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My one hope is that the ground crew truly takes the time to talk to directors, contestants, and stock contractors for each event and create a ground that will allow each to work well. What they have now works for no one, but the last thing we need is one event being singled out for having ground that is beneficial to that event but doesn't work at all for another. Tons of room for improvement now though! We are going to try and go next year, great year for a first NFR trip! |
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| I have to wonder how much of this decision has to do with the ERA. After all this has needed done for years and they choose now to do it. Makes me think they are trying to make the NFR better to try and keep some of the girls from jumping ship or the ERA. None the less I am glad that they have finally came around and seen the light that the ground sucked big time. |
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| Not trying to be pessimistic, but the announcement doesn't say anything about NEW ground, just that Mr. Davis has asked the best grounds person HE knows to take a look and make recommendations........ hmmmm.
Here's the announcement:
Petition update VICTORY!
Carol Harris Smithville, TX
Feb 13, 2016 — Thank you all for your support of this petition. Our voices have been heard. Many people have been working for better ground at the NFR for years. The fan support helped in finally getting it done!
Cindy Gillespie to WPRA - Prairie Circuit 7 hrs · From WPRA President Carolyn Carolynn Vietor
The NFRC meeting in San Antonio just ended and I have great news to share with you!
Shawn Davis announced today to the NFRC board of directors that he has hired the best grounds person he knows of to take on the task of improving the ground at the NFR for 2016. They have already analyzed the ground and the water and have made their recommendations. He said "The ground at the NFR will be the best that we can make it!' We are free to announce that information.
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | J Cunningham - 2016-02-13 10:58 AM Not trying to be pessimistic, but the announcement doesn't say anything about NEW ground, just that Mr. Davis has asked the best grounds person HE knows to take a look and make recommendations........ hmmmm. Here's the announcement: Petition update VICTORY! Carol Harris Smithville, TX Feb 13, 2016 — Thank you all for your support of this petition. Our voices have been heard. Many people have been working for better ground at the NFR for years. The fan support helped in finally getting it done! Cindy Gillespie to WPRA - Prairie Circuit 7 hrs · From WPRA President Carolyn Carolynn Vietor The NFRC meeting in San Antonio just ended and I have great news to share with you! Shawn Davis announced today to the NFRC board of directors that he has hired the best grounds person he knows of to take on the task of improving the ground at the NFR for 2016. They have already analyzed the ground and the water and have made their recommendations. He said "The ground at the NFR will be the best that we can make it!' We are free to announce that information.
I caught that, too. Just the cynic in me--I'm a "believe it when I see it type"! I do hope that this does mean it WILL be better for all involved, they don't deserve any less. |
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| I agree too - I am a cynic - but I sure hope it is better than what it has been in the past. Regardless, something needs to happen to improve it - I really wish Florida would have won the bid for the NFR - I think they truly care about the grounds and the animals and would have put forth a top notch effort. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Calangelo - 2016-02-13 11:51 AM J Cunningham - 2016-02-13 10:58 AM Not trying to be pessimistic, but the announcement doesn't say anything about NEW ground, just that Mr. Davis has asked the best grounds person HE knows to take a look and make recommendations........ hmmmm. Here's the announcement: Petition update VICTORY! Carol Harris Smithville, TX Feb 13, 2016 — Thank you all for your support of this petition. Our voices have been heard. Many people have been working for better ground at the NFR for years. The fan support helped in finally getting it done! Cindy Gillespie to WPRA - Prairie Circuit 7 hrs · From WPRA President Carolyn Carolynn Vietor The NFRC meeting in San Antonio just ended and I have great news to share with you! Shawn Davis announced today to the NFRC board of directors that he has hired the best grounds person he knows of to take on the task of improving the ground at the NFR for 2016. They have already analyzed the ground and the water and have made their recommendations. He said "The ground at the NFR will be the best that we can make it!' We are free to announce that information. I caught that, too. Just the cynic in me--I'm a "believe it when I see it type"! I do hope that this does mean it WILL be better for all involved, they don't deserve any less.
