King&I - 2016-03-15 10:08 AM

6cc is what I give. IM 

rcoe - 2016-03-15 11:54 AM

I do a loading dose of 5 injections, 1 every 4 days. Then a booster every 3-4 weeks depending on how hard they are being run. Just about the same as I used to do with Adequan.

readytorodeo - 2016-03-15 3:45 PM

I was using the Pentosan from horse pre race. Have noticed a change in quality. So be careful.

readytorodeo - 2016-03-15 2:45 PM

I was using the Pentosan from horse pre race. Have noticed a change in quality. So be careful.

FLITASTIC - 2016-03-15 11:57 PM

I use it weekly with one horse and once a month with the other IM. I just opened a new bottle from HPR. No issues with color or consistency. Its supposed to be watery. Never thick. It has ALWAYS had a slightly off clear color.. Slight yellow tint. Never had a problem.

bsh84 - 2016-03-16 8:56 AM

My mare also just had a reaction to pentosan gold last week that I had gotten from horseprerace. Gave it in her neck, I thought maybe I got the position of the injection too far forward because she had never had a reaction before, but maybe it was the pentosan??

mandita8907 - 2016-03-16 8:36 AM Does anyone have any other reputable online pharmacies that have a good pentosan compound for a reasonable price?

ShortnRound - 2016-03-16 10:19 AM

My new bottle that I got yesterday from Horseprerace says to give it IV so maybe that is why everyone is having reactions. I know my old bottles said IM but this is a change.

cowgirl156 - 2016-03-19 6:58 PM

If my mare had a reaction why would I give it in her vein?? I tried to contact horse pre race and got an email address for "complaints"....needless to say that was 3 weeks ago and haven't heard anything. I won't be ordering anything from them again.

FLITASTIC - 2016-03-20 3:26 PM Just because you got a reaction in the muscle doesn't mean the medication is bad. Look at banamine. Almost always bad reaction in muscle but in vein perfectly good even when using same bottle. I've used HPR for 10 years never an issue and have seen night and say results.

hammer_time - 2016-03-23 1:33 PM

 I have one shot left (IV) and I might just go to Adequan....Or maybe Cur-Ost.....and forego the shot altogether because my horse isn't in hard work.....the sketchiness of HPR just makes me worried.  And I don't want to have to the IV because I don't know how and seriously can't imagine learning....freaks me out!!  :(

readytorodeo - 2016-03-23 5:01 PM Curost will not replace adequan or pentosan. You will at some point be told by using it,you will not need injections. In truth most horses will still need injected. Adequan you give in the muscle and regular pentosan is in the muscle. I like to give Lubrsyn daily. PHT magnets will help also. What I do now is Equine Regen Plus and Vitalize High Performance. Feed renew gold because I do not feed processed feeds.

FLITASTIC - 2016-03-23 1:48 PM LOL I learned to do IV shots late in life. I had a horse have a super bad reaction to banamine once and was also tired of having to haul to the vet for a simple Legend shot IV. SHe showed me how to do it and I felt so dumb I hadnt learned sooner. But I know what your saying!

Herbie - 2016-03-24 3:59 PM

 I have never read anywhere where Dr. Schell has said that you will 100% not have the need for joint injections when using the Cur-OST products.  Each horse is different, and the damage done is not repairable.  The idea behind the Cur-OST is to reduce the inflammation, thereby reducing further damage, thereby reducing pain. Some horses may still require joint injections, if there is severe damage.  Ideally they won't, but in some extreme cases there may still be a need unfortunately. 

I have personally seen a horse who was about to go in the next day for an IRAP procedure with big knots on his hocks.  The owner chose to do a consult with Dr. Schell, as she didn't have a good feeling proceeding with the IRAP due the the horse also dealing with ulcers, stress, and anxiety and had some concerns about invading the joint with the other inflammatory conditions going on.  I saw pictures a week later where the knots had drastically reduced size and the horse flexed off sound.  I'm not saying that is every case, but I am saying that it is possible that one may be able to at the very least extend the time between injections or postpone them due to the slowing of damage due to reduction of inflammation. 
 

GLP - 2016-03-24 2:51 PM


I just found out my horse has a small spur on his lower hock joint. I have asked Dr. Schell about it and am just waiting for answer. I am sure with the holidays, it maybe next week before I hear back. I am really glad to hear about you friend's horse doing so well on the Pure. I am lucky that he has a small spur and it is only slightly bothering him. I have such great results with Cur Ost. I would never have believed the changes one supplement could make if it hadn't been my own horse.

