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| Just curious. Trump's steam seems to be dying. Did Mitt Romeny change the game or did Trump bring enough attention to the election that more and more people took interest enough to learn more about all the candidates?
Trump needs Michigan, but they are all but promising a brokered convention.
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | nope he only made my convictions stronger. his words did more to reinforce the stance i have had that the RC is so corrupt so deep that they will try to take out the front runner of their party by any means possible. | |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Mitt changed my mind about Mitt, what a worthless, two-faced suck up. | |
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| luluwhit - 2016-03-08 10:18 AM
nope he only made my convictions stronger. his words did more to reinforce the stance i have had that the RC is so corrupt so deep that they will try to take out the front runner of their party by any means possible.
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Location: Midwest | I already didn't care for him. I didn't bother to listen to mitt because it was not going to change my opinion of him. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | I find it somewhat disingenuous (and a tad bit hypocritical) that most here didn’t think the RNC was so corrupt when they selected Romney as your favorite candidate…….my how the tide turns…LOL | |
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| RidenFly - 2016-03-08 10:01 AM
Just curious. Trump's steam seems to be dying. Did Mitt Romeny change the game or did Trump bring enough attention to the election that more and more people took interest enough to learn more about all the candidates?
Trump needs Michigan, but they are all but promising a brokered convention.
There is no such thing as a "Brokered Convention" As per the RNCs rules if no one gets 1237 votes on the first ballet than the delegates are free to vote for who ever they want. I have said several times on here that I don't think Trump will get 1237 on the first ballet. It has never been about who gets the most votes going into the convention it is who can get 50%+1 or 1237 first. Trump has never broke the 40% mark on a average you need 50% to win. I don't think Romney has changed anything other than lend voice to the 60% of the voter's who don't like Trump. Right now it looks like Cruz is going to give him a run for the money. I think that Cruz and Trump are going to go to the convention just a few hundred votes apart neither with enough to win on to first ballet. So than it will up to who can get the delegates that are committed to Rubio,Kasach,Carrson, and Bush and who can get them to change their votes. I think people put way to much on the winner take all states there are a lot of ways to get delegates as Cruz is proving. | |
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Location: North Texas | To answer your question outright.
I did not particular care for Romney in 2012. I now despise that weasel!
His actions revealed just sorry and elitist the Establishment Faction of The RNC is! | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I thought Mitt Romney had more personal integrity than that. My bad. I'm not a trump fan and don't see myself becoming one, but will vote for him if he's the candidate in opposition to Hill-Bern. We could definitely do worse. | |
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Location: Northwest Florida | Not at all. It bothered me, knowing I have previously voted for Romney for President... But given who my other option was I'd suppose I'd still do it again. Definitely lost respect for him though.
I've also lost so much respect for Repulican party leaders in general. Trying to stop Trump due to their own agendas and not listening to the majority. The people are speaking up and they are trying to shut it down. | |
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| NJJ - 2016-03-08 11:48 AM
I find it somewhat disingenuous (and a tad bit hypocritical) that most here didn’t think the RNC was so corrupt when they selected Romney as your favorite candidate…….my how the tide turns…LOL
That's political bias and politicians playing the masses like fiddles for you. Happens on both sides (well, they have us believing that there are only two sides, anyway). Tale as old as time.... | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Also, I think that if it comes down to a second ballot because nobody secured the majority of delegates, then the only candidates eligible to be on that ballot would have to have secured the majority (>50%) of the delegates in at least 8 states. At this point, Trump has in 6 of the 12 states he's won so far, and Cruz has in 2.
To add more uncertainty, from what I've just read, the RNC can change the rules at any time, technically.
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Location: The edge of no where | Barnmom - 2016-03-08 10:25 AM Mitt changed my mind about Mitt, what a worthless, two-faced suck up.
Exactly! I haven't been much of a Trump fan and had previously voted for Mitt.....This just made Mitt look really bad. | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Mitt changed my mind about Mitt. I actually use to kind of like the man, but I'm saddened that the GOP feels its agenda is more important than the people's feelings on any once subject and Mitt in my opinion once it wasn't about him flip flopped like a fish out of water. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | For those who did not REALLY hear or read what he said.......
On the other hand, if we make improvident choices, the bright horizon I’ve described will not materialize. And let me put it very plainly. If we Republicans choose Donald Trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe and prosperous future are greatly diminished.
Let me explain why I say that. First on the economy. If Donald Trump’s plans were ever implemented, the country would sink into prolonged recession. A few examples. His proposed 35 percent tariff-like penalties would instigate a trade war and that would raise prices for consumers, kill our export jobs and lead entrepreneurs and businesses of all stripes to flee America.
His tax plan in combination with his refusal to reform entitlements and honestly address spending would balloon the deficit and the national debt. So even though Donald Trump has offered very few specific economic plans, what little he has said is enough to know that he would be very bad for American workers and for American families.
But you say, wait, wait, wait, isn’t he a huge business success? Doesn’t he know what he’s talking about? No, he isn’t and no he doesn’t. Look, his bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who work for them. He inherited his business, he didn’t create it. And whatever happened to Trump Airlines? How about Trump University? And then there’s Trump Magazine and Trump Vodka and Trump Steaks and Trump Mortgage. A business genius he is not.
Now, not every policy that Donald Trump has floated is bad, of course. He wants to repeal and replace Obamacare. He wants to bring jobs home from China and Japan. But his prescriptions to do those things are flimsy at best. At the last debate, all he could remember about his health care plan was to remove insurance boundaries between states. Successfully bringing jobs home requires serious policy and reforms that make America the place businesses want to come, want to plant and want to grow. You can’t punish business into doing what you want.
Frankly, the only serious policy proposals that deal with a broad range of national challenges we confront today come from Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Kasich. One of these men should be our nominee.
Now, I know that some people want this race to be over. They look at history and say a trend like Mr. Trump’s isn’t going to be stopped. Perhaps. But the rules of political history have pretty much all been shredded during this campaign.
If the other candidates can find some common ground, I believe we can nominate a person who can win the general election and who will represent the values and policies of conservatism. Given the current delegate selection process, that means that I’d vote for Marco Rubio in Florida and for John Kasich in Ohio and for Ted Cruz or whichever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating Mr. Trump in a given state.
Now let me turn to national security and the safety of our homes and loved ones. Mr. Trump’s bombast is already alarming the allies and fueling the enmity of our enemies. Insulting all Muslims will keep many of them from fully engaging with us in the urgent fight against ISIS, and for what purpose? Muslim terrorists would only have to lie about their religion to enter the country.
And then what he said about on “60 Minutes”. Did you hear this? It was about Syria and ISIS, and it has to go down as the most ridiculous and dangerous idea of the entire campaign season. Let ISIS take out Assad, he said, and then we can pick up the remnants. Now, think about that. Let the most dangerous terror organization the world has ever known take over an entire country? This recklessness is recklessness in the extreme. Now, Donald Trump tells us that he is very, very smart.
