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Location: Ft Worth TX | Since when does $2500FIRM mean HEY LETS NEGOTIATE!!??? Since when is it the sellers responsibility to come off the price so the buyer can afford fuel to get it? Why does no one read the ads?
Was anyone else raised when you make a cash offer you are ready to hand over cash once offer is accepted not 2 weeks later...
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | This will sound harsh, but it's really not intended to.
But if you sell cheap horses expect to deal with cheap people.
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Location: Ft Worth TX | 1DSoon - 2016-03-08 5:44 PM
This will sound harsh, but it's really not intended to.
But if you sell cheap horses expect to deal with cheap people.
$2500 was a sample number not an realistic one... | |
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| It is just stupid to price a horse at your bottom dollar. You always put extra on it BECAUSE people will ALWAYS haggle. Price that $2,500 horse at $3,500, then when they offer $2,500 you got your money, and they think they got a deal. | |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | GLP - 2016-03-08 5:32 PM
I don't think it's stupid to set the price and put firm right after.
I don't think its stupid either.
Working in retail it amazes me what people try to haggle prices on. Especially working at the feed store. Everyone treats us like we are a car dealership and that we should be able to lower the price on everything. | |
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Location: East Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-03-08 6:44 PM
This will sound harsh, but it's really not intended to.
But if you sell cheap horses expect to deal with cheap people.
What are cheap people? | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | livexlovexrodeo - 2016-03-08 9:24 PM
GLP - 2016-03-08 5:32 PM
I don't think it's stupid to set the price and put firm right after.
I don't think its stupid either.
Working in retail it amazes me what people try to haggle prices on. Especially working at the feed store. Everyone treats us like we are a car dealership and that we should be able to lower the price on everything.
Same here, I don't think it's stupid at all.
As far as the OP's vent... sounds just like normal horse selling' to me. | |
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Location: Louisiana | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-08 7:01 PM It is just stupid to price a horse at your bottom dollar. You always put extra on it BECAUSE people will ALWAYS haggle. Price that $2,500 horse at $3,500, then when they offer $2,500 you got your money, and they think they got a deal.
Not if you're my husband lol. When he prices one, it isn't because he NEEDS to sell him. So he throws out the number he needs. People know he is no-nonsense and they either pay or move on lol.
But, when he shops, he finds what he wants and if it isn't priced right he keeps looking. He hates to haggle!
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Location: Montana | livexlovexrodeo - 2016-03-08 8:24 PM GLP - 2016-03-08 5:32 PM I don't think it's stupid to set the price and put firm right after. I don't think its stupid either. Working in retail it amazes me what people try to haggle prices on. Especially working at the feed store. Everyone treats us like we are a car dealership and that we should be able to lower the price on everything.
We own a car dealership and we put "real" prices on our cars, and people get mad when we can't haggle anywhere from $1000 to $3000 on the price of a vehicle. It would be nice if we could, but we are making a living too.
To the one that mentioned "cheap people," cheap people are the very worst to deal with. They are the ones that have a very minimal amount to spend, yet expect everything for that price. In the case of a car, they want a $10000 car for $2500. We see it and deal with it every day. There are people who are truly very nice and only can afford so much, it is the not nice ones that buy the cheap thing, then they break something on it and expect you to fix. Recently from our lot it was a woman who purchased a $1500 car. Car still runs and drives great, does everything as it should. The woman, on the other hand, less than a week after purchasing it broke out the driver's side window and admits to it and wants us to pay for the repair. That is what "cheap people" are.
I'm a terrible haggler. If someone doesn't say firm, or says OBO, I feel its free game to haggle a little bit, but within reason. I guess I'm just adding to the vent too, and I understand what the OP is talking about. Retail can be great, but it can kind of suck some days. | |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-08 7:01 PM
It is just stupid to price a horse at your bottom dollar. You always put extra on it BECAUSE people will ALWAYS haggle. Price that $2,500 horse at $3,500, then when they offer $2,500 you got your money, and they think they got a deal.
