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| Life Lesson Story, long but anyone who has every had their horse injected needs to read:
My gelding was due to have his knee injected. He has recently been at a friend's house being legged up (4hrs away from me) so I decided to schedule with a well known, large equine facility that was on my way home instead of getting home and then having to drive an extra 2hrs to my personal vet. I decided to choose this place for 1) it is VERY well known University equine specialized facility & 2) since I mainly use a smaller equine Vet,, I was looking forward to different opinions and eyes that will pick up on new things and learning new info. Not listing the name, PM me if you're wanting.
So after the exam I take my gelding to the room to get ready to get his injections. I heavily watched the vet school students as they scrubbed the knee because I am obsessive when it comes to that and most of them have never been around a horse before. The main Dr. was watching over a dvm graduate doing a residency, who had previously been at Rood & Riddle. She withdrew the HA & steroid in the syringe, was extremely careful putting gloves on but failed to change the need from the ones she withdrew with, to a clean set for injection. I asked her to please change needles and she did. At this point I had a gut feeling that I needed to leave, but the other part of me was like this is a well known facility?? She stuck the upper joint, fluid came out, and she injected it. While she is doing this I remind you that the head dr has the knee flexed and is watching over
On the lower joint she inserted the needle and did not hit it correctly. SHE THEN PULLED THE NEEDLE OUT AND ATTEMPTED TO REINSERT THE SAME NEEDLE in a different spot. THANK GOODNESS I was watching like a hawk and yelled at her to stop. Thankfully I caught her in time and yelled bloody murder. I am absolutely sick to my stomach that something like this could've happened and the negligence that was involved. If a less experienced person was in my position and did not understand the full risks of sanitation, it would have been a disaster
Just a PSA, if I had been on my phone, turned talking to someone, out of the room, etc, that Vet would have likely created a sepsis nightmare. Just a warning to everyone: WATCH LIKE A HAWK, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP, TRUST YOUR GUT, AND IF YOUR VETS NOT BROKE DONT CHANGE VETS. | |
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| epoh - 2016-03-15 8:32 PM
Life Lesson Story, long but anyone who has every had their horse injected needs to read:
My gelding was due to have his knee injected. He has recently been at a friend's house being legged up (4hrs away from me) so I decided to schedule with a well known, large equine facility that was on my way home instead of getting home and then having to drive an extra 2hrs to my personal vet. I decided to choose this place for 1) it is VERY well known University equine specialized facility & 2) since I mainly use a smaller equine Vet,, I was looking forward to different opinions and eyes that will pick up on new things and learning new info. Not listing the name, PM me if you're wanting.
So after the exam I take my gelding to the room to get ready to get his injections. I heavily watched the vet school students as they scrubbed the knee because I am obsessive when it comes to that and most of them have never been around a horse before. The main Dr. was watching over a dvm graduate doing a residency, who had previously been at Rood & Riddle. She withdrew the HA & steroid in the syringe, was extremely careful putting gloves on but failed to change the need from the ones she withdrew with, to a clean set for injection. I asked her to please change needles and she did. At this point I had a gut feeling that I needed to leave, but the other part of me was like this is a well known facility?? She stuck the upper joint, fluid came out, and she injected it. While she is doing this I remind you that the head dr has the knee flexed and is watching over
On the lower joint she inserted the needle and did not hit it correctly. SHE THEN PULLED THE NEEDLE OUT AND ATTEMPTED TO REINSERT THE SAME NEEDLE in a different spot. THANK GOODNESS I was watching like a hawk and yelled at her to stop. Thankfully I caught her in time and yelled bloody murder. I am absolutely sick to my stomach that something like this could've happened and the negligence that was involved. If a less experienced person was in my position and did not understand the full risks of sanitation, it would have been a disaster
Just a PSA, if I had been on my phone, turned talking to someone, out of the room, etc, that Vet would have likely created a sepsis nightmare. Just a warning to everyone: WATCH LIKE A HAWK, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP, TRUST YOUR GUT, AND IF YOUR VETS NOT BROKE DONT CHANGE VETS.
My question is why did the vet have to change needles before injecting?
My vet does his practice a little different, he scrubs, puts on his sterile gloves, an assistant opens up the packaging for him to grab, the bottles are unopened, the tops are popped and cleansed with alcohol for 30 seconds before puncture, he doesn't change needles.
He draws up and injects.
Prior to him scrubbing, we scrub the area to be injected for 7 or 9 minutes, he times us, with chlorahexadine scrub, then alcohol after.
I agree if by some chance he can't do it, I discuss technique with the vet before hand.