I agree.....sorry to be pessimistic but he says NOTHING about "new ground".....only that it will be tested and worked....this dirt is what? 30 years old? Anybody that runs in the same arena for 30 years knows that the dirt needs to be replaced or new dirt added. I remember reading last year that, when the ground was questioned, Mr. Davis made the same claim that he had it tested and it was "fine"...... I applaud those that have worked diligently to get something done but I am not holding my breath...... |
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Location: The Great Northwest | euchee - 2016-02-14 7:12 AM I have to wonder how much of this decision has to do with the ERA. After all this has needed done for years and they choose now to do it. Makes me think they are trying to make the NFR better to try and keep some of the girls from jumping ship or the ERA. None the less I am glad that they have finally came around and seen the light that the ground sucked big time.
There was a petition that thousands signed from the Fans to Shawn Davis to improve the ground where it is safe for all that was a huge contributing factor. The ERA may of helped to push too. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | I hope the grounds committee would get it where there was a tractor rake after 5 and 10. I think that would help a lot to keep the ground consistent for all barrel racers. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | skye - 2016-02-13 8:28 PM I hope the grounds committee would get it where there was a tractor rake after 5 and 10. I think that would help a lot to keep the ground consistent for all barrel racers.
That's not going to happen.....takes too much time.....They rotate the contestants as the week goes by so they all rotate from first to run to last...... |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Nevertooold - 2016-02-14 6:10 PM They need to go back to hand raking after every run like they use to.
Hand raking just puts the ground back. It may look nice. However, it is not packed down for good footing as a tractor rack should do for the ground. |
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| J Cunningham - 2016-02-13 10:58 AM Not trying to be pessimistic, but the announcement doesn't say anything about NEW ground, just that Mr. Davis has asked the best grounds person HE knows to take a look and make recommendations........ hmmmm. Here's the announcement: Petition update VICTORY! Carol Harris Smithville, TX Feb 13, 2016 — Thank you all for your support of this petition. Our voices have been heard. Many people have been working for better ground at the NFR for years. The fan support helped in finally getting it done! Cindy Gillespie to WPRA - Prairie Circuit 7 hrs · From WPRA President Carolyn Carolynn Vietor The NFRC meeting in San Antonio just ended and I have great news to share with you! Shawn Davis announced today to the NFRC board of directors that he has hired the best grounds person he knows of to take on the task of improving the ground at the NFR for 2016. They have already analyzed the ground and the water and have made their recommendations. He said "The ground at the NFR will be the best that we can make it!' We are free to announce that information.
So anyone know who is the best grounds person Shawn Davis knows? Who is this person? Maybe he doesn't really know any good grounds person. So the same dirt, but what if the best grounds person he knows thinks like him? LOL Sounds like a nice politician answer. Doesn't mean the equipment used or person using it will be any different either. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | sodapop - 2016-02-15 6:21 AM J Cunningham - 2016-02-13 10:58 AM Not trying to be pessimistic, but the announcement doesn't say anything about NEW ground, just that Mr. Davis has asked the best grounds person HE knows to take a look and make recommendations........ hmmmm. Here's the announcement: Petition update VICTORY! Carol Harris Smithville, TX Feb 13, 2016 — Thank you all for your support of this petition. Our voices have been heard. Many people have been working for better ground at the NFR for years. The fan support helped in finally getting it done! Cindy Gillespie to WPRA - Prairie Circuit 7 hrs · From WPRA President Carolyn Carolynn Vietor The NFRC meeting in San Antonio just ended and I have great news to share with you! Shawn Davis announced today to the NFRC board of directors that he has hired the best grounds person he knows of to take on the task of improving the ground at the NFR for 2016. They have already analyzed the ground and the water and have made their recommendations. He said "The ground at the NFR will be the best that we can make it!' We are free to announce that information.
