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| No I tried that. I would just pay them to sign what needs to be signed. Thats what I had to do. I said "what would it cost for you to sign so I can register this foal?" |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........ |
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teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........
I agree with you.
It frustrates me that people think they are entitled to the papers when the horse was sold without papers.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | cheryl makofka - 2016-02-22 9:08 AM NJJ - 2016-02-22 9:03 AM teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........ I agree with you. It frustrates me that people think they are entitled to the papers when the horse was sold without papers.
There is a reason a horse is sold without papers. It's not AQHA's or the previous owners obligation to provide you with papers if you bought the foal knowing the foal had none.
However, If you're asking this question because you want to breed two unproven horses like many of your other posts have implied, don't. Spend the money you will end up spending on a 2-3 year old with a nice future. One that is paid into a few futurities or who has parents who actually did something in their lifetime. You'll thank yourself later. You will never recoup costs if you try and sell the foal from two unproven horses for profit. It's just not going to happen realistically. 
And honestly if you have an unproven mare and an unproven stud but their great great grandsire was oh what's his name your foal isn't going to be worth more than a grade anyway in my opnion. To some, papers of any kind are better than none. But to me, If I don't recognize the sire, dam, or grand parents I lose interest and move on unless the price is right.
Almost only counts in hand grenades.
My two are papered but both from mares that, while they are "well bred" per say and "great horses" by some people's standards, are still unproven. I couldn't care less that my two have dams that are "nobodies" because I paid grade prices for them both. And if I was ever to resell them, or breed my mare to any stud at all no matter how proven the stud, I would still sell them or the foal at grade prices because that's what they're worth. 
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Location: Windoming | So I have a horse that I got from a friend who "thought" the horse was registered, but couldn't find the papers. (divorced and moved to a camper) I happened upon a post on FB from the breeder, so I messaged him about it. He said the horse was never registered, but that he would help me to register him. Can that even be done when the horse is 6 years old? I only want papers so that I can keep track of his age and breeding, no plans to ever sell him.
Anyway, my point is that you should not make judgments when you don't know full circumstances.
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NJJ - 2016-02-22 9:03 AM
teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........
I agree with you.
It frustrates me that people think they are entitled to the papers when the horse was sold without papers.
I disagree. A lot of times horses are sold grade because the current owner or previous owner lost the papers and is to lazy to have them replaced. I admire anyone who plays advocate to the horse and tries to get their papers. Having papers can give a horse a chance at a better quality of life down the road!  |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Sockittoemred - 2016-02-22 9:52 AM cheryl makofka - 2016-02-22 9:08 AM NJJ - 2016-02-22 9:03 AM teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........ I agree with you. It frustrates me that people think they are entitled to the papers when the horse was sold without papers. I disagree. A lot of times horses are sold grade because the curren t owner or previous owner lost the papers and is to lazy to have them replaced. I admire anyone who plays advocate to the horse and tries to get their papers. Having papers can give a horse a chance at a better quality of life down the road!
And really.....how many registered horses are in the "kill" pens ? Papers didn't help them !
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Sockittoemred - 2016-02-22 9:52 AM cheryl makofka - 2016-02-22 9:08 AM NJJ - 2016-02-22 9:03 AM teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........ I agree with you. It frustrates me that people think they are entitled to the papers when the horse was sold without papers. I disagree. A lot of times horses are sold grade because the curren t owner or previous owner lost the papers and is to lazy to have them replaced. I admire anyone who plays advocate to the horse and tries to get their papers. Having papers can give a horse a chance at a better quality of life down the road!
And really.....how many registered horses are in the "kill" pens ?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | FlyingJT - 2016-02-22 10:16 AM NJJ - 2016-02-22 10:05 AM Sockittoemred - 2016-02-22 9:52 AM cheryl makofka - 2016-02-22 9:08 AM NJJ - 2016-02-22 9:03 AM teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........ I agree with you. It frustrates me that people think they are entitled to the papers when the horse was sold without papers. I disagree. A lot of times horses are sold grade because the curren t owner or previous owner lost the papers and is to lazy to have them replaced. I admire anyone who plays advocate to the horse and tries to get their papers. Having papers can give a horse a chance at a better quality of life down the road!