Now, I’m far from the first to conclude that Donald Trump lacks the temperament to be president. After all, this is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter, who attributed a reporter’s questions to her menstrual cycle, who mocked a brilliant rival who happened to be a woman due to her appearance, who bragged about his marital affairs, and who laces his public speeches with vulgarity.
Donald Trump says he admires Vladimir Putin, at the same time he has called George W. Bush a liar. That is a twisted example of evil trumping good.
There is a dark irony in his boasts of his sexual exploits during the Vietnam War. While at the same time, John McCain, whom he has mocked, was imprisoned and tortured.
Dishonesty is Donald Trump’s hallmark. He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq. Wrong. He spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong. He saw no such thing. He imagined it. He’s not of the temperament of the kind of stable, thoughtful person we need as a leader. His imagination must not be married to real power. The president of the United States has long been the leader of the free world.
The president and, yes, even the nominees of the country’s great parties helped define America to billions of people around the world. All of them bear the responsibility of being an example for our children and our grandchildren.
Think of Donald Trump’s personal qualities. The bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics. You know, we have long referred to him as “The Donald.” He’s the only person in the entire country to whom we have added an article before his name, and it was not because he had attributes we admired.
Now, imagine your children and your grandchildren acting the way he does. Would you welcome that? Haven’t we seen before what happens when people in prominent positions fail the basic responsibility of honorable conduct? We have. And it always injures our families and our country every corner of the world.
Clinton compromised our national secrets. She dissembled to the families of the slain. And she jettisoned her most profound beliefs to gain presidential power. For the last three decades, the Clintons have lived at the intersection of money and politics, trading their political influence to enrich their personal finances.
They embody the term, “crony capitalism.” It disgusts the American people and causes them to lose faith in our political process. A person so untrustworthy and dishonest as Hillary Clinton must not become president.
Of course, a Trump nomination enables her victory. And the audio and video of the infamous Tapper-Trump exchange on the Ku Klux Klan will play 100,000 times on cable and who knows how many million times on social media. There are a number of people who claim that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake .
Let me say that again. There’s plenty of evidence that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake. Mr. Trump has changed his positions not just over the years, but over the course of the campaign. And on the Ku Klux Klan, daily for three days in a row.
We will only really know if he’s a real deal or a phony if he releases his tax returns and the tape of his interview with The New York Times. I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn’t give much, if anything, to the disabled and to our veterans. I predict that he told The New York Times that his immigration talk is just that — talk.
And I predict that despite his promise to do so, first made over a year ago, that he will never ever release his tax returns. Never — not the returns under audit; not even the returns that are no longer being audited. He has too much to hide. Nor will he authorize the release of the tapes that he made with The New York Times.
If I’m right, you’ll have all the proof you need to know that Donald Trump is indeed a phony. Attacking me as he surely will won’t prove him any less of a phony. It’s entirely in his hands to prove me wrong. All he has to do is release his back taxes like he promised he would and let us hear what he said behind closed doors to The New York Times.
You know, Ronald Reagan used to quote a Scottish philosopher, who predicted that democracies and civilizations wouldn’t last much longer than a couple hundred years. And John Adams wrote this, “Remember, democracy never lasts long; it soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” That’s John Adams.
I believe that America has proven these dire predictions wrong for two reasons. First, we’ve been blessed with great presidents, with giants among us. Men of character, integrity and selflessness have led our nation from the very beginning. None were perfect. Each surely made mistakes. But in every case, they acted out of the desire to do what was right for America and for the cause of freedom.
The second reason is because we’re blessed with a great people — people who at every critical moment of choosing have put the interests of the country above their own. These two things are related. Our presidents time and again have called on us to rise to the occasion. John F. Kennedy asked us to consider what we could do for our country. Lincoln drew upon the better angels of our nature to save the union.
I understand the anger Americans feel today. In the past, our presidents have channeled that anger and forged it into resolve, into endurance and high purpose, and into the will to defeat the enemies of freedom. Our anger was transformed into energy directed for good.
Mr. Trump is directing our anger for less than noble purposes. He creates scapegoats of Muslims and Mexican immigrants. He calls for the use of torture. He calls for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists. He cheers assaults on protesters. He applauds the prospect of twisting the Constitution to limit First Amendment freedom of the press.
This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.
Here’s what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University.
He’s playing the members of the American public for suckers. He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat.
His domestic policies would lead to recession. His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe. He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president and his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill.
I’m convinced America has greatness ahead. And this is a time for choosing. God bless us to choose a nominee who will make that vision a reality.
Thank you and God bless you all.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | All Mitt did re-affirm my feeling that this is absolutely the scariest presidential election of my old life. Gut feeling is that we are totally 100% screwed no matter how this election plays out.
Lets see --- on the dems side we have a crook and a socialist day dreamer with no clue about reality. For the GOP we have a tool and a slick dick lawyer either of which will belong to the Koch Bros and friends along with a loose cannon with hoof and mouth.
Yup I am scared as hell!! | |
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| I must be missing something with Ted Cruz. What has he done that you don't like? I agree this is a very important election so I want to make as educated a vote as possible. | |
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Location: Windoming | GLP - 2016-03-08 11:05 AM I must be missing something with Ted Cruz. What has he done that you don't like? I agree this is a very important election so I want to make as educated a vote as possible.
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Location: Kansas | SC Wrangler - 2016-03-08 11:56 AM All Mitt did re-affirm my feeling that this is absolutely the scariest presidential election of my old life. Gut feeling is that we are totally 100% screwed no matter how this election plays out.
Lets see --- on the dems side we have a crook and a socialist day dreamer with no clue about reality. For the GOP we have a tool and a slick dick lawyer either of which will belong to the Koch Bros and friends along with a loose cannon with hoof and mouth.
Yup I am scared as hell!!
Mitt is an idiot.
The Koch Bros. are good people who provide jobs for tens of thousands. You sound like Harry Reid. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2016-03-08 11:15 AM Also, I think that if it comes down to a second ballot because nobody secured the majority of delegates, then the only candidates eligible to be on that ballot would have to have secured the majority (>50%) of the delegates in at least 8 states. At this point, Trump has in 6 of the 12 states he's won so far, and Cruz has in 2. To add more uncertainty, from what I've just read, the RNC can change the rules at any time, technically. That's the rule for now.....but....... the week before the convention the delegates have multiple opportunities to change the rules and set another or no arbitrary number of states that a candidate must win......
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| NJJ - 2016-03-09 10:47 AM Bear - 2016-03-08 11:15 AM Also, I think that if it comes down to a second ballot because nobody secured the majority of delegates, then the only candidates eligible to be on that ballot would have to have secured the majority (>50%) of the delegates in at least 8 states. At this point, Trump has in 6 of the 12 states he's won so far, and Cruz has in 2. To add more uncertainty, from what I've just read, the RNC can change the rules at any time, technically. That's the rule for now.....but....... the week before the convention the delegates have multiple opportunities to change the rules and set another or no arbitrary number of states that a candidate must win......