This - it's like a car, I NEVER expect to pay the sticker but that's just me. | |
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| I had the opposite happen to me. I was trying a few horses at a brokers place, was not going to try one because of his history, ended up trying him anyway and loved him. I asked several questions the next day and the broker went up on the price a few thousand when I showed interest in him. | |
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| Sounds like horse selling to me.
Whether or not you're willing to negotiate depends entirely on how badly you want to sell the horse, that's it. Everything in our barn has a price tag, the price and negotiability of it depends entirely on how badly we want to sell the horse at that point in time, some we won't budge a dime on, some we are pretty open to negotiating on but we won't give them away.
I don't like dealing with whiney buyers who think as a seller we should bend over backwards for them, but I don't mind being asked if I'll negotiate, worst I can say is no. | |
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| 1DSoon - 2016-03-08 6:44 PM
This will sound harsh, but it's really not intended to.
But if you sell cheap horses expect to deal with cheap people.
Agree with this 100%. Also, I know 2500 was just an example, but in my opinion, if someone can't pay 2500 for a horse then they wont be able to afford vet and normal care for the horse if it gets hurt. You never know when you're going to get a 4000 vet bill!! (if you don't have insurance of course)
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Location: Desert Land | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-08 5:01 PM It is just stupid to price a horse at your bottom dollar. You always put extra on it BECAUSE people will ALWAYS haggle. Price that $2,500 horse at $3,500, then when they offer $2,500 you got your money, and they think they got a deal.
Some people don’t want to haggle and frankly…they don’t have to if they don’t want to. If someone wants to low-ball anyway, the seller has the discretion of not selling the horse to the jackass. If someone advertises their horse as $XX,XXX FIRM then the buyer should be able to use their common sense and realize that the seller is not willing to negotiate or else they would not have made a point to say their price was firm. | |
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | GLP - 2016-03-08 7:32 PM I don't think it's stupid to set the price and put firm right after.
I agree. Certainly saves all in speculation and bargaining. There's nothing wrong with stating a firm, no haggle price and expecting it to be accepted (or not). | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rodeomom3 - 2016-03-09 6:27 AM I had the opposite happen to me. I was trying a few horses at a brokers place, was not going to try one because of his history, ended up trying him anyway and loved him. I asked several questions the next day and the broker went up on the price a few thousand when I showed interest in him.
My favorite broker trick is "oh the horse in your budget got hurt between the time you left home and arrived, but I have these other 5 you can try priced 2-3x higher." Weeeeeeee!  | |
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Location: here | If price says firm and you cant afford it move on! | |
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| I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you!
With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great! | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great!
This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
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| TheOldGrayMare - 2016-03-09 7:21 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-08 5:01 PM It is just stupid to price a horse at your bottom dollar. You always put extra on it BECAUSE people will ALWAYS haggle. Price that $2,500 horse at $3,500, then when they offer $2,500 you got your money, and they think they got a deal.
Some people don’t want to haggle and frankly…they don’t have to if they don’t want to. If someone wants to low-ball anyway, the seller has the discretion of not selling the horse to the jackass. If someone advertises their horse as $XX,XXX FIRM then the buyer should be able to use their common sense and realize that the seller is not willing to negotiate or else they would not have made a point to say their price was firm.
This. I can't stand when people want to try to play games when the price says firm. Basically "firm" means either you want it or you don't. The person that says "now how low are you willing to go on this horse," is the person that gets hung up on and their calls not returned. Did I mention I'm NOT a horse broker? I just don't have the time or the stamina for the games and manure that come along with it. It's one thing if it says OBO, but a FIRM price to me means either I want the horse at the listed price (or expect to sell it at such price) or move on. | |
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Location: N Texas | Because people think it never hurts to ask. They assume that if you want to sell it bad enough, you'll take their offer. I sold a horse for my mom several years ago and had one person offer half the asking price because they would have to pay for transport and pay for training. Um no, that's in addition to the price of the horse, it's not my problem you live so far away and want to train him for something completely different than what he's been doing. Another lady actually came and tried him and I told her what my bottom dollar was because another lady had made an offer, but I'd have to deliver him, so I was trying to avoid that. She made an offer several hundred dollars less than the first, I guess she thought I was bluffing. I told her to forget it, that I would accept the first offer.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-03-09 9:56 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great!
