then playoffs, plus training camps, etc in the off season. I'm pretty sure golfers can be at tournaments year round and you have to get to the tournament on Wed, play Thur-Sun and then go hom for a couple days. If you want to be an athlete and are lucky enough to have the talent making your living in your sport and not doing the 8-5 M-F, then you are going to be on the road. Period. That is just how it is being the life of an athlete.
I know Charmaybe retired from Professional rodeo because she wanted to stay home with her family. That was her choice and probably the right one. In some of her interviews it sounds like she still wants to rodeo, just doesn't want to travel. As much as I'd love to see Charmayne still competing, she made her choice, because you can't have both. you can't be a professional athlete and stay home all year.
Maybe they are wanting more of an NFL schedule. They only play once a week for about 3 months or so. LOL
How many PBR Built Ford Tough events do they have per year? I know they are off after their finals in October until January or so I think. It seemed like they were off during the Tour de France bike race since they were on the same channel, but I don't know if that is still the case. I'm sure they are basically wanting to do like the PBR and just go to one place for the weekend and stay there. Don't know that for sure.
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| sodapop - 2016-02-14 10:06 PM
barlracr429 - 2016-02-14 1:58 PM I Guess one of the things that gets me about the folks who are in the ERA is they keet saying they want to win more money but travel less.......ummmmm, this makes no sense to me. If you want the money, especially as an athlete, traveling is part of it. Even in the coprorate world, the more money you make, they more time you spend traveling. The Nascar guys are on the road 10 months out of the year, with only 2 weekends off. In the NBA, they play 82games in a season, then playoffs, plus training camps, etc in the off season. I'm pretty sure golfers can be at tournaments year round and you have to get to the tournament on Wed, play Thur-Sun and then go hom for a couple days. If you want to be an athlete and are lucky enough to have the talent making your living in your sport and not doing the 8-5 M-F, then you are going to be on the road. Period. That is just how it is being the life of an athlete.
I know Charmaybe retired from Professional rodeo because she wanted to stay home with her family. That was her choice and probably the right one. In some of her interviews it sounds like she still wants to rodeo, just doesn't want to travel. As much as I'd love to see Charmayne still competing, she made her choice, because you can't have both. you can't be a professional athlete and stay home all year.
Maybe they are wanting more of an NFL schedule. They only play once a week for about 3 months or so. LOL
How many PBR Built Ford Tough events do they have per year? I know they are off after their finals in October until January or so I think. It seemed like they were off during the Tour de France bike race since they were on the same channel, but I don't know if that is still the case. I'm sure they are basically wanting to do like the PBR and just go to one place for the weekend and stay there. Don't know that for sure.
Those NFL guys are working much more than the 3 months of football season. They too miss out on a lot of their children's firsts. The NFL is a full time job about 10 months out of the year. At least for the big name players. Plus those NFL guys have to go to all the scheduled games, practices,training camps, etc. The PRCA guys and choose where they go. | |
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| SKM - 2016-02-15 5:47 AM sodapop - 2016-02-14 10:06 PM barlracr429 - 2016-02-14 1:58 PM I Guess one of the things that gets me about the folks who are in the ERA is they keet saying they want to win more money but travel less.......ummmmm, this makes no sense to me. If you want the money, especially as an athlete, traveling is part of it. Even in the coprorate world, the more money you make, they more time you spend traveling. The Nascar guys are on the road 10 months out of the year, with only 2 weekends off. In the NBA, they play 82games in a season, then playoffs, plus training camps, etc in the off season. I'm pretty sure golfers can be at tournaments year round and you have to get to the tournament on Wed, play Thur-Sun and then go hom for a couple days. If you want to be an athlete and are lucky enough to have the talent making your living in your sport and not doing the 8-5 M-F, then you are going to be on the road. Period. That is just how it is being the life of an athlete.
I know Charmaybe retired from Professional rodeo because she wanted to stay home with her family. That was her choice and probably the right one. In some of her interviews it sounds like she still wants to rodeo, just doesn't want to travel. As much as I'd love to see Charmayne still competing, she made her choice, because you can't have both. you can't be a professional athlete and stay home all year.
Maybe they are wanting more of an NFL schedule. They only play once a week for about 3 months or so. LOL
How many PBR Built Ford Tough events do they have per year? I know they are off after their finals in October until January or so I think. It seemed like they were off during the Tour de France bike race since they were on the same channel, but I don't know if that is still the case. I'm sure they are basically wanting to do like the PBR and just go to one place for the weekend and stay there. Don't know that for sure. Those NFL guys are working much more than the 3 months of football season. They too miss out on a lot of their children's firsts. The NFL is a full time job about 10 months out of the year. At least for the big name players. Plus those NFL guys have to go to all the scheduled games, practices,training camps, etc. The PRCA guys and choose where they go.
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-02-15 6:16 AM If their big deal is that they want to travel less for more money why is their schedule set up to have a break from the end of May and start back up in September? Would they not still be doing a lot of traveling to make it to the PRCA rodeos during that break? From what I've seen and read over the years June-August is a big travel time for those that rodeo.