Yes! This is what happened to Ron Paul. That is why I'm convinced Trump won't get the nom. I just see this whole ordeal being handed to Hillary. And because I love a good tin foil hat wearing conspiracy, I wonder if that's the plan anyway. | |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | foundation horse - 2016-03-08 11:01 AM To answer your question outright. I did not particular care for Romney in 2012. I now despise that weasel! His actions revealed just sorry and elitist the Establishment Faction of The RNC is!
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Frodo - 2016-03-08 12:35 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-03-08 11:56 AM All Mitt did re-affirm my feeling that this is absolutely the scariest presidential election of my old life. Gut feeling is that we are totally 100% screwed no matter how this election plays out.
Lets see --- on the dems side we have a crook and a socialist day dreamer with no clue about reality. For the GOP we have a tool and a slick dick lawyer either of which will belong to the Koch Bros and friends along with a loose cannon with hoof and mouth.
Yup I am scared as hell!! Mitt is an idiot.
The Koch Bros. are good people who provide jobs for tens of thousands. You sound like Harry Reid.
I will never feel that our government being owned by big money is in my own best interest or the best interest of the majority of voters. Even if the big money comes from "good people".
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | No matter what happens, the GOP establishment won't be happy.
They hate Cruz, and they hate Trump. They have to pick their poison. | |
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Location: North Texas | Bear - 2016-03-08 1:30 PM
No matter what happens, the GOP establishment won't be happy.
They hate Cruz, and they hate Trump. They have to pick their poison.
And therein lies the rub! The Establishment Faction of The RNC which includes its so-called Leaders are beside themselves that their 'Anointed Ones' i.e. Bush and Rubio are not palatable to The American Voting Public.
For this I am truly grateful!
I am sick and tired of Some Elite Politician thinking They know what is best for me!
The Founding Fathers structure America's Government around this idea:
A Government OF The People, FOR The People, BY The People. Not ruled by a Family or Dynasty!
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| SC Wrangler - 2016-03-08 1:24 PM
Frodo - 2016-03-08 12:35 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-03-08 11:56 AM All Mitt did re-affirm my feeling that this is absolutely the scariest presidential election of my old life. Gut feeling is that we are totally 100% screwed no matter how this election plays out.
Lets see --- on the dems side we have a crook and a socialist day dreamer with no clue about reality. For the GOP we have a tool and a slick dick lawyer either of which will belong to the Koch Bros and friends along with a loose cannon with hoof and mouth.
Yup I am scared as hell!! Mitt is an idiot.
The Koch Bros. are good people who provide jobs for tens of thousands. You sound like Harry Reid.
I will never feel that our government being owned by big money is in my own best interest or the best interest of the majority of voters. Even if the big money comes from "good people".
I have to agree that big money controls our government and the economy -not a good thing. | |
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| Bear - 2016-03-08 11:15 AM
Also, I think that if it comes down to a second ballot because nobody secured the majority of delegates, then the only candidates eligible to be on that ballot would have to have secured the majority (>50%) of the delegates in at least 8 states. At this point, Trump has in 6 of the 12 states he's won so far, and Cruz has in 2.
To add more uncertainty, from what I've just read, the RNC can change the rules at any time, technically.
True but the race is still early I think both Trump and Cruz will both get enough to go on after the first ballet I don't see anyone else with enough. The RNC does have a meeting in April they could change the rules than if they want to. However if they did do that than all bets are off and you can kiss the RNC good by for ever. (maybe not a bad thing LOL) To me just let it run it's course at the convention. If the Trumpster is so good at negotiation lets see what he's got at the convention. | |
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Location: North Texas | jbhoot - 2016-03-08 2:07 PM
Bear - 2016-03-08 11:15 AM
Also, I think that if it comes down to a second ballot because nobody secured the majority of delegates, then the only candidates eligible to be on that ballot would have to have secured the majority (>50%) of the delegates in at least 8 states. At this point, Trump has in 6 of the 12 states he's won so far, and Cruz has in 2.
To add more uncertainty, from what I've just read, the RNC can change the rules at any time, technically.
True but the race is still early I think both Trump and Cruz will both get enough to go on after the first ballet I don't see anyone else with enough. The RNC does have a meeting in April they could change the rules than if they want to. However if they did do that than all bets are off and you can kiss the RNC good by for ever. (maybe not a bad thing LOL ) To me just let it run it's course at the convention. If the Trumpster is so good at negotiation lets see what he's got at the convention.
I agree about the RNC kissing their azz goodbye in the event they change the rules. However, on the flip the side, should that happen, it would clearly reveal just frightened they are at the prospect of a Trump Administration. Also, this action would pull the curtain back, so to speak, to expose their utter disregard for the voter's wishes and corruption and cronyism in their leadership or lack thereof. | |
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Location: Missouri | Three 4 Luck - 2016-03-08 11:04 AM
I thought Mitt Romney had more personal integrity than that. My bad. I'm not a trump fan and don't see myself becoming one, but will vote for him if he's the candidate in opposition to Hill-Bern. We could definitely do worse.
Yep, this. I found it rather 'interesting' to say the least that Mitt wanted Trump's support in 2012 and now had all that to say...
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Location: Pittsburg, Texas | I'm sorry to say that I did vote for Mitt in the last election because anyone would be better that the two Dems running at the time. I am very disappointed in Mitt and thought he had more integrity than what he has recently shown. What he is doing is very underhanded and he is under the hands of the RNC. The RNC will do anything to keep Trump or Cruz from having the nomination and they will do it at any cost. The man that was the head of the Department of Education under Reagon wrote an article (it's on FB) and he said Trump would be killed before he would ever be President. The RNC is behind that as well as probably the Clintons. History has shown that if you go against the Clintons you disappear or end up dead. I will vote for whoever (Trump or Cruz) gets the nomination. I am also disappointed in Cruz for some of the underhanded things he has done. He worries me in that he is supported by lobbiest and special interest and he will owe them. I fully support Trump and #1 he is self funded and can't be bought. I feel he is our only hope. Bernie or Hillary will finish destroying our "America" as we have known it. Both Dems are giving everything free, give me a break. Anyone with common sense knows that eventually the government will run out of everyone elses money. Last year I visited Greece, so beautifl. People were great but so poor and they had nothing. Two weeks after we returned from Greece they went under financially. They are a socialist country....................people wake up and help take out country back....."We The People" not "We The Government". God Bless America!!!!!!   | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Barnmom - 2016-03-08 10:25 AM Mitt changed my mind about Mitt, what a worthless, two-faced suck up.
