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| My gelding can be agressive towards other horses in the pasture. I was unaware of this when I bought him, although makes sense why he had his own lot. He's fine tied to a trailer next to another horse, I can pony off him. He's just mean if another horse is in the pasture with him. He runs the other horse, chases it forever. Sometimes he will be perfectly fine for hours then start chasing. Like with a mare I had. I sold my last other horse 3 years ago. He's around my parents horses, but nobody wants to turn their horse out with him of course. I would like to get another horse. I'm wondering if I will have to spilt the pasture in order to do this. Anyone have any luck with a similar situation? These were horses he was stalled next to as well not new horses he was put with. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I have one gelding that was cut late and he's not proud cut but he is extremely aggressive. I was finally able to put him in with the mares but it wasn't without some pretty bad battle scars at first - mainly because they didn't have a big area. Over the years, he's gotten a lot better.
This past summer I kept him with 3 geldings and they did great and he became best buds with one of them. Then I added a new horse and he was too protective & aggressive so I had to throw him back with the mares.
I think the key is making sure they're in a huge pasture where the other horses can get away and have plenty of space. Also even numbers so they can pair off. If you feed hay, spread it at least 15-20 feet or more apart so they don't fight.
Too, horses are just going to have to fight it out initially and develop pecking order. They're social animals and they're meant to be with other horses and they just have to work it out. My herd comes in with big bite marks (with blood a lot of times) every day practically so I don't fret about that.They're big and they play rough -- my donkey plays just as rough with them. But if they're in danger of getting some major stiches or run through a fence, then I'll pull them out. |
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Location: Florida.. | I think if its been going on and the pecking order hasnt been established then yes Id divide pasture up.. I agree with there will be arguments.. but when another horse was cut late or not developing social skills and chasing the other ones to a point where the others are stressed out Id pull him.I dont agree with letting them constantly chase and fight with battle scars.. if area is small its wrong.. to not be able to relax and graze and not worry about the bully beating you up or chasing you is nuts.. if its just chasing alil and kicking and playing its diffierant but My cut late gelding would literally run them until they were exhausted then try to attack them.. so it depends on the way he is.... |
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| The last colt I had was to fast for him to catch so he left him alone after not being able to catch him. He's 9 now, and I know he was cut before he was 2. I don't know if he's just being a bully, he picks at other horses when next to them. I've wondered though if he has some higher testosterone, or something got left behind. |
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Location: SW North Dakota | If I have a horse that will run another for more than 200 feet, then try to kick their a$$es, I don't put them out with others. Our horse pasture is 640 acres and there are 13 horses out there with a perfect pecking order. I have 2 that I do not turn out with the others because they are agressive in the pasture. They are drylotted separately or turned out with cows (not with each other). It's hard enough to keep them sound without that crap going on. One of them is my son's calf horse- he is worth the trouble, as he's irreplacable. The other is my father-in-law's gelding; he could take a long walk off a short bridge and my feelings wouldn't be hurt. haha.
But my opinion on your original question- YES, I would divide your pasture if you get another horse. |
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Location: CTX | One of my mares has a huge bubble.... She doesn't tolerate horses in it. Before I bought her she was tied to the trailer with another horse and she kicked him in such a manner that the horse had to be put down. (I didn't hear this till after I had her for a couple of weeks.)
She was in with my old mare at the time, and she kicked her in the stifle. Also, she kicked me in the thigh (was meant for my old mare, but she stepped out of the way, and I was behind her.... not her fault, I should have been paying attention) and I ended up with my entire upper leg black. I was very lucky she didn't break it.
At that point I decided to give her her own pasture. We only have 5 acres, and 4 are divided up in pastures. So no way to get away from her. She now lives "alone". Our neighbors have 2 horses in the pasture next to her, and most of the time she can see the rest of ours in the other pasture.
Later I got told that she was in a pasture with a gelding at the former owners place, and the gelding ran her through the fence a couple of times. Not sure if that's where the problem started, but she just doesn't like other horses close.
Some horses just need to have their space.... Do I like it? No, I prefer to have them as a heard, but it is not worth it to have any of them hurt....
And yes, to answer your question, I would divide the pasture if you have the room, as that's what we did. Always better than a big vet bill.
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Location: North Dakota | Two words-Shock Collar.
Kickers and a$$hats do not last long with that attitude at my place. |
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Location: Central Texas | My guy is like that and he can do some damage if he wants. He gets and stays in his own place. I will not take the chance of one gettiing seriously hurt. He is what he is and this is his only issue. He can do fine but then he can have a moment where he will flat out try and kill another horse. Not fair to the other horses who can behave socially. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | LMS - 2016-02-10 5:35 AM Two words-Shock Collar.
Kickers and a$$hats do not last long with that attitude at my place.