Pretty sure the ERA scheduled it that way so they could fully hit the PRCA summer run and not miss out. Well, that backfired.. | |
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| Dash4KJ - 2016-02-15 8:51 AM
miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-02-15 6:16 AM If their big deal is that they want to travel less for more money why is their schedule set up to have a break from the end of May and start back up in September? Would they not still be doing a lot of traveling to make it to the PRCA rodeos during that break? From what I've seen and read over the years June-August is a big travel time for those that rodeo.
Pretty sure the ERA scheduled it that way so they could fully hit the PRCA summer run and not miss out. Well, that backfired..
That's what I mean. If they wanted less travel why did they leave there schedule open to do all of the summer traveling? And when I ask this I already understand that this is how they make money etc. It just seems to be a bit contradicting to me. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine.
Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? | |
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| MS2011 - 2016-02-15 3:37 PM
MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine.
Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives?
Oh, I just remember reading one of Cody Ohl's recent posts about hating to fly back and forth to rodeos in a private plane with Trevor or whatever this past week or so...like someone was twisting his arm....when their first ERA rodeo is in three weeks or so right? I just don't buy that reasoning....I think they want to make as much money as possible however they can. Period. There is nothing wrong with that..........BUT own it!!! Dont give some BS excuse about not wanting to haul as many miles. I REALLY REALLY doubt we would have seen rodeo count go down. I find it extremely naive that anyone would think that these guys wouldnt go to as many rodeos to make it to the NFR "to provide for their families" with the rounds paying as much as they are now. GIVE ME A BREAK! You make the NFR by hitting rodeos, lots of them most of the time, NFR rounds pay LIKE A SLOT MACHINE too, so if this truly IS money motivated #provideForMyFamily reasoning then we are going to see them at just as many rodeos.
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MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine.
Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives?
You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group.
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group.
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Location: The edge of no where | ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group.
There were 6 girls that finished in the top 50 with under 40 rodeos last year....
Rank Name Amount Rodeo Count
34th Kaley Bass $35,322.59 18
46th Tara Muldoon $29,409.29 18
10th Nancy Hunter $147,301.19 26
28th Brenda Mays $42,382.97 32
2nd Lisa Lockhart $285,058.97 39
47th Julie Leggett $29,225.50 39
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | MS2011 - 2016-02-16 9:44 AM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. Rank Name Amount Rodeo Count 34th Kaley Bass $35,322.59 18 46th Tara Muldoon $29,409.29 18 10th Nancy Hunter $147,301.19 26 28th Brenda Mays $42,382.97 32 2nd Lisa Lockhart $285,058.97 39 47th Julie Leggett $29,225.50 39 At least in the guys events - they take the top 5 from 2016 standing IF they were not already included in the top 50 from last year.
You think Lisa Lockhart didn't rodeo full time? 39 rodeos that range from Florida, to TX, to SD, to WY to Calgary to Vegas, that is A LOT of miles. 39 rodeos, if they are only 1 day, one run, most are more, that is still 39 weekends out of 52 weekends is still 75% of the weeks in a year. Don't forget your at Vegas for 2 weeks, Calgary for a week and depending if your Pool A or B or Wildcard and finals, that could stretch over numerous days. Plus the time to travel to get there. I would say anything over 25 rodeos a year is FULL TIME.
Kaley Bass went full time 6 months until she went home the end of June to have her baby and now she is back at it.
ANd this count is only the WPRA sanctioned rodeos. These girls were at more than just WPRA events.
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Location: SE KS | my thought on the ERA - who wouldn't want to live the life of a rodeo contestant and at the level these guys have. My husband is an awesome rodeo cowboy and cowboy - he has went to the steer roping finals 5 times and winning the average his first year there. Has won Pendleton ...... so yes I would love to continue to rodeo and have what the ERA is belly aching about but you know what - my husband had other responsibilities like, taking care of cattle, riding pastures, doctoring cattle and processing cattle that came in onthe truck every week we had around 300-400 head of cattle on hand all the time. so he couldn't live in the arena and practice pen like some of these guys were able too. Now they are belly aching that they don't want to travel as hard, be home more, make a little more money but still have the lifestyle they had while running up and down the road. Life is full of choices - I really don't care if the ERA is successful or not, quite frankly I'm tired of hearing them whine.
that is why you have your circuit finals - champion challege- and the ram national finals - open rodeos etc - some of these guys are just spoiled.
we will never be like the NFL, NBA, MLB -
my husband didn't have access to the money sponsors like T brazile and some of these others guys where they rode high dollar horses. We made our own horses - and traveled on our own dime - it just makes me crazy. I have been silent on these subject but I look at these guys and it just makes me angry at them. I won't spend a dime to go watch them at an ERA rodeo - PRCA rodeo or any other time unless I'm already there to time the rodeo or particiapating. They are not any more special than the rest of us. They put there pants on one leg at a time like we do. I will try to end my rant here.