I feel the same way. I thought he had class but he sure dove in head first dumpster diving with the rest of the worthless POS politicians. | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I'm to the point I think the GOP would as soon Clinton or Feel the Bern won if Trump gets the nomination just to be able to say "I told you so..." Pretty dang sad. They are so busy tearing their own party apart, and its going to back fire on us I'm afraid. I'm not a Trump fan per say, but I think Cruz is, if not a flat out liar, he stretches the truth so dang far its pathetic and Rubio has proven himself to be no more than a 6th grade school boy calling for resignations when he hadn't as yet won a state. Kasich, well I think he is merely the least stinky apple in the cart. | |
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Location: Florida.. | Nope I didnt even watch it.. The gop and dems pull out anything to destroy someone that can blow the roof off the gop and corruption | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | RidenFly - 2016-03-08 12:51 PM
NJJ - 2016-03-09 10:47 AM Bear - 2016-03-08 11:15 AM Also, I think that if it comes down to a second ballot because nobody secured the majority of delegates, then the only candidates eligible to be on that ballot would have to have secured the majority (>50%) of the delegates in at least 8 states. At this point, Trump has in 6 of the 12 states he's won so far, and Cruz has in 2. To add more uncertainty, from what I've just read, the RNC can change the rules at any time, technically. That's the rule for now.....but....... the week before the convention the delegates have multiple opportunities to change the rules and set another or no arbitrary number of states that a candidate must win......
The tide is turning... People are waking up to the fact that she may be on her way to prison soon.... Sanders took Michigan... | |
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Location: Kansas | Sad to see Hispanics waving their own flag and protesting loudly at a Trump rally because of the wall he proposes to build and which I heartily approve of. When illegal invaders from other countries try to turn the tide of our elections they need to go back where they came from. Interesting also that we can't seem to afford weapons for our own SEALS but can afford to feed every vagrant that crosses our border. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Obviously Mitt's assault on Trump has had very little effect. Trump easily won 3 of 4 states last night. His robo calls fell on deaf ears or went straight to voice mail. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | Frodo - 2016-03-09 8:07 AM Sad to see Hispanics waving their own flag and protesting loudly at a Trump rally because of the wall he proposes to build and which I heartily approve of. When illegal invaders from other countries try to turn the tide of our elections they need to go back where they came from. Interesting also that we can't seem to afford weapons for our own SEALS but can afford to feed every vagrant that crosses our border.
Exactly!!! The fact that they are protesting against him, makes me like him more. They need to go back home. | |
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Location: Kansas | MS2011 - 2016-03-09 10:39 AM Frodo - 2016-03-09 8:07 AM Sad to see Hispanics waving their own flag and protesting loudly at a Trump rally because of the wall he proposes to build and which I heartily approve of. When illegal invaders from other countries try to turn the tide of our elections they need to go back where they came from. Interesting also that we can't seem to afford weapons for our own SEALS but can afford to feed every vagrant that crosses our border. Exactly!!! The fact that they are protesting against him, makes me like him more. They need to go back home.
...and focus on their own government, do their flag-waving in Mexico.
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Location: hillsboro mo. | Mitt's comments just made me feel sorry for him. I thought he was better than that. He made himself look like a fool.
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Location: Watertown, SD | iNJJ - 2016-03-08 11:33 AM For those who did not REALLY hear or read what he said.......
On the other hand, if we make improvident choices, the bright horizon I’ve described will not materialize. And let me put it very plainly. If we Republicans choose Donald Trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe and prosperous future are greatly diminished.
Let me explain why I say that. First on the economy. If Donald Trump’s plans were ever implemented, the country would sink into prolonged recession. A few examples. His proposed 35 percent tariff-like penalties would instigate a trade war and that would raise prices for consumers, kill our export jobs and lead entrepreneurs and businesses of all stripes to flee America.
His tax plan in combination with his refusal to reform entitlements and honestly address spending would balloon the deficit and the national debt. So even though Donald Trump has offered very few specific economic plans, what little he has said is enough to know that he would be very bad for American workers and for American families.
But you say, wait, wait, wait, isn’t he a huge business success? Doesn’t he know what he’s talking about? No, he isn’t and no he doesn’t. Look, his bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who work for them. He inherited his business, he didn’t create it. And whatever happened to Trump Airlines? How about Trump University? And then there’s Trump Magazine and Trump Vodka and Trump Steaks and Trump Mortgage. A business genius he is not.
Now, not every policy that Donald Trump has floated is bad, of course. He wants to repeal and replace Obamacare. He wants to bring jobs home from China and Japan. But his prescriptions to do those things are flimsy at best. At the last debate, all he could remember about his health care plan was to remove insurance boundaries between states. Successfully bringing jobs home requires serious policy and reforms that make America the place businesses want to come, want to plant and want to grow. You can’t punish business into doing what you want.
Frankly, the only serious policy proposals that deal with a broad range of national challenges we confront today come from Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Kasich. One of these men should be our nominee.
Now, I know that some people want this race to be over. They look at history and say a trend like Mr. Trump’s isn’t going to be stopped. Perhaps. But the rules of political history have pretty much all been shredded during this campaign.
If the other candidates can find some common ground, I believe we can nominate a person who can win the general election and who will represent the values and policies of conservatism. Given the current delegate selection process, that means that I’d vote for Marco Rubio in Florida and for John Kasich in Ohio and for Ted Cruz or whichever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating Mr. Trump in a given state.
Now let me turn to national security and the safety of our homes and loved ones. Mr. Trump’s bombast is already alarming the allies and fueling the enmity of our enemies. Insulting all Muslims will keep many of them from fully engaging with us in the urgent fight against ISIS, and for what purpose? Muslim terrorists would only have to lie about their religion to enter the country.
And then what he said about on “60 Minutes”. Did you hear this? It was about Syria and ISIS, and it has to go down as the most ridiculous and dangerous idea of the entire campaign season. Let ISIS take out Assad, he said, and then we can pick up the remnants. Now, think about that. Let the most dangerous terror organization the world has ever known take over an entire country? This recklessness is recklessness in the extreme. Now, Donald Trump tells us that he is very, very smart.
Now, I’m far from the first to conclude that Donald Trump lacks the temperament to be president. After all, this is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter, who attributed a reporter’s questions to her menstrual cycle, who mocked a brilliant rival who happened to be a woman due to her appearance, who bragged about his marital affairs, and who laces his public speeches with vulgarity.
Donald Trump says he admires Vladimir Putin, at the same time he has called George W. Bush a liar. That is a twisted example of evil trumping good.
There is a dark irony in his boasts of his sexual exploits during the Vietnam War. While at the same time, John McCain, whom he has mocked, was imprisoned and tortured.
Dishonesty is Donald Trump’s hallmark. He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq. Wrong. He spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong. He saw no such thing. He imagined it. He’s not of the temperament of the kind of stable, thoughtful person we need as a leader. His imagination must not be married to real power. The president of the United States has long been the leader of the free world.
