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| RFD-TV wrongly withholding winnings from The American rodeo, lawsuit says Hicks Thomas, LLP20 hours ago AMARILLO, Texas, Feb. 24, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- Rodeo professional Reese Riemer of Stinnett, Texas, has sued rodeo organizers Rural Media Group Inc. of Gretna, Nebraska, and RMG Events LLC of Nashville, Tennessee, for failing to pay his winnings from RFD-TV's 2015 The American rodeo competition. Billed as the largest one-day rodeo in history, The American was held March 1, 2015, at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas, with winners in each individual competition guaranteed $100,000 in prize money. In a format unique to The American, a $1 million "side pot" also was guaranteed for event winners who qualified through preliminary competitions. A tie-down roper, Mr. Riemer was publicly recognized as one of two qualifiers to share in the supplemental $1 million prize when the competition ended. "The incredible thing about this case is the fact that, even as we sit here today, the RFD Network publicly acknowledges and proclaims Reese as the winner of the event," says attorney John B. Thomas of the Houston-based litigation boutique Hicks Thomas, LLP, counsel for Mr. Riemer. "There is simply no legal justification for their failure to pay him." Following The American, Mr. Riemer was flown to Nashville for interviews on RFD-TV. It was only after the interviews were completed that officials notified Mr. Riemer that a stop payment was placed on the check for his winnings. The lawsuit says RFD-TV relied on rumors of an alleged agreement to split the purse when deciding to stop payment on the winner's check. According to Mr. Riemer, he and other cowboys were threatened by RFD-TV CEO Patrick Gottsch. "He called me saying he was going to stop payment on the check and threatened me with jail," says Mr. Riemer. Mr. Thomas says, "There is no evidence that Reese agreed to share the proceeds, and certainly no basis to suggest that he did anything wrong." The case is Reese Riemer v. Rural Media Group, et al., No. 2:16-cv-00031-J, in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas in Amarillo. Founded in 1997, Texas-based Hicks Thomas, LLP is a premier litigation firm representing plaintiffs and defendants across the nation. With offices in Amarillo, Houston, and Sacramento, California, the firm provides in-depth experience in cases involving oil and gas, environmental, complex commercial, toxic tort, products liability, corporate governance, securities, banking, insurance coverage, transportation, trade secrets and business litigation. Visit the firm at http://www.hicks-thomas.com. For more information, contact Rhonda Reddick at 800-559-4534 or rhonda@androvett.com. To view the original version on PR Newswire, visit: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/texas-cowboy-sues-the-american-for-share-of-1-million-purse-300225469.html |
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Location: TN | Yikes! So is he saying that he should have won $1 million instead of needing to split it? |
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| There was an accusation in the tiedown, there were 2 pros who made the top four and 2 amateurs. The accusation was that some of the pros, who could only rope for 100,000, would "let" the amateur win and then they would split his share of the $1 million. There has been an ongoing investigation.
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Location: Florida.. | I dont agree with any of this. if in fact that was the plan then pros should have known better.. he won.... and give him his check, let it be a lesson to them all.american owes the winner the money .. period.. Pros should conduct theirself better then trying to scam
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There was an accusation in the tiedown, there were three pros who made the top four and one amateur- this guy. The accusation was that some of the pros, who could only rope for 100,000, would "let" the amateur win and then they would split his share of the $1 million. There has been an ongoing investigation.
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| Bibliafarm - 2016-02-25 7:33 AM I dont agree with any of this. if in fact that was the plan then pros should have known better.. he won.... and give him his check, let it be a lesson to them all.american owes the winner the money .. period.. Pros should conduct theirself better then trying to scam
He supposedly was in on the deal. If you think about it, he would have to agree ahead of time, why would you hand over a good chunk of change to someone who saids to you after the fact that he let you win so he could split the big pot. Obviously they have not been able to prove anything. There was chatter that the pros involved would not be invited back but they are in the draw.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | If they have invited the other Pros back...and they have only rumors to point to here...they had better pay up. |
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Location: Florida.. | Rumors , and hearsay dont cut it.. he won ..pay up..shame on all of them for scamming if thats true |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | rodeomom3 - 2016-02-25 7:30 AM There was an accusation in the tiedown, there were three pros who made the top four and one amateur- this guy. The accusation was that some of the pros, who could only rope for 100,000, would "let" the amateur win and then they would split his share of the $1 million. There has been an ongoing investigation.
That isn't correct. There were at least two that weren't from the NFR top 10. One of these is the one that made the allegation that he was approached to let the one suing win and get the 1 million. |
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| There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! |
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| Did they pay out the rest of the money in the tie down? Seems to me there were other issues of payout unrelated to the tie down. Just wondering how much the American has lost over the last 2 years.
