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Sore hocks and Osphos
merdth6
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 I brought my gelding to the vet last Friday.  I thought he felt off last season and just wasn't right.  I wanted my vet to go over him with a fine tooth comb, so we could find out what was going on. He had always gotten hock injections once a year for the last 5 years.  Last year when he got his injections he just didn't feel 100%, but he also had other things going with his stomach and hindgut, so I thought maybe that was part of the problem.  We did xrays of his hocks and he is fusing in a lot of spots and vet said he seemed pretty sore.  He said that he could do injections, but they would only last maybe 2 months.  I can't see the logic in injecting him every 2 months.  He said Legend, Adequan, pentosan, etc would not really help since they are building blocks for cartilage which we don't want because his hocks are fusing.  He also said that it is very rare that hocks ever fuse all the way and not still have pain.  He suggested Osphos.  Does anyone have any experiences with this drug for hocks? Vet also thinks that sore hocks were also causing the stomach issues, and I tend to agree with him.  
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My vet said same thing about my 11 year old gelding. He is fusing in his Left hock, but not his right. lol He has some arthritis in his coffin joints etc. She did recommend Osphos and I gave it to him a year ago. I have not given him a dose this year. Herbie has an article about the negative side effects of Osphos and similar drugs and its something to consider. However, I printed the article and showed it to my vet and it is her belief that if used like its supposed to then the risk is much lower. In my horses case, with all his issues, I do believe I am going to use it again. Will he maybe have a side effect 10 years down the road? Maybe. But I want him comfortable and he loves to compete so I will do what I have to to make it work for him. But yes, to answer your question...
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Did you by chance ultrasound? When the last injection only lasted 3 months when normally they last 6 months I took my horse to three different vets and they said to inject mine, ( Story too long) The fourth vet ultrasound and come to find out he had 2 small hole in suspensory and the ligament that connects to the back of the hock was developing calcium deposits. Vet said like sprain an ankle and sometimes you hurt and sometimes you don't depends on what you do. He said that this was a long time process. Lesson learned for me I will be xraying and plus ultrasound to cover all basis on my next horse. Good luck Also was told that my hocks where fusing too.
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If this was my horse, I would inject his hocks. Get him on a good supplement. And give a injectable email every other week. I use Oxygen TNP,Fluidity. And give adequan every other week. The fluidity and TNP will extend the injections. Osphos is a good product. I'm just leary of some the side effect which one is colic. PHT hock magnets would help.also

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merdth6
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readytorodeo - 2016-03-14 10:41 AM If this was my horse, I would inject his hocks. Get him on a good supplement. And give a injectable email every other week. I use Oxygen TNP,Fluidity. And give adequan every other week. The fluidity and TNP will extend the injections. Osphos is a good product. I'm just leary of some the side effect which one is colic. PHT hock magnets would help.also

My horse is on Curost and a good glucosamine/condroitin sulfate supplement.  I'm aware of the colic possbility, vet let me know.  Normally they are just walked out of the colic episode, but I will have banamine on hand. 
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FLITASTIC - 2016-03-14 10:32 AM My vet said same thing about my 11 year old gelding. He is fusing in his Left hock, but not his right. lol He has some arthritis in his coffin joints etc. She did recommend Osphos and I gave it to him a year ago. I have not given him a dose this year. Herbie has an article about the negative side effects of Osphos and similar drugs and its something to consider. However, I printed the article and showed it to my vet and it is her belief that if used like its supposed to then the risk is much lower. In my horses case, with all his issues, I do believe I am going to use it again. Will he maybe have a side effect 10 years down the road? Maybe. But I want him comfortable and he loves to compete so I will do what I have to to make it work for him. But yes, to answer your question...

My gelding is 15 and I do think a lot of track vets and others are using Osphos incorrectly and they are seeing the side effects from this.  I have seen good results so far in my research.  I also agree I want him to be comfortabe also.  He is fusing in both hocks, I saw the xrays.  I'm an xray tech so really the vet didn't have to say much as I could see with my own eyes...LOL  He is perfectly sound everywhere else it's just hocks. 
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merdth6 - 2016-03-14 8:54 AM

readytorodeo - 2016-03-14 10:41 AM If this was my horse, I would inject his hocks. Get him on a good supplement. And give a injectable email every other week. I use Oxygen TNP,Fluidity. And give adequan every other week. The fluidity and TNP will extend the injections. Osphos is a good product. I'm just leary of some the side effect which one is colic. PHT hock magnets would help.also

My horse is on Curost and a good glucosamine/condroitin sulfate supplement.  I'm aware of the colic possbility, vet let me know.  Normally they are just walked out of the colic episode, but I will have banamine on hand. 

