mollibtexan - 2016-03-26 8:53 PM The kindness and willingness of a stud has nothing to do with what they will produce. Some of the most influential studs are aggressive and sorta mean. People can disagree all they want but I have first hand knowledge of many producing studs and their studly attitudes do not pass to their colts. Now if you had asked what temperament studs pass to their colts that is a valid question. Not trying to call anyone out I'm just clarifying.

mollibtexan - 2016-03-26 8:53 PM The kindness and willingness of a stud has nothing to do with what they will produce. Some of the most influential studs are aggressive and sorta mean. People can disagree all they want but I have first hand knowledge of many producing studs and their studly attitudes do not pass to their colts. Now if you had asked what temperament studs pass to their colts that is a valid question. Not trying to call anyone out I'm just clarifying.

Fun2Run - 2016-03-26 8:57 PM


Testosterone at work!! 

crossarrowk - 2016-03-26 9:12 PM

Thank you very good point. So what  stallions in your experience have produced consistantly good minded colts? and stud fees? I know you ride a lot of super colts and would really value your opinion on this. Thank you for responding. The mare is by a stud that was a son of bully bullion, out of a shawne bug daughter. the dam of the mare is by Runnerelse.

mollibtexan - 2016-03-26 9:46 PM Love love love that mix your mare is. Ok my list of studs I love to ride colts by $2500 I think, Famous Bugs $5000 JL Dash Ta Heaven I'm actually riding a JL Dash Ta Heaven out of a Bully Bullion mare I'm so in love with! Amazing horse! $not sure Firewater Ta Fame $not sure Shawnee Bug Leo I haven't ridden any of these but know lots that have and they are good minded sweet colts $3500 Epic Leader I haven't ridden but I have seen Kassie on hers and can't wait to ride the ones I have coming. $1250 Royal and Famous bc I trained him and believe he will produce. His dam is a multiple producer as well as his sire. $not sure Firewater Frost such nice colts Traffic Guy A Smooth Guy Of course Firewater Flit Tres seis I'm still thinking

crossarrowk - 2016-03-26 10:10 PM  Thank you! You just went through my Christmas list! For too many reasons to bore folks with I need to keep $$ a low as possible so most of the studs named are out of my reach for now. But please keep names coming especially if you know of a young gun that might be less. Again thank you so much. I have been looking at royal and famous.....  close to $$ so that is a very good lead for me. Again thanks!!!

crossarrowk - 2016-03-27 3:26 PM

THis might be a really good cross on her. Will follow up on this. I have a half sister to my mare (both out of the Runnerelse mare) by AR Star, so I have followed Royal Star Commander as well.  These stats are just what I was looking for backed up by good mind. I deeply appreciate you taking time to look this up and post.  If I go with him do I need to tell them you referred me to him for any commission or stuff like that? I would be happy to. Blessings and Happy Easter!

total performance - 2016-03-26 8:49 PM

I have to second ElScorcho. Herbie on here has 2 of them and they are both really nice individuals. Quiet and willing to please.

JLBerry - 2016-03-28 8:59 AM FIREWATER TA FAME!!!! I have 3 colts by him and he is the only stud I will breed to. Not saying others aren't great, but his offspring fit my program the best. His babies are freaks of nature- they are literally born acting like broke horses. No silliness or spook what so ever! They take everything so great and are extremely athletic. I can't say enough good things about him. Stud fee is $2500.

crossarrowk - 2016-03-26 7:55 PM

 If you were picking a well bred stud just on the basis of being quiet, gentle, willing and good try, tell me your personal favorites please?  Also please list an approximate stud fee and if you are really in a great mood, I would love to hear sale values and testimony stories on the foals.  Thanks!

LRQHS - 2016-03-28 9:10 PM

Thanks everyone. He does pass his mind and willingness to his offspring. Here's the picture of my niece riding him down an alley of stallions bare back this past Saturday.

jake16 - 2016-03-28 8:27 PM


LOVE HIM:) GOOD MINDED STUDS WAS THE NAME OF THIS THREAD....AND HE IS DEFINATLY THAT;))

LRQHS - 2016-03-28 9:30 PM


Thank you so much. He's a good boy :)

luckyjo - 2016-03-29 1:51 PM I really believe the mare's temperament is the more important factor.

GLP - 2016-03-29 2:12 PM Next year when your foal is born, update us please. I don't breed but I love all the foal pictures. This sounds like a really cool cross.

okhorselover - 2016-03-28 9:16 PM Slick By Design. I have a 2 year old by him out of one of our Driftwood mares. He actually walks next to my husband who has had total knee replacement & is walking with a cane & this colt walks beside him along side another mare we have. I'd say this is a fantastic temperament of a stallion.

mollibtexan - 2016-03-27 3:28 PM Huge huge hugs! Keep me posted on what you do! Send me your phone nbr or email.

missroselee - 2016-03-30 9:47 AM

I've not read all the repsonses.

But I will add my opinion.  I was able to meet Lions Share of Fame in person two years ago when I bred my mare to him.  His reputation speaks for itself.  Not only for his record, but his offspring as well.  Amazing athletes and performers.  King himself was extremely kind, calm, and very well mannered while we visited with him during the peak breeding season.  I am sure he has his stallion tendencies as well but he was a charmer!  My colt will be one in May and has the same great mind.  Very kind, very willing, just sensitive enough to stay kind, but just arrogant enough to keep the independence I like to see in a horse.  I am very excited to watch him grow! 

Mighty Broke - 2016-03-30 10:05 AM This is all well and good but I have never found a correlation between the attitude of a stud and that of his get. I personally know of some studs that are borderline outlaws that consisently put wonerfully tempermented foals on the ground.