The president and, yes, even the nominees of the country’s great parties helped define America to billions of people around the world. All of them bear the responsibility of being an example for our children and our grandchildren.
Think of Donald Trump’s personal qualities. The bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics. You know, we have long referred to him as “The Donald.” He’s the only person in the entire country to whom we have added an article before his name, and it was not because he had attributes we admired.
Now, imagine your children and your grandchildren acting the way he does. Would you welcome that? Haven’t we seen before what happens when people in prominent positions fail the basic responsibility of honorable conduct? We have. And it always injures our families and our country every corner of the world.
Clinton compromised our national secrets. She dissembled to the families of the slain. And she jettisoned her most profound beliefs to gain presidential power. For the last three decades, the Clintons have lived at the intersection of money and politics, trading their political influence to enrich their personal finances.
They embody the term, “crony capitalism.” It disgusts the American people and causes them to lose faith in our political process. A person so untrustworthy and dishonest as Hillary Clinton must not become president.
Of course, a Trump nomination enables her victory. And the audio and video of the infamous Tapper-Trump exchange on the Ku Klux Klan will play 100,000 times on cable and who knows how many million times on social media. There are a number of people who claim that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake .
Let me say that again. There’s plenty of evidence that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake. Mr. Trump has changed his positions not just over the years, but over the course of the campaign. And on the Ku Klux Klan, daily for three days in a row.
We will only really know if he’s a real deal or a phony if he releases his tax returns and the tape of his interview with The New York Times. I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn’t give much, if anything, to the disabled and to our veterans. I predict that he told The New York Times that his immigration talk is just that — talk.
And I predict that despite his promise to do so, first made over a year ago, that he will never ever release his tax returns. Never — not the returns under audit; not even the returns that are no longer being audited. He has too much to hide. Nor will he authorize the release of the tapes that he made with The New York Times.
If I’m right, you’ll have all the proof you need to know that Donald Trump is indeed a phony. Attacking me as he surely will won’t prove him any less of a phony. It’s entirely in his hands to prove me wrong. All he has to do is release his back taxes like he promised he would and let us hear what he said behind closed doors to The New York Times.
You know, Ronald Reagan used to quote a Scottish philosopher, who predicted that democracies and civilizations wouldn’t last much longer than a couple hundred years. And John Adams wrote this, “Remember, democracy never lasts long; it soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” That’s John Adams.
I believe that America has proven these dire predictions wrong for two reasons. First, we’ve been blessed with great presidents, with giants among us. Men of character, integrity and selflessness have led our nation from the very beginning. None were perfect. Each surely made mistakes. But in every case, they acted out of the desire to do what was right for America and for the cause of freedom.
The second reason is because we’re blessed with a great people — people who at every critical moment of choosing have put the interests of the country above their own. These two things are related. Our presidents time and again have called on us to rise to the occasion. John F. Kennedy asked us to consider what we could do for our country. Lincoln drew upon the better angels of our nature to save the union.
I understand the anger Americans feel today. In the past, our presidents have channeled that anger and forged it into resolve, into endurance and high purpose, and into the will to defeat the enemies of freedom. Our anger was transformed into energy directed for good.
Mr. Trump is directing our anger for less than noble purposes. He creates scapegoats of Muslims and Mexican immigrants. He calls for the use of torture. He calls for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists. He cheers assaults on protesters. He applauds the prospect of twisting the Constitution to limit First Amendment freedom of the press.
This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.
Here’s what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University.
He’s playing the members of the American public for suckers. He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat.
His domestic policies would lead to recession. His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe. He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president and his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill.
I’m convinced America has greatness ahead. And this is a time for choosing. God bless us to choose a nominee who will make that vision a reality.
Thank you and God bless you all.
Judging by the lack of addressing any actual points Mitt touched on since NJJ posted this, I'm guessing that few actually invested the time to read and reflect upon Romney's words...words that, by the way, echo many of the reasons why I refuse to vote for Trump so I don't need to repeat what has already been presented and blown off. For months now, I have read many of the comments of Trump's supporters here and elsewhere and, if it were 2008, could replace the word "Trump" for "Obama" and the sentiments of each candidate's supporters are quite identical in that rational answers are not provided other than "I'm just mad" or "Anyone who doesn't like him is a insert childish sterotype here." Two sides of the same coin, with little to no substantial conversation that rises above emotion-based echo chambers. I was on BHW a lot back then...and I have a long memory. Trump is a trainwreck looking for a place to happen and the "Republican" voters are flipping the switch with their middle finger. That rarely ends well. It's a "be careful what you wish for" moment.
Signed,
A 55 year old life-long Republican who is so thoroughly embarrassed to be associated with any of this that I am now registered as "No Party Affiliation." | |
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Location: So. California | Mitt just made himself look like a puppet of the RNC. Cruz is as underhanded as any other politician (what has he accomplished? not much!), Rubio is desperate and has dug himself into a hole looking like a fool, he should just bow out. Trump is well, Trump - reality TV star and this time he doesn't have a script. The Dem candidates are scarier then heck, no no no. This is the most bizarre election cycle I've ever witnessed. There really isn't a candidate worth voting for IMO....
I'm completely disheartened that we have this circus that the world is talking about. I dont want to claim any of the **** monkeys. These are our worst choices ever. What a mess!!! | |
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Location: Pittsburg, Texas | To wave a Mexican flag in a US election rally!! Really, they don't respect our US but want everything we have and want it all FREE!! REALLY!! ICE needed to be there and take every one of the illegal sucker and dump them back across the border. I can't wait for that 100' wall.   | |
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Location: North Texas | srs - 2016-03-10 11:09 AM
iNJJ - 2016-03-08 11:33 AM For those who did not REALLY hear or read what he said.......
On the other hand, if we make improvident choices, the bright horizon I’ve described will not materialize. And let me put it very plainly. If we Republicans choose Donald Trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe and prosperous future are greatly diminished.
Let me explain why I say that. First on the economy. If Donald Trump’s plans were ever implemented, the country would sink into prolonged recession. A few examples. His proposed 35 percent tariff-like penalties would instigate a trade war and that would raise prices for consumers, kill our export jobs and lead entrepreneurs and businesses of all stripes to flee America.
His tax plan in combination with his refusal to reform entitlements and honestly address spending would balloon the deficit and the national debt. So even though Donald Trump has offered very few specific economic plans, what little he has said is enough to know that he would be very bad for American workers and for American families.
But you say, wait, wait, wait, isn’t he a huge business success? Doesn’t he know what he’s talking about? No, he isn’t and no he doesn’t. Look, his bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who work for them. He inherited his business, he didn’t create it. And whatever happened to Trump Airlines? How about Trump University? And then there’s Trump Magazine and Trump Vodka and Trump Steaks and Trump Mortgage. A business genius he is not.