Yes! This is when we need to step-up and teach the horse respect. Along the line that horse hasn't learned respect for others like a bully. |
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| I figure I will just have to divide although he respects electric. **** horse if he wasn't such a good performance horse his quirks wouldn't really be worth it. |
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| skye - 2016-02-09 9:51 AM
LMS - 2016-02-10 5:35 AM Two words-Shock Collar.
Kickers and a$$hats do not last long with that attitude at my place.
Yes! This is when we need to step-up and teach the horse respect. Along the line that horse hasn't learned respect for others like a bully.
Shock collars on a horse? I have never heard of this, but it sounds like a great idea for a bully. Gets their attention, but is way better than them out there hurting everyone. I'm going to have to use this.  |
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Location: Central Texas | babbsywabbsy - 2016-02-09 12:14 PM
skye - 2016-02-09 9:51 AM
LMS - 2016-02-10 5:35 AM Two words-Shock Collar.
Kickers and a$$hats do not last long with that attitude at my place.
Yes! This is when we need to step-up and teach the horse respect. Along the line that horse hasn't learned respect for others like a bully.
Shock collars on a horse? I have never heard of this, but it sounds like a great idea for a bully. Gets their attention, but is way better than them out there hurting everyone. I'm going to have to use this.
Does someone stand out there 24/7 and shock them to teach them respect? |
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Location: North Dakota | ampratt - 2016-02-09 12:19 PM babbsywabbsy - 2016-02-09 12:14 PM skye - 2016-02-09 9:51 AM LMS - 2016-02-10 5:35 AM Two words-Shock Collar.
Kickers and a$$hats do not last long with that attitude at my place. Yes! This is when we need to step-up and teach the horse respect. Along the line that horse hasn't learned respect for others like a bully. Shock collars on a horse? I have never heard of this, but it sounds like a great idea for a bully. Gets their attention, but is way better than them out there hurting everyone. I'm going to have to use this. Does someone stand out there 24/7 and shock them to teach them respect?
Please us them with care and with a pretty good sense about what you're doing!
No, if the horse is smart-which most bully's are.....once, maybe twice in a herd situation is usually all they need. That bully will make at least a 20 foot space between themselves and the one they don't think they should like. Timing is pretty important. The moment when the bully runs up on the newby is the precise time to shock the bully. That way the bully thinks the newby is the one that connected.
The horse we have that likes to run others through the fence is also a trailer pacer if tied alone. (which is dangerous with kids around)
Just putting the shock collar on him and he stands like a statue.
Electric shock on a horse is VERY impressionable so if it takes more than once or twice you're not doing it right.
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Location: Florida.. | might make the horse run thru a fence Id not recommend it imho |
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| I have a gelding who was a breeding stallion for 10 years and was always left in a herd of mares. When he was gelded and sold, he was kept isolated. So when I got him, I boarded him in a pasture with other horses.... This is when we learned that he was not a friendly horse. haha I think somewhere between the two geldings throat biting and falling through the fence in a tangled, squealing pile that we realized that it was not going to work out with the two geldings and the one mare.
So we had an EPM gelding at the same place who was pretty much a push over. Even our most orney horses seemed to do fine with him, so we decided, why not? We put them out together, and they only snorted and kicked a few times before they figured it out and actually lived together for two years after that. So I think it's more of finding the right personality of horse to pair him with. He was also fine with mares, but you can't put both mares and geldings, or it would not be pretty.
ETA: He now lives alone again, out in the 4acre pasture with a barn all to himself at my house, but with two neighbor mares across the fence row that he seems pretty content with. I would like to see someone try to break this gelding of any of his quirks, lol. He'd probably near kill you trying. Which is why he's out in my back pasture and not for sale, because he's a god **** PSYCHOPATH, and I will not let anyone get hurt over it, because I have tried and failed many times over the years (I believe this is 8 years I've owned his little brat). He is an easy keeper, doesn't get grain, maybe a little hay in bad winters, but otherwise pretty much sticks to himself (I probably couldn't even catch the little thing now it's been so long since he's been handled lol).