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| Dinero10 - 2016-02-16 9:34 AM
my thought on the ERA - who wouldn't want to live the life of a rodeo contestant and at the level these guys have. My husband is an awesome rodeo cowboy and cowboy - he has went to the steer roping finals 5 times and winning the average his first year there. Has won Pendleton ...... so yes I would love to continue to rodeo and have what the ERA is belly aching about but you know what - my husband had other responsibilities like, taking care of cattle, riding pastures, doctoring cattle and processing cattle that came in onthe truck every week we had around 300-400 head of cattle on hand all the time. so he couldn't live in the arena and practice pen like some of these guys were able too. Now they are belly aching that they don't want to travel as hard, be home more, make a little more money but still have the lifestyle they had while running up and down the road. Life is full of choices - I really don't care if the ERA is successful or not, quite frankly I'm tired of hearing them whine.
that is why you have your circuit finals - champion challege- and the ram national finals - open rodeos etc - some of these guys are just spoiled.
we will never be like the NFL, NBA, MLB -
my husband didn't have access to the money sponsors like T brazile and some of these others guys where they rode high dollar horses. We made our own horses - and traveled on our own dime - it just makes me crazy. I have been silent on these subject but I look at these guys and it just makes me angry at them. I won't spend a dime to go watch them at an ERA rodeo - PRCA rodeo or any other time unless I'm already there to time the rodeo or particiapating. They are not any more special than the rest of us. They put there pants on one leg at a time like we do. I will try to end my rant here.
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Location: SE KS | GLP - 2016-02-16 11:14 AM Dinero10 - 2016-02-16 9:34 AM my thought on the ERA - who wouldn't want to live the life of a rodeo contestant and at the level these guys have. My husband is an awesome rodeo cowboy and cowboy - he has went to the steer roping finals 5 times and winning the average his first year there. Has won Pendleton ...... so yes I would love to continue to rodeo and have what the ERA is belly aching about but you know what - my husband had other responsibilities like, taking care of cattle, riding pastures, doctoring cattle and processing cattle that came in onthe truck every week we had around 300-400 head of cattle on hand all the time. so he couldn't live in the arena and practice pen like some of these guys were able too. Now they are belly aching that they don't want to travel as hard, be home more, make a little more money but still have the lifestyle they had while running up and down the road. Life is full of choices - I really don't care if the ERA is successful or not, quite frankly I'm tired of hearing them whine.
that is why you have your circuit finals - champion challege- and the ram national finals - open rodeos etc - some of these guys are just spoiled.
we will never be like the NFL, NBA, MLB -
my husband didn't have access to the money sponsors like T brazile and some of these others guys where they rode high dollar horses. We made our own horses - and traveled on our own dime - it just makes me crazy. I have been silent on these subject but I look at these guys and it just makes me angry at them. I won't spend a dime to go watch them at an ERA rodeo - PRCA rodeo or any other time unless I'm already there to time the rodeo or particiapating. They are not any more special than the rest of us. They put there pants on one leg at a time like we do. I will try to end my rant here.
Thank You!! I am not good at expressing myself, but you did it perfectly for me.
just spoke from my heart.
I just don't know where these guys think they are any more important than the rest of us. IF they leave all I can say is" don't let the door hit you as you walk out." There are many good cowboy and cowgirls just as tough but some of us have other responsibilities.
appears to me based on the current schedule - they will still be doing some traveling.....
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Location: SE KS | JAG18 - 2016-02-10 2:26 PM I would think that a lot of the guys wouldn't want to be sitting at home. They rodeo because the love the sport. Even if they don't need the money, I would think that they would rather be at a rodeo than doing other things.
but life isn't always fair - and sometime we have to do things we don't want to do.
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Location: The edge of no where | Dinero10 - 2016-02-16 3:07 PM
JAG18 - 2016-02-10 2:26 PM I would think that a lot of the guys wouldn't want to be sitting at home. They rodeo because the love the sport. Even if they don't need the money, I would think that they would rather be at a rodeo than doing other things.
but life isn't always fair - and sometime we have to do things we don't want to do.
It's not fair at all.......and it's tough when you've got to win to be able to play at all. (especially steer roping because it's the most expensive event to enter)
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| MS2011 - 2016-02-16 3:31 PM
Dinero10 - 2016-02-16 3:07 PM
JAG18 - 2016-02-10 2:26 PM I would think that a lot of the guys wouldn't want to be sitting at home. They rodeo because the love the sport. Even if they don't need the money, I would think that they would rather be at a rodeo than doing other things.
but life isn't always fair - and sometime we have to do things we don't want to do.
It's not fair at all.......and it's tough when you've got to win to be able to play at all. (especially steer roping because it's the most expensive event to enter )
That's why I'd love to see rodeo have more options for top competitors.
They do not HAVE TO WIN to be able to play. They could get a part time or full time 8 to 5 job to pay entry fees like a lot of people HAVE to do and enter the ammys and the jackpots around the ERA rodeos. Are you talking about steer tripping or team roping being the most expensive event to enter? I think options are GREAT, I was excited about the ERA until I realized it was just a get rich scheme for a few.