Colic was very common with Tildren, not so much with Osphos. Very very few horses had issues and only one needed medical intervention in the Trial.
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FLITASTIC - 2016-03-14 10:32 AM My vet said same thing about my 11 year old gelding. He is fusing in his Left hock, but not his right. lol He has some arthritis in his coffin joints etc. She did recommend Osphos and I gave it to him a year ago. I have not given him a dose this year. Herbie has an article about the negative side effects of Osphos and similar drugs and its something to consider. However, I printed the article and showed it to my vet and it is her belief that if used like its supposed to then the risk is much lower. In my horses case, with all his issues, I do believe I am going to use it again. Will he maybe have a side effect 10 years down the road? Maybe. But I want him comfortable and he loves to compete so I will do what I have to to make it work for him. But yes, to answer your question...

My gelding is 15 and I do think a lot of track vets and others are using Osphos incorrectly and they are seeing the side effects from this.  I have seen good results so far in my research.  I also agree I want him to be comfortabe also.  He is fusing in both hocks, I saw the xrays.  I'm an xray tech so really the vet didn't have to say much as I could see with my own eyes...LOL  He is perfectly sound everywhere else it's just hocks. 

Correct. My vet used to be at the track for a good portion of her career. SHe still keeps in contact with those vets and its actually pretty sick what is happening with Osphos over there. Reports of it being used on Yearlings MONTHLY in prep for big thorobred sales etc. She told me that if used CORRECTLY, it will work great with little risk. If I don't use it on my guy his hocks and front feet will eventually become so painful that he will need NSAIDS every day or even put down. If I give it to him and he has good quality of life I think its worth the risk. When he is 20 will he lope down the pasture and break a leg cause of the Osphos?? MAYBE... but He could do that right now without it.
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merdth6 - 2016-03-14 10:21 AM  I brought my gelding to the vet last Friday.  I thought he felt off last season and just wasn't right.  I wanted my vet to go over him with a fine tooth comb, so we could find out what was going on. He had always gotten hock injections once a year for the last 5 years.  Last year when he got his injections he just didn't feel 100%, but he also had other things going with his stomach and hindgut, so I thought maybe that was part of the problem.  We did xrays of his hocks and he is fusing in a lot of spots and vet said he seemed pretty sore.  He said that he could do injections, but they would only last maybe 2 months.  I can't see the logic in injecting him every 2 months.  He said Legend, Adequan, pentosan, etc would not really help since they are building blocks for cartilage which we don't want because his hocks are fusing.  He also said that it is very rare that hocks ever fuse all the way and not still have pain.  He suggested Osphos.  Does anyone have any experiences with this drug for hocks? Vet also thinks that sore hocks were also causing the stomach issues, and I tend to agree with him.  

I dealt with a fusing hock on my horse Red. It was on his right hock and it was the "upper" of the two lower joints.

We injected but it still didn't make him pain-free. So I also used Previcox and that made a pretty big difference.

Also, depending on how advanced your horse's hocks are with fusing, it sometimes gets pretty hard to even get a needle in the joint spaces anymore.

I wouldn't say that "injections will only last 2 months" because it really will depend on the horse. I would do them when he tells you he needs them. And obviously, if injections won't 100% take his pain away, I would absolutely consider adding Previcox.

Some horses WILL fuse all the way (my horse did!) but there are those that won't.

 
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Just FYI-you need to read up on Pentosan-it is not a "building block for cartlidge" ......it is truly beneficial with arthritis present-it helps to "clean up" that blotchy arthritis and IMO is one heck of an anti-inflammatory.  I would hands down inject and follow with monthly pentosan your your horse-especially if he is 15. 
I would tend to be a little leary of a vet that groups all of the drugs you just mentioned into one group as they are definitely not the same nor do they have the same action.........especially when they predict you will be back in 2 months.  Google pentosan or pent aussie and read the information. I would think it would be beneficial for what you have going on.

