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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | Does anyone know anything or have a horse who has had paralysis issues after being freeze branded? My friend just saved a gelding from the kill pen out of Dual Rey. The gelding is 4 but had paralysis of the face only on the left side after being freeze branded as a yearling. There is no muscle droopyness, the old owners just felt he did not resond to bits well. Any and all help is greatly appreciated. |
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| freeze brand on his jaw? And they concluded paralysis of the face because he didn't respond to a bit? really?
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | Yes. Word for word that is exactly what was said. "We felt that he had nerve loss from the paralysis and could not feel the bit to respond properly."
He is out of Dual Rey, and a Chic in time x Mr Senbar mare. He is only green broke because of the paralysis......
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I would think he would be more responsive almost if it was paralysis? And normally doesn't it droop if it truly is?  |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | He has no face droopyness..... nothing.
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| You would have a droopy jaw. Have you tried to run the end of a pen across the jaw. If there is paralysis they won't be able to feel anything. |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | He is not home yet. He was just bought today. He will be home Sunday. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Poor guy, he looks like a yearling. Get some groceries in him and re-evaluate. I be you will be suprised. |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | He is 14.2 and they are claiming he is 4years old. They sold him to the kill pen without his papers. We are trying to get them to see if he truly is 4. |
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Location: NE Texas | I have heard of some issues after freeze branding on the jaw, but more along the lines of nerve damage, not paralysis. In looking at these pictures, I personally don't see any paralysis, but there could be underlying nerve damage. I would get agree with others in that once he's in better shape, have his teeth looked at by a very good equine dental provider, and then evaluate him at that point. |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | Thank you! I will pass this information along to my friend. I truly hope this is nothing serious.... I hope it was a fluke. |
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Location: North Dakota | 
We have a gelding that has true facial paralysis. He caught his head between the barn and a panel. it will look something like this if he really is paralyzed. |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | Does your horse have "bit" issues now? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | barrelracin90 - 2016-03-09 3:36 PM Does your horse have "bit" issues now?
So many things can contribute to 'bit issues' if there isn't any drooping I would think it is something else :) |
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Location: North Dakota | He's just three now, with only a few rides on him. Has no trouble accepting the bit. Plays with it a little like a typical youngster. His only "issue" is when eating grain, tends to drop some out that side and drools a little. But he's not having any problems keeping weight on.
My guess would be your friends horse has teeth issues, and not so much nerve/muscle paralysis. That would be my first place to check when they're ready. I hope they figure out the issue! |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I'm happy your friend rescued him!!!
I agree on getting his teeth looked at by a really good dentist.
Good luck with him. He looks really sweet. |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | Thank you everyone so much!! I will for sure keep everyone updated! :) |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | My horse with true facial paralysis actually tightness his mouth and works in a bit really well. Your horse could certainly have nerve damage or loss of feeling but it doesn't look to have paralysis. I'd start him like you would any other horse and adjust to him accordingly |
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Location: sunny california | maybe check for a gutteral pouch infection |
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| barrelracin90 - 2016-03-09 2:58 PM
He is 14.2 and they are claiming he is 4years old. They sold him to the kill pen without his papers. We are trying to get them to see if he truly is 4.
Why does this happen time and again ... buy a $200 horse and then try to make a buck when the original owner sold them with no papers for a reason ...
If you are not horseman enough to look in this horses mouth to age it ... I feel sorry for the horse ...
Give this GRADE horse to some kid that would love to have their own horse and stop the nonsense ..
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Location: Millington, TN | Is it just me or does it look like there is swelling above the eyes? Btw, tell your friend thank you for saving this horse! |
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Location: Pittsburg, Texas | I would say get him to a good equine dentist, feed him, and give him some time. Looking from the front I wonder about him having some kind of accident....broken jaw not healed correctly, but especially teeth. You can pm me and let me know where you are located. I can refer you to the best vet "EVER" and he has an equine dentist on staff. |
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Location: Pittsburg, Texas | OOOOPPPPS, just read where the last picture is another horse...sorry but I can still refer to the vet. |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-10 1:56 AM
barrelracin90 - 2016-03-09 2:58 PM
He is 14.2 and they are claiming he is 4years old. They sold him to the kill pen without his papers. We are trying to get them to see if he truly is 4.
Why does this happen time and again ... buy a $200 horse and then try to make a buck when the original owner sold them with no papers for a reason ...
If you are not horseman enough to look in this horses mouth to age it ... I feel sorry for the horse ...
Give this GRADE horse to some kid that would love to have their own horse and stop the nonsense ..
I don't know who your trying to direct your comments to.... but please read the whole add. This horse is STILL in Texas AT THE KILL PEN! He will be home this weekend. No one said anything about "not looking in his mouth" it's hard to do when we are in Wisconsin and he was bought sight unseen and he is in Texas. Plus papers don't mean anything. It would just be nice to know if he truly has them. We have been in contact with the original owners since he was bought. That's how the owner found out about the "paralysis".