And really.....how many registered horses are in the "kill" pens ?
quite a few!! More than anyone would want to think....
Exactly......and those papers gave them a better quality of life.....not! |
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| cheryl makofka - 2016-02-22 9:08 AM
NJJ - 2016-02-22 9:03 AM
teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........
I agree with you.
It frustrates me that people think they are entitled to the papers when the horse was sold without papers.
I came very close to not being able to get papers on my colt....it took a court order and me not only paying WAY more than the stud fee was worth but I also had to file and pay for the stallion breeding report. Had the court not included my circumstance in another lawsuit where the stallion owner had removed two of his stallions from a trainer without paying his bill, I would have been faced with an expensive lawsuit of my own.
Before you say that I should have dealt with a reputable breeder, I tried for 7 years to get this mare settled via AI, with FOUR, count them FOUR well known stallions. Three of them gave me some kind of option to somehow recoup my considerable investment in stud fees. The biggest name (one of the giants of the barrel horse industry, I was treated rather badly, my black type mare called junk and left standing with nothing but aggravation for my considerable investment in breeding fees and multiple collections paid for over several years. Yes, there was a live foal guarantee but a closer reading of the contract showed it to be for the following year only. At the time this mare already had one baby (live cover) on the ground, and I was just beginning to face the looong journey to get another colt on the ground. We would get a heartbeat every time, but then she (and two other mares) would absorb them shortly thereafter. We never did figure out why. The decision to breed to this unproven 3 year old was a last minute one to try live cover again. And to be frank, those quality stud owners willing to do live cover make it pretty slim pickins, especially in our area
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | rodeoveteran - 2016-02-22 10:25 AM cheryl makofka - 2016-02-22 9:08 AM NJJ - 2016-02-22 9:03 AM teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........ I agree with you. It frustrates me that people think they are entitled to the papers when the horse was sold without papers. I came very close to not being able to get papers on my colt....it took a court order and me not only paying WAY more than the stud fee was worth but I also had to file and pay for the stallion breeding report. Had the court not included my circumstance in another lawsuit where the stallion owner had removed two of his stallions from a trainer without paying his bill, I would have been faced with an expensive lawsuit of my own. Before you say that I should have dealt with a reputable breeder, I tried for 7 years to get this mare settled via AI, with FOUR, count them FOUR well known stallions. Three of them gave me some kind of option to somehow recoup my considerable investment in stud fees. The biggest name (one of the giants of the barrel horse industry, I was treated rather badly, my black type mare called junk and left standing with nothing but aggravation for my considerable investment in breeding fees and multiple collections paid for over several years. Yes, there was a live foal guarantee but a closer reading of the contract showed it to be for the following year only. At the time this mare already had one baby (live cover ) on the ground, and I was just beginning to face the looong journey to get another colt on the ground. We would get a heartbeat every time, but then she (and two other mares ) would absorb them shortly thereafter. We never did figure out why. The decision to breed to this unproven 3 year old was a last minute one to try live cover again. And to be frank, those quality stud owners willing to do live cover make it pretty slim pickins, especially in our area Just putting this out there in support of the times when horses are lacking papers through no fault of their own.