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| smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all!
This is the same story I heard from another pro roper. I've heard the same thing from a few different people so I'm assuming that's the way it went down. Of course we all know about ass-u & me. Who knows.  |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | It has being reported that the money is frozen by a federal investigation regarding RICCO laws? |
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Location: The edge of no where | NJJ - 2016-02-25 10:30 AM
It has being reported that the money is frozen by a federal investigation regarding RICCO laws?
^^This was what I heard. RFD-TV turned it over to the authorities to sort out. I'd think a year would be enough time to either charge them or pay them.....but you can't blame the delay all on RFD-TV, after they turned it over it was out of their hands. |
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Location: South Dakota | smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all!
Wow, that is interesting. I wonder how you could prove it though unless money exchanged hands. And if it did exchange hands, how in the world could you think you could get away with it. |
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| run2run - 2016-02-25 7:49 AM
Did they pay out the rest of the money in the tie down? Seems to me there were other issues of payout unrelated to the tie down. Just wondering how much the American has lost over the last 2 years.
The problem in the steer wrestling was resolved and the one guy did get his money. |
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| Timber Creek - 2016-02-25 9:55 AM
smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all!
Wow, that is interesting. I wonder how you could prove it though unless money exchanged hands. And if it did exchange hands, how in the world could you think you could get away with it.
Lots of people heard the conversation. But that is still here say. Although nothing surprises me with the one. He's a squid. No matter how good of a roper he is and no matter how God fearing he appears to the general public. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SKM - 2016-02-25 12:58 PM Timber Creek - 2016-02-25 9:55 AM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! Wow, that is interesting. I wonder how you could prove it though unless money exchanged hands. And if it did exchange hands, how in the world could you think you could get away with it. Lots of people heard the conversation. But that is still here say. Although nothing surprises me with the one. He's a squid. No matter how good of a roper he is and no matter how God fearing he appears to the general public.
I guess from reading that you must have been down there.
That is way cool, and had to be pretty intense.
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Did the steer wrestler have to sue to get his money? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | MS2011 - 2016-02-25 10:50 AM NJJ - 2016-02-25 10:30 AM It has being reported that the money is frozen by a federal investigation regarding RICCO laws? ^^This was what I heard. RFD-TV turned it over to the authorities to sort out. I'd think a year would be enough time to either charge them or pay them.....but you can't blame the delay all on RFD-TV, after they turned it over it was out of their hands.
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all!
I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. |
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| CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 3:11 PM
smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all!
I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about.
Did you watch the final round? Roy almost freaked out when Tuff didn't win the final round. The commentators asked Roy why Tuff used a double wrap when so much money was up and Roy said he didn't know, he said Tuff must have a reason, but he couldn't see it. He said it was uncharacteristic for Tuff to use 2 wraps when he was roping for so much money. While that is not proof, it is pretty ****ing and I must admit I immediately told my husband he just threw the roping. But I really don't think this something worth getting mad about.  |
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| CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 1:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about.
Enough information is out there that it is not a tightly guarded secret about who was involved. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Pepper Stewart has been talking with Randy Bernard. Keep up with his show --Pepper will get to the bottom of it. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | barrelrider - 2016-02-25 12:27 PM Why is he just now suing? I thought this was over and done with several months ago. I was surprised to see that he is suing at this point.
The debacle with the steer wrestler was resolved.....this event (calf roping) has NOT been paid out, as yet.......... |
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| CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 2:11 PM
smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all!
I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about.
Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations.
Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year.
Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not. |
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just.... whoa....
Whoa at all the accusations and what could possibly be truth just blows my mind....
Why throw the roping to a non pro? Shouldn't the "Pro" be better than the non pro in theory? Why be so scared to lose that you throw the roping??? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | SKM - 2016-02-25 4:23 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 2:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations. Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year. Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | IRunOnFaith - 2016-02-25 4:24 PM I always learn something new... Everyday....
just.... whoa....
Whoa at all the accusations and what could possibly be truth just blows my mind....
Why throw the roping to a non pro? Shouldn't the "Pro" be better than the non pro in theory? Why be so scared to lose that you throw the roping???
It was all about the money...... 600K (100K to win PLUS 500K bonus) split four ways is 150K...... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2016-02-25 4:26 PM SKM - 2016-02-25 4:23 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 2:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations. Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year. Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not.
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smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all!
I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about.
Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations.
Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year.
Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not.