Mighty Broke - 2016-03-30 11:05 AM

This is all well and good but I have never found a correlation between the attitude of a stud and that of his get. I personally know of some studs that are borderline outlaws that consisently put wonerfully tempermented foals on the ground.

crossarrowk - 2016-03-29 1:08 PM

Lol on the comment on mare's temperament -  You are absolutely right! She is testy which is why I want to tone things down a bit!  And I know folks say dont breed a testy minded mare but a lot of that testiness is closely linked to try and grit. I am just wanting to manage my resourses lol! And my health. If I bred her to a testy light minded pea-heart I could end up in a world of hurt! 

And thank you so much to all who responded> this was exactly what I hoped for and I deeply appreciate it. Pretty pictures of studs and pedigrees are great, but you cant see what's inside the ears. I love El Scorcho but you are too far away. :(  and for the gray stus I have followed and like him for years and blessing to you. I also love Etbauers stallions and the Etbauers themselves. Wonderful folks indeed.  Many of the other great horses noted are on my LOVE list, but out of $$ range this year. After lots of homework (including the fact that he is at Weatherford only 2 hours from me) I have decided on Royal and Famous, booked today. I am VERY excited.

Again thank you so much BHW folks, what a resource and I am so glad I asked my question.  Blessings to all!  SK

SKM - 2016-03-31 6:46 AM


My folks have a Bully daughter that is as testy as they come. I have 4 of her produce and none are like her. They are by Takin On The Cash, Dash Ta Fame, Scrutinizer and Pappasito. The Scrutinizer is the most high maintenance in the mind category. She is super sweet and smart, but she is HOT.

The Pappasito might be the best looking mare I've ever seen. She really is gorgeous! The guy breaking her is a reining guy and he's really impressed with her. Once she decided she wanted to be his buddy, she hasn't put a foot out of place. She was a little tough at first. I attribute it to her basically being a yearling mentally in a 1,200 pound body when he got her and the fact she was pouting about having a job now instead of being a pasture pet slacker....much like many 18-23 year old humans today, lol! So long story short...I wouldn't hesitate to breed a Bully mare to Pappasito again. I think he's $1,500??

oija - 2016-03-31 6:51 AM


That being said. My Scrutinizer filly is super in your pocket and while spirited not really hot. She is incredibly gentle and my trainer says one of the smartest in her barn. So just goes to show they are all individuals. :)

GLP - 2016-03-30 10:52 AM I remember you posting about him. Got any recent pictures?

mollibtexan - 2016-03-30 9:24 PM


100% with you on this! Some of the old time studs were super bad!

wishes4kissez - 2016-03-31 1:45 PM I don't doubt that but I will say I have known a stud that consistently threw highly reactive, poor dispositions on most of his foals. Even out of a mare that had produced super dispositions in all of her other foals, out of several different stallions. And another that had colts that were all tough as nails, feisty dominate types no matter the mare. But in general I think the mare has a lot more to do with it. I have never seen a nice foal out of a poor tempered mare ( unless it was just due to human mishandling that caused issues) and I have known a lot of people who have bred a nasty mare because they couldn't do anything else with her. I am no breeder but I wouldn't breed anything with a nasty disposition on either side!

Mighty Broke - 2016-03-30 11:05 AM

This is all well and good but I have never found a correlation between the attitude of a stud and that of his get. I personally know of some studs that are borderline outlaws that consisently put wonerfully tempermented foals on the ground.

SKM - 2016-03-31 6:46 AM


My folks have a Bully daughter that is as testy as they come. I have 4 of her produce and none are like her. They are by Takin On The Cash, Dash Ta Fame, Scrutinizer and Pappasito. The Scrutinizer is the most high maintenance in the mind category. She is super sweet and smart, but she is HOT.

The Pappasito might be the best looking mare I've ever seen. She really is gorgeous! The guy breaking her is a reining guy and he's really impressed with her. Once she decided she wanted to be his buddy, she hasn't put a foot out of place. She was a little tough at first. I attribute it to her basically being a yearling mentally in a 1,200 pound body when he got her and the fact she was pouting about having a job now instead of being a pasture pet slacker....much like many 18-23 year old humans today, lol! So long story short...I wouldn't hesitate to breed a Bully mare to Pappasito again. I think he's $1,500??

ausranch - 2016-05-08 10:04 AM In my experience, nothing about breeding horses is black and white. Anyone who thinks they can say something that includes "always" or "never" just needs to breed a few more horses to realize all things are a crap shoot. If it was easy, it wouldn't be such a thrill. Some studs really pass on their dispositions. Others less so. Ditto on mares. The world is full of great performance horses at all levels who had one or two bad actor parents. When it comes to stallions in particular, we treat the high end studs in this world in a way that is counter to kind, quiet behavior. Lots of studs have high calorie, high carb diets, live in stalls, get taken out for quick sex (not necessarily the choice of pasture breeding horses, if you watch them) and then go back in the stall. Just what a horse wasn't designed to live like. Add a lot of testosterone and of course you get a nasty horse a lot of the time. If you don't think that makes a difference, you haven't hung out with studs enough in the spring and again in the fall. OMG I love my boys in December! I'm not criticizing the big outfits that manage studs like that. They know what they are doing - maximizing the number of foals. And the horses are very well cared for and healthy. But, if you put any of my 3 sweetheart studs in a stall, you won't like 'em. In pens or pastures, all three are really good dispositioned, especially for racehorses. Some horses don't mind stalls so much, but a lot of them get ridden every day.