 
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Here is the article Flitastic was mentioning.  I don't think we know the implications of use in the equine industry yet as far as use, long term side effects, and how it affects bone density.  At the speed we run and turn, and the longevity and level we expect our horses to perform, the risk isn't worth the reward for me personally.  I have done a little more research and have found instances where women developed long bone fractures of the femur while doing everyday activities.  This drug scares me for our horses, as the weight of the animal and the degree of our sport puts a great deal of pressure on the body.  If it even slightly increases the risk of catastrophic breakdown, i'm out.  I've seen plenty of that at the race track to last me a life time where neither the jockey nor the horse walked away.  https://www.grayson-jockeyclub.org/resources/bones.pdf 
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LMS - 2016-03-14 12:34 PM Just FYI-you need to read up on Pentosan-it is not a "building block for cartlidge" ......it is truly beneficial with arthritis present-it helps to "clean up" that blotchy arthritis and IMO is one heck of an anti-inflammatory.  I would hands down inject and follow with monthly pentosan your your horse-especially if he is 15. 

I would tend to be a little leary of a vet that groups all of the drugs you just mentioned into one group as they are definitely not the same nor do they have the same action.........especially when they predict you will be back in 2 months.  Google pentosan or pent aussie and read the information. I would think it would be beneficial for what you have going on.


 

From reading Pentosan, it is a "stimulant of cartilage synthesis repair and protection" In my horses xrays there are many spots that are bone on bone. Not sure Pentosan will help that.  Also I read that it is a heparin like anti coagulant, which is a blood thinner. Not sure that would work for my gelding as he did have a bleeding episode last year and I don't want to thin his blood.  I will say that I really like my vet.  We consult together for the care of my horses.  He just doesn't inject my horses and tell me they are all better now.  That's why I'm not going to inject every 2 months.   
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Herbie - 2016-03-14 12:43 PM Here is the article Flitastic was mentioning.  I don't think we know the implications of use in the equine industry yet as far as use, long term side effects, and how it affects bone density.  At the speed we run and turn, and the longevity and level we expect our horses to perform, the risk isn't worth the reward for me personally.  I have done a little more research and have found instances where women developed long bone fractures of the femur while doing everyday activities.  This drug scares me for our horses, as the weight of the animal and the degree of our sport puts a great deal of pressure on the body.  If it even slightly increases the risk of catastrophic breakdown, i'm out.  I've seen plenty of that at the race track to last me a life time where neither the jockey nor the horse walked away.  https://www.grayson-jockeyclub.org/resources/bones.pdf 

Thanks Herbie, I read the info and I have done a lot of research.  Hasn't this drug be used in Europe for awhile on horses?  I'd like to hear what problems they have had as far as side effects.  I understand what you are saying about the possiblity of problems.  Personally I think there are so many other drugs out there that have far more problems than this one.  I am also on a all natural diet with my horses and I do use Curost.  I have spoke to Dr Schell about this and gotten his input too. I'm still doing some research on Osphos and not sure what I will do. I will try EQ Pure and see how my gelding feels. 
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OK, what I'm seeing is that you're leary of the OSPHOS-which I would be too.  If you're not going to inject are you going to retire the horse while you wait for him to fuse?  I'm not being sarcastic here really.  The pentosan might be the ticket to help your horse.  It is cheap, it is effective (for me and mine and several I've seen first hand) it is very safe.  If you are concerned about bleeding make sure you give the animal 48 hours after injection before heavy work.  If I were in your situation I would try it-if the horse bleeds-stop the use.  I think you have several ways to manage your horses pain without using a (to me) scary drug.  I have watched pentosan take a gate-fighting crazy mare and make her a superstar, the owner had been all over trying to find the "ticket" for her-3-4 different vets in that many states-I suggested she try it and the mare is back in the money.  I'm not saying it will fix yours but for me after seeing what it has done for some of those horses that should be retired, I'm all for giving it a whirl. 
if you have 10 minutes-watch this-it's old but you get the idea. I truly wish you well in your search and hope you get your horse rolling the way you want.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRq7ZPcKeU
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LMS - 2016-03-14 3:48 PM OK, what I'm seeing is that you're leary of the OSPHOS-which I would be too.  If you're not going to inject are you going to retire the horse while you wait for him to fuse?  I'm not being sarcastic here really.  The pentosan might be the ticket to help your horse.  It is cheap, it is effective (for me and mine and several I've seen first hand) it is very safe.  If you are concerned about bleeding make sure you give the animal 48 hours after injection before heavy work.  If I were in your situation I would try it-if the horse bleeds-stop the use.  I think you have several ways to manage your horses pain without using a (to me) scary drug.  I have watched pentosan take a gate-fighting crazy mare and make her a superstar, the owner had been all over trying to find the "ticket" for her-3-4 different vets in that many states-I suggested she try it and the mare is back in the money.  I'm not saying it will fix yours but for me after seeing what it has done for some of those horses that should be retired, I'm all for giving it a whirl. 