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Location: SE KS | MS2011 - 2016-02-16 3:31 PM Dinero10 - 2016-02-16 3:07 PM JAG18 - 2016-02-10 2:26 PM I would think that a lot of the guys wouldn't want to be sitting at home. They rodeo because the love the sport. Even if they don't need the money, I would think that they would rather be at a rodeo than doing other things. but life isn't always fair - and sometime we have to do things we don't want to do.
It's not fair at all.......and it's tough when you've got to win to be able to play at all. (especially steer roping because it's the most expensive event to enter ) That's why I'd love to see rodeo have more options for top competitors.
ERA hasn't even included the steer ropers - plus not everyone enjoys or appreciates the true steer roping venue the way it should be - horsemanship . not this ducking off that they do now and rope a little bigger cattle - not these weak things they rope now.
I don't know where you live - but around here they have the osage steer ropings, acra steer ropings, and prca of course..... steer ropers can't make a living steer roping. It would be nice but don't beleive it will happen - not every arena is big enough.
Motivated - she is speaking of the steer roping (trippin") which entry fees are expensive. I added up one year of entry fees alone that we spent $30,000 (entry fees only) this was for PRCA rodeos, the inviational jackpots, San Angelo, Pawhuska etc.... entry fees can be $300 and up....
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| Dinero10 - 2016-02-16 3:56 PM
MS2011 - 2016-02-16 3:31 PM Dinero10 - 2016-02-16 3:07 PM JAG18 - 2016-02-10 2:26 PM I would think that a lot of the guys wouldn't want to be sitting at home. They rodeo because the love the sport. Even if they don't need the money, I would think that they would rather be at a rodeo than doing other things. but life isn't always fair - and sometime we have to do things we don't want to do.
It's not fair at all.......and it's tough when you've got to win to be able to play at all. (especially steer roping because it's the most expensive event to enter ) That's why I'd love to see rodeo have more options for top competitors.
ERA hasn't even included the steer ropers - plus not everyone enjoys or appreciates the true steer roping venue the way it should be - horsemanship . not this ducking off that they do now and rope a little bigger cattle - not these weak things they rope now.
I don't know where you live - but around here they have the osage steer ropings, acra steer ropings, and prca of course..... steer ropers can't make a living steer roping. It would be nice but don't beleive it will happen - not every arena is big enough.
Motivated - she is speaking of the steer roping (trippin") which entry fees are expensive. I added up one year of entry fees alone that we spent $30,000 (entry fees only) this was for PRCA rodeos, the inviational jackpots, San Angelo, Pawhuska etc.... entry fees can be $300 and up....
Yeah, I was just clarifying what she meant. I knew the trippin fees were high. I know that Steer Roping is the correct term, I grew up calling it tripping, old habits are hard to break. I thought maybe she might be talking about Team Roping because their fees are usually higher than the other events as well...
Just FYI, I think its great that your husband came home and helped you. It's not every rodeo athlete that says they miss home and actually goes home to to be with family. It's an addiction a lot of time, I know for what little I get to go it is. It takes a lot to put your dreams aside and stay home when its time. Very honorable. He could have just as easily used the "missing home" excuse as a front to throw a big ol fit about having to come home from "living the dream" and he didnt, he manned up and did what he had to do. KUDOS. | |
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| I am afraid for these guys to make the money they want to, the rodeo fan base will have to be much larger. It doesn't matter how many sponsors you get, if enough of the fans don't buy/use their product as a result of advertising, they will drop their sponsorship. If you can't fill your stadium with fans to buy at the concession stand and buy promotional stuff, like T-shirts, etc., then you will have a hard time getting that place the next year. That will make getting the added money for the higher payouts tougher. Everyone involved will want to make money, and to do that you need a lot of fans. The NBA and MLB are always competing with the NFL for attention from fans, sponsors and radio and TV time. That is what rodeo will have to do and I don't think rodeo is main stream enough to do that. Not that many people understand rodeo or even want to. At the end of the day it is a business and profit is will drive it. JMO | |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | I think a lot of people are missing this point when it come to the ERA.... Sorry if this has been posted, haven't read every single post and this popped up last night.