Dont think he was "not invited back"
They auctioned him off at the patch auction, and he is listed on the FB page as a qualifier from the NFR... |
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Location: The edge of no where | SKM - 2016-02-25 4:23 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 2:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations. Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year. Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not.
Tuf is roping at the American this year....they did a write up about his patch auction $$$ going to Colton Workmen's foundation..... |
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SKM - 2016-02-25 4:23 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 2:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations. Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year. Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not.
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SKM - 2016-02-25 4:23 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 2:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations. Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year. Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not.
Guess I'll have to check my resources. I thought they drew him out. We will find out in a few days if he is or isn't there. I know in a 2015 interview with Randy Bernard, he said if the investigation found the allegations to be real, they would draw people out.
Guess this will be the drama/climax for the 2016 American.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | SKM - 2016-02-25 4:40 PM MS2011 - 2016-02-25 3:37 PM SKM - 2016-02-25 4:23 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 2:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations. Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year. Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not. Guess I'll have to check my resources. I thought they drew him out. We will find out in a few days if he is or isn't there. I know in a 2015 interview with Randy Bernard, he said if the investigation found the allegations to be real, they would draw people out. Guess this will be the drama/climax for the 2016 American.
It's all about marketing for The American and the ERA. He has too many fans and most people don't have a clue what is going on so it's in their best interest to have him there.
Here you go..
Our #ERAAthletes were lucky to spend some time with young cowboy, Colton Workman! Many of our ERA Athletes, along with Colton were auctioned off for RFD-TV's #TheAmerican. Athletes such as Tuf Cooper, Trevor Brazile and Jade Corkill either matched his bid or donated their money to Colton's Anti Bullying Foundation, Saddle Up and together let's Reign in Bullying!
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 3:28 PM
CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 1:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about.
Wow I can't believe the attacks on someone's character is being allowed to go on. None of the allegations are proven, all just here say up to now. I thought this was against the BHW rules. I have had my hand slapped just on an opinion about who was chosen to ride a high dollar horse. I didn't attack anyone's character either. |
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| mreklaw - 2016-02-25 4:26 PM brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 3:28 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 1:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Wow I can't believe the attacks on someone's character is being allowed to go on. None of the allegations are proven, all just here say up to now. I thought this was against the BHW rules. I have had my hand slapped just on an opinion about who was chosen to ride a high dollar horse. I didn't attack anyone's character either.
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 6:36 PM
mreklaw - 2016-02-25 4:26 PM brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 3:28 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 1:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Wow I can't believe the attacks on someone's character is being allowed to go on. None of the allegations are proven, all just here say up to now. I thought this was against the BHW rules. I have had my hand slapped just on an opinion about who was chosen to ride a high dollar horse. I didn't attack anyone's character either.
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| mreklaw - 2016-02-25 4:43 PM brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 6:36 PM mreklaw - 2016-02-25 4:26 PM brlraceaddict - 2016-02-25 3:28 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 1:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Wow I can't believe the attacks on someone's character is being allowed to go on. None of the allegations are proven, all just here say up to now. I thought this was against the BHW rules. I have had my hand slapped just on an opinion about who was chosen to ride a high dollar horse. I didn't attack anyone's character either. You totally missed my point. My comment was to all those bashing TC when it's all here say. My hands were slapped by a mod on a previous thread.
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Was 1st place in tie down the only check that wasn't paid out?
Did the steer wrestler hire an attorney to get paid?
Were there others that didn't get paid for several months after the event was over?
What other events made deals in the past to split the money?
How much has the American lost in the last 2 years?
Can anyone answer these questions with something other than facts that aren't really facts. Lol
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | run2run - 2016-02-25 8:22 PM Just some questions I have: Was 1st place in tie down the only check that wasn't paid out? Did the steer wrestler hire an attorney to get paid? Were there others that didn't get paid for several months after the event was over? What other events made deals in the past to split the money? How much has the American lost in the last 2 years? Can anyone answer these questions with something other than facts that aren't really facts. Lol
Steer wrestler question:
There was some ambiguity regarding the rules about if there was a tie in an event win. They settled it shortly after the rodeo with a conference call between Fields (bareback winner), Reimer (calf roping winner) and KC Jones (steer wrestling winner). It was decided that Jones would get $283K….all three gave up a little money to settle the question since there really wasn’t a precedent for what to do with a tie ………. |
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| NJJ - 2016-02-25 4:26 PM SKM - 2016-02-25 4:23 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 2:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations. Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year. Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not.
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| NJJ - 2016-02-25 10:30 AM
It has being reported that the money is frozen by a federal investigation regarding RICCO laws?