Now, not every policy that Donald Trump has floated is bad, of course. He wants to repeal and replace Obamacare. He wants to bring jobs home from China and Japan. But his prescriptions to do those things are flimsy at best. At the last debate, all he could remember about his health care plan was to remove insurance boundaries between states. Successfully bringing jobs home requires serious policy and reforms that make America the place businesses want to come, want to plant and want to grow. You can’t punish business into doing what you want.
Frankly, the only serious policy proposals that deal with a broad range of national challenges we confront today come from Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Kasich. One of these men should be our nominee.
Now, I know that some people want this race to be over. They look at history and say a trend like Mr. Trump’s isn’t going to be stopped. Perhaps. But the rules of political history have pretty much all been shredded during this campaign.
If the other candidates can find some common ground, I believe we can nominate a person who can win the general election and who will represent the values and policies of conservatism. Given the current delegate selection process, that means that I’d vote for Marco Rubio in Florida and for John Kasich in Ohio and for Ted Cruz or whichever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating Mr. Trump in a given state.
Now let me turn to national security and the safety of our homes and loved ones. Mr. Trump’s bombast is already alarming the allies and fueling the enmity of our enemies. Insulting all Muslims will keep many of them from fully engaging with us in the urgent fight against ISIS, and for what purpose? Muslim terrorists would only have to lie about their religion to enter the country.
And then what he said about on “60 Minutes”. Did you hear this? It was about Syria and ISIS, and it has to go down as the most ridiculous and dangerous idea of the entire campaign season. Let ISIS take out Assad, he said, and then we can pick up the remnants. Now, think about that. Let the most dangerous terror organization the world has ever known take over an entire country? This recklessness is recklessness in the extreme. Now, Donald Trump tells us that he is very, very smart.
Now, I’m far from the first to conclude that Donald Trump lacks the temperament to be president. After all, this is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter, who attributed a reporter’s questions to her menstrual cycle, who mocked a brilliant rival who happened to be a woman due to her appearance, who bragged about his marital affairs, and who laces his public speeches with vulgarity.
Donald Trump says he admires Vladimir Putin, at the same time he has called George W. Bush a liar. That is a twisted example of evil trumping good.
There is a dark irony in his boasts of his sexual exploits during the Vietnam War. While at the same time, John McCain, whom he has mocked, was imprisoned and tortured.
Dishonesty is Donald Trump’s hallmark. He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq. Wrong. He spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong. He saw no such thing. He imagined it. He’s not of the temperament of the kind of stable, thoughtful person we need as a leader. His imagination must not be married to real power. The president of the United States has long been the leader of the free world.
The president and, yes, even the nominees of the country’s great parties helped define America to billions of people around the world. All of them bear the responsibility of being an example for our children and our grandchildren.
Think of Donald Trump’s personal qualities. The bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics. You know, we have long referred to him as “The Donald.” He’s the only person in the entire country to whom we have added an article before his name, and it was not because he had attributes we admired.
Now, imagine your children and your grandchildren acting the way he does. Would you welcome that? Haven’t we seen before what happens when people in prominent positions fail the basic responsibility of honorable conduct? We have. And it always injures our families and our country every corner of the world.
Clinton compromised our national secrets. She dissembled to the families of the slain. And she jettisoned her most profound beliefs to gain presidential power. For the last three decades, the Clintons have lived at the intersection of money and politics, trading their political influence to enrich their personal finances.
They embody the term, “crony capitalism.” It disgusts the American people and causes them to lose faith in our political process. A person so untrustworthy and dishonest as Hillary Clinton must not become president.
Of course, a Trump nomination enables her victory. And the audio and video of the infamous Tapper-Trump exchange on the Ku Klux Klan will play 100,000 times on cable and who knows how many million times on social media. There are a number of people who claim that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake .
Let me say that again. There’s plenty of evidence that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake. Mr. Trump has changed his positions not just over the years, but over the course of the campaign. And on the Ku Klux Klan, daily for three days in a row.
We will only really know if he’s a real deal or a phony if he releases his tax returns and the tape of his interview with The New York Times. I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn’t give much, if anything, to the disabled and to our veterans. I predict that he told The New York Times that his immigration talk is just that — talk.
And I predict that despite his promise to do so, first made over a year ago, that he will never ever release his tax returns. Never — not the returns under audit; not even the returns that are no longer being audited. He has too much to hide. Nor will he authorize the release of the tapes that he made with The New York Times.
If I’m right, you’ll have all the proof you need to know that Donald Trump is indeed a phony. Attacking me as he surely will won’t prove him any less of a phony. It’s entirely in his hands to prove me wrong. All he has to do is release his back taxes like he promised he would and let us hear what he said behind closed doors to The New York Times.
You know, Ronald Reagan used to quote a Scottish philosopher, who predicted that democracies and civilizations wouldn’t last much longer than a couple hundred years. And John Adams wrote this, “Remember, democracy never lasts long; it soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” That’s John Adams.
I believe that America has proven these dire predictions wrong for two reasons. First, we’ve been blessed with great presidents, with giants among us. Men of character, integrity and selflessness have led our nation from the very beginning. None were perfect. Each surely made mistakes. But in every case, they acted out of the desire to do what was right for America and for the cause of freedom.
The second reason is because we’re blessed with a great people — people who at every critical moment of choosing have put the interests of the country above their own. These two things are related. Our presidents time and again have called on us to rise to the occasion. John F. Kennedy asked us to consider what we could do for our country. Lincoln drew upon the better angels of our nature to save the union.
I understand the anger Americans feel today. In the past, our presidents have channeled that anger and forged it into resolve, into endurance and high purpose, and into the will to defeat the enemies of freedom. Our anger was transformed into energy directed for good.
Mr. Trump is directing our anger for less than noble purposes. He creates scapegoats of Muslims and Mexican immigrants. He calls for the use of torture. He calls for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists. He cheers assaults on protesters. He applauds the prospect of twisting the Constitution to limit First Amendment freedom of the press.
This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.
Here’s what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University.
He’s playing the members of the American public for suckers. He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat.
His domestic policies would lead to recession. His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe. He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president and his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill.
I’m convinced America has greatness ahead. And this is a time for choosing. God bless us to choose a nominee who will make that vision a reality.
Thank you and God bless you all.
Judging by the lack of addressing any actual points Mitt touched on since NJJ posted this, I'm guessing that few actually invested the time to read and reflect upon Romney's words...words that, by the way, echo many of the reasons why I refuse to vote for Trump so I don't need to repeat what has already been presented and blown off. For months now, I have read many of the comments of Trump's supporters here and elsewhere and, if it were 2008, could replace the word "Trump" for "Obama" and the sentiments of each candidate's supporters are quite identical in that rational answers are not provided other than "I'm just mad" or "Anyone who doesn't like him is a insert childish sterotype here." Two sides of the same coin, with little to no substantial conversation that rises above emotion-based echo chambers. I was on BHW a lot back then...and I have a long memory. Trump is a trainwreck looking for a place to happen and the "Republican" voters are flipping the switch with their middle finger. That rarely ends well. It's a "be careful what you wish for" moment.