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| I know that Charmaine James, volunteered to put up $50,000 to get new dirt , this was the year that Sharon rode speed money, and we all went in with 5 gallon buckets picked up rocks out of arena during practice mornings. Girls told them about covering the entrance gate with pad and dirt, speed money hit top of his foot on bottom of panel gate bruising it so bad he had to be put down after NFR
Shawn Davis, said that girls were invited guest, and didnt really care if they came or not. So NO didnt take the money offered or change the ground, it's been the same ground since,started, it's wore out and NOTHING can fix it, must have new dirt |
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| ladyjockey - 2016-02-14 9:36 AM I know that Charmaine James, volunteered to put up $50,000 to get new dirt , this was the year that Sharon rode speed money, and we all went in with 5 gallon buckets picked up rocks out of arena during practice mornings. Girls told them about covering the entrance gate with pad and dirt, speed money hit top of his foot on bottom of panel gate bruising it so bad he had to be put down after NFR Shawn Davis, said that girls were invited guest, and didnt really care if they came or not. So NO didnt take the money offered or change the ground, it's been the same ground since,started, it's wore out and NOTHING can fix it, must have new dirt
So that makes two horses that were out of compitition that I know of, What is it going to take, Someone getting killed when they fall? Shawn sounds like an arrogant ass |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | Firewater - 2016-02-13 11:00 AM I agree too - I am a cynic - but I sure hope it is better than what it has been in the past. Regardless, something needs to happen to improve it - I really wish Florida would have won the bid for the NFR - I think they truly care about the grounds and the animals and would have put forth a top notch effort.
Even if Florida would have won it would be the same people working the ground. May be different newer dirt but Shawn would have still been in charge of it since it would have still been the NFR.... |
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| Who owns the precious NFR dirt? I read Shawn Davis owns it and is paid handsomely for its use. If that's true, how is that not a conflict of interest? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | ms cartman - 2016-02-14 1:16 PM Who owns the precious NFR dirt? I read Shawn Davis owns it and is paid handsomely for its use. If that's true, how is that not a conflict of interest?
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Carol Harris started the petition about the dirt at the NFR so I would think that everyone that cares should send Shawn Davis an e-mail telling him that we want new ground and not the BS story of fixing the old ground. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-02-15 12:37 PM Carol Harris started the petition about the dirt at the NFR so I would think that everyone that cares should send Shawn Davis an e-mail telling him that we want new ground and not the BS story of fixing the old ground.
I did start the petition and have been working with others for the change. I don't think anyone should contact Shawn Davis at this time. He made the public announcement that the ground would be analyzed for recommendations on fixing the problem. HE DID NOT SAY what the recommendations were. He very well could be planning on bringing in new dirt. LETS GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE to do what he has said he would do. It is a positive thing on his part that he has acknowledged the problem and has promised to do his best to fix it. All the negativity does not help at this point. |
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Location: relocated to Texas | euchee - 2016-02-14 9:12 AM I have to wonder how much of this decision has to do with the ERA. After all this has needed done for years and they choose now to do it. Makes me think they are trying to make the NFR better to try and keep some of the girls from jumping ship or the ERA. None the less I am glad that they have finally came around and seen the light that the ground sucked big time.
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Location: The edge of no where | Hollywood's Fan - 2016-02-14 9:35 PM Nevertooold - 2016-02-15 12:37 PM Carol Harris started the petition about the dirt at the NFR so I would think that everyone that cares should send Shawn Davis an e-mail telling him that we want new ground and not the BS story of fixing the old ground. I did start the petition and have been working with others for the change. I don't think anyone should contact Shawn Davis at this time. He made the public announcement that the ground would be analyzed for recommendations on fixing the problem. HE DID NOT SAY what the recommendations were. He very well could be planning on bringing in new dirt. LETS GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE to do what he has said he would do. It is a positive thing on his part that he has acknowledged the problem and has promised to do his best to fix it. All the negativity does not help at this point.
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| NJJ - 2016-02-13 12:55 PM Calangelo - 2016-02-13 11:51 AM J Cunningham - 2016-02-13 10:58 AM Not trying to be pessimistic, but the announcement doesn't say anything about NEW ground, just that Mr. Davis has asked the best grounds person HE knows to take a look and make recommendations........ hmmmm. Here's the announcement: Petition update VICTORY! Carol Harris Smithville, TX Feb 13, 2016 — Thank you all for your support of this petition. Our voices have been heard. Many people have been working for better ground at the NFR for years. The fan support helped in finally getting it done! Cindy Gillespie to WPRA - Prairie Circuit 7 hrs · From WPRA President Carolyn Carolynn Vietor The NFRC meeting in San Antonio just ended and I have great news to share with you! Shawn Davis announced today to the NFRC board of directors that he has hired the best grounds person he knows of to take on the task of improving the ground at the NFR for 2016. They have already analyzed the ground and the water and have made their recommendations. He said "The ground at the NFR will be the best that we can make it!' We are free to announce that information. I caught that, too. Just the cynic in me--I'm a "believe it when I see it type"! I do hope that this does mean it WILL be better for all involved, they don't deserve any less.