This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
Haggle: dispute or bargain persistently <---- Key word "persistently"
That is not what I do. I'll state a price, if they move off their price than I know they will negotiate, if they don't than I don't waste their time with it.
I don't mind if people pop of a price to me on the first convo, but when I tell them "no" the price is what it will be, I don't mess with those that can't understand that concept and continue trying to get me to move off my price! | |
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| babbsywabbsy - 2016-03-09 7:40 AM
1DSoon - 2016-03-08 6:44 PM
This will sound harsh, but it's really not intended to.
But if you sell cheap horses expect to deal with cheap people.
Agree with this 100%. Also, I know 2500 was just an example, but in my opinion, if someone can't pay 2500 for a horse then they wont be able to afford vet and normal care for the horse if it gets hurt. You never know when you're going to get a 4000 vet bill!! (if you don't have insurance of course )
I've said this a billion times. Buying the horse is the cheap part, maintaining him is the expensive part.  | |
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Location: California | rodeomom3 - 2016-03-09 4:27 AM I had the opposite happen to me. I was trying a few horses at a brokers place, was not going to try one because of his history, ended up trying him anyway and loved him. I asked several questions the next day and the broker went up on the price a few thousand when I showed interest in him.
My fiance gave me this rule... Never show interest in the one you really like. Haha  | |
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| I had a few people do that with my 2 year old gelding I had for sale. They offered over $500 less and told me they wanted to use him for a trail horse! I was like ummm heck no! If they were planning on using him for competing I might have thought about the offer, just because I wanted the horse to be competed in a performance event, but for trail riding I thought that's a bit ridiculous! | |
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Location: Canada | When I look at horses I will only look at horses that fit the budget I'm looking in. If a horse is $10,500 and the budget is $10,000 I will email and ask a seller if it's something they'd consider before I'd waste a lot of their time asking questions. I don't expect to get $1000's off the asking price. If I think the horse is overpriced I won't go look at it. Either other people will think it's over priced and the seller will lower the price eventually, or someone will buy it at that price. I'll look at horses in my price range, that I feel are priced accordingly.
What drives me nuts is when your selling and it says No trades, or you are specific on what you'll trade for (ex 2-3 year old unstarted mares for example) and someone wants to trade you their backyard bred, grade, untrained 7 year old stud for a finished horse -- because he's fast across the pasture. Um no!
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Location: Buffalo, TX | I deal with pricing/haggling/lowballing every day of the week selling horse trailers and RV's. Normally, I give myself a small cushion on pricing because I know people like to bargain a little and it really does make them feel better that they "got a deal"....on the other hand, there are some trailers I tell them I just got and I'll be glad to lower the price in 30 days if it's still here....of course, I know the value of these things and I already know it's priced lower than market and will sell fast, and I also know the buyer is calling about it because they know the exact same thing...so they buy it at the list price, and they still get a good deal.
