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| What are your thoughts on teeth floating by an equine dentist versus a vet? For a little back story...last spring I had my vet do a yearly check on my new horse and had him check his mouth...he said his teeth are fine and I can wait until February or so to get them floated. That summer I went to a Charmayne James clinic and had Randy Riedinger look at his teeth. They were all wavy and totally not balanced and he had some small sores in his mouth (I looked) so I had him worked on. It took probably an hour and a half maybe two hours until he was happy with them. I would love a vet that specializes in dentistry but we don't have one around here...on one hand I understand that dentists don't go through vet school, but on the other hand it is almost like I wouldn't want my primary doctor to work on my teeth. Of course if I were to use a dentist, they would be assisted by a vet to sedate:)
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Location: Oxford, Kansas | I use a dentist.. I have the same philosophy as you.. I don't want a doc working on my teeth. I want a specialist. |
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| I use an equine dentist. Most vets will try to convince you the horse doesnt need as much done to the teeth while dentists will tell you vets dont do enough. It can be a personal preference really. But I go with the one who actually studied how the teeth should be in order for the horse to operate properly. As far as the sedation, my dentist does it all himself. Im actually thinking he told me they learn that in dentist school but I cant remember. |
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| I use my vet, he is good. I went to a clinic and equine dentist said his teeth looked great. I have been using him for the past few years, no one has ever had sores or waves. He shows me each horses mouth. |
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| I haven't had an actual vet work on my horses teeth but have loved the equine dentist I have found. She explains every little detail. :) |
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Location: The edge of no where | I've been much happier with an equine dentist. I want someone that specializes in teeth to be working on them. |
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Location: Deep South | I use an equine dentist if at all possible. In a pinch, I'll use my vet, only when my dentist can't get to me. The vet will get me by, but there's a huge difference in the feel of their mouths for me. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Equine dentist all the way. |
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Location: ND | As with anything it depends on the quality of the vet/dentist you are using. I have had equine dentists that I'm very happy with & others that have taken off so much tooth that my horses couldn't eat anything but soaked beet pulp & alfalfa pellets for over a week. I've had a vet so bad that he couldn't find a blind wolf tooth (even though there was a large irritated bump on the gum line where it was). Currently I am using my vet and very happy with him. |
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| I much prefer a vet, but I am not afraid to ask around for a vet that is good with teeth. I went to a dentist once and it was a type of deal where we all booked this guy and met at someones house for the day and he did like 15 head or something. He sedated a horse just before mine and horse went completely down, not just sedated. All I heard was " Oops, little to much I guess". THey had to call a vet. I loaded up and have used my vet ever since but she was a track vet who has done LOTS OF TEETH. |
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Location: Pittsburg, Texas | Totally Equine Dentist!! Josh Harvey of Outlaw Equine in Decatur has a great Equine Dentist on Staff. |
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Location: In my own world | It doesn't matter to me if they are a vet or a dentist, only matters that they know what they are doing!! I had an equine dentist who went to classes every year and he jacked up my old mares teeth and pulled a tooth that didn't need to be pulled. I now travel 1.5 hrs one way to go to my vet(he used to be close to me and moved) who is excellent with teeth. He let me feel the waves and un even spots in my mares mouth. With young horses and old horses you have to have someone that knows what they are doing. he is the only one that will touch my horses teeth. I did have one other vet that did a good job, but he moved to CO |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Titles are just titles. You find the person that does the job best. |
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| Thank you everyone! I have been asking around to find someone so hopefully I can find someone who is trusted and knows what they are doing! My horse was a totally different horse after his teeth were fixed, so teeth are pretty important to me now! lol |
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Location: Phoenix | horsiace1025 - 2016-03-23 5:07 AM I use an equine dentist. Most vets will try to convince you the horse doesnt need as much done to the teeth while dentists will tell you vets dont do enough. It can be a personal preference really. But I go with the one who actually studied how the teeth should be in order for the horse to operate properly. As far as the sedation, my dentist does it all himself. Im actually thinking he told me they learn that in dentist school but I cant remember.
This is what I run into.
We had a dentist out at the barn and I opted out of using the guy because I don't really trust the judgement of the person that had him out. Anyways, my friend had her old mare done and she ended up choking later that week. The vet that came out said he had taken too much off and everything was uneven. Yikes!!! I think I'll use that vet this time around. I guess she really showed my friend what she was doing when she was out to fix up the job and I like that. |
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| I am for always using a vet. I want someone who went to vet school working on my horse. Who has studied the whole horse and who can sedate if necessary. Just because one vet was not good, does not mean that an equine dentist is better. Ask around for a vet that is recommended for good dentistry or who specializes in dentistry. |
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| My experience is some vets actually have went to dental school so they can feel proficient in floating teeth.