And to everyone else, thank you for all your help and understanding. This little guy will have his forever home with my friend. We are just looking for any helpful information. Until he is home we can't do much about it. |
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| Get him home, and get him on a good feed program. He doesn't look like he has had the best start in life. He is lucky your friend rescued him. |
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Location: Kansas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-10 1:56 AM barrelracin90 - 2016-03-09 2:58 PM He is 14.2 and they are claiming he is 4years old. They sold him to the kill pen without his papers. We are trying to get them to see if he truly is 4. Why does this happen time and again ... buy a $200 horse and then try to make a buck when the original owner sold them with no papers for a reason ... If you are not horseman enough to look in this horses mouth to age it ... I feel sorry for the horse ... Give this GRADE horse to some kid that would love to have their own horse and stop the nonsense ..
If only I could reach through this computer screen......i swear. |
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Location: Ohio | Just a thought... I had one that had facial paralysis after being gelded (even though his head had padding when we laid him down, his halter still cut off blood supply to nerves). It's a very slow healing injury, took 14 months for him to regain full control over the left side of his mouth. He also became very heavy on that side when riding in a snaffle due to the corner of his mouth and lower cheek area being numb, he just couldn't feel the pressure as well. If the original owners were telling the truth than your horse may have had a similar injury at one time but is slowly recovering.
Im interested to see what you find when you get him home. Keep us updated!
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Location: North Dakota | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-03-11 10:01 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-10 1:56 AM barrelracin90 - 2016-03-09 2:58 PM He is 14.2 and they are claiming he is 4years old. They sold him to the kill pen without his papers. We are trying to get them to see if he truly is 4. Why does this happen time and again ... buy a $200 horse and then try to make a buck when the original owner sold them with no papers for a reason ... If you are not horseman enough to look in this horses mouth to age it ... I feel sorry for the horse ... Give this GRADE horse to some kid that would love to have their own horse and stop the nonsense ..
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | Thank you to all the people who are being so kind! |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-09 11:56 PM
barrelracin90 - 2016-03-09 2:58 PM
He is 14.2 and they are claiming he is 4years old. They sold him to the kill pen without his papers. We are trying to get them to see if he truly is 4.
Why does this happen time and again ... buy a $200 horse and then try to make a buck when the original owner sold them with no papers for a reason ...
If you are not horseman enough to look in this horses mouth to age it ... I feel sorry for the horse ...
Give this GRADE horse to some kid that would love to have their own horse and stop the nonsense ..
Seriously? There is no reason to be mean. Great for her for finding a cute horse for cheap! |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | gypsykalgirl - 2016-03-11 11:05 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-03-09 11:56 PM
barrelracin90 - 2016-03-09 2:58 PM
He is 14.2 and they are claiming he is 4years old. They sold him to the kill pen without his papers. We are trying to get them to see if he truly is 4.
Why does this happen time and again ... buy a $200 horse and then try to make a buck when the original owner sold them with no papers for a reason ...
If you are not horseman enough to look in this horses mouth to age it ... I feel sorry for the horse ...
Give this GRADE horse to some kid that would love to have their own horse and stop the nonsense ..
Seriously? There is no reason to be mean. Great for her for finding a cute horse for cheap!
Thank you so much!!! |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | He is home!! After a long......long 19 hour trailer ride home from Texas. This little guy is finally home. Today starts a new healthy journey for him. Vet will be out first thing tomorrow to check him head to toe! I can't thank you all enough for the support and kind words. My friend is doing a wonderful thing by giving this little guy a second chance at life! |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | The pictures won't load off my phone. I will have to load them tomorrow morning |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | It won't let me upload pictures! ?????? |
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Location: Somewhere here in Wisconsin! | This little guy is doing amazing!! He has grown up so much since coming come!! And we finally got on his back for the first time a few days ago! |
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Location: Texas | the pictures do not look like a horse with facial nerve paralysis. They have to have at least one of the following: drooping ear, drooping eyelid that may not be able to blink, muzzle deviation to the opposite side of the face
If the horse was laid down to be freeze branded, he could have had temporary facial nerve paralysis if the halter was left on his head and the buckle put pressure on the branch of the facial nerve that you can feel just under the skin. I guess the same could be said for a freeze brand on the jaw over that area.
People are crazy, and they very well could have believed that's why the horse acted a certain way and never gave him a fair chance. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | barrelracin90 - 2016-10-21 4:54 PM This little guy is doing amazing!! He has grown up so much since coming come!! And we finally got on his back for the first time a few days ago!
Would love to see pictures. They need to be under 100kb to load up on this site.
Good luck!
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