Signed,
A 55 year old life-long Republican who is so thoroughly embarrassed to be associated with any of this that I am now registered as "No Party Affiliation."
Provided Mitt Romney is correct now...............Why did He not blast Obama in 2012 with this info? | |
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Posts: 1929
| foundation horse - 2016-03-10 3:22 PM
srs - 2016-03-10 11:09 AM
iNJJ - 2016-03-08 11:33 AM For those who did not REALLY hear or read what he said.......
On the other hand, if we make improvident choices, the bright horizon I’ve described will not materialize. And let me put it very plainly. If we Republicans choose Donald Trump as our nominee, the prospects for a safe and prosperous future are greatly diminished.
Let me explain why I say that. First on the economy. If Donald Trump’s plans were ever implemented, the country would sink into prolonged recession. A few examples. His proposed 35 percent tariff-like penalties would instigate a trade war and that would raise prices for consumers, kill our export jobs and lead entrepreneurs and businesses of all stripes to flee America.
His tax plan in combination with his refusal to reform entitlements and honestly address spending would balloon the deficit and the national debt. So even though Donald Trump has offered very few specific economic plans, what little he has said is enough to know that he would be very bad for American workers and for American families.
But you say, wait, wait, wait, isn’t he a huge business success? Doesn’t he know what he’s talking about? No, he isn’t and no he doesn’t. Look, his bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who work for them. He inherited his business, he didn’t create it. And whatever happened to Trump Airlines? How about Trump University? And then there’s Trump Magazine and Trump Vodka and Trump Steaks and Trump Mortgage. A business genius he is not.
Now, not every policy that Donald Trump has floated is bad, of course. He wants to repeal and replace Obamacare. He wants to bring jobs home from China and Japan. But his prescriptions to do those things are flimsy at best. At the last debate, all he could remember about his health care plan was to remove insurance boundaries between states. Successfully bringing jobs home requires serious policy and reforms that make America the place businesses want to come, want to plant and want to grow. You can’t punish business into doing what you want.
Frankly, the only serious policy proposals that deal with a broad range of national challenges we confront today come from Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Kasich. One of these men should be our nominee.
Now, I know that some people want this race to be over. They look at history and say a trend like Mr. Trump’s isn’t going to be stopped. Perhaps. But the rules of political history have pretty much all been shredded during this campaign.
If the other candidates can find some common ground, I believe we can nominate a person who can win the general election and who will represent the values and policies of conservatism. Given the current delegate selection process, that means that I’d vote for Marco Rubio in Florida and for John Kasich in Ohio and for Ted Cruz or whichever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating Mr. Trump in a given state.
Now let me turn to national security and the safety of our homes and loved ones. Mr. Trump’s bombast is already alarming the allies and fueling the enmity of our enemies. Insulting all Muslims will keep many of them from fully engaging with us in the urgent fight against ISIS, and for what purpose? Muslim terrorists would only have to lie about their religion to enter the country.
And then what he said about on “60 Minutes”. Did you hear this? It was about Syria and ISIS, and it has to go down as the most ridiculous and dangerous idea of the entire campaign season. Let ISIS take out Assad, he said, and then we can pick up the remnants. Now, think about that. Let the most dangerous terror organization the world has ever known take over an entire country? This recklessness is recklessness in the extreme. Now, Donald Trump tells us that he is very, very smart.
Now, I’m far from the first to conclude that Donald Trump lacks the temperament to be president. After all, this is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter, who attributed a reporter’s questions to her menstrual cycle, who mocked a brilliant rival who happened to be a woman due to her appearance, who bragged about his marital affairs, and who laces his public speeches with vulgarity.
Donald Trump says he admires Vladimir Putin, at the same time he has called George W. Bush a liar. That is a twisted example of evil trumping good.
There is a dark irony in his boasts of his sexual exploits during the Vietnam War. While at the same time, John McCain, whom he has mocked, was imprisoned and tortured.
Dishonesty is Donald Trump’s hallmark. He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq. Wrong. He spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong. He saw no such thing. He imagined it. He’s not of the temperament of the kind of stable, thoughtful person we need as a leader. His imagination must not be married to real power. The president of the United States has long been the leader of the free world.
The president and, yes, even the nominees of the country’s great parties helped define America to billions of people around the world. All of them bear the responsibility of being an example for our children and our grandchildren.
Think of Donald Trump’s personal qualities. The bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics. You know, we have long referred to him as “The Donald.” He’s the only person in the entire country to whom we have added an article before his name, and it was not because he had attributes we admired.
Now, imagine your children and your grandchildren acting the way he does. Would you welcome that? Haven’t we seen before what happens when people in prominent positions fail the basic responsibility of honorable conduct? We have. And it always injures our families and our country every corner of the world.
Clinton compromised our national secrets. She dissembled to the families of the slain. And she jettisoned her most profound beliefs to gain presidential power. For the last three decades, the Clintons have lived at the intersection of money and politics, trading their political influence to enrich their personal finances.
They embody the term, “crony capitalism.” It disgusts the American people and causes them to lose faith in our political process. A person so untrustworthy and dishonest as Hillary Clinton must not become president.
Of course, a Trump nomination enables her victory. And the audio and video of the infamous Tapper-Trump exchange on the Ku Klux Klan will play 100,000 times on cable and who knows how many million times on social media. There are a number of people who claim that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake .
Let me say that again. There’s plenty of evidence that Mr. Trump is a con man, a fake. Mr. Trump has changed his positions not just over the years, but over the course of the campaign. And on the Ku Klux Klan, daily for three days in a row.
We will only really know if he’s a real deal or a phony if he releases his tax returns and the tape of his interview with The New York Times. I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn’t give much, if anything, to the disabled and to our veterans. I predict that he told The New York Times that his immigration talk is just that — talk.
And I predict that despite his promise to do so, first made over a year ago, that he will never ever release his tax returns. Never — not the returns under audit; not even the returns that are no longer being audited. He has too much to hide. Nor will he authorize the release of the tapes that he made with The New York Times.
If I’m right, you’ll have all the proof you need to know that Donald Trump is indeed a phony. Attacking me as he surely will won’t prove him any less of a phony. It’s entirely in his hands to prove me wrong. All he has to do is release his back taxes like he promised he would and let us hear what he said behind closed doors to The New York Times.
You know, Ronald Reagan used to quote a Scottish philosopher, who predicted that democracies and civilizations wouldn’t last much longer than a couple hundred years. And John Adams wrote this, “Remember, democracy never lasts long; it soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” That’s John Adams.