My vet always told me to ask if they have the specific tool to pull each tooth in the horses mouth. I have asked many and they all look at me funny. Each tooth has a specialized tool to pull the tooth, if the dentist doesn't know this, they are not getting close to my horse |
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Location: California | I use my vet. He's an equine only vet that I am vet happy with! After all my bad luck and all the money I've spent at other places that ended up wasted money, I'll pay more to have my vet do it. In Texas an equine dentist can not sedate an animal. I would rather have my horse sedated for everyones safety then to risk the horse having a fit. Many people do their horses without sedation and that's their choice. My vet also uses power tools which I was 100% against until he showed me why he uses them. There are simply send places you can not get to with hand tools that you can with power tools. Human dentists use power tools on people everyday, if the person knows what they are doing that's all that matters. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Vet. I have seen it go both ways with friends horses. It depends on the person doing the work. My vet shows me exactly what is wrong, I feel and see before and after and have never had any issues with her doing the work. She came very highly recommended in the area. |
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| I think this is a great topic to discuss! I'm currently in veterinary school right now, and so far in our curriculum, we have had some equine dentistry (several lectures, hands on wet labs). I know this does not compare to the base of knowledge that an equine dentist may have, thus bringing up the dilemma of vet vs dentist. I personally have a strong interest in equine dentistry, so I am pursuing as many options as possible to get as much information and experience before graduating. I can say so far that the information we have gotten so far in school is enough that a vet (who does not do teeth) should be able to recommend if they need done or not (whether they actually do them or send you some where). Like so many others on here have said, its really the person using the tools that you need to be concerned the most with, not so much the title. I can say though, that an advantage to a vet doing dentals is the fact that they should be looking at the entire horse, not just the teeth. Not always are the teeth the problem, and a vet can help identify other issues much easier then an equine dentist. A vet has a minimum of 4 years of professional training to consider the entire picture, which I think is very beneficial.
Ultimately, I don't like to see people discredit all vets as not knowing a horse's teeth like a lay dentist would, because that is not the case for all vets. I take my horses to a board certified equine dentist (so he is a DVM board certified in equine dentistry), and he is very thorough. He does physicals on the horses prior to sedation, to ensure they are safely sedated. He also has other medical supplies if something would happen during the procedure. Overall, I think you need to do your research on who you use, whether its a vet or lay person, and understand the risk of using a layperson (if something goes wrong who do you go to since they aren't licensed?). 
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Red3 - 2016-03-25 9:01 AM I think this is a great topic to discuss! I'm currently in veterinary school right now, and so far in our curriculum, we have had some equine dentistry (several lectures, hands on wet labs ). I know this does not compare to the base of knowledge that an equine dentist may have, thus bringing up the dilemma of vet vs dentist. I personally have a strong interest in equine dentistry, so I am pursuing as many options as possible to get as much information and experience before graduating. I can say so far that the information we have gotten so far in school is enough that a vet (who does not do teeth ) should be able to recommend if they need done or not (whether they actually do them or send you some where ). Like so many others on here have said, its really the person using the tools that you need to be concerned the most with, not so much the title. I can say though, that an advantage to a vet doing dentals is the fact that they should be looking at the entire horse, not just the teeth. Not always are the teeth the problem, and a vet can help identify other issues much easier then an equine dentist. A vet has a minimum of 4 years of professional training to consider the entire picture, which I think is very beneficial. Ultimately, I don't like to see people discredit all vets as not knowing a horse's teeth like a lay dentist would, because that is not the case for all vets. I take my horses to a board certified equine dentist (so he is a DVM board certified in equine dentistry ), and he is very thorough. He does physicals on the horses prior to sedation, to ensure they are safely sedated. He also has other medical supplies if something would happen during the procedure. Overall, I think you need to do your research on who you use, whether its a vet or lay person, and understand the risk of using a layperson (if something goes wrong who do you go to since they aren't licensed? ).
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Location: Missouri | I use my vet. Personal preference. I had a bad experience with an equine "dentist".
But, I have a little soapbox comment:
An equine dentist goes through a few months of training at best. They may be good teeth floaters, but they are not medical professionals.