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Location: North Dakota | Bibliafarm - 2016-02-09 3:14 PM might make the horse run thru a fence Id not recommend it imho
This horse would make another one run through a fence......the reason I said to use it with caution is exactly the reason you state. After using the collar one time I realized that our guy gets SO intense on the one he wants to hurt that they generally only back away and settle down-they are definitely not like dogs that tend to run off if the shock is too heavy. Believe me there are risks and I was sick of having horses pushed through the fence and fixing fence and cut up horses. Hence the reason I said to use with caution.... you may end up causing another issue. |
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Location: North Dakota | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-02-09 3:25 PM I have a gelding who was a breeding stallion for 10 years and was always left in a herd of mares. When he was gelded and sold, he was kept isolated. So when I got him, I boarded him in a pasture with other horses.... This is when we learned that he was not a friendly horse. haha I think somewhere between the two geldings throat biting and falling through the fence in a tangled, squealing pile that we realized that it was not going to work out with the two geldings and the one mare. So we had an EPM gelding at the same place who was pretty much a push over. Even our most orney horses seemed to do fine with him, so we decided, why not? We put them out together, and they only snorted and kicked a few times before they figured it out and actually lived together for two years after that. So I think it's more of finding the right personality of horse to pair him with. He was also fine with mares, but you can't put both mares and geldings, or it would not be pretty. ETA: He now lives alone again, out in the 4acre pasture with a barn all to himself at my house, but with two neighbor mares across the fence row that he seems pretty content with. I would like to see someone try to break this gelding of any of his quirks, lol. He'd probably near kill you trying. Which is why he's out in my back pasture and not for sale, because he's a god **** PSYCHOPATH, and I will not let anyone get hurt over it, because I have tried and failed many times over the years (I believe this is 8 years I've owned his little brat). He is an easy keeper, doesn't get grain, maybe a little hay in bad winters, but otherwise pretty much sticks to himself (I probably couldn't even catch the little thing now it's been so long since he's been handled lol).
 I'll take your challenge! I usually sit in my bedroom window with shock collar in hand-he wouldn't know what hit him!
I'm only joking-some horses are just BAD and probably unfixable, but have better owners than me that deal with them-I want peace and harmony on MY terms and I'm willing to take a risk and fix the problem. I know many people that just won't do what I do and that's ok. |
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Location: Florida.. | LMS - 2016-02-09 5:35 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-02-09 3:14 PM might make the horse run thru a fence Id not recommend it imho This horse would make another one run through a fence......the reason I said to use it with caution is exactly the reason you state. After using the collar one time I realized that our guy gets SO intense on the one he wants to hurt that they generally only back away and settle down-they are definitely not like dogs that tend to run off if the shock is too heavy. Believe me there are risks and I was sick of having horses pushed through the fence and fixing fence and cut up horses. Hence the reason I said to use with caution.... you may end up causing another issue.
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| LMS - 2016-02-09 5:40 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-02-09 3:25 PM I have a gelding who was a breeding stallion for 10 years and was always left in a herd of mares. When he was gelded and sold, he was kept isolated. So when I got him, I boarded him in a pasture with other horses.... This is when we learned that he was not a friendly horse. haha I think somewhere between the two geldings throat biting and falling through the fence in a tangled, squealing pile that we realized that it was not going to work out with the two geldings and the one mare. So we had an EPM gelding at the same place who was pretty much a push over. Even our most orney horses seemed to do fine with him, so we decided, why not? We put them out together, and they only snorted and kicked a few times before they figured it out and actually lived together for two years after that. So I think it's more of finding the right personality of horse to pair him with. He was also fine with mares, but you can't put both mares and geldings, or it would not be pretty. ETA: He now lives alone again, out in the 4acre pasture with a barn all to himself at my house, but with two neighbor mares across the fence row that he seems pretty content with. I would like to see someone try to break this gelding of any of his quirks, lol. He'd probably near kill you trying. Which is why he's out in my back pasture and not for sale, because he's a god **** PSYCHOPATH, and I will not let anyone get hurt over it, because I have tried and failed many times over the years (I believe this is 8 years I've owned his little brat). He is an easy keeper, doesn't get grain, maybe a little hay in bad winters, but otherwise pretty much sticks to himself (I probably couldn't even catch the little thing now it's been so long since he's been handled lol).
I'll take your challenge! I usually sit in my bedroom window with shock collar in hand-he wouldn't know what hit him! I'm only joking-some horses are just BAD and probably unfixable, but have better owners than me that deal with them-I want peace and harmony on MY terms and I'm willing to take a risk and fix the problem. I know many people that just won't do what I do and that's ok.
I've bent backwards to try and fix that horse and his trailer load of quirks (he was abused, so I can pass some of it off on bad ownership, but I pass a lot of it off on bad breeding. It's the appaloosa in him, I swear it). Last guy that said, "Oh, I can fix that horse" was in the hospital with a broken back twenty minutes later. This is the same horse that took 6 hours to put two shoes on one time because he knew the shoer from his old owner, and that was a fun time. not. |
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Location: Arkansas | We have a 9 year old gelding that would run Dan (37) nearly to exhaustion. When I found out about it (Chandler saw it happening one day) Lynn's butt got stuck in his own little 3 acre lot. The electric fence is shared between him and the other four, so he can see them most all day long. They have about 35 acres so I don't understand why he couldn't be nice! He and our big paint kinda shared "low man on the totem pole" but he just wouldn't leave Dan alone. Dan is special, so Lynn got grounded!! |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | I got one that probably needs a bullet rather than electirc as he attacks everyone and even tries to break into other pastures if someone is in heat. He will walk through an electric fence without a care in the world and ignored an electric cattle prod without even flinching. He will tear up both mares and geldings and if a mare is in heat he'll try to mount too. I think he might be proud cut or something but being a rescue with an unknown history I don't know for sure. He is bi-polar too and some days he was fine and others he'd lose it. The more horses that have come onto the property, the worse he's gotten. After he ran my main mare into the fence (the one who is just now coming back after 7 months off) I decided never again. He will stay alone, no matter how big the pasture.