There are actually three investigations The FBI, Texas Rangers,and the local police. Randy also said he would not ban anyone UNTIL after the investigation is over. |
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NJJ - 2016-02-25 10:30 AM
It has being reported that the money is frozen by a federal investigation regarding RICCO laws?
There are actually three investigations The FBI, Texas Rangers,and the local police. Randy also said he would not ban anyone UNTIL after the investigation is over.
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| Didn't Taylor Price win the bareback? According to an article on rodeocountryradio.com no such conversation ever took place where the guys agreed to give a portion of their money to the steer wrestler and that is also being addressed in the lawsuit. Maybe someone can copy and paste that article.
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Location: In my own little world | This is fact and not hearsay. These are the exact words from the interview with Randy. I also watched this episode on RFD TV Now if there were only 4 involved and two could benefit significantly from it, it really narrows any "accusations" down of who that might be if somewas is speculating....And with all the law agencies involved issues generally don't get to that level without due cause.
About last year; at The American Finals, there were accusations of wrongdoing among some of the Final Four contestants in the calf roping. Have you had any resolution to that situation?
No. What we’ve done is turned it over to the proper legal authorities and have asked them to address the issue. As far as I know, there’s still an investigation going on.
Has there been any money awarded to the winners in that event yet?
Nope, not in the calf roping.
Will anybody be barred from competing as a result in 2016?
That’s really hard. I never want to be a person who puts doubt in our own industry. If the proper authorities came back and said, “There is something here,” then we would have to address it. But until that time, my opinion is that we have to move forward until something is handed down.
When you reference “proper authorities,” could you clarify who you mean?
We put this out to several different law authorities, everyone from the FBI to the Texas Rangers to the Arlington Police Department.
Have you received any updates from any of those agencies on their investigation?
We’ve had some discussions with some, but at this point, until everything has been completed, it’s not fair to talk about it.
What rulebook and procedural changes have you made for the coming year to keep those problems at bay?
We have a plan, but we won’t announce it until October. But this is something we’ve sat down in many meetings to determine a plan that makes this the best for the fans and to make sure the event has the utmost integrity.
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| mollibtexan - 2016-02-25 11:03 PM
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NJJ - 2016-02-25 10:30 AM
It has being reported that the money is frozen by a federal investigation regarding RICCO laws?
There are actually three investigations The FBI, Texas Rangers,and the local police. Randy also said he would not ban anyone UNTIL after the investigation is over.
Way to go love this response. I will say though there had to have had substantial evidence.
I agree - there would have to be substantial evidence to keep an investigation moving forward - Doing a little digging, the RICO laws have different parts and section 1962 defines and manages the issues. 1962(c) also discusses patterns of conduct in an enterprise - sooooo if the investigators determined that some of the individuals involved had done this before, things could get dicey pretty quickly and also account for the investigation taking a longer period of time.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | run2run - 2016-02-25 11:30 PM Didn't Taylor Price win the bareback? According to an article on rodeocountryradio.com no such conversation ever took place where the guys agreed to give a portion of their money to the steer wrestler and that is also being addressed in the lawsuit. Maybe someone can copy and paste that article.
This is the article where Randy Bernard states that there WAS a conversation via conference call to include the steer wrestler in a portion of the million $$$$..........
http://www.therodeoroundup.com/news/major-announcement-regarding-1-million-dollar-prize-american/
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| Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question)
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Location: South Central Florida | Something I don't understand, I guess it depends on the order of events, but how could they know how many qualifiers in other events might win? That would effect the portion of the $1 million, right? I guess they might know by the last round, some events didn't have any qualifiers in the last 4.
BUT, if it is not specifically against the rules (I do not think it is okay at all) how can they punish someone? It is wrong, and should be wrong, but I'm curious how the rules come in to play.
Example, the 1st year, the first 3 in the final round hit barrels...Lisa L could have (but didn't) high loped a pattern and not risked hitting a barrel and won it. Instead she ran wide open and had one of the fastest times overall AND still won it. But I guess that's sort of my question, do they have rules going into the last round that address things like that?
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Location: torrington, wy | Did they do a Fantasy Rodeo for this rodeo? Like where you bought riders and teams and it paid back? If so, I think that is where your Fed's would come in if it was, when gambling is involed, there is a new set of rules.
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | smak - 2016-02-26 2:38 PM
Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question)
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Location: South Central Florida | I also find it incredibly hard to believe no one had a provision for a tie written into the rules. |
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Location: South Central Florida | mreklaw - 2016-02-26 4:34 PM smak - 2016-02-26 2:38 PM Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question) If you didn't HEAR it yourself then it's here say!