if you have 10 minutes-watch this-it's old but you get the idea. I truly wish you well in your search and hope you get your horse rolling the way you want.



 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRq7ZPcKeU

Thanks for your advice.  I'm not sayng Pentosan won't work, I'm just trying to get my eggs in a row as what to do next.  Can you buy pentosan from the vet?  I'm reading that it hasn't been released in the US.  Unless this is old info?  My gelding has been off since last October when he had that bleeding episode, which my vet and I agree that his hock pain probably triggered that.  He will not start to be legged up until I can figure someway to keep him comfortable.  
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LMS - 2016-03-14 1:48 PM

OK, what I'm seeing is that you're leary of the OSPHOS-which I would be too.  If you're not going to inject are you going to retire the horse while you wait for him to fuse?  I'm not being sarcastic here really.  The pentosan might be the ticket to help your horse.  It is cheap, it is effective (for me and mine and several I've seen first hand) it is very safe.  If you are concerned about bleeding make sure you give the animal 48 hours after injection before heavy work.  If I were in your situation I would try it-if the horse bleeds-stop the use.  I think you have several ways to manage your horses pain without using a (to me) scary drug.  I have watched pentosan take a gate-fighting crazy mare and make her a superstar, the owner had been all over trying to find the "ticket" for her-3-4 different vets in that many states-I suggested she try it and the mare is back in the money.  I'm not saying it will fix yours but for me after seeing what it has done for some of those horses that should be retired, I'm all for giving it a whirl. 
if you have 10 minutes-watch this-it's old but you get the idea. I truly wish you well in your search and hope you get your horse rolling the way you want.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRq7ZPcKeU

Correct Pentosan Only has the effect of blood thinner for 24-48 Hours. As long as you give it way ahead of a race my vet says its fine. I usually give it no later than Wednesday if I am running on a weekend.
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LMS - 2016-03-14 3:48 PM OK, what I'm seeing is that you're leary of the OSPHOS-which I would be too.  If you're not going to inject are you going to retire the horse while you wait for him to fuse?  I'm not being sarcastic here really.  The pentosan might be the ticket to help your horse.  It is cheap, it is effective (for me and mine and several I've seen first hand) it is very safe.  If you are concerned about bleeding make sure you give the animal 48 hours after injection before heavy work.  If I were in your situation I would try it-if the horse bleeds-stop the use.  I think you have several ways to manage your horses pain without using a (to me) scary drug.  I have watched pentosan take a gate-fighting crazy mare and make her a superstar, the owner had been all over trying to find the "ticket" for her-3-4 different vets in that many states-I suggested she try it and the mare is back in the money.  I'm not saying it will fix yours but for me after seeing what it has done for some of those horses that should be retired, I'm all for giving it a whirl. 

if you have 10 minutes-watch this-it's old but you get the idea. I truly wish you well in your search and hope you get your horse rolling the way you want.



 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRq7ZPcKeU

Thanks for your advice.  I'm not sayng Pentosan won't work, I'm just trying to get my eggs in a row as what to do next.  Can you buy pentosan from the vet?  I'm reading that it hasn't been released in the US.  Unless this is old info?  My gelding has been off since last October when he had that bleeding episode, which my vet and I agree that his hock pain probably triggered that.  He will not start to be legged up until I can figure someway to keep him comfortable.  