?This is from a page called "Rodeo Basics 101" on Facebook
Okay, I am going to get a little off the Advertising subject and possibly make some people mad, but I have been receiving numerous messages in reference to the PRCA / ERA battle, so I wanted to address the issue. Again, as I stated prior , this is based my experiences and opinions, and if you do not agree, I respect your position. So here goes I know I don't have to explain the fact that there is thousands of opinions, agreements as well as disagreements flying through the social media world. I have read many of them, but through all of the information and opinions that have been posted the root of the problem and what really really caused the uproar is not being addressed. Contestants and fans who are supporting the ERA , by the way, I DO NOT, and my post will explain why that is, think that the PRCA are the bad guys and are just trying to control the destiny of the contestants and deny them from competing in the ERA. NOT TRUE. Here are some facts that some or most of you may not be aware of . The PRCA retaliated against the ERA for one reason and one reason only. That being UNETHICAL BUSINESS PRACTICE. No company, no organization or entity of any type is going to lie down and allow another company, organization or entity to attack and or take their assets without a fight. While the PRCA does not own the PRCA rodeos that are hosted throughout the year, those events are sanctioned by the PRCA and are assets to them in that they generate a portion of the funding that operates the PRCA and they are products of the hard work that the PRCA has invested in the events with marketing and sponsorship assistance and with thousands of hours and dollars of publicity. Now most of you may be a little stumped right now. These next statements are factual, because it happened to me on a larger rodeo that I market and am involved in heavily. The ERA went behind the backs of the PRCA and the stock contractors and went directly to PRCA rodeo committees and tried to sell the concept of taking one - two of the already in place performances and converting them to ERA sanctioned events. This is simply unethical. Any business of any kind would have retaliated in the same situation. The PRCA and the stock contractors simply came back with tactics to protect their business assets and income. Wouldn't you have done the same. Everyone is comparing the ERA and the PBR. The difference in the PBR, they went to new cities, or went into a city that hosted a PRCA rodeo at a different time of year, built their own and took their hard knocks to do it all. They did not try to manipulate currently successful events to change to their association. The truth is being avoided in all of the publicity. This is the root of the problem | |
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| Now I'm confused. Originally they all said they wanted to travel less. The ERA schedule just recently came out and some of these ERA guys are acting like it was there all along. Sure hope they don't choke on all that cake they are wanting:
A year ago, Austin Foss clinched the coveted bareback bronc riding title at the San Angelo Stock Show and Rodeo.
The former Wrangler National Finals Rodeo qualifier finished No. 1 in the title race after turning in an attention-grabbing final round score of 87 at the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association show.
But this year, Foss, an Oregon cowboy, was denied the opportunity to compete in the renowned San Angelo Rodeo because he's a shareholder in a newly formed association called Elite Rodeo Athletes, which has organized a tour of eight lucrative rodeos throughout 2016.
"We were expelled from the PRCA," Foss said. "We had it set up so we could go to four ERA rodeos in the spring and four in the fall. Under that type of schedule, we had it set up so we could rodeo (on the PRCA circuit) all summer."
The PRCA, which sanctions and governs the tradition-rich San Angelo Rodeo, recently changed its bylaws to prohibit ERA shareholders from being PRCA members.
As a result, fans who have attended this year's San Angelo PRCA show have been denied watching some of the biggest stars in the business, such as 23-time world champion Trevor Brazile and six-time world champion Cody Ohl, who both are deep in the ERA.
However, the San Angelo Rodeo still is very healthy. Wednesday and Thursday nights' performances were sold out at the Foster Communications Coliseum. Tonight's PRCA rodeo final round performance and Saturday's Cinch Chute-Out Rodeo also are sellouts.
"We lost some contestants, but it was less than 5 percent," said Tom Thompson, the San Angelo Rodeo's marketing director. "But unfortunately, it's some of the big name people. However, fans are still going to come to out to the rodeo. We sold about 75 percent of our tickets before our first performance (on Feb. 5)."
High profile riders such as Brazile, Ohl and Foss were excluded from the San Angelo Rodeo, along with all other PRCA approved rodeos, as a result of a Feb. 4 court ruling. U.S. District Judge Barbara Lynn ruled in favor of the PRCA, allowing the PRCA to enforce bylaws that will keep its members from owning shares in the ERA.
The ERA had filed a lawsuit seeking a preliminary injunction against the PRCA and alleging that recent bylaws were anticompetitive.
In October, the PRCA enacted bylaws denying anyone with an ownership share in the new rodeo enterprise from purchasing a PRCA membership this year and performing in PRCA events, including the San Angelo Stock Show Rodeo.
The lawsuit brought by ERA, which was heard in a Dallas courtroom on Dec. 29, sought a court order to temporarily stop PRCA from enforcing the new bylaws pending the outcome of another lawsuit that challenged the PRCA's right to punish ERA shareholders by withdrawing their memberships, and as a result their right to compete in PRCA events.
More than a month later, Lynn ruled, "Plaintiffs have not made a clear showing that they will suffer irreparable harm absent a preliminary injunction, nor that they are likely to succeed on the merits of their claims."
When the ruling came down, the PRCA bylaws at issue were immediately enforced and could alter the rodeo landscape for the rest of the year. Many of the ERA's top cowboys were planning on competing in the San Angelo Rodeo, but they were denied the right to do so when Lynn made the ruling on Feb. 4, the day before the 2016 San Angelo Rodeo began. Lynn had ruled that ERA shareholders could compete in PRCA rodeos in January and early February while she was studying the motion for a preliminary injunction.
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Lynn specifically said in her ruling on the injunction that the ERA's lawsuit against the PRCA can continue, and she denied the PRCA's motion to dismiss the original lawsuit.
"Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power" in arguments against the PRCA, she wrote.
Barrel racers are not subject to the ruling because they are in a separate organization — the Women's Professional Rodeo Association — and were not part of the lawsuit. For example, four-time WPRA world champion Sherry Cervi has advanced to tonight's San Angelo finals, which is called the short-go. Cervi also is on the ERA tour.
Though fans will have been denied seeing PRCA icons such as Brazile, Ohl and Foss, the 2016 San Angelo Rodeo has attracted many credentialed competitors who opted to not participate in the ERA.