Now believe prevention is key
Edited by cheryl makofka 2016-03-16 10:37 PM
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | epoh - 2016-03-15 9:32 PM Life Lesson Story, long but anyone who has every had their horse injected needs to read: My gelding was due to have his knee injected. He has recently been at a friend's house being legged up (4hrs away from me) so I decided to schedule with a well known, large equine facility that was on my way home instead of getting home and then having to drive an extra 2hrs to my personal vet. I decided to choose this place for 1) it is VERY well known University equine specialized facility & 2) since I mainly use a smaller equine Vet,, I was looking forward to different opinions and eyes that will pick up on new things and learning new info. Not listing the name, PM me if you're wanting. So after the exam I take my gelding to the room to get ready to get his injections. I heavily watched the vet school students as they scrubbed the knee because I am obsessive when it comes to that and most of them have never been around a horse before. The main Dr. was watching over a dvm graduate doing a residency, who had previously been at Rood & Riddle. She withdrew the HA & steroid in the syringe, was extremely careful putting gloves on but failed to change the need from the ones she withdrew with, to a clean set for injection. I asked her to please change needles and she did. At this point I had a gut feeling that I needed to leave, but the other part of me was like this is a well known facility?? She stuck the upper joint, fluid came out, and she injected it. While she is doing this I remind you that the head dr has the knee flexed and is watching over On the lower joint she inserted the needle and did not hit it correctly. SHE THEN PULLED THE NEEDLE OUT AND ATTEMPTED TO REINSERT THE SAME NEEDLE in a different spot. THANK GOODNESS I was watching like a hawk and yelled at her to stop. Thankfully I caught her in time and yelled bloody murder. I am absolutely sick to my stomach that something like this could've happened and the negligence that was involved. If a less experienced person was in my position and did not understand the full risks of sanitation, it would have been a disaster Just a PSA, if I had been on my phone, turned talking to someone, out of the room, etc, that Vet would have likely created a sepsis nightmare. Just a warning to everyone: WATCH LIKE A HAWK, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP, TRUST YOUR GUT, AND IF YOUR VETS NOT BROKE DONT CHANGE VETS.
if it truly went down as described in this post, there are a many clinics you would not have had to worry about wanting to leave. They would have asked you to leave.
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Location: sunny california | my vet would NEVER inject the same needle in twice. | |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | 1DSoon - 2016-03-17 6:23 AM epoh - 2016-03-15 9:32 PM Life Lesson Story, long but anyone who has every had their horse injected needs to read: My gelding was due to have his knee injected. He has recently been at a friend's house being legged up (4hrs away from me) so I decided to schedule with a well known, large equine facility that was on my way home instead of getting home and then having to drive an extra 2hrs to my personal vet. I decided to choose this place for 1) it is VERY well known University equine specialized facility & 2) since I mainly use a smaller equine Vet,, I was looking forward to different opinions and eyes that will pick up on new things and learning new info. Not listing the name, PM me if you're wanting. So after the exam I take my gelding to the room to get ready to get his injections. I heavily watched the vet school students as they scrubbed the knee because I am obsessive when it comes to that and most of them have never been around a horse before. The main Dr. was watching over a dvm graduate doing a residency, who had previously been at Rood & Riddle. She withdrew the HA & steroid in the syringe, was extremely careful putting gloves on but failed to change the need from the ones she withdrew with, to a clean set for injection. I asked her to please change needles and she did. At this point I had a gut feeling that I needed to leave, but the other part of me was like this is a well known facility?? She stuck the upper joint, fluid came out, and she injected it. While she is doing this I remind you that the head dr has the knee flexed and is watching over On the lower joint she inserted the needle and did not hit it correctly. SHE THEN PULLED THE NEEDLE OUT AND ATTEMPTED TO REINSERT THE SAME NEEDLE in a different spot. THANK GOODNESS I was watching like a hawk and yelled at her to stop. Thankfully I caught her in time and yelled bloody murder. I am absolutely sick to my stomach that something like this could've happened and the negligence that was involved. If a less experienced person was in my position and did not understand the full risks of sanitation, it would have been a disaster Just a PSA, if I had been on my phone, turned talking to someone, out of the room, etc, that Vet would have likely created a sepsis nightmare. Just a warning to everyone: WATCH LIKE A HAWK, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP, TRUST YOUR GUT, AND IF YOUR VETS NOT BROKE DONT CHANGE VETS. if it truly went down as described in this post, there are a many clinics you would not have had to worry about wanting to leave. They would have asked you to leave.
my vet has never asked me to leave...im the one holding my horse.....good eye op.....