I believe that America has proven these dire predictions wrong for two reasons. First, we’ve been blessed with great presidents, with giants among us. Men of character, integrity and selflessness have led our nation from the very beginning. None were perfect. Each surely made mistakes. But in every case, they acted out of the desire to do what was right for America and for the cause of freedom.
The second reason is because we’re blessed with a great people — people who at every critical moment of choosing have put the interests of the country above their own. These two things are related. Our presidents time and again have called on us to rise to the occasion. John F. Kennedy asked us to consider what we could do for our country. Lincoln drew upon the better angels of our nature to save the union.
I understand the anger Americans feel today. In the past, our presidents have channeled that anger and forged it into resolve, into endurance and high purpose, and into the will to defeat the enemies of freedom. Our anger was transformed into energy directed for good.
Mr. Trump is directing our anger for less than noble purposes. He creates scapegoats of Muslims and Mexican immigrants. He calls for the use of torture. He calls for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists. He cheers assaults on protesters. He applauds the prospect of twisting the Constitution to limit First Amendment freedom of the press.
This is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss.
Here’s what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University.
He’s playing the members of the American public for suckers. He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat.
His domestic policies would lead to recession. His foreign policies would make America and the world less safe. He has neither the temperament nor the judgment to be president and his personal qualities would mean that America would cease to be a shining city on a hill.
I’m convinced America has greatness ahead. And this is a time for choosing. God bless us to choose a nominee who will make that vision a reality.
Thank you and God bless you all.
Judging by the lack of addressing any actual points Mitt touched on since NJJ posted this, I'm guessing that few actually invested the time to read and reflect upon Romney's words...words that, by the way, echo many of the reasons why I refuse to vote for Trump so I don't need to repeat what has already been presented and blown off. For months now, I have read many of the comments of Trump's supporters here and elsewhere and, if it were 2008, could replace the word "Trump" for "Obama" and the sentiments of each candidate's supporters are quite identical in that rational answers are not provided other than "I'm just mad" or "Anyone who doesn't like him is a insert childish sterotype here." Two sides of the same coin, with little to no substantial conversation that rises above emotion-based echo chambers. I was on BHW a lot back then...and I have a long memory. Trump is a trainwreck looking for a place to happen and the "Republican" voters are flipping the switch with their middle finger. That rarely ends well. It's a "be careful what you wish for" moment.
Signed,
A 55 year old life-long Republican who is so thoroughly embarrassed to be associated with any of this that I am now registered as "No Party Affiliation."
Provided Mitt Romney is correct now...............Why did He not blast Obama in 2012 with this info?
FH I agree with you on most things but what the heck does what he did in 2012 and Obama have to do with what he thinks of Trump? | |
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Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | JBHoot,
Because Romney did not the balls to go after Obama in 2012, but now suddenly has the balls to go after Trump. Remember Obama was the competition then, and Trump is not competing against Romney now (or is he?) | |
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Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Also in 2012, Trump's support was coveted by Romney. But now Romney is stabbing Trump? Come on man! | |
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Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | And finally, I do not support Trump per se, but what Romney has done is unethical to say the least.............................(I voted for Cruz in The Texas Primary.) | |
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Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| foundation horse - 2016-03-10 3:59 PM
JBHoot,
Because Romney did not the balls to go after Obama in 2012, but now suddenly has the balls to go after Trump. Remember Obama was the competition then, and Trump is not competing against Romney now (or is he?)
As I stated before all Romney has done is lend voice to the 60% of the Republican voters who are not backing Trump. What Romney did or didn't do in 2012 has zero to do with 2016 and Trump. | |
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Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| foundation horse - 2016-03-10 4:04 PM
And finally, I do not support Trump per se, but what Romney has done is unethical to say the least.............................(I voted for Cruz in The Texas Primary.)
I can't agree with the unethical BUT thanks for voting for Cruz!!!! | |
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BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25352
Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think what we are seeing, across the political spectrum, is a peaceful revolt. While we are arguably more divided than any time since the Civil War in just about every category imaginable, one category in which there does seem to be a growing unity is the overall direction of this country. For a number of years now, less than 1/3rd of our citizens feel we are headed in the right direction, whereas 2/3rds feel we are on the wrong track.
I've come to the awareness that I'm no longer a Republican over the past few years. That's not because I am any less conservative. It's because the GOP has failed to deliver on their campaign promises to stand for conservatism and conservative principles. In 2012 my favored candidates went from Cain to Newt, and finally Romney. Once I really looked at him closely and learned more about him, I developed the opinion that he was the most exciting, most qualified candidate we've had since Reagan. He seemed to have it all, and he had the right combination of success and experience in the private sector and as governor. In spite of that, Mitt could not overcome the Obama juggernaut and he failed to coalesce and energize the conservative base, to the extent that 3-4 million conservatives didn't even bother to get out and vote. Where Mitt failed and let us down was in the debate when he had Obama on the ropes over Benghazi, and he let Candy Crowley protect Obama when he could have developed the knockout punch. Many would say Mitt was too nice or too gentlemanly to actually fight. Until last summer, I still held out hope that Mitt would make another run. He hinted at it a time or two, but finally definitely declared that he was not going to run, stating he felt there was an exciting new group of candidates out there he would rather support. I even belonged to the FB group "Mitt Romney 2016" until a couple months ago. This year, up until a couple weeks ago, I really didn't support one particular candidate. They all had pluses and minuses.....Carson, Fiorina, Cruz, Rubio, and Trump. For all the reasons Trump supporters cite, I finally decided to cast my vote for him just before the Texas primary. Trump resonates with a lot of voters who feel disenfranchised by the GOP, specifically the GOP "good old boys club", or establishment. In 2010, the Republican Party picked up 6 senate seats and over 30 house seats. In 2012 Mitt was soundly defeated, and in 2014 the Republicans picked up even more senate and house seats, capturing control by a sound majority in both houses. In spite of that, and in the face of enormous failures in ObamaCare, the economy, and immigration, congress failed miserably to get much of anything done. This is what gave us the so-called Trump Insurgency. His big messages have been resonating with a lot of voters who are fed up and angry. People who see us circling the drain while the world is on fire see Trump as the man who can get the job done. They agree that we have stupid leaders and that's why we don't win anymore.
To be honest, if Cruz wins the nomination, I won't be terribly disappointed, because both Trump and Cruz candidacies send a clear message. I've heard the age-old cliche' "Be careful what you wish for" many times in politics. I'm not so sure that will resonate well, given today's political climate. The GOP is a mess, but not because of Trump. That mess has been in the making for over 20 years.
Finally, one last comment about Trump's ability to negotiate and lead, take a look at this video where he testified before congress on the recession, 25 years ago. Pay attention to the respect and praise he garnered from both Democrats and Republicans during that 1 hour testimony. That was 25 years ago. He was taken seriously back then, and I think he just might be even better, as a result of 25 more years of experience:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw
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Did Mitt Romney change your mind?