Sometimes the reason a person is even looking at your stuff is because they have already done their homework and they know it's a good deal, but they still try to beat you up more....fact of life when you sell something, haggling and lowballing part of it, so just see it for what it is and don't let them get to you...my very worst times to sell trailers is during the Triangle sale at the Expo...we get every horse dealer lowballing trailers...LOL..it's a game, and you don't have to play, just say no thanks and smile. 
p.s....if you are a seller, you should price your stuff according to how fast you want it to sell, and you have to know the market...hard to sell brings a lower price...in demand brings higher prices....ask a tad more...generally "price is firm" means nothing to lowballers, they beat you up anyway because that's what they like to do...I very seldom put "firm" on anything for that reason... | |
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Location: N Texas | RunNitroRun - 2016-03-09 11:15 AM When I look at horses I will only look at horses that fit the budget I'm looking in. If a horse is $10,500 and the budget is $10,000 I will email and ask a seller if it's something they'd consider before I'd waste a lot of their time asking questions. I don't expect to get $1000's off the asking price. If I think the horse is overpriced I won't go look at it. Either other people will think it's over priced and the seller will lower the price eventually, or someone will buy it at that price. I'll look at horses in my price range, that I feel are priced accordingly. What drives me nuts is when your selling and it says No trades, or you are specific on what you'll trade for (ex 2-3 year old unstarted mares for example) and someone wants to trade you their backyard bred, grade, untrained 7 year old stud for a finished horse -- because he's fast across the pasture. Um no!
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| Gunner11 - 2016-03-09 9:37 AM
RunNitroRun - 2016-03-09 11:15 AM When I look at horses I will only look at horses that fit the budget I'm looking in. If a horse is $10,500 and the budget is $10,000 I will email and ask a seller if it's something they'd consider before I'd waste a lot of their time asking questions. I don't expect to get $1000's off the asking price. If I think the horse is overpriced I won't go look at it. Either other people will think it's over priced and the seller will lower the price eventually, or someone will buy it at that price. I'll look at horses in my price range, that I feel are priced accordingly. What drives me nuts is when your selling and it says No trades, or you are specific on what you'll trade for (ex 2-3 year old unstarted mares for example) and someone wants to trade you their backyard bred, grade, untrained 7 year old stud for a finished horse -- because he's fast across the pasture. Um no!
Whenever someone asks me if I'll do a trade, I'll say yes, I'll trade for cash.
Haha thats a great response! I'm keeping that in mind next time I sell one of my horses! I always get offers for partial trades on cheap saddles...  | |
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| rpreast - 2016-03-09 10:41 AM
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1DSoon - 2016-03-08 6:44 PM
This will sound harsh, but it's really not intended to.
But if you sell cheap horses expect to deal with cheap people.
Agree with this 100%. Also, I know 2500 was just an example, but in my opinion, if someone can't pay 2500 for a horse then they wont be able to afford vet and normal care for the horse if it gets hurt. You never know when you're going to get a 4000 vet bill!! (if you don't have insurance of course )
I've said this a billion times. Buying the horse is the cheap part, maintaining him is the expensive part.
I dont that its an accurate statment. Ive never paid a lot for any of my horses because I keep a cushion for unknown expenses. My horses get better care than most. For the level of competition I do and how often I go, I cant justify buying a $10,000 prospect. I go to barrel races and stuff but I dont hit the big stuff that costs several hundred bucks a weekend.
With that said, I always price with some room for negotiation. Not a lot but if I found the perfect home and felt really good about it, I could afford to move. I sold a colt last summer though that I priced fairly and to sell. I have 3 or 4 offers on him in less than 24 hours.
I do agree thought if something says firm, I dont try and make an offer. I'll even ask in an ad if they are firm on price because maybe its a bit more than I have to spend. But dont want to waste their time if I cant afford it. When I shop, I have a set number in my head that I wont exceed. Not that i cant but I wont. I am comfortable with the budget I have thought out. So if a horse is $500 over budget and its firm, I wont go look. Could I pull an extra $500 out of savings, sure .. but then I am uncomfortable.
Also, I get real tired of going and looking at horses who are so overpriced... so falsely advertised. Just because they cost money to make, feed, etc... but youve let them sit for 5 years with no handling... they're not worth 5k. Especially when theyre a gelding. I dont even know if I will get the sucker broke because hes not even halter broke. | |
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Location: Florida.. | babbsywabbsy - 2016-03-09 8:40 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-08 6:44 PM This will sound harsh, but it's really not intended to.