It kind of sounds like the poster DID hear it for themselves.
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Swannranch - 2016-02-26 3:38 PM
mreklaw - 2016-02-26 4:34 PM smak - 2016-02-26 2:38 PM Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question) If you didn't HEAR it yourself then it's here say!
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smak - 2016-02-26 2:38 PM
Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question)
If you didn't HEAR it yourself then it's here say!
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Location: Ky | If this class is the only one that wasn't paid out then they probably have a good reason to wait. If none of the classes have been paid then then maybe they would be trying to pull a NasHorse on everyone? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | tebar - 2016-02-26 3:32 PM Did they do a Fantasy Rodeo for this rodeo? Like where you bought riders and teams and it paid back? If so, I think that is where your Fed's would come in if it was, when gambling is involed, there is a new set of rules.
Yes, there was a fantasy rodeo team but it didnt cost anything. Although they were giving away a polaras. So I dont know how that works? |
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| jd&ez - 2016-02-27 7:14 AM If this class is the only one that wasn't paid out then they probably have a good reason to wait. If none of the classes have been paid then then maybe they would be trying to pull a NasHorse on everyone?
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | J Cunningham - 2016-02-26 3:50 PM
mreklaw - 2016-02-26 1:34 PM
smak - 2016-02-26 2:38 PM
Yes actually I do know for a fact that it was said, the person that said it is who told me that he said it! TC is not the person everyone thinks he is I know this as I have had to deal with him at a big roping and he was not the most friendly roper there! (I am not sure how to comment back on my post to answer the question)
If you didn't HEAR it yourself then it's here say!
It's HEARSAY !!
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| I just have to say a few things. I am really disappointed that people are considering these individuals guilty based on the opinions and hearsay of people on a forum. If it was so black and white, I would imagine they proper authorities would have made a decision/indictment or whatever repercussions necessary by now if it was that easy. Clearly, it's not as cut and dry as some of you think. Prosecuting someone online is beyond frustrating to me.
Secondly before anyone says it, I am a big tc fan but not in the boy band, squirmy girl kind of way. I was at the American last year and he was so polite and really went out of his way to make every fan seem important. We ran into him walking to our car and he took a picture and carried a genuine conversation with us. Based on that, I'm going to need a lot more evidence than a bunch of hearsay to write him off as an "unchristian cheater."
Anyone ever consider and I'm not saying this is true that the individual who is making these allegations was upset from a loss that day? Im not saying he did that because I don't like to assume but if we're going to make assumptions isn't that entirely possible? I've seen all too often how sore of losers there can be.
All of the critiques from his run that night are nothing more than pieces you've all put together to try and add more to this story. Have you watched how often people make split decisions in a run? Some good, some bad, some safety up.... if this issue wouldn't have arisen, I don't think It would have ever been mentioned whether he made one wrap or two.
And I'm not saying he's innocent because I don't know all the facts but what I do know is that none of you know either. And obviously it's a year long investigation so it's obviously not a slam dunk. Publicly shaming people is nothing more than bullying.
For the sake of The American, I hope they sort it out. I hope we don't have that greedy of people in our sport. And I hope it doesn't ruin it for years to come.
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | NJJ - 2016-02-28 7:05 PM Karma got one today........LOL
What an ugly and utterly rude thing to say about somebody based on an unfounded rumor. "FACT Checker"? I don't think so. Last I looked, even with Obama as President, this is still AMERICA, where one is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. And yes, I do believe in karma, so if I were you, I'd be looking over my shoulder. |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | stayceem - 2016-02-28 11:06 PM I just have to say a few things. I am really disappointed that people are considering these individuals guilty based on the opinions and hearsay of people on a forum. If it was so black and white, I would imagine they proper authorities would have made a decision/indictment or whatever repercussions necessary by now if it was that easy. Clearly, it's not as cut and dry as some of you think. Prosecuting someone online is beyond frustrating to me. Secondly before anyone says it, I am a big tc fan but not in the boy band, squirmy girl kind of way. I was at the American last year and he was so polite and really went out of his way to make every fan seem important. We ran into him walking to our car and he took a picture and carried a genuine conversation with us. Based on that, I'm going to need a lot more evidence than a bunch of hearsay to write him off as an "unchristian cheater." Anyone ever consider and I'm not saying this is true that the individual who is making these allegations was upset from a loss that day? Im not saying he did that because I don't like to assume but if we're going to make assumptions isn't that entirely possible? I've seen all too often how sore of losers there can be. All of the critiques from his run that night are nothing more than pieces you've all put together to try and add more to this story. Have you watched how often people make split decisions in a run? Some good, some bad, some safety up.... if this issue wouldn't have arisen, I don't think It would have ever been mentioned whether he made one wrap or two. And I'm not saying he's innocent because I don't know all the facts but what I do know is that none of you know either. And obviously it's a year long investigation so it's obviously not a slam dunk. Publicly shaming people is nothing more than bullying. For the sake of The American, I hope they sort it out. I hope we don't have that greedy of people in our sport. And I hope it doesn't ruin it for years to come. Flame away I suppose.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CrossCreek - 2016-02-28 11:13 PM NJJ - 2016-02-28 7:05 PM Karma got one today........LOL
What an ugly and utterly rude thing to say about somebody based on an unfounded rumor. "FACT Checker"? I don't think so. Last I looked, even with Obama as President, this is still AMERICA, where one is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. And yes, I do believe in karma, so if I were you, I'd be looking over my shoulder.
