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| I feed my own blend of Whole oats/Rolled Barley/Stabilized Rice bran mix. Just enough to get supplements into my horses. I was having a debate today with someone who considers my mix a SWEET FEED. I do realize oats do have sugar and Barley to, but I consider a sweet feed something like Omelene with molasses, corn, and a sticky horse feed. Just curious how everyone defines " Sweet feed" Thanks! |
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| THanks. I didn't think so. lol I am interested in the Daupolo Excel stomach formula and it says right on the container in caps " DO NOT FEED WITH SWEET FEED". That's how my debate started. THanks! |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | I just learned the hard, expensive way after a $200 vet bill, plus throwing away $100 worth of feed...the word you need to concern yourself with is not "sweet", but STARCH...how much structured and unstructured STARCH is your performance horse getting? Apparently, high starch is very bad...low starch is good. Ultium by Purina for performance horses is apparently a very good feed. I know oats convert to sugar which is starch, don't know about barley. Find a knowledgeable person with whom to have this discussion, it's really not me, yet, anyway. My good barrel horse wound up with PSSM, something I knew nothing about...it's like tying up, sort of. Caused by high starch low fat feed. Who knew? Not me! |
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| Oh my goodness same!!! Just took her off oats (not my feed but was the only thing available) and it had an NSC of 50 and just the few weeks shes been off shes totally different, never even tied up luckily |
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| Both of my horses look amazing on ultium but even in small amounts they go absolutely bonkers on it! Lol the creator of Curost makes some good points. Commercial feeds are processed and have a lot of synthetic ingredients vitamins and minerals. It's his feeling that the NSC might be higher but it's what horses were designed to eat and far better than a commercial feed. I have some more thinking to do. Lol dr Dupaolo with excel says you should only feed alfalfa or grass pellets. No grains what so ever. Who knows what to do. Lol |
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| It is a conundrum for sure. All I know for sure is for my particular horse, processed feeds are poison to him. He has never looked better than he does now on his Omni cubes and coastal hay and Cur Ost. Thankfully, for now my feed regimen is set and I am RELIEVED! Lol |
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| GLP - 2016-03-19 10:18 PM
It is a conundrum for sure. All I know for sure is for my particular horse, processed feeds are poison to him. He has never looked better than he does now on his Omni cubes and coastal hay and Cur Ost. Thankfully, for now my feed regimen is set and I am RELIEVED! Lol
I know GLP! I wish I could get omni cubes out here! My horses are doing great in Curost green/Nourish!! But i would like to keep them on a daily stomach formula and the Daupolo formula is very similar to Curost but much more affordable. Same price but you get a 115 day supply vs 28! They do not recommend whole grains at all. Lol. No commercial feeds, never again. My horses don't look or do well on them either. |
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Location: Florida.. | CrossCreek - 2016-03-19 11:40 PM I just learned the hard, expensive way after a $200 vet bill, plus throwing away $100 worth of feed...the word you need to concern yourself with is not "sweet", but STARCH...how much structured and unstructured STARCH is your performance horse getting? Apparently, high starch is very bad...low starch is good. Ultium by Purina for performance horses is apparently a very good feed. I know oats convert to sugar which is starch, don't know about barley. Find a knowledgeable person with whom to have this discussion, it's really not me, yet, anyway. My good barrel horse wound up with PSSM, something I knew nothing about...it's like tying up, sort of. Caused by high starch low fat feed. Who knew? Not me! true but that wasnt what she had asked ..
but your correct high starch is not a good thing at all. Id call the makers of it and specify what they consider because you want to make sure what not to feed.. high NSC or something else.. They may mean anything with a high NCS or they may mean sweet feed in general..
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Location: ND | CrossCreek - 2016-03-19 9:40 PM I just learned the hard, expensive way after a $200 vet bill, plus throwing away $100 worth of feed...the word you need to concern yourself with is not "sweet", but STARCH...how much structured and unstructured STARCH is your performance horse getting? Apparently, high starch is very bad...low starch is good. Ultium by Purina for performance horses is apparently a very good feed. I know oats convert to sugar which is starch, don't know about barley. Find a knowledgeable person with whom to have this discussion, it's really not me, yet, anyway. My good barrel horse wound up with PSSM, something I knew nothing about...it's like tying up, sort of. Caused by high starch low fat feed. Who knew? Not me!
PSSM is genetic. It is correct that PSSM horses need a low starch diet, but the feed is not what caused your horse to have PSSM.
OP, no I would not consider what you are using a sweet feed. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-03-20 4:55 AM
GLP - 2016-03-19 10:18 PM
It is a conundrum for sure. All I know for sure is for my particular horse, processed feeds are poison to him. He has never looked better than he does now on his Omni cubes and coastal hay and Cur Ost. Thankfully, for now my feed regimen is set and I am RELIEVED! Lol
I know GLP! I wish I could get omni cubes out here! My horses are doing great in Curost green/Nourish!! But i would like to keep them on a daily stomach formula and the Daupolo formula is very similar to Curost but much more affordable. Same price but you get a 115 day supply vs 28! They do not recommend whole grains at all. Lol. No commercial feeds, never again. My horses don't look or do well on them either.