Bottom line to OP, if you can at all seperate your pasture, just do that. In time you may find he can get along with a new horse but at least that gives you a safer way to start out. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-02-10 8:48 AM I got one that probably needs a bullet rather than electirc as he attacks everyone and even tries to break into other pastures if someone is in heat. He will walk through an electric fence without a care in the world and ignored an electric cattle prod without even flinching. He will tear up both mares and geldings and if a mare is in heat he'll try to mount too. I think he might be proud cut or something but being a rescue with an unknown history I don't know for sure. He is bi-polar too and some days he was fine and others he'd lose it. The more horses that have come onto the property, the worse he's gotten. After he ran my main mare into the fence (the one who is just now coming back after 7 months off) I decided never again. He will stay alone, no matter how big the pasture.
Bottom line to OP, if you can at all seperate your pasture, just do that. In time you may find he can get along with a new horse but at least that gives you a safer way to start out.
Just curious here, why do you use a electric cattle prod on a horse for?
And to answer the op on her question, I have a aggressive gelding and he has his own pasture, he ruin my barrel gelding years ago, so he has to have his own place. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-10 10:31 AM Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-02-10 8:48 AM I got one that probably needs a bullet rather than electirc as he attacks everyone and even tries to break into other pastures if someone is in heat. He will walk through an electric fence without a care in the world and ignored an electric cattle prod without even flinching. He will tear up both mares and geldings and if a mare is in heat he'll try to mount too. I think he might be proud cut or something but being a rescue with an unknown history I don't know for sure. He is bi-polar too and some days he was fine and others he'd lose it. The more horses that have come onto the property, the worse he's gotten. After he ran my main mare into the fence (the one who is just now coming back after 7 months off) I decided never again. He will stay alone, no matter how big the pasture.
Bottom line to OP, if you can at all seperate your pasture, just do that. In time you may find he can get along with a new horse but at least that gives you a safer way to start out. Just curious here, why do you use a electric cattle prod on a horse for?
And to answer the op on her question, I have a aggressive gelding and he has his own pasture, he ruin my barrel gelding years ago, so he has to have his own place.
Lol I don't use it on horses, but I was looking for anything at that moment that would help separate him from the mare he was attacking who was bleeding all over and he wouldn't let up on. Neither that or the whip or the broom I was waving about stopped him from tearing her apart. He eventually let up enough so that I was able to get inbetween them and she ran to the stalls, but that was long after she was tore up bad. Mentioned it because those suggesting a shock collar...point being that I don't think anything would stop the one I'm talking about. |
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Location: North Dakota | Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-02-10 10:44 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-10 10:31 AM Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-02-10 8:48 AM I got one that probably needs a bullet rather than electirc as he attacks everyone and even tries to break into other pastures if someone is in heat. He will walk through an electric fence without a care in the world and ignored an electric cattle prod without even flinching. He will tear up both mares and geldings and if a mare is in heat he'll try to mount too. I think he might be proud cut or something but being a rescue with an unknown history I don't know for sure. He is bi-polar too and some days he was fine and others he'd lose it. The more horses that have come onto the property, the worse he's gotten. After he ran my main mare into the fence (the one who is just now coming back after 7 months off) I decided never again. He will stay alone, no matter how big the pasture.
Bottom line to OP, if you can at all seperate your pasture, just do that. In time you may find he can get along with a new horse but at least that gives you a safer way to start out. Just curious here, why do you use a electric cattle prod on a horse for?
And to answer the op on her question, I have a aggressive gelding and he has his own pasture, he ruin my barrel gelding years ago, so he has to have his own place.
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Location: Texas | Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-02-10 8:48 AM I got one that probably needs a bullet rather than electirc as he attacks everyone and even tries to break into other pastures if someone is in heat. He will walk through an electric fence without a care in the world and ignored an electric cattle prod without even flinching. He will tear up both mares and geldings and if a mare is in heat he'll try to mount too. I think he might be proud cut or something but being a rescue with an unknown history I don't know for sure. He is bi-polar too and some days he was fine and others he'd lose it. The more horses that have come onto the property, the worse he's gotten. After he ran my main mare into the fence (the one who is just now coming back after 7 months off) I decided never again. He will stay alone, no matter how big the pasture.
Bottom line to OP, if you can at all seperate your pasture, just do that. In time you may find he can get along with a new horse but at least that gives you a safer way to start out.
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