Pentosan is compounded in the USA. But I get mine from Horseprerace and have had excellent results with it.
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LMS - 2016-03-14 3:48 PM OK, what I'm seeing is that you're leary of the OSPHOS-which I would be too.  If you're not going to inject are you going to retire the horse while you wait for him to fuse?  I'm not being sarcastic here really.  The pentosan might be the ticket to help your horse.  It is cheap, it is effective (for me and mine and several I've seen first hand) it is very safe.  If you are concerned about bleeding make sure you give the animal 48 hours after injection before heavy work.  If I were in your situation I would try it-if the horse bleeds-stop the use.  I think you have several ways to manage your horses pain without using a (to me) scary drug.  I have watched pentosan take a gate-fighting crazy mare and make her a superstar, the owner had been all over trying to find the "ticket" for her-3-4 different vets in that many states-I suggested she try it and the mare is back in the money.  I'm not saying it will fix yours but for me after seeing what it has done for some of those horses that should be retired, I'm all for giving it a whirl. 

if you have 10 minutes-watch this-it's old but you get the idea. I truly wish you well in your search and hope you get your horse rolling the way you want.



 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRq7ZPcKeU
Thanks for your advice.  I'm not sayng Pentosan won't work, I'm just trying to get my eggs in a row as what to do next.  Can you buy pentosan from the vet?  I'm reading that it hasn't been released in the US.  Unless this is old info?  My gelding has been off since last October when he had that bleeding episode, which my vet and I agree that his hock pain probably triggered that.  He will not start to be legged up until I can figure someway to keep him comfortable.  
Pentosan is compounded in the USA. But I get mine from Horseprerace and have had excellent results with it.

I'm assuming Osphos did better than Pentason though? 
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LMS - 2016-03-14 3:48 PM OK, what I'm seeing is that you're leary of the OSPHOS-which I would be too.  If you're not going to inject are you going to retire the horse while you wait for him to fuse?  I'm not being sarcastic here really.  The pentosan might be the ticket to help your horse.  It is cheap, it is effective (for me and mine and several I've seen first hand) it is very safe.  If you are concerned about bleeding make sure you give the animal 48 hours after injection before heavy work.  If I were in your situation I would try it-if the horse bleeds-stop the use.  I think you have several ways to manage your horses pain without using a (to me) scary drug.  I have watched pentosan take a gate-fighting crazy mare and make her a superstar, the owner had been all over trying to find the "ticket" for her-3-4 different vets in that many states-I suggested she try it and the mare is back in the money.  I'm not saying it will fix yours but for me after seeing what it has done for some of those horses that should be retired, I'm all for giving it a whirl. 

if you have 10 minutes-watch this-it's old but you get the idea. I truly wish you well in your search and hope you get your horse rolling the way you want.



 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRq7ZPcKeU
Thanks for your advice.  I'm not sayng Pentosan won't work, I'm just trying to get my eggs in a row as what to do next.  Can you buy pentosan from the vet?  I'm reading that it hasn't been released in the US.  Unless this is old info?  My gelding has been off since last October when he had that bleeding episode, which my vet and I agree that his hock pain probably triggered that.  He will not start to be legged up until I can figure someway to keep him comfortable.  
Pentosan is compounded in the USA. But I get mine from Horseprerace and have had excellent results with it.

I'm assuming Osphos did better than Pentason though? 

I have only ever used them in combination with each other. I gave Osphos last year and saw awesome results. Soon after I started pentosan. And have used it 2x a month since. I dont know how my horse would have done had I only used Osphos. But they work well together.
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merdth6 - 2016-03-14 3:59 PM
LMS - 2016-03-14 3:48 PM OK, what I'm seeing is that you're leary of the OSPHOS-which I would be too.  If you're not going to inject are you going to retire the horse while you wait for him to fuse?  I'm not being sarcastic here really.  The pentosan might be the ticket to help your horse.  It is cheap, it is effective (for me and mine and several I've seen first hand) it is very safe.  If you are concerned about bleeding make sure you give the animal 48 hours after injection before heavy work.  If I were in your situation I would try it-if the horse bleeds-stop the use.  I think you have several ways to manage your horses pain without using a (to me) scary drug.  I have watched pentosan take a gate-fighting crazy mare and make her a superstar, the owner had been all over trying to find the "ticket" for her-3-4 different vets in that many states-I suggested she try it and the mare is back in the money.  I'm not saying it will fix yours but for me after seeing what it has done for some of those horses that should be retired, I'm all for giving it a whirl. 
if you have 10 minutes-watch this-it's old but you get the idea. I truly wish you well in your search and hope you get your horse rolling the way you want.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRq7ZPcKeU
Thanks for your advice.  I'm not sayng Pentosan won't work, I'm just trying to get my eggs in a row as what to do next.  Can you buy pentosan from the vet?  I'm reading that it hasn't been released in the US.  Unless this is old info?  My gelding has been off since last October when he had that bleeding episode, which my vet and I agree that his hock pain probably triggered that.  He will not start to be legged up until I can figure someway to keep him comfortable.  
I get mine through wedgewood pharmacy via my vets perscription-buy direct from wedgewood so it's cheaper, some vets get it from wedgewood and then upcharge.  I have not ordered from horse prerace for pentosan as my vet has no problem calling in a perscription for me.  The last 100ml of pentosan was $171 delivered to my house-I haven't price checked lately....... 
edited to add that it is not FDA approved....so it is being compounded.

