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Location: Mississsippi | I have had my horse with a referred trainer since April of 2015 at which time she was barely green broke at best.
It is now nicely patterned & and very pleased with that, but only been taken away to be exhibition less then 12 places and a few barn to be ridden at. It was entered in the BFA Juvenile. This was not 100% my idea, as I was told in September that my horse was running 1 second off winning times locally and could definitely be "In the Hunt" by then for the 2D there. It wasn't pretty. We then texted and was brought up 4 times that the best solution would be that the horse just need to be hauled more. Since then has only been taken to be entered 2 times.
The problem is that my horse is still performing like it did back in September. The horse has been vetted, coyro 3 times, x rayed, injected & now herbed (1,500.00+).
Now for the real problem....
I have not been involved as much as I should have AND I will take blame for that. BUT... I have always prepaid the training bill IN ADVANCE
AND THE TRAINER STILL HOLDS THE HORSE'S PAPERS.
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Location: Florida.. | why does trainer have the papers?
and if horse is legally yours and you owe nothing then trainer is making promises to you and dragging things on so you continue to keep her in training and pay... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | My question is, why does the trainer have your papers? Is this horse in your name? |
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Location: Mississsippi | The Breed Registration papers have to be in presented during check in to the officials at the BFA.
I was not there to do this and typically the rider or trainer does that. It is a common practice.
I don't feel like the trainer will give me a refund (800.00 as of today).
If I tell then now that I am pulling my horse at the end of the month, it will probably will not get ridden or hauled any at all. |
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Location: Florida.. | Oh ok.. I didnt understand.. If you are not happy with the results and training then you just let them know and when yoru leaving and get the papers and horse... sometimes its not the trainers lack of .. but sometimes it is..
its a business deal and you just have to do what needs to be done and move on.. |
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Location: Mississsippi | I guess what I'm asking advise on is what kind of time frame do I inform the trainer and how do I say it?
I'm a very non confrontational person and thought that I was being the "best customer" by always prepaying. |
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Location: southeast Texas | IMHO , put you big girl panties on and have a talk with them.
Before hand, write down the issues you want to talk about and what order. And cross them out when you get an answer.
Sounds like y'all have a lack of clear communication.
Remember, this is your money, your horse. And how hard you work for that $$
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | if you paid for feb board and Training then give to end of month .. a trainer should continue to train.. if paid.. just let them know it isnt working out and you will be not needing the service anymore.
as above stated.. communicate.. but if horse isnt progressing then maybe its time.. or least reasons why.. but you have to be firm you cant be wishywashy.. for whatever reasons.. its not a big deal.. just talk and let them know or clear up the matter..dont let a trainer survive on your $$$$ unless work and progress is shown... I wont say its the trainer for it may be horse issue but for whatever reason.. your not happy so just say so and move on..
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Location: Texas | If you've already paid February, tell trainer about the 20th of the month that you'll be taking your horse home and to please have his papers in hand for you at that time.
You don't have to explain anything more than that. If trainer asks why, just say you're ready to have your horse home. Simple as that. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If I were you I would tell the trainer that your ready for your horse to come home and you will start hauling, tell him/her that you will be picking up in x amount of time and have the papers ready for you to pick up along with your horse. Easy pleasey I hope  |
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Location: Mississsippi | How rude or inappropriate would it be to just cut the bleeding & ask for a refund?
I could have someone pick her up tomorrow.
I was so upset when I got my January Bill and found out that she had only been entered 1 time!
I know they have horses entered in 2 futurities this month & will not be around much.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Wynn - 2016-02-06 1:28 PM
How rude or inappropriate would it be to just cut the bleeding & ask for a refund? I could have someone pick her up tomorrow.
I know they have horses entered in 2 futurities this month & will not be around much.
I would not worry about a refund at this point, I would call and let them know that your ready for the horse to come home and you are are coming to pick it up. |
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Location: Mississsippi | That is $800.00+!
It's hard to let that go.... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Wynn - 2016-02-06 1:42 PM That is $800.00+! It's hard to let that go....
Yept that is quite a bit to just let go, if you feel like that they wont be doing much more with your horse and he will be just sitting there then I would ask for a refund and see how they react to you asking, but I would just go ahead and pick up my horse. |
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Location: Mississsippi | Thank you for your answer. I just don't want to do anything rash or that I will regret and be labeled as a B***H.