But if you sell cheap horses expect to deal with cheap people.
Agree with this 100%. Also, I know 2500 was just an example, but in my opinion, if someone can't pay 2500 for a horse then they wont be able to afford vet and normal care for the horse if it gets hurt. You never know when you're going to get a 4000 vet bill!! (if you don't have insurance of course )
not always the case.
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Location: Mississippi | mtcanchazer - 2016-03-08 10:27 PM livexlovexrodeo - 2016-03-08 8:24 PM GLP - 2016-03-08 5:32 PM I don't think it's stupid to set the price and put firm right after. I don't think its stupid either. Working in retail it amazes me what people try to haggle prices on. Especially working at the feed store. Everyone treats us like we are a car dealership and that we should be able to lower the price on everything.
To the one that mentioned "cheap people," cheap people are the very worst to deal with. They are the ones that have a very minimal amount to spend, yet expect everything for that price. In the case of a car, they want a $10000 car for $2500. We see it and deal with it every day. There are people who are truly very nice and only can afford so much, it is the not nice ones that buy the cheap thing, then they break something on it and expect you to fix. Recently from our lot it was a woman who purchased a $1500 car. Car still runs and drives great, does everything as it should. The woman, on the other hand, less than a week after purchasing it broke out the driver's side window and admits to it and wants us to pay for the repair. That is what "cheap people" are.
I'm a terrible haggler. If someone doesn't say firm, or says OBO, I feel its free game to haggle a little bit, but within reason. I guess I'm just adding to the vent too, and I understand what the OP is talking about. Retail can be great, but it can kind of suck some days.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I had a nice grade mare. Nothing special. She was awesome in trails. No spook, Buck, rear, what have you. Sweet as pie. 15 years and 15 hands. Pretty thing. But basic. I priced her at $2k. Someone asked if I would do a little less. I said I could come down to $1800. They came that weekend to try her out. Loved her. Said they can't pay $1800 because they came up from phx and spent too much in fuel. They would give me $1300. Hubby and I laughed and told them to enjoy their drive home.
Someone else, local. Same mare priced at $2k. Guy came over, tried her. Loved her. Said she had a bit of thrush in one hoof (it was monsoon season and the pasture was straight mud). And since he was going to have to work with his vet and farrier to treat it, he would give us $1500.
I have a mare up for sale currently. Bought her to play around at gymkhanas. She's very obviously blown up even after two years away from barrels. She's a nervous wreck. Very spirited. Quick on her feet. Extremely light mouth. Clearly been used rough. I disclosed all this info in her ad as well as tell everyone she is not for a beginner rider. She has issues and needs someone to really take time with her, or maybe use her as a broody or companion. I constantly have people inquiring if she'd make a good kids horse or beginner trail horse. Smh.
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Location: North Dakota | This all boils down to RUDE people. If people would be more empathetic and less self entitled, I'm guessing this post wouldn't even exist.
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | I don't like to haggle, either (and I'm sure most times I pay more than Seller expected). And when I sell anything, I put my bottom dollar - but most times, I get asked to go lower, even if I go ahead and say FIRM. My husband tells me that most people expect that you overprice, and they expect to haggle -- I guess everyone's different.
My grandpa - honest hard-working Christian loved to sell at flea markets after he retired - he made a sign that said something like, I find, it, I buy it, I clean it, I take care of it, I pack it and unpack and pay to bring it here -- how could you ask me to take less................but my grandma told me he thought differently when he was the buyer :)
The last horse I bought looked a LOT different in the photos than in person. Professional photos, great stance, in the late Summer - raised in lush Montana pasture. I went to see him the following February - winter coat, turned out to pasture in Texas - not handled much and about 2 inches shorter than advertised. Not known to be a shady seller, either, and had nice horses. Seller already said they were pretty firm on price. I didn't haggle, but left, still searching for my new horse. Several days later they called me and said they thought I'd give him a good home and told me what they'd sell him for (which was actually the figure I was thinking in my head AFTER I saw him in person). His personality and looks have blossomed and I'm very happy with him (except just a little shorter than what I was after). But it was meant to be.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-03-09 7:56 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great!