Do you mean come from the same place? I know they do not leave the dirt in there year round of course. Do they take it up and store it somewhere?
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | scwebster - 2016-02-15 10:25 AM NJJ - 2016-02-13 12:55 PM Calangelo - 2016-02-13 11:51 AM J Cunningham - 2016-02-13 10:58 AM Not trying to be pessimistic, but the announcement doesn't say anything about NEW ground, just that Mr. Davis has asked the best grounds person HE knows to take a look and make recommendations........ hmmmm. Here's the announcement: Petition update VICTORY! Carol Harris Smithville, TX Feb 13, 2016 — Thank you all for your support of this petition. Our voices have been heard. Many people have been working for better ground at the NFR for years. The fan support helped in finally getting it done! Cindy Gillespie to WPRA - Prairie Circuit 7 hrs · From WPRA President Carolyn Carolynn Vietor The NFRC meeting in San Antonio just ended and I have great news to share with you! Shawn Davis announced today to the NFRC board of directors that he has hired the best grounds person he knows of to take on the task of improving the ground at the NFR for 2016. They have already analyzed the ground and the water and have made their recommendations. He said "The ground at the NFR will be the best that we can make it!' We are free to announce that information. I caught that, too. Just the cynic in me--I'm a "believe it when I see it type"! I do hope that this does mean it WILL be better for all involved, they don't deserve any less.
Do you mean come from the same place? I know they do not leave the dirt in there year round of course. Do they take it up and store it somewhere?
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Hollywood's Fan - 2016-02-14 9:35 PM Nevertooold - 2016-02-15 12:37 PM Carol Harris started the petition about the dirt at the NFR so I would think that everyone that cares should send Shawn Davis an e-mail telling him that we want new ground and not the BS story of fixing the old ground. I did start the petition and have been working with others for the change. I don't think anyone should contact Shawn Davis at this time. He made the public announcement that the ground would be analyzed for recommendations on fixing the problem. HE DID NOT SAY what the recommendations were. He very well could be planning on bringing in new dirt. LETS GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE to do what he has said he would do. It is a positive thing on his part that he has acknowledged the problem and has promised to do his best to fix it. All the negativity does not help at this point.
You're probably right as it would just give him an excuse not to do nothing which unfortunately I feel will happen anyway. I'm going to step away from the whole thing as it's not my circus and not my monkeys. |
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Location: North Dakota | euchee - 2016-02-14 10:43 AM ladyjockey - 2016-02-14 9:36 AM I know that Charmaine James, volunteered to put up $50,000 to get new dirt , this was the year that Sharon rode speed money, and we all went in with 5 gallon buckets picked up rocks out of arena during practice mornings. Girls told them about covering the entrance gate with pad and dirt, speed money hit top of his foot on bottom of panel gate bruising it so bad he had to be put down after NFR Shawn Davis, said that girls were invited guest, and didnt really care if they came or not. So NO didnt take the money offered or change the ground, it's been the same ground since,started, it's wore out and NOTHING can fix it, must have new dirt So that makes two horses that were out of compitition that I know of, What is it going to take, Someone getting killed when they fall? Shawn sounds like an arrogant ass
IMO It's going to take a high dollar bull or bronc to break a leg for it to change.......mad stock contractors carry a lot bigger stick that crabbin barrel racers. If you watched the roughstock last year there was a lot of ground issues with those critters keeping their feet under them-I actually thought there were going to be some bad wrecks because of it, but until that happens, there isn't going to be a whole lot of changes. But when that does happen-they will rip it out mid show and fix it  |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | LMS - 2016-02-15 10:46 AM euchee - 2016-02-14 10:43 AM ladyjockey - 2016-02-14 9:36 AM I know that Charmaine James, volunteered to put up $50,000 to get new dirt , this was the year that Sharon rode speed money, and we all went in with 5 gallon buckets picked up rocks out of arena during practice mornings. Girls told them about covering the entrance gate with pad and dirt, speed money hit top of his foot on bottom of panel gate bruising it so bad he had to be put down after NFR Shawn Davis, said that girls were invited guest, and didnt really care if they came or not. So NO didnt take the money offered or change the ground, it's been the same ground since,started, it's wore out and NOTHING can fix it, must have new dirt So that makes two horses that were out of compitition that I know of, What is it going to take, Someone getting killed when they fall? Shawn sounds like an arrogant ass
Yup. My thoughts exactly.
