RoaniePonie11 - 2016-03-01 6:36 PM

Can you post basic info on the horse so people looking at a horse will know if it's worth asking you or not? Like color/age/sex?

Phxbarrel - 2016-03-01 7:42 PM I'd be happy to give that info via PM.

Phxbarrel - 2016-03-01 7:42 PM I'd be happy to give that info via PM.

I'mlost - 2016-03-05 3:45 PM

Would be nice if a person could put a disclosure on the horses papers like a car title. If a car is damaged over so many dollars you have to disclose it. Wish you could brand their papers as broodmare only or unsound. Wouldn't stop all bad sellers but could help??

Phxbarrel - 2016-03-01 4:59 PM

I know a lot of you guys buy horses off of BHW and I just wanted to put out a warning:

I sold a horse as a recipient mare to a well-known barrel racer that is now in turn selling her as a barrel/pole/rope, but more importantly a novice or beginner-friendly. horse and I’m concerned whoever buys her might get hurt and/or seriously disappointed in the horse they purchase. I’m not going to post names here, but if you would like to know the horse so you can avoid it, please contact me privately.

I'm not going around looking to just trash someone's name, but there is a real concern with this horse, the seller is being completely dishonest and I'm not even sure if I am allowed to make a post like this, but here we are anyways because unlike dishonest sellers I do have a conscience and I feel like I should warn people just in case.

Sorry if this is not allowed.

RunNitroRun - 2016-03-02 2:03 PM

There is a woman around here who buys cheap or takes free horses and keeps them for a month, or less, then lists them for sale as kid safe, running 1D etc.

Some of these horses are downright dangerous.

She's been called out on FB a few times by previous owners who gave them their lame horse as a pasture pet only and she's selling them as finished running barrel horses.

Phxbarrel - 2016-03-07 2:45 PM Actually I am editing my previous response.... This is not to start drama, this is not because I am disgruntled. I posted this because I know this horses history, it is being labeled as something it is not (classification of dishonest) and I have the balls to speak up about it and let someone make an informed decision. Do what you all will with the info.

Phxbarrel - 2016-03-07 2:45 PM Actually I am editing my previous response.... This is not to start drama, this is not because I am disgruntled. I posted this because I know this horses history, it is being labeled as something it is not (classification of dishonest) and I have the balls to speak up about it and let someone make an informed decision. Do what you all will with the info.

rodeomom3 - 2016-03-07 4:46 PM  Nothing at all wrong with what you posted.  It is a shame how dishonest people can be,  I don't know how it doesn't bother them. 

Southtxponygirl - 2016-03-07 3:42 PM


You should have left what you posted, saw it and liked what you had to say  

Phxbarrel - 2016-03-07 11:05 PM Aw! Well, thanks! Lol. I re-read it and was like, dammit someone might take this and get dramatic with it lol! I feel like I'm walking on eggshells for doing the right thing -.-

BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-07 1:18 AM Please explain why you were selling your mare as a recipient mare with papers and why would anyone want to buy a recipient mare when you can lease or buy them for $500-1500 per ET pregnancy?? One recipient mare isn't going to do anyone any good since everything needs to coordinate with the donor mare and lab doing the ET ... why do you see 50-100 recip mares adjacent to the big repro labs?? It isn't because they love feeding them .. I have friends that are in the recip and nurse mare business and a couple of weeks ago they processed a 100 mares to get a calendar on them so they can run tests on a small group from this data base in order to supply repro labs or individuals with mares that are coming into cycle exactly per their donor mare activity etc etc ... Unknown to common breeders the repro labs demand to know more history, conformation, illness, lameness, uterus checks, previous foaling data, frame size on the recipient mares than most people know about the mare they are riding ... you are not going to get to bring your crippled mare as your recip mare and have the ET fail unless you are willing to spend the money on 3-4 tries and pay up front!! Sitting on the sidelines watching buyer complaints I see where buyers over estimate their riding and horsemanship abilities and buy more horse than they can handle and blame the seller. In your case .. I would be happy an experienced horseman has apparently fixed some mental or bad habits and got the horse back to actively running per the training the horse has received ... I respect your decision to sell a horse you considered to be dangerous .... I too have sold horses with full disclosure to better horsemen than I am and I have been happy to see the horse settle down and become someone's horse of a lifetime!! I have been humbled and kidded a couple of times if I had anymore rank horses to sell .... one was a 2yo race track colt I started at my barn that I could not get to settle down from pacing and being in the air in his stall and being high on the muscle at all times ... I sold him to a good friend that is an on the track trainer .... he moved him around his barn and ended up putting him in an end stall where he could stick his head out his stall gate and watch the horses on the walkers and the activity that is normal around a large race track barn .... his barn name was changed from KILLER ... to BABY ... lol Another one was a really super nice bred and great looking filly that turned into a monster within a couple of weeks after separating her from her pasture buddies. I started bitting her up after ground training and the world just turned upside down. I checked teeth, sedated her, chiro's, acupuncture, vetted by multiple vets till my wits end. ... She had turned into a panic stricken high flying trapeze artist if you unlocked her stall gate to come into the stall. A near destitute trainer watched her several times and said he would take her to his barn for a 60-40 split on winnings and I would pay for her farrier work. I agreed ... about a month later one of his exerciser riders .. a guy about 5 ft tall dropped by my barn and said I owed him 10% of her winnings since she was already approved and headed for her first race next week... I thought he was nuts and was very sarcastic but joyful to agree to his 10% override ..... He said he dropped his bat in the alleyway while prepping to swing a leg up on the filly and leaned over to pick it up ... and noticed a glint of metal as she barred her teeth .... they sedated her and found a used paperclip wedged way up in her front gum and lip line .... very similar to ones you find in your dry cleaning or when tearing two sheets of paper apart that have been stapled together ... this was years ago and Freddie still hits me up for his 10% ... so I slip him a 10 to go buy him a 6 pack ... lol Are you sure you sold your mare as a recipient mare??