You know that everyone knows someone that someone that knows you. |
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Location: Florida.. | it wont hurt to ask.... least the training fee.. |
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | Have you brought up the concerns to the trainer? Maybe they don't realize your expectations on the amount of hauling you want done? If they do and you have...then yea I'd pick up my horse ..as far as a refund I think the portion that goes to the feed n board should be returned but the portion that goes to holding your spot there idk...but i fthey have someone to fill your spot right away then yea they should refund that too. |
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Location: Mississsippi | Yes, 2 days after the BFA, we discussed how "Green" she was and that she just needed hauling. This was brought up 3 more times in 3 different texts since.
I spoke with her personally 2 days ago and could only commit to hauling her 4-6 places this month, due to her being gone to 2 futurities.
I know that after so long, (10 months with her) you can only do so much at the house and they need to go down the road or send them home.
I don't have a problem only getting feed & board back, that's about 360.00
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Location: Florida.. | Hauling 4 -6 differant places this month seems like enough in my opinion.. but if its not what you want then just tell her you will be moving her.. |
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| I have had a few bad trainer issues over the years. My first one was long ago when I had a colt in with a cutting trainer. He had the horse for 14 months. I told the trainer that he needed to be hauled or sent home. He said he would haul the horse. One time the trainer was supposed to have hauled my horse I visited, with trailer, while he was gone. Horse was in his stall. Horse got loaded onto trailer and brought home. Trainer owed me for another month and I never saw dollar one back.
Second bad time was with a barrel trainer. I sent multiple horses over many years. Two were well trained and cared for. The rest were not well trained. I tried many times to explain that I didn't expect 1D from all the horses, but that if I wanted to pay for their training and make solid 3Ders that that was my choice. The trainer obviously disagreed. The last one he had was a Bully son. He spent 9 months with the trainer and still couldn't trot a line to the 1st barrel. I brought the colt home and then had a very long conversation firing the trainer. IMO he owed me for all the untrained horses.
Three years after the Bully colt, that the same trainer promised to make it all up to me training my DFP colt. He swore, promised and pretty much begged for the chance. Two months into training I visited. The horse was in neglected condition. I had handed cash to the trainer for his feet and they'd never been done and were dangerously long. If his fronts looked like his rears it probably would have ended any performance career. And the horse had dropped close to 200 pounds. Needless to say the horse came home that day. The fallout from that experience is extreme. I have considered wrapping up my barrel racing and breeding program and going on and finding something that I can enjoy spending my money on. I don't get how 'trainers' can do this kind of thing over and over again and the person who stands up and lets the world know that it has happened is the 'bad person.' But that's how it is.
Your good choices are:
Write off the $$'s and just go get your horse, or
Have a very serious talk with the trainer.
You could always do #2 first and then follow through with #1 if you don't get a response that makes you feel something will really change. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Wynn - 2016-02-06 1:30 PM I guess what I'm asking advise on is what kind of time frame do I inform the trainer and how do I say it? I'm a very non confrontational person and thought that I was being the "best customer" by always prepaying.
"hey ms. trainer lady, I've decided to go a different route, bet here friday to pick up the horse".
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| last two horses i sent out i was screwed. sent a horse off to be sold. i am pretty sure he gave lessons as her was a 12year old well broke horse, fancy broke and atheltic. came back 300 lbs underweight feet 6 inches long same shoes as i sent him in/a three year old trail broke, sent her off 30 days, every time i wanted to pick her up he carried her somewhere happenend 3 or 4 times. i had some health issues turn that mare out for the winter. when the weather bro9ke got on her,she could not been rode more than 2 weeks out of 90 days. no steer, would not move off your leg, would not back. i put 90 days on her the first 60 i thought was a lost cause, but brother when she got it she got it. nice mare real atheletic. i have one now took a pic of her last week, fancy looker, i need to sen her to some one decent, have a number will call tomorrow. ther are people up here who have sent there off to him. |
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| I guess I better thank my trainer for being honest. I have sent five horses to her at different times. Several years ago she called me and told me that the horse she had over there was not going to make a barrel horse and she said get rid of her. She had her about a month. She has been very successful with the others. She takes exquisite care of them. She knows if there is any problem with them at all and addresses the issue immediately. She had the paint in my avatar and when she ran him in his third barrel race, he ran in the 2D. One thing that I looked at when picking a trainer was how other peoples' horses were placing when she rode them and how often she hauled them.