Apparenlty horses that are top notch and priceless don't matter when they have to be put down....
But all He!! will break loose when a bull or other stock is hurt and has to be taken out or put down.
But I would bet money Shawn won't fix it then. He'll make a snarky comment like: If you don't like it I can find more stock elsewhere.... But once his snarky comments get around to the other stock contractors about how he truly does not care for the welfare of the animals competeing... Well....
It'll be hard to have a rodeo without stock.... Those guys will go on strike until somethings done. They won't go after him tho... They'll go after the PRCA as a whole.
His comments about barrel racers being invited guests really ticks me off..... I mean, maybe we need to sit one year out to get the point across....Kind of like: hey world, we care about our horses and don't want them hurt... At the same time that would be a lot of money to sit out on for a strike that most likely wouldn't work.... Ugh.... We can't win until that man gets off his high horse... |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | skye - 2016-02-13 8:28 PM
I hope the grounds committee would get it where there was a tractor rake after 5 and 10. I think that would help a lot to keep the ground consistent for all barrel racers.
They just need to throw in a few commercials like the TV time outs in a college and NFL football games. |
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I haven't seen those words used by the directors who have posted the news.
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Location: Kansas | Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-16 8:06 AM skye - 2016-02-13 8:28 PM I hope the grounds committee would get it where there was a tractor rake after 5 and 10. I think that would help a lot to keep the ground consistent for all barrel racers. They just need to throw in a few commercials like the TV time outs in a college and NFL football games.
I will say this - at the URA Finals here in Kansas, we tractor drag every 5 during the barrel race & after the 15th runner, and still, barrel racing is BY FAR the quickest event all night. All it requires is that the tractor man be ready, someone be at the gate to let him in, and as soon as the 5th girl crosses the time line, he is in the arena. I bet it wouldn't add 3-4 minutes to the rodeo if they did a quick drag after 5 & 10. Until you put a stopwatch to it, you have no idea how fast those drags can be done. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | rodeowithjoker - 2016-02-17 4:36 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-16 8:06 AM skye - 2016-02-13 8:28 PM I hope the grounds committee would get it where there was a tractor rake after 5 and 10. I think that would help a lot to keep the ground consistent for all barrel racers. They just need to throw in a few commercials like the TV time outs in a college and NFL football games.
I don't know what a URA is but it would add much more than a total of 3-4 minutes and when you are dealing wiht TV time, contractual time limits etc. you do not have that leeway
I seem to recall that they are contractually obligated to complete the rodeo in 2 hours or less and I would assume that is because the City of LV wants the folks who's butts are in those seats to be back in the casino's spending money.
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Location: SE KS | 1DSoon - 2016-02-17 3:46 PM rodeowithjoker - 2016-02-17 4:36 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2016-02-16 8:06 AM skye - 2016-02-13 8:28 PM I hope the grounds committee would get it where there was a tractor rake after 5 and 10. I think that would help a lot to keep the ground consistent for all barrel racers. They just need to throw in a few commercials like the TV time outs in a college and NFL football games.
I seem to recall that they are contractually obligated to complete the rodeo in 2 hours or less and I would assume that is because the City of LV wants the folks who's butts are in those seats to be back in the casino's spending money.
1Dsoon - URA stands for United Rodeo Association
They are under a time limit to get the rodeo ran off
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Location: That part of Texas | sliddenaround - 2016-02-16 3:47 PM Its a joke!! If he owns the dirt, let him take it home and use it in his pens.
He's selling it bit by bit. It's been "blessed by the boots of countless champions"  and some pretty important stuff, don't you know? Get yours while it's on sale!
http://www.prorodeogear.com/national-finals-rodeo/novelties/official-arena-dirt.html?___store=www_prorodeogear_nfr_com
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