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| I just bought a new mare. She's all race bred and sort of has an anxious personality. She is also finished and 12 years old. I got her exactly a week ago, but I can't really get her to eat her grain. I feed tribute calm and easy. All my horses love it. Except for her. She eats it, but she picks at it? like through out the day she eats it. She also picks at her hay too. We feed an alfalfa grass mix. No weeds really soft. All my other horses love it and eat everything right away. But she doesn't. I don't know how to get her to eat it. Also do you think this could be a sign of ulcers? I had another horse who had them but eating wasn't a problem, she just got grouchy. I'm sorta confused with this new mare and don't know what to do. |
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| Yes that is a sign of ulcers. The feed you are feeding should be OK. I would get some Aloe Vera from Walmart. Give 30 cc about 30 minutes before feeding. It will calm her stomach. I have also treated one with oxy ulcer. It gets both fore and hind gut where omeprozole won't. My mare started back to eating after first treatment. |
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| Contact Dr. Schell on secondvet.com. He and his products have really helped my anxious gelding so much that he is a different horse. Read the posts on the Adapt and Stomach products while you are on the site. He has a lot of outside the box thinking. The Cur Ost products have made the biggest difference in my gelding.
I must add, though, that for just anxiety, I also like the THE calming cookies. On my daughter's mare I use 2 cookies when I know she is going to be anxious - separated from her buddies, high wind, etc. But she has been treated with the Stomach and Adapt to take care of her ulcers she got from having to take bute for a while. |
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| Is there a severity when it comes to ulcers? I had one before we treated with Omeprozole and she is fine. Should I go straight to treatment or just try supplements?
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| My guy is doing the same thing. I am on the second week of gastroguard..... wondering if I should change feeds? I am feeding strategy.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | GLP - 2016-03-10 11:43 AM Contact Dr. Schell on secondvet.com. He and his products have really helped my anxious gelding so much that he is a different horse. Read the posts on the Adapt and Stomach products while you are on the site. He has a lot of outside the box thinking. The Cur Ost products have made the biggest difference in my gelding. I must add, though, that for just anxiety, I also like the THE calming cookies. On my daughter's mare I use 2 cookies when I know she is going to be anxious - separated from her buddies, high wind, etc. But she has been treated with the Stomach and Adapt to take care of her ulcers she got from having to take bute for a while.
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| I tried Curost. Did not work for my horse. Still had ulcers. You will be better off going with something like gastro plus or oxy ulcer and then feeding oxymax as maintenance. And i found with Curost when calling or emailing a question, the answer was always the same. Not every horses issues are always caused by the stomach. I know a lot of people have had luck with it, but I tend to think it is more due to change of diet by getting off processed feeds, than the supplement itself.
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| TNcowgirl88 - 2016-03-10 12:52 PM
My guy is doing the same thing. I am on the second week of gastroguard..... wondering if I should change feeds? I am feeding strategy.
I will be following.
Yes I would change feeds. Strategy is high in starch. If you can get Renew Gold, it's what has worked for my mare. That and oxygen ulcer and oxymax. Gastroguard does not get hind gUT ulcers. Oxy Ulcer does. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | What kind of grain and hay was she eating before your got her? Maybe she had sweet feed before and the pellets don't appeal to her. I always try to feed the same thing and mix in the new before I switch them over to my feed. It could also be nerves and stress from the change of scenery which can cause upset stomach. Give her time to settle. It may take some trial and error to figure out how to get her to settle in. |
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Location: NE Texas | I too am a Cur-OST fan and have seen it do some pretty amazing things for many horses, people, and now dogs after the phone call I received this morning. You can go to the forum on the SecondVet website and ask additional questions there if interested. |
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| I assure you it wasn't the feed changes. He had been on alfalfa and renew gold all summer with very little çhange. I started with Cur Ost in September. I had tried the Oxy calming paste, can't remember which one, and it didn't help him am at all. The change were so dramatic, physically and mentally, after starting with Cur Ost. It happened within days. However, I do believe that not every horse may respond to the same product the same way.
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| GLP - 2016-03-10 1:54 PM
I assure you it wasn't the feed changes. He had been on alfalfa and renew gold all summer with very little çhange. I started with Cur Ost in September. I had tried the Oxy calming paste, can't remember which one, and it didn't help him am at all. The change were so dramatic, physically and mentally, after starting with Cur Ost. It happened within days. However, I do believe that not every horse may respond to the same product the same way.
Glad that it worked for you. The calming paste does not take care of ulcers. My horse went down hill on Curost. Lethargic and looked like crap. Went from winning rodeos and 1D to a hAlf second off. Changed the supplement and had my vet inject and she is back. I know Dr. Schell believes in not injecting. But that is not the case with most horses. I also treated her for ulcers with Curost. She still had them. Until she was treated with Oxyulcer .