Granted there are extenuating circumstances but you didn't go BUY a GRADE horse at GRADE prices and then want to have a registered horse..... |
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| NJJ - 2016-02-22 10:36 AM
rodeoveteran - 2016-02-22 10:25 AM cheryl makofka - 2016-02-22 9:08 AM NJJ - 2016-02-22 9:03 AM teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........ I agree with you. It frustrates me that people think they are entitled to the papers when the horse was sold without papers. I came very close to not being able to get papers on my colt....it took a court order and me not only paying WAY more than the stud fee was worth but I also had to file and pay for the stallion breeding report. Had the court not included my circumstance in another lawsuit where the stallion owner had removed two of his stallions from a trainer without paying his bill, I would have been faced with an expensive lawsuit of my own. Before you say that I should have dealt with a reputable breeder, I tried for 7 years to get this mare settled via AI, with FOUR, count them FOUR well known stallions. Three of them gave me some kind of option to somehow recoup my considerable investment in stud fees. The biggest name (one of the giants of the barrel horse industry, I was treated rather badly, my black type mare called junk and left standing with nothing but aggravation for my considerable investment in breeding fees and multiple collections paid for over several years. Yes, there was a live foal guarantee but a closer reading of the contract showed it to be for the following year only. At the time this mare already had one baby (live cover ) on the ground, and I was just beginning to face the looong journey to get another colt on the ground. We would get a heartbeat every time, but then she (and two other mares ) would absorb them shortly thereafter. We never did figure out why. The decision to breed to this unproven 3 year old was a last minute one to try live cover again. And to be frank, those quality stud owners willing to do live cover make it pretty slim pickins, especially in our area Just putting this out there in support of the times when horses are lacking papers through no fault of their own.
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| NJJ - 2016-02-22 10:05 AM
Sockittoemred - 2016-02-22 9:52 AM cheryl makofka - 2016-02-22 9:08 AM NJJ - 2016-02-22 9:03 AM teehaha - 2016-02-21 6:22 PM call aqha or stallion owner to see IF they had the mare on the breeding report or IF one was even filed for that breeding year for the stallion
IF so, the foal registration papers would have been sent to the registered owner of the mare IF all the fees were paid and IF the stallion owner released them and you would have to get that paper from the mare owner plus a signed transfer for the foal and then you could get the papers.
Honestly I'd say it's awful hard to get people to cooperate that much.
My question would be.....why should they?
We have had numerous threads regarding people who purchase GRADE horses for, more than likely, GRADE PRICES and then want the benefits of having a reistered horse. I can see an exception if the papers have been lost, etc....but there is usually a reason that a horse is sold without papers........you buy it? you own a GRADE horse........ I agree with you. It frustrates me that people think they are entitled to the papers when the horse was sold without papers. I disagree. A lot of times horses are sold grade because the curren t owner or previous owner lost the papers and is to lazy to have them replaced. I admire anyone who plays advocate to the horse and tries to get their papers. Having papers can give a horse a chance at a better quality of life down the road!
And really.....how many registered horses are in the "kill" pens ?
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| I was standing behind the arena at the LG Pro classic while the futurity trainers were taking advantage of the open arena. One of them was talking about a horse that she had put in a sale because the horse, a gelding, was so unsound that it would never run barrels again. The horse was sold without papers but had her brand on it. A killer buyer bought the horse and awhile later someone called her wondering how they could get the papers on the horse. She said that if she ever sold another horse with out papers she would alter her brand so that the horse could not be traced back to her. She said that the horse was sold without papers for a reason and the nerve of some people.
These people are professional horseman and would not run a horse through a sale without papers unless they had a reason. Personally, I take this as an honest seller and they want to maintain their reputations, so no papers. |
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| streakysox - 2016-02-22 12:31 PM
I was standing behind the arena at the LG Pro classic while the futurity trainers were taking advantage of the open arena. One of them was talking about a horse that she had put in a sale because the horse, a gelding, was so unsound that it would never run barrels again. The horse was sold without papers but had her brand on it. A killer buyer bought the horse and awhile later someone called her wondering how they could get the papers on the horse. She said that if she ever sold another horse with out papers she would alter her brand so that the horse could not be traced back to her. She said that the horse was sold without papers for a reason and the nerve of some people.
These people are professional horseman and would not run a horse through a sale without papers unless they had a reason. Personally, I take this as an honest seller and they want to maintain their reputations, so no papers.
I find that silly... sorry to disagree but just because someone sells without papers doesnt mean there is a valid reason behind it. Nice horses get dumped all the time and information (papers) scattered due to divorce, irresponsibility, death, etc, how would someone know that wasnt the case with this one? Always the risk you take at a sale where you dont actually get to meet the owners and pass on information. Her own fault for selling a lame horse through a sale with her brand. She has to expect someone would try and find the background on it.