I have friends that had a horse at a cutting trainer. About 2 months before the NCHA futurity, he hauled a bunch of horses to a show in TN, we are in TX, he did not take their horse. They picked their horse up the day the guy returned. The horse immediately was sent to another trainer.
Go get your horse. I don't think they will risk running you down so they don't hurt their reputation. If they do, don't worry about it. |
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Location: Mississsippi | I can't complain on what was done with her at their place. Well patterned & looks great physically. But you can only do so much at the house on one.
From her videos her problem is that she won't run when taken off (which was only 12+ times in 10 months). I feel like I wasted 5 months training fees and was just there to pay their feed bill.
How can she learn to run if she is not taken somewhere?
Update. My horse was taken last night to Barrel Race. BUT today, my horse was not in the trailer again.
Calling tomorrow to try to settle up & set a date to pick up my horse.
If I get some of my prepay back, I will recommen them to start one.... They must not have the time to haul another horse. That's the only reason I can think of.
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Location: Mississsippi | Well.... Back in the day.... I had Ed Wright ride one for me and after 30 days he called & said "send him to the Cattle Auction". I did that week & never looked back.
He has since rode several of mine & was very happy.
So I know all are not going to be a world beater, but they have to get a fair chance. |
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| It is nice to have an honest AND talented trainer. I had my colt in for a 30 day tune up. After a little over 2 weeks, he called and said 'Come get him, I can't even make him make a mistake'.
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Location: Arkansas | chicks2 - 2016-02-07 10:29 AM
It is nice to have an honest AND talented trainer. I had my colt in for a 30 day tune up. After a little over 2 weeks, he called and said 'Come get him, I can't even make him make a mistake'.
Now, I of course can help him make mistakes....HA!
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| It sounds like you and the trainer have different definitions of hauling one. I think that it sounds like the horse is getting hauled a sufficient amount, (My barrel horse would hardly get hauled to 6 places a month!). But if you aren't happy, then tell the trainer you have decided to go another route. Its almost the middle of the month though, so they probably won't give you a refund, and personally, I wouldn't blame them. |
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Location: Texas | As a trainer I have a different point of view. What it comes down to is do you trust this person anymore? When you are dealing with babies sometimes it's good then bad then great. Bits a process. When we say haul we mean every other week. These babies can't be ran every weekend and hold together. If you no longer trust the trainers opinion or plan at the end of the month when you next bill is due go pick the horse up and say you just feel as though it's time for a change. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | mollibtexan - 2016-02-07 3:44 PM As a trainer I have a different point of view. What it comes down to is do you trust this person anymore? When you are dealing with babies sometimes it's good then bad then great. Bits a process. When we say haul we mean every other week. These babies can't be ran every weekend and hold together. If you no longer trust the trainers opinion or plan at the end of the month when you next bill is due go pick the horse up and say you just feel as though it's time for a change.
There is a lot to this opinion. Even a very mature juvenile horse could be easily pushed too hard at this stage of the game. Not like the BFA is next month. There is a decent amount of time to bring the horse to peak before then without pushing so hard that they fall apart mentally and physically. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The longer you wait and if your horse is still there, I have been thinking about this I would just eat what you have left in training and boarding fees and just go get my horse..Since you are not happy wtih this trainer.
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| lonely va barrelxr - 2016-02-06 3:26 PM
I have had a few bad trainer issues over the years. My first one was long ago when I had a colt in with a cutting trainer. He had the horse for 14 months. I told the trainer that he needed to be hauled or sent home. He said he would haul the horse. One time the trainer was supposed to have hauled my horse I visited, with trailer, while he was gone. Horse was in his stall. Horse got loaded onto trailer and brought home. Trainer owed me for another month and I never saw dollar one back.