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Location: Willows, CA | I find that a lot of Vets really don't like to do teeth. Because of this they often put a thumb in the corner of the horses mouth, check the outside edge of the uppers and declare that the horse is good to go for another six months. When this happens, the inside of the lowers are not checked. This is where hooks are missed that cause the horse pain and lead to chewing less than they comfortably would. This leads to a bunch of digestive problems from ulcers to failures to thrive. With the feeding programs that I design, I rely on getting efficient digestion of the roughage part of the diet. This is not possible if a horse has a sore mouth and that roughage is not properly chewed. Because of this I prefer an experienced equine dentist to keep teeth up to ideal condition.
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Location: Heart of Texas | I don't think there's a right or a wrong. A lot of personal preferences play a role. Some people like someone to come to them. Some like their vet so much they couldn't imagine putting their horses health in anothers hands. I personally have my vet do it. I love his facilities and belive he does a great job. Plus I get my annual exam done and usually a coggins. So I kill all birds with one stone. I've started to vaccinate myself so I try to make my visits count. |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | Equine Dentist all the way. And he does the sedation. You'll be hard pressed to find an equine dentist who will let a vet "assist" and do the sedation. Around here, one of the vets has it out for the equine dentists and likes to file complaints against them. I probably trust my dentist more than I do one of the local vets. In fact, i pick up my vaccines from the vet when I know the dentist is coming and I ask the dentist to administer the vaccinations also.
I had a mare that had extremely sensitive skin and was very difficult to go near with a needle. So my dentist would bring his wife. We had to use a lip chain with her to sedate her and to get the llip chain on, we had to put a bit in first. He knew how difficult she was so always scheduled me when his wife could assist with the difficult mare. I really appreciated that and I really trusted him and his wife to handle my mare so that no humans or horses were hurt.
I only want somebody who sedates and uses power tools. Most of the vets around here only use hand tools.
That being said, i know there are vets out there that do a great job and use power tools but none of them live near me. |
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Location: Texas | I'm a 3rd year vet student at TAMU-CVM and I've taken every opportunity to build on my knowledge base for dentistry. We have annual wet labs where we work on cadavers, and its built into our curriculum 3rd year for all students. Additionally, I took an additional equine dentistry elective where I really polished my skills with teeth.
It is technically "easy" to float teeth- that is the LAST thing we are taught to do. What is not "easy" is understanding all of the anatomy and physiology of the rest of the horse, how to see minor changes that can mean major things. How to identify problems that other people aren't trained to see.
But- you get what you put in. Don't expect your dog and cat vet to do a decent job floating teeth if you are one of 20 horses they float annually. Find a vet who says I LIKE DENTISTRY (like me haha) and don't use just any vet due to convenience.
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Location: Texas | Red3 - 2016-03-25 10:01 AM
I think this is a great topic to discuss! I'm currently in veterinary school right now, and so far in our curriculum, we have had some equine dentistry (several lectures, hands on wet labs ). I know this does not compare to the base of knowledge that an equine dentist may have, thus bringing up the dilemma of vet vs dentist. I personally have a strong interest in equine dentistry, so I am pursuing as many options as possible to get as much information and experience before graduating. I can say so far that the information we have gotten so far in school is enough that a vet (who does not do teeth ) should be able to recommend if they need done or not (whether they actually do them or send you some where ). Like so many others on here have said, its really the person using the tools that you need to be concerned the most with, not so much the title. I can say though, that an advantage to a vet doing dentals is the fact that they should be looking at the entire horse, not just the teeth. Not always are the teeth the problem, and a vet can help identify other issues much easier then an equine dentist. A vet has a minimum of 4 years of professional training to consider the entire picture, which I think is very beneficial.
Ultimately, I don't like to see people discredit all vets as not knowing a horse's teeth like a lay dentist would, because that is not the case for all vets. I take my horses to a board certified equine dentist (so he is a DVM board certified in equine dentistry ), and he is very thorough. He does physicals on the horses prior to sedation, to ensure they are safely sedated. He also has other medical supplies if something would happen during the procedure. Overall, I think you need to do your research on who you use, whether its a vet or lay person, and understand the risk of using a layperson (if something goes wrong who do you go to since they aren't licensed? ).
Where are you going to vet school?
Also want to add, there is recourse the owner can take to protect themselves if a vet messes up. There's not really much they can do if a lay person messes up. You can complain to our vet boards and actually get disciplinary action on a vet who does something awful.. if a lay dentist screws up theres not much you can do to rectify it. |
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Location: The South | Not wanting to hijack the thread, but does anyone know if there's an online database for finding board certified dentists? Or if anyone knows of someone good that is around Central AR could you PM me please?  |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | barlracr429 - 2016-03-25 12:31 PM Equine Dentist all the way. And he does the sedation. You'll be hard pressed to find an equine dentist who will let a vet "assist" and do the sedation. Around here, one of the vets has it out for the equine dentists and likes to file complaints against them. I probably trust my dentist more than I do one of the local vets. In fact, i pick up my vaccines from the vet when I know the dentist is coming and I ask the dentist to administer the vaccinations also.