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Location: That part of Texas | Silly Filly - 2016-02-22 9:46 AM So I have a horse that I got from a friend who "thought" the horse was registered, but couldn't find the papers. (divorced and moved to a camper) I happened upon a post on FB from the breeder, so I messaged him about it. He said the horse was never registered, but that he would help me to register him. Can that even be done when the horse is 6 years old? I only want papers so that I can keep track of his age and breeding, no plans to ever sell him.
Anyway, my point is that you should not make judgments when you don't know full circumstances.
You can register a six year old but it's going to cost $500-545 depending on your membership status plus other fees. I have a few older horses that are not registered (were gifted to me) that for me, it's not worth that amount to have papers (I'm not selling mine either) just to know birthdate and breeding but everybody is different. |
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | It's one thing to sell or buy a horse without papers as such, even knowing it was registered - just that the papers aren't going to accompany the horse. There are lots of valid reasons for that and perfectly fine if the seller merely offers the horse without papers. End of story. However, to represent and sell a REGISTERED horse as grade, insinuating the horse was never registered, is a whole different issue, and frankly, dishonest. Selling a registered horse without disclosure of that status or knowledge usually means something is being hidden...perhaps the true age of the horse, the true parentage, etc, etc.
The other problem I have with a registered horse being sold without its papers, is that those papers are often used to represent a different horse as registered to an unsuspecting buyer. I used to work at a sale barn that had drawers full of registration papers and they would often go through the drawer to see what horses they had in the upcoming sale that could come close to matching those papers, thereby representing a different horse as being so registered.
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| Red Raider - 2016-02-22 1:04 PM
Silly Filly - 2016-02-22 9:46 AM So I have a horse that I got from a friend who "thought" the horse was registered, but couldn't find the papers. (divorced and moved to a camper) I happened upon a post on FB from the breeder, so I messaged him about it. He said the horse was never registered, but that he would help me to register him. Can that even be done when the horse is 6 years old? I only want papers so that I can keep track of his age and breeding, no plans to ever sell him.
Anyway, my point is that you should not make judgments when you don't know full circumstances.
You can register a six year old but it's going to cost $500-545 depending on your membership status plus other fees. I have a few older horses that are not registered (were gifted to me) that for me, it's not worth that amount to have papers (I'm not selling mine either) just to know birthdate and breeding but everybody is different.
Not necessarily, both parents have to have DNA on file. There are still a few horses that are ineligible as the mare was never dna'd.
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Location: That part of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2016-02-22 2:28 PM Red Raider - 2016-02-22 1:04 PM Silly Filly - 2016-02-22 9:46 AM So I have a horse that I got from a friend who "thought" the horse was registered, but couldn't find the papers. (divorced and moved to a camper) I happened upon a post on FB from the breeder, so I messaged him about it. He said the horse was never registered, but that he would help me to register him. Can that even be done when the horse is 6 years old? I only want papers so that I can keep track of his age and breeding, no plans to ever sell him.
Anyway, my point is that you should not make judgments when you don't know full circumstances.
You can register a six year old but it's going to cost $500-545 depending on your membership status plus other fees. I have a few older horses that are not registered (were gifted to me) that for me, it's not worth that amount to have papers (I'm not selling mine either) just to know birthdate and breeding but everybody is different. I also heard aqha is no longer accepting DNA results from the jockey club, know of one horse not registered as a result of this
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Location: Canada | Honestly when people say grade horse at grade price I think this only pertains to young horses. Once a horse has proven itself and has the record to show it I think it only affects price slightly. The difference would be a well bred mare with an excellent record this is where papers would influence the price greatly.
A gelding once proven I don't think affects the price greatly. The benefit of having papers on a gelding is to verify age.
In unproven up and coming horses a papered horse will outsell a grade horse any day but once proven I think the odds even out in the gelding department.
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