hoofs_in_motion - 2016-03-08 8:32 AM  This response really bugs me, as with everything you post. What happens if this said "experienced horseman" sells this horse who claims there are no bad habits.....to a child. And what if said horse severly injures this child because of a dishonest claim from this "experienced horseman" Lawsuit waiting to happen and I appalud the OP for putting it out there.

jojammer - 2016-03-08 11:29 AM Yes, this person could've "rehabbed" this horse and it may work for someone, OR, they could've just doped her up and rode her. I'll share some stories. First, I went to try a horse that a 12 year old girl had been running and placing at super shows. I figured if a kid could ride him, he must be safe. I get on this finished horse, and he wouldn't really look at he barrels when I trotted him through. He was just like riding a colt who had never seen the pattern. I had to guide him every step and he would hang his head in my hands. I rode him about 10 minutes or so and stopped to say something to the owner who was sitting on the fence and this horse just wheels and runs off, runs all over the pen, through people, I could not stop this horse. He stopped at the fence by some tied horses and felt like he wanted to blow up but I turned him around and rode over to the guy, and asked him what just happened. About that time, the sob did it again. When I got him stopped that time, I got off and handed that sucker to him. His reply? "Well, he's already mad, so there's no point in messing with him any more". Uh, MAD? The HORSE is mad??!! That's something I might have liked to know before I drove hours to get on him. I wanted to ring this guy's neck, and he's very very well known in the barrel horse industry. Next, I tried a horse with a record who had been ridden and trained by an NFR qualifier. I got on him that day and he felt EXACTLY like the other horse I tried, very heavy and dull. So, I ask the people if he had any ace or anything in him at all. All of them shake their heads, Nooooo. So I worked him through and he felt pretty nice and I wanted to vet check. So we all head to the vet, where he failed flexion test. After xrays looked kinda ok, I secretly asked the vet for a drug test. I was wondering about pain meds or something. I was about to spend a lot of money on a horse that needed some maintenance. Well, he failed for 2 different sedatives. One was a 30 day med and one was a pre race. After this horse failed his drug test, I'm convinced the first horse I tried was doped too. My point is, I don't care how pricey, how nice, how great a record. Trust no one. You may be buying a cripple or a crazy, and with 30 day sedatives out there, you might not know what you bought until it's too late. So to the OP, I think you're right to give a heads up on a horse you know is dangerous.

jojammer - 2016-03-08 1:29 PM

Yes, this person could've "rehabbed" this horse and it may work for someone, OR, they could've just doped her up and rode her. I'll share some stories.

First, I went to try a horse that a 12 year old girl had been running and placing at super shows. I figured if a kid could ride him, he must be safe. I get on this finished horse, and he wouldn't really look at he barrels when I trotted him through. He was just like riding a colt who had never seen the pattern. I had to guide him every step and he would hang his head in my hands. I rode him about 10 minutes or so and stopped to say something to the owner who was sitting on the fence and this horse just wheels and runs off, runs all over the pen, through people, I could not stop this horse. He stopped at the fence by some tied horses and felt like he wanted to blow up but I turned him around and rode over to the guy, and asked him what just happened. About that time, the sob did it again. When I got him stopped that time, I got off and handed that sucker to him. His reply? "Well, he's already mad, so there's no point in messing with him any more". Uh, MAD? The HORSE is mad??!! That's something I might have liked to know before I drove hours to get on him. I wanted to ring this guy's neck, and he's very very well known in the barrel horse industry.

Next, I tried a horse with a record who had been ridden and trained by an NFR qualifier. I got on him that day and he felt EXACTLY like the other horse I tried, very heavy and dull. So, I ask the people if he had any ace or anything in him at all. All of them shake their heads, Nooooo. So I worked him through and he felt pretty nice and I wanted to vet check. So we all head to the vet, where he failed flexion test. After xrays looked kinda ok, I secretly asked the vet for a drug test. I was wondering about pain meds or something. I was about to spend a lot of money on a horse that needed some maintenance. Well, he failed for 2 different sedatives. One was a 30 day med and one was a pre race. After this horse failed his drug test, I'm convinced the first horse I tried was doped too.

My point is, I don't care how pricey, how nice, how great a record. Trust no one. You may be buying a cripple or a crazy, and with 30 day sedatives out there, you might not know what you bought until it's too late. So to the OP, I think you're right to give a heads up on a horse you know is dangerous.