I had a mare that had extremely sensitive skin and was very difficult to go near with a needle. So my dentist would bring his wife. We had to use a lip chain with her to sedate her and to get the llip chain on, we had to put a bit in first. He knew how difficult she was so always scheduled me when his wife could assist with the difficult mare. I really appreciated that and I really trusted him and his wife to handle my mare so that no humans or horses were hurt.
I only want somebody who sedates and uses power tools. Most of the vets around here only use hand tools.
That being said, i know there are vets out there that do a great job and use power tools but none of them live near me.
I think any equine dentist that administers vaccines is a law suit waiting to happen for them...I have given my own vaccines for 15+ yrs, but you will never catch me giving any to my best friends horses.
I also thought it was very bad business for them to give a sedation. That is the reason some dentists will have a vet give it. |
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Location: Midwest | wyoming barrel racer - 2016-03-25 2:21 PM barlracr429 - 2016-03-25 12:31 PM Equine Dentist all the way. And he does the sedation. You'll be hard pressed to find an equine dentist who will let a vet "assist" and do the sedation. Around here, one of the vets has it out for the equine dentists and likes to file complaints against them. I probably trust my dentist more than I do one of the local vets. In fact, i pick up my vaccines from the vet when I know the dentist is coming and I ask the dentist to administer the vaccinations also.
I had a mare that had extremely sensitive skin and was very difficult to go near with a needle. So my dentist would bring his wife. We had to use a lip chain with her to sedate her and to get the llip chain on, we had to put a bit in first. He knew how difficult she was so always scheduled me when his wife could assist with the difficult mare. I really appreciated that and I really trusted him and his wife to handle my mare so that no humans or horses were hurt.
I only want somebody who sedates and uses power tools. Most of the vets around here only use hand tools.
That being said, i know there are vets out there that do a great job and use power tools but none of them live near me. I think any equine dentist that administers vaccines is a law suit waiting to happen for them...I have given my own vaccines for 15+ yrs, but you will never catch me giving any to my best friends horses.
I also thought it was very bad business for them to give a sedation. That is the reason some dentists will have a vet give it.
It is illegal in many states for a lay person to sedate or give vaccines, drugs, etc. It is considered practicing veterinary medicine without a lisence. |
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| I would like to point out that there are DVMs out there that are also equine dentists. Mine is fabulous and I'm lucky to have her work on my horses. Worth traveling for! |
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| casualdust07 - 2016-03-25 2:52 PM
Red3 - 2016-03-25 10:01 AM
I think this is a great topic to discuss! I'm currently in veterinary school right now, and so far in our curriculum, we have had some equine dentistry (several lectures, hands on wet labs ). I know this does not compare to the base of knowledge that an equine dentist may have, thus bringing up the dilemma of vet vs dentist. I personally have a strong interest in equine dentistry, so I am pursuing as many options as possible to get as much information and experience before graduating. I can say so far that the information we have gotten so far in school is enough that a vet (who does not do teeth ) should be able to recommend if they need done or not (whether they actually do them or send you some where ). Like so many others on here have said, its really the person using the tools that you need to be concerned the most with, not so much the title. I can say though, that an advantage to a vet doing dentals is the fact that they should be looking at the entire horse, not just the teeth. Not always are the teeth the problem, and a vet can help identify other issues much easier then an equine dentist. A vet has a minimum of 4 years of professional training to consider the entire picture, which I think is very beneficial.
Ultimately, I don't like to see people discredit all vets as not knowing a horse's teeth like a lay dentist would, because that is not the case for all vets. I take my horses to a board certified equine dentist (so he is a DVM board certified in equine dentistry ), and he is very thorough. He does physicals on the horses prior to sedation, to ensure they are safely sedated. He also has other medical supplies if something would happen during the procedure. Overall, I think you need to do your research on who you use, whether its a vet or lay person, and understand the risk of using a layperson (if something goes wrong who do you go to since they aren't licensed? ).
Where are you going to vet school?
Also want to add, there is recourse the owner can take to protect themselves if a vet messes up. There's not really much they can do if a lay person messes up. You can complain to our vet boards and actually get disciplinary action on a vet who does something awful.. if a lay dentist screws up theres not much you can do to rectify it.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | My husband is now retired and only does my horse but was an equine dentist for 37 years. He worked under a man that use to teach at the best dentistry school in the US. His first 18 years was on the Chicago Race Tracks and always worked with numerous vets and would have them come and tranq when needed. Most of the horses he did didn't need tranq. He started doing teeth long before the power floats came along. Very few vets would do teeth back then and most had equine dentists that they worked with.