For example, Caleb Smidt, the PRCA's defending world champion tie-down roper, has qualified for tonight's final round. Defending world champion saddle bronc rider Jacobs Crawley also is on the card.
Meanwhile, the ERA is gearing up to begin its tour next month. The first tour stop is scheduled for March 26-27 in Redmond, Oregon.
The $4.6 million ERA tour has scheduled stops in eight cities, including a Nov. 9-13 championship show at American Airlines Center in Dallas. The ERA is advertising ticket sales for the 2016 tour stops on the association's website.
"The ERA will continue to present the best collection of professional rodeo athletes during its inaugural 2016 season — starting with the first ERA rodeo next month in Redmond Oregon," said Tony Garritano, CEO and president of the ERA.
Though Foss has been denied competing for the title at some of the biggest winter rodeos in the country in cities such as San Angelo, San Antonio and Fort Worth, he said he's elated to be part of the ERA.
"It's worth sacrificing some things for in order to see some positive things happen," Foss said.
Another popular competitor who has been denied a PRCA membership is Richmond Champion, who qualified for the 2014 PRCA National Finals in Las Vegas. However, he's best known for earning a record $1.1 million prize after clinching the bareback riding title at RFD-TV's The American two years ago at AT&T Stadium in Arlington.
Champion took a hit two weeks ago as a result of the court ruling against the ERA. He was leading the bareback riding title race at the Fort Worth Rodeo, which concluded on Feb. 6. However, he was drawn out of the Fort Worth rodeo immediately following the Feb. 4 court ruling.
"It was unfortunate," Champion said. "But the risk was out there and I was fully aware of it."
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| Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business.
I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise? | |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | NFM - 2016-02-19 12:03 PM Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business. I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise?
It isn't that they wanted to go to ERA and PRCA rodeos while being part owner of the business, it is that they wanted to use PRCA rodeos as a way to promote the ERA and have people start qualifying to earn a spot in the ERA. | |
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Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business.
I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise?
When I try to take emotion out of this debaucle, here is what I think it might look like in the business world:
Someone has an insurance agency that they've spent years building. There's a few really good agents in the agency that have used the opportunity given them and now are very successful, partly because of their hard work and partly because of the success of the agency.
After a few years, they go to the owner and say, listen we really don't like working these hours we have. And we're exceptional and really too good for your agency. What we're going to do is work for you some, in your office, using your computers, contacts etc, but we're going to build something better with less hours and that really displays how good we are. Oh, and as you hire new agents and as they get experience and do well, we're going to ask them to join us. You don't mind do you?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | chicks2 - 2016-02-21 1:50 PM NFM - 2016-02-19 1:03 PM Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business. I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise? When I try to take emotion out of this debaucle, here is what I think it might look like in the business world: Someone has an insurance agency that they've spent years building. There's a few really good agents in the agency that have used the opportunity given them and now are very successful, partly because of their hard work and partly because of the success of the agency. After a few years, they go to the owner and say, listen we really don't like working these hours we have. And we're exceptional and really too good for your agency. What we're going to do is work for you some, in your office, using your computers, contacts etc, but we're going to build something better with less hours and that really displays how good we are. Oh, and as you hire new agents and as they get experience and do well, we're going to ask them to join us. You don't mind do you?
Not exactly the best analogy…..The PRCA/Contestant is not an Employer/Employee scenario since the PRCA does not “pay” for or OWN the contestant’s “work product”.
Additionally, I think that most forget that the PRCA rule has far more ramifications than just the ERA owners….it also includes ANY person who has a financial interest in “ANY” competing rodeo organization (some pay their elected officials, board members, etc). | |
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chicks2 - 2016-02-21 1:50 PM NFM - 2016-02-19 1:03 PM Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business. I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise? When I try to take emotion out of this debaucle, here is what I think it might look like in the business world: Someone has an insurance agency that they've spent years building. There's a few really good agents in the agency that have used the opportunity given them and now are very successful, partly because of their hard work and partly because of the success of the agency. After a few years, they go to the owner and say, listen we really don't like working these hours we have. And we're exceptional and really too good for your agency. What we're going to do is work for you some, in your office, using your computers, contacts etc, but we're going to build something better with less hours and that really displays how good we are. Oh, and as you hire new agents and as they get experience and do well, we're going to ask them to join us. You don't mind do you?
Additionally, I think that most forget that the PRCA rule has far more ramifications than just the ERA owners….it also includes ANY person who has a financial interest in “ANY” competing rodeo organization (some pay their elected officials, board members, etc).
I would respectfully disagree. This is meant to be a simplyfied, bare bones comparison.
Many times a good part of an agent's compensation comes from the carrier not the agency, so it's not quite a pure employee/employer arrangement. The work product piece is also a bit different than in a pure employee/employer arrangement. The PRCA provides their infrastructure that provides the contestants the opportunity. The contestants then use that, hard work and talent to become successful in their event(s).