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Location: Kentucky | mruggles - 2016-03-16 11:11 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-17 6:23 AM epoh - 2016-03-15 9:32 PM Life Lesson Story, long but anyone who has every had their horse injected needs to read: My gelding was due to have his knee injected. He has recently been at a friend's house being legged up (4hrs away from me) so I decided to schedule with a well known, large equine facility that was on my way home instead of getting home and then having to drive an extra 2hrs to my personal vet. I decided to choose this place for 1) it is VERY well known University equine specialized facility & 2) since I mainly use a smaller equine Vet,, I was looking forward to different opinions and eyes that will pick up on new things and learning new info. Not listing the name, PM me if you're wanting. So after the exam I take my gelding to the room to get ready to get his injections. I heavily watched the vet school students as they scrubbed the knee because I am obsessive when it comes to that and most of them have never been around a horse before. The main Dr. was watching over a dvm graduate doing a residency, who had previously been at Rood & Riddle. She withdrew the HA & steroid in the syringe, was extremely careful putting gloves on but failed to change the need from the ones she withdrew with, to a clean set for injection. I asked her to please change needles and she did. At this point I had a gut feeling that I needed to leave, but the other part of me was like this is a well known facility?? She stuck the upper joint, fluid came out, and she injected it. While she is doing this I remind you that the head dr has the knee flexed and is watching over On the lower joint she inserted the needle and did not hit it correctly. SHE THEN PULLED THE NEEDLE OUT AND ATTEMPTED TO REINSERT THE SAME NEEDLE in a different spot. THANK GOODNESS I was watching like a hawk and yelled at her to stop. Thankfully I caught her in time and yelled bloody murder. I am absolutely sick to my stomach that something like this could've happened and the negligence that was involved. If a less experienced person was in my position and did not understand the full risks of sanitation, it would have been a disaster Just a PSA, if I had been on my phone, turned talking to someone, out of the room, etc, that Vet would have likely created a sepsis nightmare. Just a warning to everyone: WATCH LIKE A HAWK, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP, TRUST YOUR GUT, AND IF YOUR VETS NOT BROKE DONT CHANGE VETS. if it truly went down as described in this post, there are a many clinics you would not have had to worry about wanting to leave. They would have asked you to leave.
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I think the "yelling bloody murder" would be a little offputting....maybe that's what 1Dsoon means... | |
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| Mine is obsessive about cleanliness and needles to. I actually put on gloves and help her scrub the area that she is injecting. | |
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| Murphy - 2016-03-16 10:24 AM
mruggles - 2016-03-16 11:11 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-17 6:23 AM epoh - 2016-03-15 9:32 PM Life Lesson Story, long but anyone who has every had their horse injected needs to read: My gelding was due to have his knee injected. He has recently been at a friend's house being legged up (4hrs away from me) so I decided to schedule with a well known, large equine facility that was on my way home instead of getting home and then having to drive an extra 2hrs to my personal vet. I decided to choose this place for 1) it is VERY well known University equine specialized facility & 2) since I mainly use a smaller equine Vet,, I was looking forward to different opinions and eyes that will pick up on new things and learning new info. Not listing the name, PM me if you're wanting. So after the exam I take my gelding to the room to get ready to get his injections. I heavily watched the vet school students as they scrubbed the knee because I am obsessive when it comes to that and most of them have never been around a horse before. The main Dr. was watching over a dvm graduate doing a residency, who had previously been at Rood & Riddle. She withdrew the HA & steroid in the syringe, was extremely careful putting gloves on but failed to change the need from the ones she withdrew with, to a clean set for injection. I asked her to please change needles and she did. At this point I had a gut feeling that I needed to leave, but the other part of me was like this is a well known facility?? She stuck the upper joint, fluid came out, and she injected it. While she is doing this I remind you that the head dr has the knee flexed and is watching over On the lower joint she inserted the needle and did not hit it correctly. SHE THEN PULLED THE NEEDLE OUT AND ATTEMPTED TO REINSERT THE SAME NEEDLE in a different spot. THANK GOODNESS I was watching like a hawk and yelled at her to stop. Thankfully I caught her in time and yelled bloody murder. I am absolutely sick to my stomach that something like this could've happened and the negligence that was involved. If a less experienced person was in my position and did not understand the full risks of sanitation, it would have been a disaster Just a PSA, if I had been on my phone, turned talking to someone, out of the room, etc, that Vet would have likely created a sepsis nightmare. Just a warning to everyone: WATCH LIKE A HAWK, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP, TRUST YOUR GUT, AND IF YOUR VETS NOT BROKE DONT CHANGE VETS. if it truly went down as described in this post, there are a many clinics you would not have had to worry about wanting to leave. They would have asked you to leave.