 

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LMS - 2016-03-14 3:48 PM OK, what I'm seeing is that you're leary of the OSPHOS-which I would be too.  If you're not going to inject are you going to retire the horse while you wait for him to fuse?  I'm not being sarcastic here really.  The pentosan might be the ticket to help your horse.  It is cheap, it is effective (for me and mine and several I've seen first hand) it is very safe.  If you are concerned about bleeding make sure you give the animal 48 hours after injection before heavy work.  If I were in your situation I would try it-if the horse bleeds-stop the use.  I think you have several ways to manage your horses pain without using a (to me) scary drug.  I have watched pentosan take a gate-fighting crazy mare and make her a superstar, the owner had been all over trying to find the "ticket" for her-3-4 different vets in that many states-I suggested she try it and the mare is back in the money.  I'm not saying it will fix yours but for me after seeing what it has done for some of those horses that should be retired, I'm all for giving it a whirl. 
if you have 10 minutes-watch this-it's old but you get the idea. I truly wish you well in your search and hope you get your horse rolling the way you want.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRq7ZPcKeU
Thanks for your advice.  I'm not sayng Pentosan won't work, I'm just trying to get my eggs in a row as what to do next.  Can you buy pentosan from the vet?  I'm reading that it hasn't been released in the US.  Unless this is old info?  My gelding has been off since last October when he had that bleeding episode, which my vet and I agree that his hock pain probably triggered that.  He will not start to be legged up until I can figure someway to keep him comfortable.  
I get mine through wedgewood pharmacy via my vets perscription-buy direct from wedgewood so it's cheaper, some vets get it from wedgewood and then upcharge.  I have not ordered from horse prerace for pentosan as my vet has no problem calling in a perscription for me.  The last 100ml of pentosan was $171 delivered to my house-I haven't price checked lately....... 
edited to add that it is not FDA approved....so it is being compounded.

 

I paid 99.00 for 100ml from horseprerace when it was on sale. Not on sale its still 129 for 100ml free next day shipping.
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I purchase mine from wedgewood as I have my concerns about the HPR and possible sterility issues. Plenty have used them and say they are okay, but I am a worrier. 

I give 6 cc weekly when I am hauling. If I am not hauling I will give it as needed. (once every other week usually).

It allowed me to go from injectining the lower hock every 3 months to once a year. I have had good results. The only other "joint" supplement I give is plain MSM. 
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Turnburnsis - 2016-03-14 8:34 AM Did you by chance ultrasound? When the last injection only lasted 3 months when normally they last 6 months I took my horse to three different vets and they said to inject mine, ( Story too long) The fourth vet ultrasound and come to find out he had 2 small hole in suspensory and the ligament that connects to the back of the hock was developing calcium deposits. Vet said like sprain an ankle and sometimes you hurt and sometimes you don't depends on what you do. He said that this was a long time process. Lesson learned for me I will be xraying and plus ultrasound to cover all basis on my next horse. Good luck Also was told that my hocks where fusing too.