This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 10:22 AM
1DSoon - 2016-03-09 7:56 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great!
This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
Agree, it usually means that someone thinks their horses are on cloud 9 but everyone else's is junk..
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 10:22 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-09 7:56 AM FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great! This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
Agree, it usually means that someone thinks their horses are on cloud 9 but everyone else's is junk.. You two need to look up the definition of HAGGLE.......
That could be,,,,,,,or maybe you need to learn to use your words better.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-03-10 10:33 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 10:22 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-09 7:56 AM FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great! This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
Agree, it usually means that someone thinks their horses are on cloud 9 but everyone else's is junk.. You two need to look up the definition of HAGGLE.......
what? you mean, use a word that you know the definition to? How about dicker or quibble, or do I need to define those too? | |
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| FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:03 AM
1DSoon - 2016-03-10 10:33 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 10:22 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-09 7:56 AM FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great! This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
Agree, it usually means that someone thinks their horses are on cloud 9 but everyone else's is junk.. You two need to look up the definition of HAGGLE.......
what? you mean, use a word that you know the definition to? How about dicker or quibble, or do I need to define those too?
Can I google dicker at work?  | |
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| stayceem - 2016-03-10 11:51 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:03 AM
1DSoon - 2016-03-10 10:33 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 10:22 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-09 7:56 AM FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great! This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
Agree, it usually means that someone thinks their horses are on cloud 9 but everyone else's is junk.. You two need to look up the definition of HAGGLE.......
what? you mean, use a word that you know the definition to? How about dicker or quibble, or do I need to define those too?
Can I google dicker at work?
Just don't search google images! | |
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| ccarpe18 - 2016-03-09 10:43 AM
rodeomom3 - 2016-03-09 4:27 AM I had the opposite happen to me. I was trying a few horses at a brokers place, was not going to try one because of his history, ended up trying him anyway and loved him. I asked several questions the next day and the broker went up on the price a few thousand when I showed interest in him.
I tried a 4d horse out once, that I saw a ton of potential in.... a pro-girl was selling him because "he was slow for the level she was competing at". I tried him out at the race and ran 2nd in the 1d (outran her good horse)....and she decided he wasn't for sale anymore when I went to hand her the cash. Now, instead, I get on a horse if they are already trained on the barrels and trot or slow lope through and exhibition...never make a run...and make my decision after that. Learned my lesson really quick...sometimes good timing can make a horse look like he is worth a whole lot more than they thought they were...
the pro-girl...never got out of the 3-d or 4-d with him after she turned down my money, which she priced him at (and I did not haggle)....but I learned my lesson. I had a chance to buy that horse about a year later from her.......and I didnt, because I had a bad taste in my mouth after that. | |
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Location: That part of Texas | Whoop Z Day Z - 2016-03-08 6:39 PM Since when does $2500FIRM mean HEY LETS NEGOTIATE!!??? Since when is it the sellers responsibility to come off the price so the buyer can afford fuel to get it? Why does no one read the ads? Was anyone else raised when you make a cash offer you are ready to hand over cash once offer is accepted not 2 weeks later... Sorry had to vent, very frustrated You're dealing with the general public. Remember that on a good day, most people will be fairly easy to deal with and will be decent buyers. Good days are few and far in between though.
By having x,y & z in your ad (Firm, Cash, Info) you're only setting yourself up for failure and frustration because most people are going to decline to abide by those unwritten rules you've listed. They are going to ask questions that are answered in the ad. They will ask you to come off the price. They are probably not going to deal in cash. These are things that they are going to do regardless of what's listed. By listing these things and having the expectation that they will be followed, you are the only one getting frustrated by the process in that regard. Once you accept that the majority of people won't abide by what you hope they will, you can change your expectations.