Maybe not exact, but pretty close. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | chicks2 - 2016-02-21 3:40 PM NJJ - 2016-02-21 2:46 PM chicks2 - 2016-02-21 1:50 PM NFM - 2016-02-19 1:03 PM Admittedly, I don't know all the in/out's of this lawsuit. My initial thought is, there is no business (rodeo or not) that would allow you to work for them while at the same time owning and promoting a competing business. I know they don't work for the PRCA, but I guess that is how I am seeing it in my mind. Is this incorrect thinking or this lawsuit even based on this premise? When I try to take emotion out of this debaucle, here is what I think it might look like in the business world: Someone has an insurance agency that they've spent years building. There's a few really good agents in the agency that have used the opportunity given them and now are very successful, partly because of their hard work and partly because of the success of the agency. After a few years, they go to the owner and say, listen we really don't like working these hours we have. And we're exceptional and really too good for your agency. What we're going to do is work for you some, in your office, using your computers, contacts etc, but we're going to build something better with less hours and that really displays how good we are. Oh, and as you hire new agents and as they get experience and do well, we're going to ask them to join us. You don't mind do you?
Additionally, I think that most forget that the PRCA rule has far more ramifications than just the ERA owners….it also includes ANY person who has a financial interest in “ANY” competing rodeo organization (some pay their elected officials, board members, etc). I would respectfully disagree. This is meant to be a simplyfied, bare bones comparison. Many times a good part of an agent's compensation comes from the carrier not the agency, so it's not quite a pure employee/employer arrangement. The work product piece is also a bit different than in a pure employee/employer arrangement. The PRCA provides their infrastructure that provides the contestants the opportunity. The contestants then use that, hard work and talent to become successful in their event (s ). Maybe not exact, but pretty close.
If that were a true analogy........then PRCA contestants would not be able to work any other rodeos..... | |
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Location: The edge of no where | ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group.
My crazy fool of a husband must've missed that memo.... he made it in with I *think* 3 rodeos. Actually went to 2 of them. | |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group.
He entered 2 rodeos and got into San Antonio. Wow. Who is your husband. That must have been quite a feat. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:01 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. It was.... he won Odessa which put him in the top 5 for 2016 and got an invite. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do to get in without rodeoing full time...but it can be done. This will be his 2nd trip there in the past 5 years and he's not gone to very many.....has a separate full time job.
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Location: The edge of no where | NJJ - 2016-02-21 6:10 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:01 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. It was.... he won Odessa which put him in the top 5 for 2016 and got an invite. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do to get in without rodeoing full time...but it can be done. This will be his 2nd trip there in the past 5 years and he's not gone to very many.....has a separate full time job.
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| As I understand it contestants can do what they want if they're not in an ownership or similar position with a competing organization. So if ERA offered dues paying memberships instead of buy in, contestants are 'free agents'...is that incorrect?
I think = I understand the goal of the ERA and their owners, from strictly a business model prespective, it doesn't hold together. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do have a business understanding and it doesn't support the ERA's expectations. I want this to work out, especially for those 'owners' that aren't Trevor. I think some of the folks may have been encouraged to enage with an unproven arrangement that doesn't help them or their families.
Hubby and I are going with some friends to The American a week from today where we'll see proven champions along with up and comers. We support them all. Long Live Rodeo and our Western Heritage, hopefully we can all work to keep it alive.
Good night to all and have a great Monday.....if that's possible!?!
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Location: SE KS | MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:11 PM NJJ - 2016-02-21 6:10 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:01 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. It was.... he won Odessa which put him in the top 5 for 2016 and got an invite. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do to get in without rodeoing full time...but it can be done. This will be his 2nd trip there in the past 5 years and he's not gone to very many.....has a separate full time job.
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Dinero10 - 2016-02-22 9:56 AM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:11 PM NJJ - 2016-02-21 6:10 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:01 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. It was.... he won Odessa which put him in the top 5 for 2016 and got an invite. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do to get in without rodeoing full time...but it can be done. This will be his 2nd trip there in the past 5 years and he's not gone to very many.....has a separate full time job.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-22 7:26 PM Dinero10 - 2016-02-22 9:56 AM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:11 PM NJJ - 2016-02-21 6:10 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:01 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. It was.... he won Odessa which put him in the top 5 for 2016 and got an invite. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do to get in without rodeoing full time...but it can be done. This will be his 2nd trip there in the past 5 years and he's not gone to very many.....has a separate full time job.
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | NJJ - 2016-02-23 12:54 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-22 7:26 PM Dinero10 - 2016-02-22 9:56 AM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:11 PM NJJ - 2016-02-21 6:10 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 6:01 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-21 5:33 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-21 4:34 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-02-15 9:20 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 6:24 PM SKM - 2016-02-15 5:30 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-15 2:37 PM MOTIVATED - 2016-02-15 11:59 AM Yes, if you dont want to travel as much as you have been with the PRCA, then why do you care if you are banned from entering other PRCA rodeos? Honestly, they aren't going to haul any less, they will still try to get to the NFR. It's all about money, not the amount of travel. They could just as easily go to ammys and open rodeos and jackpots close to home and the ERA rodeos (which they are bragging on how much money will pay anyway) and be just fine. Not wanting to constantly travel doesn't mean they might not want to enter some of the bigger rodeos - most of the ERA guys were qualified for San Antonio (for example). That rodeo pays out like a slot machine and your fees are covered by the rodeo itself. Why would you not want the option to enter there? Lots of the ERA guys are from Texas and one of the best rodeos is in their backyard. It doesn't mean that you have any intention of running down the road to 70+ rodeos a year.