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Yes, I yelled very loudly at the vet to stop and grab another needle. It was a split second ordeal between inserting the SAME Needle or a different one, so overreaction/loudly yelling during this time is needed. This place has an indoor arena to do lameness exams and has the lameness locator. Also, one of the top repo places also in the country. This was just a PSA to always watch. I would have NEVER in my life suspected this to happen at a facility like this, and it to even cross a dvm's mind to reinsert the same needle
Edited by epoh 2016-03-16 11:41 AM
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I just read the headlines
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| I don't think the OP was out of line at all, especially after reading some posts on here about infections due to joint injections. Thanks for the heads up. | |
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Location: Texas | Just saw this picture on facebook for those of you who don't know the affects on the needle. | |
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| outrundaizy - 2016-03-17 12:28 AM
Just saw this picture on facebook for those of you who don't know the affects on the needle.
I think this is what you were trying to post
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I don't think you can ever be to picky about who is injecting your horse or the conditions under which it is done. I want the most experienced, precise and picky vet I can get working in a sterile field and taking ever sanitary precaution possible.
I cringe when I see vets at big barrel races working in stalls, aisles and wash racks with people and horses walking all around, over and thru. Looks to me like a septic joint waiting to happen. | |
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Location: Phoenix | Thank you for the head's up. | |
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| I guess I have been blessed with a wonderful vet, Dr Stephan Hance @ EMA in Edmond, Okla. Snickers got hock injections & never once did she have a problem afterwards. My mare I run now, Heidi gets stifle injections with Dr White in Sallisaw & has NEVER had a problem.
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| I have had to make a comment about them cleaning the injection site before. It is my horse and my responsibility to try and make sure I still have a horse in 2 weeks. This girl doing the scrubbing on that side would scrub then go up above where she was scrubbing with alcohol and wipe down through everything she had been scrubbing. I watched her do this 3 times then spoke up and the girl on the other side agreed and said you can't do it like that. There were 3 other clients in the room when it happened.
I had recently had a friend loose a horse to this happening and the horse ended up a that clinic for them to try saving it so I knew the vet would know where I was coming from. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I can't speak to vets, because I've only had joints injected by one vet, but when it comes to sloppy aseptic technique, horse owners themselves take the cake. I have seen people give shots IM and IV without any prep whatsoever. Then, they blame the drug for causing the abscess. Many re-use needles, not just in the same horse, but others as well. Some save old dirty needles and use them over, rather than pay 10 cents for a new, sterile needle. Watching some of these people is a real time example of how people did things back in the Middle Ages. | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Bear - 2016-03-20 12:56 PM I can't speak to vets, because I've only had joints injected by one vet, but when it comes to sloppy aseptic technique, horse owners themselves take the cake. I have seen people give shots IM and IV without any prep whatsoever. Then, they blame the drug for causing the abscess. Many re-use needles, not just in the same horse, but others as well. Some save old dirty needles and use them over, rather than pay 10 cents for a new, sterile needle. Watching some of these people is a real time example of how people did things back in the Middle Ages.
If you think horse people are bad, you should see when they vaccinate cows. | |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-03-20 7:34 PM
Bear - 2016-03-20 12:56 PM I can't speak to vets, because I've only had joints injected by one vet, but when it comes to sloppy aseptic technique, horse owners themselves take the cake. I have seen people give shots IM and IV without any prep whatsoever. Then, they blame the drug for causing the abscess. Many re-use needles, not just in the same horse, but others as well. Some save old dirty needles and use them over, rather than pay 10 cents for a new, sterile needle. Watching some of these people is a real time example of how people did things back in the Middle Ages.
If you think horse people are bad, you should see when they vaccinate cows.
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Location: The edge of no where | GLP - 2016-03-20 8:49 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-03-20 7:34 PM Bear - 2016-03-20 12:56 PM I can't speak to vets, because I've only had joints injected by one vet, but when it comes to sloppy aseptic technique, horse owners themselves take the cake. I have seen people give shots IM and IV without any prep whatsoever. Then, they blame the drug for causing the abscess. Many re-use needles, not just in the same horse, but others as well. Some save old dirty needles and use them over, rather than pay 10 cents for a new, sterile needle. Watching some of these people is a real time example of how people did things back in the Middle Ages. If you think horse people are bad, you should see when they vaccinate cows. Lol, yeah!
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