Expect them to do the things that drive you crazy instead of dreading that it's going to happen and then dealing with those feelings when it does. It's going to happen. What can you do about it? Figure out what will maybe minimize your frustrations. Instead of expecting them to honor the firm price, build in some wiggle room in the one you post because you know people are going to ask if you are willing to come down a little. If people keep asking the same questions over and over about the horse that's in the ad, already have a pre-saved text with that information in it so you can send and not spend time re-sending that same info to various people. It's going to happen. Same with asking for cash -- already have a plan on alternatives if you are willing to go that route.
Yes, the world would be a much better place if people would/could follow directions, respect boundaries that others have already laid out and to deal with integrity but that's not this world. Stop expecting it to go that way and focus energy on dealing with them not doing it how you would if you were raised right. Stop setting yourself up for failure in a world that's full of it.
ETA: I have this quote framed in my office next to my desk because I too get frustrated with people not following basic life stuff, especially those who call 2-3x at odd hours like 8:00 p.m. or even 2:00 a.m. expecting someone to answer the law office phone or my favorite = on the weekends. When I'd see the calls I used to get pretty miffed and think "Really? REAAAAALLLLLYYY?!@#$@!@ Did you really think I was going to be in at that time to take a call?" I had to change because I knew that they wouldn't (and haven't for the record). I now just smile, shake my head and come to expect the phone calls after hours, on the weekends, on Christmas and any other Holiday or day you'd really expect me to be out of the office. Some people just don't think and if you deal with the public, it's an unfortunate new norm of conduct.
Edited by Red Raider 2016-03-10 2:55 PM
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| I completely understand the frustration of buying horses, but I also will say that if I really want a horse out of my budget, no matter what the ad says, I might call up the owner and say, hey, I know you are asking X amount, but if you would ever entertain X amount, please call me. I will not make excuses of why I can't pay a certain amount, or why I think their horse is worth less, no BSing... just lay it out there. It's not mean to offend anyone, I've just seen a lot of instances where horses are priced FIRM at one time, but then a month, three months, six months, to a year later, then are sold for A LOT less to the person that was in the right place at the right time. | |
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Location: Iowa | why do "some people" think you need to come down so they have gas money to come pick up the horse. That's when I say " you should have thought about that ahead of time" | |
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| SpaceCowboy - 2016-03-10 3:30 PM
I completely understand the frustration of buying horses, but I also will say that if I really want a horse out of my budget, no matter what the ad says, I might call up the owner and say, hey, I know you are asking X amount, but if you would ever entertain X amount, please call me. I will not make excuses of why I can't pay a certain amount, or why I think their horse is worth less, no BSing... just lay it out there. It's not mean to offend anyone, I've just seen a lot of instances where horses are priced FIRM at one time, but then a month, three months, six months, to a year later, then are sold for A LOT less to the person that was in the right place at the right time.
I have done this on 1 or 2 occasions. Not often but have sent an email saying. I know you are asking x amount, I understand you may get that but if you decide to start entertaining offers my budget is x. I keep it brief and to the point and if they have a hard time selling, I hope to hear from them. but i dont ask questions at that point, request photos or more info, etc. I dont want to waste their time because usually i only send that email if I am regrefully unable to pay for the horse and everything in the ad is spot on what im looking for. | |
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| When I'm looking to buy something, anything doesn't matter what it is I have done a TON of homework and I know what it's worth. if I want it and it's priced where I can afford it and it's a good "deal" I.e. Worth what I'm paying but I'm not giving a premium, I buy it.
However, I am a negotiator and am not scared to make an offer on something. If someone takes it, great! If not that's fine too I won't ask again. I'm also patient. If I make an offer on something priced "firm" it's because it's been on the market for awhile which is Proof it's priced to high or there's no market demand for that product. Rarely after making an offer on a "firm" price has that person not called me back a few days later and said "okay I'll do it".