FLITASTIC - 2016-03-24 6:53 PM


My arthritic horse does great wit green every day and pure on race days...

readytorodeo - 2016-03-24 9:02 PM

I would do the Adequan. I think feed throughs are a waste of money. Equine Regen would be another thing you could try. It jump starts the stem cells. Has a strong anti inflammatory response. Also relieves pain. I feed it and do either Adequan or Polyglcan every two weeks. I also do not feed processed feeds. I feed Renew Gold and Alfalfa Hay.

GLP - 2016-03-24 9:43 PM


I thought stem cells had to be injected. Can you explain how this feed through works?

readytorodeo - 2016-03-25 1:28 AM


Equine Regen Plus uses the patent pending formula and science derived from the PrimiCell stem cell formula created for human consumption. In a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, human, clinical trial of PrimiCell human participants were shown to have an increase in circulating, primwere told e stem cells of 118% in two weeks and 268% in 28 days. PrimiCell was also shown to be a powerful antioxidant with anti-aging effects. Early stage in vivo studies showed PrimiCell to have inhibitory effects on the growth of undesired cells, including cells A549, SGC-7901, HY-29 and PC-3. More studies are currently underway.
It basically jump starts the horses own stem cells. They heal quicker. Bleeders no longer need Lasix. Just ask Tana Popino and Taylor Langdon. Navicular horses are able to be competed and are winning that owners were told that they would be pasture ornaments. .

GLP - 2016-03-25 8:11 AM


I would like to try it but I can't swing that price! I thought Cur Ost was expensive! But thank you for explaining it to me. It is certainly something to think about.

readytorodeo - 2016-03-25 8:42 AM


You might also look into Forefront. It is a whole lot cheaper than Curost. And I think their products are comparable. I think Flitastic is using some of their products.

GLP - 2016-03-25 7:25 AM


I am really happy with Cur Ost, so I don't want to change my one horse. However, for my daughter's horse I would like to find a cheaper alternative since she won't be able to afford Cur Ost for awhile. I will check out Forfront.

FLITASTIC - 2016-03-25 11:26 AM


I use the respiratory from forefront and the canine hip and joint for my dogs. I am not saying one is superior to the other (curost vs forefront) but in my experience my horse that was doing awesome on curost total is still maintaining and doing awesome on forefront respiratory. He has not relapsed one bit in the 60 days since the switch. Forefront is 59.00 for a 60 day supply of respiratory and curost total is 124.00 for 30 days. I also switched both my horses from curost stomach at 74.00 a month per horse over to Depaulo Excel at 70.00 for 115 day supply. The excel and curost stomach have similar ingredients but not exactly. And the excel has less active ingredients. But once again, both products are great but my horses have continued to thrive on Excel and have not relapsed since stopping curost. Just my experience. I still use curost nourish on one horse who I suspect has a soft tissue issue. I will run that 60 days and see where I am at. No two horses are the same and if I can get the same results for less out of pocket that leaves me more entry fee money. Lol excel has stopped my need for mixing my own stomach formula. Someone asked below about racehorse meds, same company as HPR I believe.

BTw I am writing this post at 39,000 foot over Texas on my way to Greece to ride some barrel horses over there! Always checking my BHw

iloveequine40 - 2016-11-20 9:19 AM

Had to have my gelding fetlock injected last week for tiny lesion. Vet also started him on Pentosan, he says it's better than adequan. Doing loading dose IM once a week for 3 weeks and then once a month. My bottle(not sure of size but is enoughf or load dose and one monthly injection) was $109 through the vet. I'll get his there but would like to switch my 10yr old from adequan to pentosan. Does horse prerace whatever require an rx?
Also please educate me on injectable glucosamine

turnthree - 2016-11-21 11:52 AM

Please be careful when ordering from these webpages. I know the below article does not directly mention Pentosan but if other products have been tested and proven to not be what they are supposed to be, it's probably safe to say you should be leary of their other products as well. 

http://www.drf.com/news/deluded-trainers-using-diluted-drugs

Deluded trainers using diluted drugs
By Matt Hegarty




LEXINGTON. Ky. – Over the past several years, U.S. drug-testing officials and chemists have increasingly sought to procure substances that have been rumored to be administered to racehorses on race day or in out-of-competition environments in clear violation of the sport’s rules. They’ve sent the substances on to labs for analyses to determine their active ingredients and their likely impacts on racing performance.

There’s some bad news about that, and there’s some good news.

First, the bad news: Anecdotal evidence and recent regulatory actions appear to indicate that trainers are indeed using the substances on race day and while training, and that the substances are going undetected in post-race tests.

Now, the good news: The stuff doesn’t work.

The findings have created a conundrum for cash-strapped organizations like the Racing Medication and Testing Consortium that are seeking to develop costly tests to detect illicit medications. Should funding be used to develop tests to detect substances that are innocuous and have no performance-enhancing impact but are still being administered illegally on race day, to the detriment of developing tests that could find the next generation of actual performance-enhancing drugs?