I am lucky in that I have only one horse with problems! But I if I didn't have the cubes, I wouldn't have any problem feeding cubes/hay and oats and flaxseed separately. It's just so darn easy with them all in one cube, lol. I do have my daughter's filly that is having ulcer problems and I have looked at Dr. DePaulo's mix. I, too, maybe trying that out. I understand not being able to feed every horse I have Cur Ost. |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | SaraJean - 2016-03-20 8:13 AM CrossCreek - 2016-03-19 9:40 PM I just learned the hard, expensive way after a $200 vet bill, plus throwing away $100 worth of feed...the word you need to concern yourself with is not "sweet", but STARCH...how much structured and unstructured STARCH is your performance horse getting? Apparently, high starch is very bad...low starch is good. Ultium by Purina for performance horses is apparently a very good feed. I know oats convert to sugar which is starch, don't know about barley. Find a knowledgeable person with whom to have this discussion, it's really not me, yet, anyway. My good barrel horse wound up with PSSM, something I knew nothing about...it's like tying up, sort of. Caused by high starch low fat feed. Who knew? Not me! PSSM is genetic. It is correct that PSSM horses need a low starch diet, but the feed is not what caused your horse to have PSSM.
OP, no I would not consider what you are using a sweet feed.
I was under the impression from my vet that the high starch in her feed caused her to be very muscle sore, which he called pssm. If it wasn't the feed, then what could it have been? There's been nothing unusual going on? |
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Location: Tenn. | FLITASTIC - 2016-03-19 8:40 PM I feed my own blend of Whole oats/Rolled Barley/Stabilized Rice bran mix. Just enough to get supplements into my horses. I was having a debate today with someone who considers my mix a SWEET FEED. I do realize oats do have sugar and Barley to, but I consider a sweet feed something like Omelene with molasses, corn, and a sticky horse feed. Just curious how everyone defines " Sweet feed" Thanks!
We have a custom blend that sounds very similar to yours, except I add alfalfa pellets and soy bean meal (to add fat). Our horses have never looked better. I have never considered our feed a "sweet feed". In my opinion MOLASSES is the main ingredient in sweet feed. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | CrossCreek - 2016-03-20 10:25 AM SaraJean - 2016-03-20 8:13 AM CrossCreek - 2016-03-19 9:40 PM I just learned the hard, expensive way after a $200 vet bill, plus throwing away $100 worth of feed...the word you need to concern yourself with is not "sweet", but STARCH...how much structured and unstructured STARCH is your performance horse getting? Apparently, high starch is very bad...low starch is good. Ultium by Purina for performance horses is apparently a very good feed. I know oats convert to sugar which is starch, don't know about barley. Find a knowledgeable person with whom to have this discussion, it's really not me, yet, anyway. My good barrel horse wound up with PSSM, something I knew nothing about...it's like tying up, sort of. Caused by high starch low fat feed. Who knew? Not me! PSSM is genetic. It is correct that PSSM horses need a low starch diet, but the feed is not what caused your horse to have PSSM.
OP, no I would not consider what you are using a sweet feed.
The feed brought on the symptoms. The condition is genetic. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | RaschPerformanceQHS - 2016-03-20 10:33 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-03-19 8:40 PM I feed my own blend of Whole oats/Rolled Barley/Stabilized Rice bran mix. Just enough to get supplements into my horses. I was having a debate today with someone who considers my mix a SWEET FEED. I do realize oats do have sugar and Barley to, but I consider a sweet feed something like Omelene with molasses, corn, and a sticky horse feed. Just curious how everyone defines " Sweet feed" Thanks! We have a custom blend that sounds very similar to yours, except I add alfalfa pellets and soy bean meal (to add fat). Our horses have never looked better. I have never considered our feed a "sweet feed". In my opinion MOLASSES is the main ingredient in sweet feed.
Are you feeding whole ground soybeans? The regular meal is defatted, a by-product of oil extraction, and only contains 3-6% fat, so I'm curious. |
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Location: ND | CrossCreek - 2016-03-20 9:25 AM SaraJean - 2016-03-20 8:13 AM CrossCreek - 2016-03-19 9:40 PM I just learned the hard, expensive way after a $200 vet bill, plus throwing away $100 worth of feed...the word you need to concern yourself with is not "sweet", but STARCH...how much structured and unstructured STARCH is your performance horse getting? Apparently, high starch is very bad...low starch is good. Ultium by Purina for performance horses is apparently a very good feed. I know oats convert to sugar which is starch, don't know about barley. Find a knowledgeable person with whom to have this discussion, it's really not me, yet, anyway. My good barrel horse wound up with PSSM, something I knew nothing about...it's like tying up, sort of. Caused by high starch low fat feed. Who knew? Not me! PSSM is genetic. It is correct that PSSM horses need a low starch diet, but the feed is not what caused your horse to have PSSM.