You are correct....it was rude and I apologize....
I guess I have more knowledge of his "family" connections.....and he HAS learned a few from his father....all that I am going to say......I certainly hope it isn't true but I don't think the "Feds", etc would be involved IF there wasn't a grain of truth there...... Thanks for the warning though......I will be watching my back (from you.....lol) |
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 10:31 AM
Just because YOU haven't heard about something doesn't mean it isn't true. Also, just because you are a fan of someone and don't want it to be true, don't attack people who do know or have seen things you don't want to believe.
And just because you dont like someone... doesnt mean everything negative thing you HEAR is true. Your theory works both ways. 
And if you read my post, I am not denying anything happened. I am simply stating that none of us know the facts. The fact that there is an investigation means that there were allegations and with that amount of money, they are going to look into it. With that said, the fact that there has been no resolution also means that this is not an easily proven case.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | stayceem - 2016-02-29 11:29 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 10:31 AM
Just because YOU haven't heard about something doesn't mean it isn't true. Also, just because you are a fan of someone and don't want it to be true, don't attack people who do know or have seen things you don't want to believe. And just because you dont like someone... doesnt mean everything negative thing you HEAR is true. Your theory works both ways. And if you read my post, I am not denying anything happened. I am simply stating that none of us know the facts. The fact that there is an investigation means that there were allegations and with that amount of money, they are going to look into it. With that said, the fact that there has been no resolution also means that this is not an easily proven case. All I am saying is leave the law & order to the proper authorities.
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 11:33 AM
stayceem - 2016-02-29 11:29 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 10:31 AM
Just because YOU haven't heard about something doesn't mean it isn't true. Also, just because you are a fan of someone and don't want it to be true, don't attack people who do know or have seen things you don't want to believe. And just because you dont like someone... doesnt mean everything negative thing you HEAR is true. Your theory works both ways. And if you read my post, I am not denying anything happened. I am simply stating that none of us know the facts. The fact that there is an investigation means that there were allegations and with that amount of money, they are going to look into it. With that said, the fact that there has been no resolution also means that this is not an easily proven case. All I am saying is leave the law & order to the proper authorities.
Okay. So far I have only heard that so and so told you or so and so told, so and so who told you. Thats not facts. Unless you were one of the people approached, its not actual useable evidence.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | stayceem - 2016-02-29 11:45 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 11:33 AM stayceem - 2016-02-29 11:29 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 10:31 AM
Just because YOU haven't heard about something doesn't mean it isn't true. Also, just because you are a fan of someone and don't want it to be true, don't attack people who do know or have seen things you don't want to believe. And just because you dont like someone... doesnt mean everything negative thing you HEAR is true. Your theory works both ways. And if you read my post, I am not denying anything happened. I am simply stating that none of us know the facts. The fact that there is an investigation means that there were allegations and with that amount of money, they are going to look into it. With that said, the fact that there has been no resolution also means that this is not an easily proven case. All I am saying is leave the law & order to the proper authorities. Okay. So far I have only heard that so and so told you or so and so told, so and so who told you. Thats not facts. Unless you were one of the people approached, its not actual useable evidence. I will let the proper authorities do their jobs.
Careful sister, I never wrote anything like that. You have no clue who's lips I heard it from. However, the authorities heard the same thing, from those same lips. |
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stayceem - 2016-02-29 11:45 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 11:33 AM stayceem - 2016-02-29 11:29 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 10:31 AM
Just because YOU haven't heard about something doesn't mean it isn't true. Also, just because you are a fan of someone and don't want it to be true, don't attack people who do know or have seen things you don't want to believe. And just because you dont like someone... doesnt mean everything negative thing you HEAR is true. Your theory works both ways. And if you read my post, I am not denying anything happened. I am simply stating that none of us know the facts. The fact that there is an investigation means that there were allegations and with that amount of money, they are going to look into it. With that said, the fact that there has been no resolution also means that this is not an easily proven case. All I am saying is leave the law & order to the proper authorities. Okay. So far I have only heard that so and so told you or so and so told, so and so who told you. Thats not facts. Unless you were one of the people approached, its not actual useable evidence. I will let the proper authorities do their jobs.