It is also hard for someone to diagnose something over the phone or by email without seeing the horse. Again most of the answers you will get is something is wrong with the stomach. Not every horse has something wrong with the stomach. Or has leaky gut. |
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| For me it was cost. I was spending 600 a month on curost for 2 horses. I really do like and believe in the product but it has become economically unrealistic for me. So I have my 2 boys just on the PURE formula. That will keep all the inflammation out. I have found another natural product that is just as effective for my allergy horse as the curost was at 1/3 the cost. I now make my own version of the " Stomach" which all it is is aloe powder and Marshmello Root. Mix my own at a fraction of the cost with same results. But it is a great product. Of course keeping my horses on a natural diet has worked wonders. |
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| readytorodeo - 2016-03-10 2:08 PM
GLP - 2016-03-10 1:54 PM
I assure you it wasn't the feed changes. He had been on alfalfa and renew gold all summer with very little çhange. I started with Cur Ost in September. I had tried the Oxy calming paste, can't remember which one, and it didn't help him am at all. The change were so dramatic, physically and mentally, after starting with Cur Ost. It happened within days. However, I do believe that not every horse may respond to the same product the same way.
Glad that it worked for you. The calming paste does not take care of ulcers. My horse went down hill on Curost. Lethargic and looked like crap. Went from winning rodeos and 1D to a hAlf second off. Changed the supplement and had my vet inject and she is back. I know Dr. Schell believes in not injecting. But that is not the case with most horses. I also treated her for ulcers with Curost. She still had them. Until she was treated with Oxyulcer .
It is also hard for someone to diagnose something over the phone or by email without seeing the horse. Again most of the answers you will get is something is wrong with the stomach. Not every horse has something wrong with the stomach. Or has leaky gut.
Yes I know calming paste doesn't work on ulcers. I had just gone through a product recommended by a vet that didn't help and then another popular product that didn't help. At that time I he was showing anxiety issues. I was told he probably had hindgut ulcers. Dr. Schell always talked to me about the whole difestive system not just the stomach.
My horse went from being so upset at a barrel race I couldn't saddle him to now being able to start competeing again. He also went from absolutely no top line to muscle ridges along his spine, from extreme haybelly to no haybelly and from an aggressive water to calmly eating and enjoying his meals.
I am glad you found what worked for your horses. Sometimes it is a maddening journey for sure. |
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| Gastro Plex does not heal ulcers. I have used it before I put one in the trailer,because it does help soothe the stomach.
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Location: South Texas | FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 2:27 PM For me it was cost. I was spending 600 a month on curost for 2 horses. I really do like and believe in the product but it has become economically unrealistic for me. So I have my 2 boys just on the PURE formula. That will keep all the inflammation out. I have found another natural product that is just as effective for my allergy horse as the curost was at 1/3 the cost. I now make my own version of the " Stomach" which all it is is aloe powder and Marshmello Root. Mix my own at a fraction of the cost with same results. But it is a great product. Of course keeping my horses on a natural diet has worked wonders.
Can you tell me how much and what you are mixing and where you are getting product plus what feed are you feeding? I have one that just had a serious bout with Ulcers and I am looking for a maitenance plan once he comes off of Gastroguard....thanks |
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| snazzy - 2016-03-10 5:39 PM
FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 2:27 PM For me it was cost. I was spending 600 a month on curost for 2 horses. I really do like and believe in the product but it has become economically unrealistic for me. So I have my 2 boys just on the PURE formula. That will keep all the inflammation out. I have found another natural product that is just as effective for my allergy horse as the curost was at 1/3 the cost. I now make my own version of the " Stomach" which all it is is aloe powder and Marshmello Root. Mix my own at a fraction of the cost with same results. But it is a great product. Of course keeping my horses on a natural diet has worked wonders.
Can you tell me how much and what you are mixing and where you are getting product plus what feed are you feeding? I have one that just had a serious bout with Ulcers and I am looking for a maitenance plan once he comes off of Gastroguard....thanks
My horses get alfalfa 2-3x a day and grass hay 24/7. I get my aloe powder and marshmello root from a local store. However, take a look at Jerimiah's Ulcer repulser website. It works really good and its 99.00 for a 3 month supply!!! Pretty much Same ingredients. |
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Location: Florida.. | walshbm2 - 2016-03-10 12:28 PM I just bought a new mare. She's all race bred and sort of has an anxious personality. She is also finished and 12 years old. I got her exactly a week ago, but I can't really get her to eat her grain. I feed tribute calm and easy. All my horses love it. Except for her. She eats it, but she picks at it? like through out the day she eats it. She also picks at her hay too. We feed an alfalfa grass mix. No weeds really soft. All my other horses love it and eat everything right away. But she doesn't. I don't know how to get her to eat it. Also do you think this could be a sign of ulcers? I had another horse who had them but eating wasn't a problem, she just got grouchy. I'm sorta confused with this new mare and don't know what to do.