OP, no I would not consider what you are using a sweet feed.
Has your horse been tested for PSSM? Horses can tie up and not be carriers of PSSM. But if your horse truly is a PSSM carrier then the feed would have been what brought the symptoms on but the PSSM itself is a genetic disorder that he would have inherited from one of his parents. |
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| I wouldn't consider your mix sweet feed. I'm currently feeding purina strategy healthy edge and my in laws call it sweet feed lol! The feed reminds me a lot of the purina ultium, consistency wise. My horses love it and I'm actually pretty impressed with it so far. |
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Location: Tenn. | Three 4 Luck - 2016-03-20 10:42 AM
RaschPerformanceQHS - 2016-03-20 10:33 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-03-19 8:40 PM I feed my own blend of Whole oats/Rolled Barley/Stabilized Rice bran mix. Just enough to get supplements into my horses. I was having a debate today with someone who considers my mix a SWEET FEED. I do realize oats do have sugar and Barley to, but I consider a sweet feed something like Omelene with molasses, corn, and a sticky horse feed. Just curious how everyone defines " Sweet feed" Thanks! We have a custom blend that sounds very similar to yours, except I add alfalfa pellets and soy bean meal (to add fat). Our horses have never looked better. I have never considered our feed a "sweet feed". In my opinion MOLASSES is the main ingredient in sweet feed.
I honestly am not sure. The gentleman that owns the feed mill has been mixing our feed for a few years now and I had mentioned to him that I wanted to add a little extra fat to it. He recommended soybean meal and said that a lot of horses really look great on it. I am going to have to ask him the next time we go and get feed and see what he says. |
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Location: Texas | GLP - 2016-03-20 12:18 AM
It is a conundrum for sure. All I know for sure is for my particular horse, processed feeds are poison to him. He has never looked better than he does now on his Omni cubes and coastal hay and Cur Ost. Thankfully, for now my feed regimen is set and I am RELIEVED! Lol
How do you feed the CurOst with the Omni cubes? Are you wetting the cubes? My horse that needs the CurOst products hates cubes! :( |
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| TBone - 2016-03-20 4:42 PM
GLP - 2016-03-20 12:18 AM
It is a conundrum for sure. All I know for sure is for my particular horse, processed feeds are poison to him. He has never looked better than he does now on his Omni cubes and coastal hay and Cur Ost. Thankfully, for now my feed regimen is set and I am RELIEVED! Lol
How do you feed the CurOst with the Omni cubes? Are you wetting the cubes? My horse that needs the CurOst products hates cubes! : (
Nope I don't wet them due to the whole flaxseed. I have found that once they get used to the taste of the Cur Ost, they shove the cubes aside to get to the Cur Ost. I have one right now though who isn't taking to the Stomach but she needs it full strength so I bought the Purina hydration alfalfa blocks that you just add water to. In a couple of days I'll go back to the cubes and see if she eats it that way. Right now she is eating it with no problem with the hydration hay. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Grains are high in starch but are not called "sweet feed". Sweet feed has molasses or some other sweetener mixed in to encourage the animal to eat it. I assume by RB you mean rice bran? Also not a sweet feed.
But starch is utilized as sugar when processed by the horse. Horses with PSSM 1 or 2 have problems processing starch or sugar. Molasses just adds another layer of something they can't process correctly. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | OregonBR - 2016-03-21 12:29 PM
Grains are high in starch but are not called "sweet feed". Sweet feed has molasses or some other sweetener mixed in to encourage the animal to eat it. I assume by RB you mean rice bran? Also not a sweet feed.
But starch is utilized as sugar when processed by the horse. Horses with PSSM 1 or 2 have problems processing starch or sugar. Molasses just adds another layer of something they can't process correctly.
This! You can have a pelleted feed that is not sweet but has a high NSC (non-soluble carbohydrate) count. At the end of the day, sweet to me means just that, added sweetener, almost always molasses. |
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Location: West Texas | I would not consider it a sweet feed at all. As mentioned sweet feeds are typically molasses coated and are fortified over what are generally referred to as grain mixes. One thing to note is that pellets can have quite a bit of molasses too. I would label Ultium a sweet feed, due to molasses being the 4th ingredient, and coming before all of the following: Dried Beet Pulp, Stabilized Rice Bran, Soybean Oil, Vegetable Oil, Ground Oat Hulls, Ground Corn, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Flaxseed. |
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Would you consider Whole Oats/Barley/RB sweet feed?