I apologize for not clarifying... thus far in this thread... I have only heard people say they have heard it from so and so... Which is why I posted me OP.
Then if the authorities have heard this, let them deal with it. And the truth will come out. I dont know you from adam. Dont know if what you said it true. Dont know that its not. I just feel that it will resolve itself and we will all know then at that point. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | stayceem - 2016-02-29 11:57 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 11:53 AM stayceem - 2016-02-29 11:45 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 11:33 AM stayceem - 2016-02-29 11:29 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2016-02-29 10:31 AM
Just because YOU haven't heard about something doesn't mean it isn't true. Also, just because you are a fan of someone and don't want it to be true, don't attack people who do know or have seen things you don't want to believe. And just because you dont like someone... doesnt mean everything negative thing you HEAR is true. Your theory works both ways. And if you read my post, I am not denying anything happened. I am simply stating that none of us know the facts. The fact that there is an investigation means that there were allegations and with that amount of money, they are going to look into it. With that said, the fact that there has been no resolution also means that this is not an easily proven case. All I am saying is leave the law & order to the proper authorities. Okay. So far I have only heard that so and so told you or so and so told, so and so who told you. Thats not facts. Unless you were one of the people approached, its not actual useable evidence. I will let the proper authorities do their jobs. I apologize for not clarifying... thus far in this thread... I have only heard people say they have heard it from so and so... Which is why I posted me OP. Then if the authorities have heard this, let them deal with it. And the truth will come out. I dont know you from adam. Dont know if what you said it true. Dont know that its not. I just feel that it will resolve itself and we will all know then at that point.
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CrossCreek - 2016-02-28 11:13 PM NJJ - 2016-02-28 7:05 PM Karma got one today........LOL
What an ugly and utterly rude thing to say about somebody based on an unfounded rumor. "FACT Checker"? I don't think so. Last I looked, even with Obama as President, this is still AMERICA, where one is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. And yes, I do believe in karma, so if I were you, I'd be looking over my shoulder.
I guess I have more knowledge of his "family" connections.....and he HAS learned a few from his father....all that I am going to say......I certainly hope it isn't true but I don't think the "Feds", etc would be involved IF there wasn't a grain of truth there...... Thanks for the warning though......I will be watching my back (from you.....lol)
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-02-25 4:30 PM
NJJ - 2016-02-25 4:26 PM SKM - 2016-02-25 4:23 PM CrossCreek - 2016-02-25 2:11 PM smak - 2016-02-25 8:21 AM There were actually 2 "pros" and 2 guys who could go for the million. One of the guys who could go for the million declined the "pros" offer and told the one he needed to take Jesus off his shirt. It was not a good deal at all! I'm hot, about 2 things. A. You present your statement as fact, when I really doubt you could know, unless you were standing there and somehow INVOLVED, and B. You are in fact SAYING that Tuff Cooper was one of the pros. That's a pretty strong allegation, sir, or maam...I hope you know what you are talking about. Fact: the Feds felt there was enough evidence that they are investigating the allegations. Fact: Tuf was not invited back to The American this year. Fact: while Tuf is a nice enough guy, a choir boy he is not.
My response was supposed to be quoting this, not sure how that worked! |
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| BarrelRacer6789 - 2016-02-29 6:54 PM
Lol! Got to agree on that one. Seems as though it doesn't matter what Golden Boy does, he is never in the wrong to his fans. I think it is all just going to blow over unfortunately. According to one party, he hasn't even been questioned yet so that tells you how hard they are investigating.
I have a little experience with a FBI investigation ( as a witness). Don't let the fact that a suspect has not been questioned yet form your opinion. The FBI will have all the information they can gather from all the party's before they interview the prime suspect. And the FBI works slowly but they don't miss much at least in the case I was a witness they didn't. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | jbhoot - 2016-02-29 7:59 PM
BarrelRacer6789 - 2016-02-29 6:54 PM
Lol! Got to agree on that one. Seems as though it doesn't matter what Golden Boy does, he is never in the wrong to his fans. I think it is all just going to blow over unfortunately. According to one party, he hasn't even been questioned yet so that tells you how hard they are investigating.