Second bad time was with a barrel trainer. I sent multiple horses over many years. Two were well trained and cared for. The rest were not well trained. I tried many times to explain that I didn't expect 1D from all the horses, but that if I wanted to pay for their training and make solid 3Ders that that was my choice. The trainer obviously disagreed. The last one he had was a Bully son. He spent 9 months with the trainer and still couldn't trot a line to the 1st barrel. I brought the colt home and then had a very long conversation firing the trainer. IMO he owed me for all the untrained horses.
Three years after the Bully colt, that the same trainer promised to make it all up to me training my DFP colt. He swore, promised and pretty much begged for the chance. Two months into training I visited. The horse was in neglected condition. I had handed cash to the trainer for his feet and they'd never been done and were dangerously long. If his fronts looked like his rears it probably would have ended any performance career. And the horse had dropped close to 200 pounds. Needless to say the horse came home that day. The fallout from that experience is extreme. I have considered wrapping up my barrel racing and breeding program and going on and finding something that I can enjoy spending my money on. I don't get how 'trainers' can do this kind of thing over and over again and the person who stands up and lets the world know that it has happened is the 'bad person.' But that's how it is.
Your good choices are:
Write off the $$'s and just go get your horse, or
Have a very serious talk with the trainer.
You could always do #2 first and then follow through with #1 if you don't get a response that makes you feel something will really change.
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Location: Texas | SC Wrangler - 2016-02-07 4:56 PM
mollibtexan - 2016-02-07 3:44 PM As a trainer I have a different point of view. What it comes down to is do you trust this person anymore? When you are dealing with babies sometimes it's good then bad then great. Bits a process. When we say haul we mean every other week. These babies can't be ran every weekend and hold together. If you no longer trust the trainers opinion or plan at the end of the month when you next bill is due go pick the horse up and say you just feel as though it's time for a change.
There is a lot to this opinion. Even a very mature juvenile horse could be easily pushed too hard at this stage of the game. Not like the BFA is next month. There is a decent amount of time to bring the horse to peak before then without pushing so hard that they fall apart mentally and physically.
Thank you I try very hard to return a better solid horse than was brought to my barn. I take extreme caution in what's best for the horse. I refuse to "blow" one up. I'm not saying I haven't made mistakes bc I have but I learned and grew. I try to make the best horse I can for the future of our sport and not to just win that day. |
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| for what ever reason that guy is not riding your horse and hauling. some trainers are just funny maybe your horse isnot the most current bloodlines, or doesnot travel the way the guy likes, the trainer likes your money more than the horse. go get him. i sent one to ride for a week and to determine if liked him good enough to sell him. horse was a barrel horse i had some health problems and he is a push style i like free runner. he said he had tons after ten days, told me he was dong great no problem gertting xx amount 3 months later had freinds call me told me horse had dropped like 300 lb, this horse was 16.1 and 1300lb, he was supposed to talking to customers, well had a crazy lady called asked a lot of questions. went got the horse not only thin, he had same shoeson that he had went i carried him, also had a saddle mark and spur marks. also someone rode him in a saddle that did not fit he had white marks on his withers. go get your horse it is very much your right it doesnot have to be anything wrong. no more will get done if you leave him but board. |
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| And the rest of the story...... horse was picked up.. Looked like crap (not skinny, but sure didn't look good) has bites, scratches hair missing on her body.. Looks like she had been turned out with some ill horses... Came to my house (long time friend of the owner) I saddled her up.. lunged her first not knowing her.. piddled around some and went to the barrel pattern... Had someone video it to send to owner.. after 11 months, entered and ran in the juvenile.. Owner was expecting the mare to work the pattern.. I loped to the first and the mare made zero attempt to turn it. Had zero brakes, not much of a handle... Owner (wynn) has been very ill after back surgery so unable to check on her horse this last year. Owner is just sick over wasting all that money. I do not claim to be anyone of importance but sure enough know what a barrel horse should do.. this mare was just drug around a barrel.. I told owner not to worry.. at least she's not blown up!! Just thankful I've got time and room to play with her.. If Wynn had left her there longer and got well and able to ride I'm sure (as is she) that she could have gotten hurt.