This happened to me as well- we injected my gelding every 4 months for almost a year until injections quit working- went to a different vet who did ultrasound and discovered minor sprain in upper hind suspensory.     
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LMS - 2016-03-14 3:48 PM OK, what I'm seeing is that you're leary of the OSPHOS-which I would be too.  If you're not going to inject are you going to retire the horse while you wait for him to fuse?  I'm not being sarcastic here really.  The pentosan might be the ticket to help your horse.  It is cheap, it is effective (for me and mine and several I've seen first hand) it is very safe.  If you are concerned about bleeding make sure you give the animal 48 hours after injection before heavy work.  If I were in your situation I would try it-if the horse bleeds-stop the use.  I think you have several ways to manage your horses pain without using a (to me) scary drug.  I have watched pentosan take a gate-fighting crazy mare and make her a superstar, the owner had been all over trying to find the "ticket" for her-3-4 different vets in that many states-I suggested she try it and the mare is back in the money.  I'm not saying it will fix yours but for me after seeing what it has done for some of those horses that should be retired, I'm all for giving it a whirl. 

if you have 10 minutes-watch this-it's old but you get the idea. I truly wish you well in your search and hope you get your horse rolling the way you want.



 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRq7ZPcKeU
Thanks for your advice.  I'm not sayng Pentosan won't work, I'm just trying to get my eggs in a row as what to do next.  Can you buy pentosan from the vet?  I'm reading that it hasn't been released in the US.  Unless this is old info?  My gelding has been off since last October when he had that bleeding episode, which my vet and I agree that his hock pain probably triggered that.  He will not start to be legged up until I can figure someway to keep him comfortable.  
I get mine through wedgewood pharmacy via my vets perscription-buy direct from wedgewood so it's cheaper, some vets get it from wedgewood and then upcharge.  I have not ordered from horse prerace for pentosan as my vet has no problem calling in a perscription for me.  The last 100ml of pentosan was $171 delivered to my house-I haven't price checked lately....... 

edited to add that it is not FDA approved....so it is being compounded.


 
I paid 99.00 for 100ml from horseprerace when it was on sale. Not on sale its still 129 for 100ml free next day shipping.

Which Pentason do you use?  I see there are 3 different kinds. Do you give IV or IM?
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LMS - 2016-03-14 3:48 PM OK, what I'm seeing is that you're leary of the OSPHOS-which I would be too.  If you're not going to inject are you going to retire the horse while you wait for him to fuse?  I'm not being sarcastic here really.  The pentosan might be the ticket to help your horse.  It is cheap, it is effective (for me and mine and several I've seen first hand) it is very safe.  If you are concerned about bleeding make sure you give the animal 48 hours after injection before heavy work.  If I were in your situation I would try it-if the horse bleeds-stop the use.  I think you have several ways to manage your horses pain without using a (to me) scary drug.  I have watched pentosan take a gate-fighting crazy mare and make her a superstar, the owner had been all over trying to find the "ticket" for her-3-4 different vets in that many states-I suggested she try it and the mare is back in the money.  I'm not saying it will fix yours but for me after seeing what it has done for some of those horses that should be retired, I'm all for giving it a whirl. 

if you have 10 minutes-watch this-it's old but you get the idea. I truly wish you well in your search and hope you get your horse rolling the way you want.



 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRq7ZPcKeU
Thanks for your advice.  I'm not sayng Pentosan won't work, I'm just trying to get my eggs in a row as what to do next.  Can you buy pentosan from the vet?  I'm reading that it hasn't been released in the US.  Unless this is old info?  My gelding has been off since last October when he had that bleeding episode, which my vet and I agree that his hock pain probably triggered that.  He will not start to be legged up until I can figure someway to keep him comfortable.  
I get mine through wedgewood pharmacy via my vets perscription-buy direct from wedgewood so it's cheaper, some vets get it from wedgewood and then upcharge.  I have not ordered from horse prerace for pentosan as my vet has no problem calling in a perscription for me.  The last 100ml of pentosan was $171 delivered to my house-I haven't price checked lately....... 

edited to add that it is not FDA approved....so it is being compounded.


 
I paid 99.00 for 100ml from horseprerace when it was on sale. Not on sale its still 129 for 100ml free next day shipping.

Which Pentason do you use?  I see there are 3 different kinds. Do you give IV or IM?

Pentosan gold which has the glucosamine in it. Did not see the results with regular pentosan. I also tried the platinum once ( IV) and didn't see any more improvement than the gold so I stick with gold. (IM)
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