I have a little experience with a FBI investigation ( as a witness ). Don't let the fact that a suspect has not been questioned yet form your opinion. The FBI will have all the information they can gather from all the party's before they interview the prime suspect. And the FBI works slowly but they don't miss much at least in the case I was a witness they didn't.
Well I have no experience with an FBI investigation but it seems like to me if they really wanted to know if this was going down they should have released the funds and watched where the money ended up. |
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Location: That part of Texas | jbhoot - 2016-02-29 7:59 PM BarrelRacer6789 - 2016-02-29 6:54 PM Lol! Got to agree on that one. Seems as though it doesn't matter what Golden Boy does, he is never in the wrong to his fans. I think it is all just going to blow over unfortunately. According to one party, he hasn't even been questioned yet so that tells you how hard they are investigating. I have a little experience with a FBI investigation ( as a witness ). Don't let the fact that a suspect has not been questioned yet form your opinion. The FBI will have all the information they can gather from all the party's before they interview the prime suspect. And the FBI works slowly but they don't miss much at least in the case I was a witness they didn't.
I don't think the Feds have got a case. This is unusual for these types of cases in that the events/players aren't acting on an ongoing or continuous basis to defraud someone. The facts are centered around what happened during those few days and aren't something ongoing like most of these operations are. While I don't think it's near, there are statutes of limitations that apply and a defendant's right to a speedy trial that come into play on whether or not the government is going to charge someone with a crime and whether or not a delay by the government causes evidence to "spoil" or otherwise go away so that the defendant doesn't have the ability to adequately prepare a defense. If you are not charged with anything, I can see filing this suit as your only way to make them finally move one way or the other on federal charges and payouts being distributed. You typically don't file something like this unless you're sure it's not going to backfire on you. |
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| mreklaw - 2016-03-01 10:34 AM
jbhoot - 2016-02-29 7:59 PM
BarrelRacer6789 - 2016-02-29 6:54 PM
Lol! Got to agree on that one. Seems as though it doesn't matter what Golden Boy does, he is never in the wrong to his fans. I think it is all just going to blow over unfortunately. According to one party, he hasn't even been questioned yet so that tells you how hard they are investigating.
I have a little experience with a FBI investigation ( as a witness ). Don't let the fact that a suspect has not been questioned yet form your opinion. The FBI will have all the information they can gather from all the party's before they interview the prime suspect. And the FBI works slowly but they don't miss much at least in the case I was a witness they didn't.
Well I have no experience with an FBI investigation but it seems like to me if they really wanted to know if this was going down they should have released the funds and watched where the money ended up.
I think you missed the crime here. The crime that may arise here is conspiracy to comment fraud. The conspiracy is a crime in it self. If they released the funds they would open themselves up to prosecution by partaking in a conspiracy. I think the American was correct here. Deposit the money with the courts and let them figure it out why take the chance. |
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| Red Raider - 2016-03-01 10:39 AM
jbhoot - 2016-02-29 7:59 PM BarrelRacer6789 - 2016-02-29 6:54 PM Lol! Got to agree on that one. Seems as though it doesn't matter what Golden Boy does, he is never in the wrong to his fans. I think it is all just going to blow over unfortunately. According to one party, he hasn't even been questioned yet so that tells you how hard they are investigating. I have a little experience with a FBI investigation ( as a witness ). Don't let the fact that a suspect has not been questioned yet form your opinion. The FBI will have all the information they can gather from all the party's before they interview the prime suspect. And the FBI works slowly but they don't miss much at least in the case I was a witness they didn't.
I have no idea if the fed's have a thing. I was only stating that in my limited experience they where slow as molasses. And I agree on the suit file it and bring it to a head. |
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| Red Raider - 2016-03-01 10:39 AM
jbhoot - 2016-02-29 7:59 PM BarrelRacer6789 - 2016-02-29 6:54 PM Lol! Got to agree on that one. Seems as though it doesn't matter what Golden Boy does, he is never in the wrong to his fans. I think it is all just going to blow over unfortunately. According to one party, he hasn't even been questioned yet so that tells you how hard they are investigating. I have a little experience with a FBI investigation ( as a witness ). Don't let the fact that a suspect has not been questioned yet form your opinion. The FBI will have all the information they can gather from all the party's before they interview the prime suspect. And the FBI works slowly but they don't miss much at least in the case I was a witness they didn't.
I agree with this. I think no matter what the truth is, it is going to be really hard to prove. There are so many different defense tactics one could take/use. And I think this cowboy filing suit must be feeling pretty confident if he is willing to move forward wanting his earnings. Thats just my opinion but like I said, we shall see. |
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