Another story... a friend of mine was gifted a horse from her mothers old bloodlines.. gelding was sent off last summer for 4 months of "training" my friend had a heck of a time saddling this colt.. and then went put in the round pen to lunge he BUCKED harder than I've seen saddle broncs at the NFR!! I told her she had no business riding him alone at the barn.. had no stop what so ever.. no neck rein (even slowly) If he had bolted or spooked I don't think there would have been any way to not get hurt on him.... so back in Oct he went back to her mother and then to another trainer.. last night as we talked the light bulb came on!! This colt went to the same "trainer" as the barrel horse I picked up! the "new" trainer said the colt didn't ride like he had more than a couple of weeks.. at best. Im not bad mouthing... just stating the facts! I sure wouldn't recommend her! |
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Location: sunny california | pet dakitty - 2016-02-14 5:32 PM And the rest of the story...... horse was picked up.. Looked like crap (not skinny, but sure didn't look good) has bites, scratches hair missing on her body.. Looks like she had been turned out with some ill horses... Came to my house (long time friend of the owner) I saddled her up.. lunged her first not knowing her.. piddled around some and went to the barrel pattern... Had someone video it to send to owner.. after 11 months, entered and ran in the juvenile.. Owner was expecting the mare to work the pattern.. I loped to the first and the mare made zero attempt to turn it. Had zero brakes, not much of a handle... Owner (wynn) has been very ill after back surgery so unable to check on her horse this last year. Owner is just sick over wasting all that money. I do not claim to be anyone of importance but sure enough know what a barrel horse should do.. this mare was just drug around a barrel.. I told owner not to worry.. at least she's not blown up!! Just thankful I've got time and room to play with her.. If Wynn had left her there longer and got well and able to ride I'm sure (as is she) that she could have gotten hurt. Another story... a friend of mine was gifted a horse from her mothers old bloodlines.. gelding was sent off last summer for 4 months of "training" my friend had a heck of a time saddling this colt.. and then went put in the round pen to lunge he BUCKED harder than I've seen saddle broncs at the NFR!! I told her she had no business riding him alone at the barn.. had no stop what so ever.. no neck rein (even slowly) If he had bolted or spooked I don't think there would have been any way to not get hurt on him.... so back in Oct he went back to her mother and then to another trainer.. last night as we talked the light bulb came on!! This colt went to the same "trainer" as the barrel horse I picked up! the "new" trainer said the colt didn't ride like he had more than a couple of weeks.. at best. Im not bad mouthing... just stating the facts! I sure wouldn't recommend her!
sometimes it really is a blessing that they just take the money and not ride your horse. The damage that could have been done would have been very costly... |
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| I like Fun2Runs answer. If you are paid up through the end of the month, I would leave it there and call them a couple days before the first and let them know you will be picking up your horse and papers. If you tell them more in advance the horse is coming home, you can bet it will not get rode another day.
Sadly there are too many "trainers" that are billing people to death for a lot of services that are not really performed. Shoes, dental work, etc..... More cash in their pocket. In essence they are stealing from you. I suggest anyone with a horse at a trainer, go see it as often as possible with your own eyes and see them ride it to observe the progress or lack of. It's your horse and your money. |
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Location: Mississsippi | My friend arrived 30 minutes early to pick up my horse & trainer was getting in thier truck to leave. When ask to ride my horse to take a video for me & look see for my friend..... Hubby said they did not have the time.
Also another correction on my part. When figuring up my bill, one statement was lost. Due their billing software, it never showed the correct balance. My mistake & I will own it. |
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Location: Bastrop, TX | DUHHHHH......I SHOULD HAVE READ THE OTHER POSTS BEFORE I RATTLED ON......