Bottom line someone said in another post people take negotiating personally and it's true. If I make an offer below your asking regardless how much lower it is, you can think I'm a jerk but I didn't call you a bad person, I just disagreed with you on the value of your product. | |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Three 4 Luck - 2016-03-09 9:47 AM
rodeomom3 - 2016-03-09 6:27 AM I had the opposite happen to me. I was trying a few horses at a brokers place, was not going to try one because of his history, ended up trying him anyway and loved him. I asked several questions the next day and the broker went up on the price a few thousand when I showed interest in him.
I showed up at a barn to try a gelding one time and the other folks in the barn began pushing horses at me! The gelding I went to see did not work for me, but while I was trying to pull off my boots horses started coming out of the woodwork. It was crazy - and I thought some of the folks were going to get into a fight about showing me their horse versus the horse I originally came to look out. Got my boots off, my shoes on, ran to rental car and got the heck outta there. Wild! | |
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Location: Florida.. | It doesnt bother me...its horse dealings.. there s a saying all they can say is no.. so just say no and next.. shouldnt get upset about it.. not worth it.lol.. | |
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Location: Northwest Florida | MOTIVATED - 2016-03-10 12:23 PM
ccarpe18 - 2016-03-09 10:43 AM
rodeomom3 - 2016-03-09 4:27 AM I had the opposite happen to me. I was trying a few horses at a brokers place, was not going to try one because of his history, ended up trying him anyway and loved him. I asked several questions the next day and the broker went up on the price a few thousand when I showed interest in him.
I tried a 4d horse out once, that I saw a ton of potential in.... a pro-girl was selling him because "he was slow for the level she was competing at". I tried him out at the race and ran 2nd in the 1d (outran her good horse )....and she decided he wasn't for sale anymore when I went to hand her the cash. Now, instead, I get on a horse if they are already trained on the barrels and trot or slow lope through and exhibition...never make a run...and make my decision after that. Learned my lesson really quick...sometimes good timing can make a horse look like he is worth a whole lot more than they thought they were...
the pro-girl...never got out of the 3-d or 4-d with him after she turned down my money, which she priced him at (and I did not haggle )....but I learned my lesson. I had a chance to buy that horse about a year later from her.......and I didnt, because I had a bad taste in my mouth after that.
Motivated- I loved this story! I had a similar experience, except mine took place in an auction barn. After browsing the horses and learning the one I was after had sold prior to the auction, I was just sitting and watching, didn't even have my number on me. Then I see the mare I was after get run through! Someone had bought her and ran her through themselves. I watched who won her and went straight to that person offering to buy her. I got to test ride her, loved her handle, came back to him and asked for a price. He said, well after watching you ride her.. her price just doubled!  But I paid it anyway, and it turned out to be money well spent! He was excited to have made a profit so quickly... but if he had tripled her price I still would've bought her lol. I ended up making a pretty penny off of that mare.
As for the OP - I always price my horses with room to come down, because I know people want to feel like they can get a deal. I also always put obo/negotiable. When I'm shopping, I will always offer less unless the ad states firm. Then I am interested based on whether or not I think the horse is worth what they are asking and within my budget. I wouldn't offer less on a horse that says firm. The most I may do is message them, asking them to contact me if they decide to negotiate on the price. (Funny, a lot of them actually will).
Edited by BigStarBound 2016-03-11 9:01 AM
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| its really very simple.... horses are plentiful!!! horses everywhere. frustrating to sell sometimes... frustrating to buy. if you are getting interest in your horse be happy. this may sound harsh but is not intended too... change your attitude and you might see different results.. that person that checks to see if you would budge on the price just might be very well the one who is going to pay full price and you may loose the sale by the "tone" of declining the offer. i hope that this is received as suggestions on your sale and not snotty. | |
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SINCE WHEN IS A PRICE NOT A PRICE AND SEEN AS BEST OFFER?