Before starting on expensive supplements Id have her teeth looked at, treat for ulcers, and put her back on something close to her old grain..then slowly transition over .. |
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| I get people Ranitidine from Walmart. 12 pills in the feed daily as a maintenance..not as a treatment. |
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Location: cincinnati, oh | Did you ask Ronda what she was feeding her? It's not safe to just switch from one grain to another cold turkey. A drastic change in grain can upset her digestive system. Before you go treating for ulcers and dumping a bunch of supplements down her gullet maybe try finding out what she was eating before. As the old saying goes if it ain't broke don't fix it. |
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| readytorodeo - 2016-03-10 1:10 PM
I tried Curost. Did not work for my horse. Still had ulcers. You will be better off going with something like gastro plus or oxy ulcer and then feeding oxymax as maintenance. And i found with Curost when calling or emailing a question, the answer was always the same. Not every horses issues are always caused by the stomach. I know a lot of people have had luck with it, but I tend to think it is more due to change of diet by getting off processed feeds, than the supplement itself.
I second this opinion! I tried the $100 bag of curost with stomach or anxiety relief..didn't notice one difference. I now am on my 2nd week of omeprozale and picking up aloe vera juice too tomorrow. My mare is now eating her Renew Gold and alfalfa hay slowly..but it's a start. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | skeeter7 - 2016-03-13 7:39 PM Did you ask Ronda what she was feeding her? It's not safe to just switch from one grain to another cold turkey. A drastic change in grain can upset her digestive system. Before you go treating for ulcers and dumping a bunch of supplements down her gullet maybe try finding out what she was eating before. As the old saying goes if it ain't broke don't fix it.
I agree with this 100%! I understand that you feed what you feed to your other horses, but I've always been taught that horses systems are very sensitive and they need to gradually switch feeds as to not shock their systems. Ask the previous owner what grain she was on and then go from there. |
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I have had several we have treated for ulcers. 2 came back from the trainers, picky and losing weight, one almost starved herself to death. 2 were friends horses. We have had complete success with either the omeprazole paste or the omeprazole bbs. We feed Purina Healthy edge and toss in 2 big tablespoons of molasses mixed then add omeprazole bbs and mix again, given once daily. We feed our regular ration of healthy edge and hay the other feeding. We feed twice daily. Our horses have free choice coastal and a large pad of alfalfa which helps also. Generally we dose for 4 weeks. I have had all go back to being chow hounds and to their laid back happy selves with no signs of ulcers. |
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| I know what she fed but the closest place to me is an hour away. None of the Hamilton tractor supply's will order it because theres not enough interest in it. |
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Location: Florida.. | walshbm2 - 2016-03-14 10:23 AM I know what she fed but the closest place to me is an hour away. None of the Hamilton tractor supply's will order it because theres not enough interest in it.
what was it and perhaps we can find something near you and something close to that grain? or is that what your feeding.. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | The OTTB I have right now was the same way - would not clean up the Tribute. He tested positive on fecal test for colon ulcers, positive for gastric ulcers on acupressure points. He was thin, dull coat, wouldn't eat. On a hunch from previous experience, I put on him on oats & alfalfa and he cleans his bucket every time & now throws a fit for his food. He's picked up a lot of weight & his top line looks good! Not the first time I have found that some horses don't do well on pelleted high fat feeds. They do better on straight grain, no molasses. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I have a mare that gets such bad ulcers that she does this when she gets one. Every year I decide I'm going to start the season trying some supplement or natural maintenance product and every year I end up going back to medication. Yes, there are severities with ulcers. I've heard of horses having ulcers and after a month treatment with omeprazole are able to be maintained with supplement. I wish lol!
This year I had her on Equi-Sure and REALLY like the product, but she had a bad bout a week ago and was off her feed for 2 days. I put her on double dose (20cc) omeprazole with glutamine (glutamine hits the hind gut) and she was back eating after the first dose. She will now be on omeprazole daily for the season. Unfortunately I have found nothing that works for her other than the omeprazole. and I've tried it all.
I would like to try oxy-ulcer however. But Omeprazole is cheaper since I'm in Canada and the compound stuff does the trick. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Definitely try to gradually switch her feed and not do it all at once. As far as getting the horse to eat Animal Element In the Zone Paste is also an electrolyte, helps keep them calm, and helps them eat and drink. |
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New horse wont really eat. Help. Ulcers?