“That’s the big question,” said Dr. Dionne Benson, executive director of the RMTC. “What they are doing is illegal, and we feel like we should have an ability to crack down on it. But that means we might not be able to do something else.”

The latest substance to crop up in the conversation is Sarapin (which can go by a number of spellings), a natural substance derived from the pitcher plant that is marketed as a pain block. In documents detailing an investigation into a veterinarian’s illegal raceday administration of the substance to a horse trained by Jane Cibelli at Tampa Bay Downs, the veterinarian, Orlando Paraliticci, who was banned from the track and received a 90-day suspension, said that he administered the substance to relieve pain in the horse’s splint.

Multiple laboratory studies of the substance have shown that Sarapin has absolutely no effect on mitigating pain, in either horses or humans. Yet a drug-testing laboratory in England is currently analyzing products containing the substance to determine whether it can be detected in post-race tests, saying that “in recent years Sarapin-related products have been found more frequently in the equine competition world,” according to an abstract for the study presented at an international conference of analytical chemists in 2012.

The Sarapin-related products have dozens of cousins sold on online sites that are marketed as performance-enhancing substances capable of being administered up to four hours prior to post time without being detected. Regulators have procured and analyzed a handful of the products – including one that purports to contain the enormously expensive performance-enhancing substance ITPP – and have found that they are nothing more than the equine equivalent of snake oil.

At least one part of the marketers’ claims appears to be true – the tests won’t return a positive on the substances no matter when they are administered. And that’s because they don’t contain anything illegal or anything that actually works.

So it appears to be the case that many of the sport’s would-be cheaters are actually being cheated themselves.

“A lot of this stuff is bull----,” said Dr. Rick Arthur, the equine medical director of the California Horse Racing Board, in a recent interview. “There are probably trainers out there who think they are using ITPP, and they aren’t. It says ITPP on the label, but it’s just a bunch of stuff that doesn’t work and isn’t even illegal. You have to keep chasing it, but there’s just so much nonsense out there, it’s hard to tell what’s true and what’s not.”

Benson, who spent a portion of her early career as an assistant to a practicing racetrack vet, said that trainers often ask for raceday treatments that the veterinarian knows will have no impact on the horse’s physiology or performance. The veterinarian gets to bill for the administration of the substance – often under the table – and no one gets caught. Meanwhile, the trainer doesn’t want to give up on something that competitors might also be using, so the cycle repeats itself.

“We used to say those things were for the trainer, not for the horse,” Benson said.

The most notorious marketer of substances with dubious if not outright deceptive claims is a website called horseprerace.com that, among legal therapeutics, sells dozens of substances with names like Lightning Injection, Super Shot, and Liquid Aranesp, which swipes a trademarked name for the blood-doper darbepoetin. Liquid Aranesp promises to deliver a “supplemental source of vitamins and amino acids,” which is not remotely close to what darbepoetin does.

The same site sells a neon-blue product, Blast Off Extreme Injection, that is said on the label to contain “myo-inositol trisprophosphate,” a similar spelling for the chemical name of the ITPP molecule. The description says the substance “may increase the force of heart-muscle contraction.” However, chemists who have tested the substance say that it does not contain the full ITPP molecule, according to Dr. Rick Sams, director of the HFL Sports Science lab in Lexington, but rather amino-acid snippets of it. It’s got the parts, but is far less than the whole, and completely ineffective.

The site sells a bottle containing six and half times the recommended dose for $40, which should be a sure-fire signal to any veterinarian or trainer that the substance is fraudulent, considering the difficulty in manufacturing the real ITPP molecule and its rarity.

Emails sent to a contact address at horseprerace.com have gone unanswered for a month.

“The RMTC recently got sent what was supposed to be cone-snail venom” – a powerful peptide painkiller – “and it was just a bunch of amino acids too,” Arthur said. “And yet the guy who was using it said that it was the best cone-snail venom he’d ever used.”

Several months ago, the RMTC sent a notice to racing commissions to add two substances, Purple Pain and TB-500, to the list of Class A medications, which are those substances that are considered to have no therapeutic use in a horse. Purple Pain is marketed as a painkiller, whereas TB-500 is marketed as a muscle builder, even though both substances are considered ineffective.

Benson said that classifying and developing tests for the substances can have an ancillary impact that is beneficial to racing, in that it might educate horsemen about the danger of believing claims about miracle substances.

“The RMTC is actively engaged in trying to identify these substances in order to determine which are true threats,” Benson said, “and dispel beliefs regarding those which have no effects.”