What's so wrong with them wanting to be able to better provide for their families and make a **** good living while their able? At the end of the day - don't all of us go after everything we can to better our own lives? You still have to be in the top 50 to qualify for San Antonio. That does require traveling usually to get in that top group. It was.... he won Odessa which put him in the top 5 for 2016 and got an invite. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do to get in without rodeoing full time...but it can be done. This will be his 2nd trip there in the past 5 years and he's not gone to very many.....has a separate full time job.
Comparing the steer roping hauling requirements with the standard events is not a good comparison. I can assure you that if you qualified for San Antonio, with maybe the exception of a couple of entries that get in from the current years standings, you hauled a lot. I have qualified for San Antonio and I am well aware of the many miles it takes to get enter. | |
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Location: Texas! | Anyone else see this?
ERA dismisses its lawsuit against the PRCA
Today the efforts of the PRCA to protect its members and the Association were vindicated. At 1:12 p.m. Central Time, the ERA dismissed entirely its lawsuit against the PRCA. | |
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Go Your Own Way
Posts: 4947
Location: SE KS | WYOracer - 2016-02-23 3:47 PM Anyone else see this? ERA dismisses its lawsuit against the PRCA Today the efforts of the PRCA to protect its members and the Association were vindicated. At 1:12 p.m. Central Time, the ERA dismissed entirely its lawsuit against the PRCA.
yep saw it - that speaks volumes to me.
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Posts: 4122
| Wow... Didn't see this one coming!
http://www.prorodeo.com/news-display/2016/02/23/era-dismisses-its-lawsuit-against-the-prca | |
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| WYOracer - 2016-02-23 3:47 PM Anyone else see this? ERA dismisses its lawsuit against the PRCA Today the efforts of the PRCA to protect its members and the Association were vindicated. At 1:12 p.m. Central Time, the ERA dismissed entirely its lawsuit against the PRCA.
A little birdie told me last week this was going to happen most likely. | |
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Saint Stacey
| Elite Rodeo Athletes Decide to Not Pursue Antitrust Lawsuit at This Time
Will focus on 2016 ERA Premier Tour
BOERNE, TX (February 23, 2016) The ERA, Trevor Brazile, Bobby Mote, and Ryan Motes have decided that they will not continue with the pending antitrust class action lawsuit against the PRCA at this time. The decision has come after looking at the real reasons the ERA was formed and why the PRCA’s anticompetitive bylaws were put in to place.
They are pleased that a court recognized the allegations against the PRCA are serious and authorized the lawsuit to proceed, but have concluded that it is better for them, the ERA Tour, and the sport of rodeo to avoid the distraction of an expensive and long legal battle with PRCA for now.
“The ERA has always been about creating a rodeo property that is unique to the marketplace and that fans could enjoy,” states Tony Garritano, CEO & President of the ERA. “The unwavering support and commitment to the vision of the ERA, whether by an owner or participant has been overwhelming. The idea of showcasing the best rodeo contestants on one stage through a regular-season format that culminates in a championship event and having it all nationally televised has always been the vision,” Tony Garritano explains.
Future generations of rodeo contestants will be eligible to compete in the ERA either as participants or owners. The ERA is open to the very best rodeo talent through an ability-driven system like most other professional sports.
“We continue to move forward with the ERA and are excited about the upcoming inaugural season. The fans will be excited to see what we have planned and we will provide a great show for them,” says 3-time World Champion Tie-down Roper Tuf Cooper.
The first ERA event is scheduled for March 25-26 in Redmond, Oregon, ending with its World Championship in Dallas, Texas, November 9-13. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | scwebster - 2016-02-23 5:00 PM WYOracer - 2016-02-23 3:47 PM Anyone else see this? ERA dismisses its lawsuit against the PRCA Today the efforts of the PRCA to protect its members and the Association were vindicated. At 1:12 p.m. Central Time, the ERA dismissed entirely its lawsuit against the PRCA. A little birdie told me last week this was going to happen most likely.
you must really be hooked up | |
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Posts: 2128
| 1DSoon - 2016-02-23 6:48 PM scwebster - 2016-02-23 5:00 PM WYOracer - 2016-02-23 3:47 PM Anyone else see this? ERA dismisses its lawsuit against the PRCA Today the efforts of the PRCA to protect its members and the Association were vindicated. At 1:12 p.m. Central Time, the ERA dismissed entirely its lawsuit against the PRCA. A little birdie told me last week this was going to happen most likely.
Not really. I just have a friend whos family member sits on the board of the ERA. | |
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| That's a lot of legal fees they have paid just to back out all together. A LOT of money wasted I would think.
I wonder if the WPRA will follow suit now? | |
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 Wishing I were a Wildcat
Location: 'Hawk Country | I'm wondering what's coming next.
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