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Location: Rocky Mountains | I was CONSIDERING doing an embryo transfer. I needed to find a good local stud due to the fact that she is young and maiden the embryo transfer vetrianarian stated that it's best to have live cover and the stud on site or in the area rather then receive shipped from a higher end stud:/ So I found one I'm interested in. Anyways this is only a hypothetical breeding.
Cutting to the chase. Just out of curiosity would would you value the foal at?
Stud:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dustin+pro
Mare:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rqf+fire+n+ice
I'm hoping to do this transfer but she will be one of my futurity horses in the future so I may or may not even try for it considering she'd be on lay off on training for possibly a month when you include geting her synced up to the other mare |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Based soley on your post and the apparent lack of knowledge that your vet has I would pass on doing it all.
and as far as value of the foal, since you do not have a proven(yet) entity in either the mare of the stallion the value will be far less than the actual costs incurred getting foal on the ground.
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| You have a well bred sire and well bred dam. But nice bloodlines are not enough. You also have what appears to be an unproven stallion and an unproven mare. Your vet isn't the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to his comments about a lesser stallion for live cover instead of shipping semen from a higher quality stallion. Sounds to me live he can't AI so he wants LC so there is no blame on him if she doesn't take. What is his plan for a recep mare?
As for the value, I'd say maybe $2,000. You will never recoup the ET cost on this foal unless you take it, make it into a winner yourself and sell it for a large sum.
We have a Stakes winning mare, who's produced 3 $100,000+ Stakes winners, has over $550,000 in produce earnings and we can't justify doing an ET on her anymore. If the baby only sells for $20,000, we would be breaking even after all the ET costs, stud fees, etc. |
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| I agree with what has been said. I would also get a 2nd opinion from a well known breeding vet. One who has done many embryo transfers and has a large herd of recept mares to choose from. Do some research on who you decide to breed to. The best bloodlines from proven studs sell their babies. Same thing for the dam. Also, we have bred our maiden mares with shipped semen, frozen or cooled. Again do some research on your choice of vet and stud. Good luck, it is a very expensive thing to do, but oh man, when that baby comes it is awesome to see them. |
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Location: Rocky Mountains | Lol I wouldnt take it out on the vet. I'm the one that is probably stating his words much differently than what he had meant. I just simply want a good well bred foal again:) I'm geting serious in futurity. I think what the vet had meant was the succes rate is much much lower On this particular procedure. He didn't mean to use a lesser stud. I think he was thinking in terms of helping me not spend a lot of my hard earned money and have a higher chance of not geting a foal. It's simply that I don't have a high end proven stud in my region of my interest. So it's me that doesn't know anything of this ET.
Thank you guys for your concern on this:) it's much apreciated<3
Edited by Chasin97canz 2016-02-14 10:15 AM
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | The foal isn't going to mbe worth much of anything to anyone other than you. The FILLY is only a 2yo. So obviously she hasn't done anything. The stallion doesn't exactly have a pedigree that screams "barrel horse sire". I wouldn't waste my money on that cross. E.T. is EXPENSIVE. Why spend all that money to get a foal that won't be worth even half of hwat you spent to get it here? |
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| You are looking at $3500-$5000 for just the procedure IF it works correctly first time.... So you would want to breed to a big name barrel sire to even have a glimmer of hope that the foal would be worth more than the expense. I researched this extensively this year because I was wanting to do a ET on my FG mare I run. I would go with a vet that is highly recommended by people for doing a TON of ETs as it will save you money in the long run. If you only have one mare synced up with yours the chances are slim of it all working out, most farms have a few hundred to choose from. |
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Location: Georgia | Tn_Barrelracer - 2016-02-14 1:11 PM You are looking at $3500-$5000 for just the procedure IF it works correctly first time.... So you would want to breed to a big name barrel sire to even have a glimmer of hope that the foal would be worth more than the expense. I researched this extensively this year because I was wanting to do a ET on my FG mare I run. I would go with a vet that is highly recommended by people for doing a TON of ETs as it will save you money in the long run. If you only have one mare synced up with yours the chances are slim of it all working out, most farms have a few hundred to choose from.
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Location: Midwest | I would not bother doing an ET to a less than stellar and proven stallion. I do love your mare's pedigree though, but I would wait and breed her after she's been proven. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | What I want to know is why your vet would ever say that live cover would be better than AI in an ET situation? Every mare that we breed and do ET on is AIed either to a shipped semen stallion or one of our own stallions here.
He's still going to have be proficient at, and do all of the ultrasounds to make sure the mare has ovulated whether she is AI'ed or live covered. And not just the donor mare, the recip mares as well.
Also what is the reasoning to have to lay your mare off for a month to get her synched up with the other mare? We flush the mares here that we are actually running and competing on. Other than the one day after they are inseminated here, (insemination ideally is usually a few hours hours before ovulation), they are still exercised and used as usual throughout the process. They get a light day of work post breeding and a light day of work post flush.
I don't know how to word this without sounding really crappy here--so I apologize if this comes across wrong--but if you are serious about doing ET you need to go with an experienced facility. Because it sure sounds like, from your posts, this vet has no idea what he is doing, and likely all you are going to end up with is a lot of expense and no foal.
Edited by rockinas 2016-02-15 7:27 PM
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Your mare is very nice. I would personally wait for her to prove herself before investing time, money, and energy into ET. It can be very costly. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Why do you even want to breed a mare that young when you have futurity plans? Everybody else nailed it in that your foal will have very little value. |
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Location: Texas | Why don't you just spend the money you have saved up for this on a foal, now is the perfect time to find a well bred foal and you can actually pick and choose specifics instead of the guessing game and posssibly ending up heart broken from this situation. |
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| I somewhat agree with whats been said. I will add though it is much cheaper if you have your own recip mare to use and I agree with not spending the time and money on ET if your not breeding to the best you possibly can. Your already looking at atleast $3500. You might as well make it worth it.
And some may not agree, but I am not a fan of "line breeding" so I would not be breeding that much Dash For Cash into a foal. I feel like todays "big name" gene pool is small enough. No need to make it smaller lol. |
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Location: Florida.. | And I think unless your keeping it for yourself.. breeding a unproven anything that young that you have no idea really how far the mare will go.. is senseless.. unless your keeping it.. clearly the vet doesnt have alot of experience in this.. either.. |
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Location: Oklahoma | You also have to hope for a conformationally correct baby. That is always an unknown factor too, that has to be taken into consideration. |
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Value of hypothetical foal