Fast forward power floats and it then made the vets job easier so more started to do them. Like everything else some are good and some are horrible. Power floats did open the door for more vets to get interested in doing teeth. Like CasualDust said...doing teeth is not technically hard and my husband says the same thing. Back in his day and presetn because of using hand floats...it took a lot of stamina and strength to do teeth.
When we moved to Texas he found vets that worked with him and actually had 4 vets that he did their personal horses and would work with him.
It's against the law in Texas to tranq a customers horse but the customer can tranq their own.
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | We have a really great equine dentist here in Illinois- I would choose him first and foremost before most local vets. I prefer a specialist work on the specialty at hand. I'm a firm believer in yearly dental checks and floating. I also like power floating opposed to hand floating, much quicker and more effective IMO, but in the wrong hands WAYYYY too much can be taken off |
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| Red3 - 2016-03-25 9:01 AM
I think this is a great topic to discuss! I'm currently in veterinary school right now, and so far in our curriculum, we have had some equine dentistry (several lectures, hands on wet labs ). I know this does not compare to the base of knowledge that an equine dentist may have, thus bringing up the dilemma of vet vs dentist. I personally have a strong interest in equine dentistry, so I am pursuing as many options as possible to get as much information and experience before graduating. I can say so far that the information we have gotten so far in school is enough that a vet (who does not do teeth ) should be able to recommend if they need done or not (whether they actually do them or send you some where ). Like so many others on here have said, its really the person using the tools that you need to be concerned the most with, not so much the title. I can say though, that an advantage to a vet doing dentals is the fact that they should be looking at the entire horse, not just the teeth. Not always are the teeth the problem, and a vet can help identify other issues much easier then an equine dentist. A vet has a minimum of 4 years of professional training to consider the entire picture, which I think is very beneficial.
Ultimately, I don't like to see people discredit all vets as not knowing a horse's teeth like a lay dentist would, because that is not the case for all vets. I take my horses to a board certified equine dentist (so he is a DVM board certified in equine dentistry ), and he is very thorough. He does physicals on the horses prior to sedation, to ensure they are safely sedated. He also has other medical supplies if something would happen during the procedure. Overall, I think you need to do your research on who you use, whether its a vet or lay person, and understand the risk of using a layperson (if something goes wrong who do you go to since they aren't licensed? ).
I so wish we had someone board certified around where I live to do teeth! It seems like a lot of the vets (around me at least) aren't super thorough when examining teeth and doing a float. A friend of mine hasn't had one of her horses teeth done in I think over 7 years and she has used the same vet for probably 20 years now which makes me wonder why her vet wouldn't offer to look in his mouth. I wonder if some horses really don't need their teeth done very often? I'm not sure. Thanks for your great information though! |
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Location: Ft Worth TX | Those who side with an equine dentist have you looked up any of the schools for equine dentistry and seen the length of time you spend at school and what it takes to become an equine dentist? There is a school you can go to for 3 weeks and pass the TA DA your an equine dentist... no internship required. That is less time then spent at farrier school so you might be weary of what dentists work on your horse.... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | barrelracr131 - 2016-03-25 2:46 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2016-03-25 2:21 PM barlracr429 - 2016-03-25 12:31 PM Equine Dentist all the way. And he does the sedation. You'll be hard pressed to find an equine dentist who will let a vet "assist" and do the sedation. Around here, one of the vets has it out for the equine dentists and likes to file complaints against them. I probably trust my dentist more than I do one of the local vets. In fact, i pick up my vaccines from the vet when I know the dentist is coming and I ask the dentist to administer the vaccinations also.
I had a mare that had extremely sensitive skin and was very difficult to go near with a needle. So my dentist would bring his wife. We had to use a lip chain with her to sedate her and to get the llip chain on, we had to put a bit in first. He knew how difficult she was so always scheduled me when his wife could assist with the difficult mare. I really appreciated that and I really trusted him and his wife to handle my mare so that no humans or horses were hurt.
I only want somebody who sedates and uses power tools. Most of the vets around here only use hand tools.
That being said, i know there are vets out there that do a great job and use power tools but none of them live near me. I think any equine dentist that administers vaccines is a law suit waiting to happen for them...I have given my own vaccines for 15+ yrs, but you will never catch me giving any to my best friends horses.
I also thought it was very bad business for them to give a sedation. That is the reason some dentists will have a vet give it.
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