I haven't read all of the comments but I will give you my scenario. Feb 2015 I sent my colt to a trainer, unbroken, never been away from home. Fast forward, Entered in BFA 2015 and he ran 1 second off the fastest time of the entire event (but too fast for 2-D in the Juvenile). After BFA left him with her to rest for 3 weeks then entered him in a BIG barrel race in San Antonio and he ran 1 1/2 sec off and won the 4D. Then I brought him home and I'm learning to ride him. LOL My point is, not all horses are the same, but I'm not sure why your horse hasn't been hauled more, done more etc. It does sometimes feel like the trainer is dragging things out, I was not there but I did get videos every time she hauled him to exhibitions. Since not all learn and progress the same, yours may just be a late bloomer but If I were you I would go talk to her. If you intend on running this horse yourself, go now and spend some time and then bring your horse home, ask for your papers. I personally would not ask for a refund, leave the horse and use this last month to learn what your horses weaknesses and strong points are and then tell her you want to bring home to start riding at the end of the month. You do not need to be a butt about it all if your unhappy, just keep your cool, let them finish the month so you can get your moneys worth. If you go off on her, you better have your trailer with you and load up your horse, not saying your trainer would do something stupid like neglect your horse or worse, I'm just saying it could happen. The biggest issue I had while my horse was in training was ME. Comparing my horse to others and you cannot do that. Also when I sent my colt we had ZERO intentions of doing futurities much less the BFA. Then he all of a sudden started clocking (after race Exhibitions with barrels still set as were in the race). We joked about it. I entered him Sept. 1st. So from Feb to Sept we KNEW he could do good.
Edited to add: I just want to add too that my horse was Never pushed, hauled at least once a week twice some weeks but always given a couple of days off in a 7 day period.
Once thing I see is NOT enough involvement with the trainer. I bet a week didn't go by that either she text me or I checked on him. I also paid up front. Anything he needed she had, probably things I thought he needed that she didn't. LOL Point is you have to develop a relationship and if you and your trainer are never on the same page, you need to move on until you find the right one. This was not the first time of sending one of my horses out, first time was a disaster. Not going there. Took me a long time to trust and if my Vet had not of recommended my current trainer, I'd still be looking for someone.
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Location: North Dakota | You can kiss your money goodbye for sure! Let them know you will come get the horse so you can start entering it! Be calm, cool, and nice about it and go pick the horse up! Could be the horse or it could be they were not riding the horse, you have no way of knowing! Ride your horse yourself for a month and see if you can make any progress! Its a business to them so as long as they have your horse there they are getting a paycheck!! They may be honorable enough to say since you were not there the entire time they will refund part of the fees but definately not likely in the horse industry!!!! |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | Go get your horse and papers.. it's that easy...
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Location: Central Texas | Fun2Run - 2016-02-06 12:44 PM
If you've already paid February, tell trainer about the 20th of the month that you'll be taking your horse home and to please have his papers in hand for you at that time.
You don't have to explain anything more than that. If trainer asks why, just say you're ready to have your horse home. Simple as that.
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Location: South Central Florida | mollibtexan - 2016-02-07 4:44 PM As a trainer I have a different point of view. What it comes down to is do you trust this person anymore? When you are dealing with babies sometimes it's good then bad then great. Bits a process. When we say haul we mean every other week. These babies can't be ran every weekend and hold together. If you no longer trust the trainers opinion or plan at the end of the month when you next bill is due go pick the horse up and say you just feel as though it's time for a change.
I agree a lot with this. I think a lot of problems between trainers and horse owners are differing expectations and communication.
I would not want to haul a baby or a finished horse more than 3 or 4 times in a month. To me a lot of young horses are blown up not by bad riding or training, but just pressure. I have one that is amazing, but I think was pressured too much too early and never recovered. However, that is an individual issue and I have no idea what the big dogs do with horses that are competing at the top of the futurities.
I do expect a horse to lose weight at a trainers. Being ridden and worked regularly will cause that, and it's not always a bad thing. I also had a friend with feet issues with her trainer. The horse was not shod and she paid for feet about every 8 weeks. My horses could never go 8 weeks. I'm not sure if it's where I live or what I feed or even if it's area specific, but at 5 weeks I'm worried. We do 4 weeks and 5 at the most depending on weather and available days. That's trims and shoes. I think the trainer in this case was thinking she only wanted them done every 8 weeks, she was thinking he was the one that only wanted 8 weeks. . . again it was a miss communication.
Another thing people do is bring them home and not ride them for weeks or months. There are a lot of reasons that can happen, but you can not blame a trainer for those issues. If you get on a horse 3 months later, one horse might remember everything, another might have to be started over.
I would kindly and politely tell them you want the horse competed on more, make arrangements to get the horse and forget the money if they say no. Eight to ten months of training, and sounds like good training, the balance does not seem like much but that's me.
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Location: California | If she won't give you your horses paper back, don't worry, you can call AQHA and tell them the papers were either lost or stolen and will get new papers. Sorry. |
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