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| I was looking at buying a broodmare. The 3 I am looking at are own daughters of Mr Illuminator, Sticks An Stones, and Holding The Cash(SP?). All 3 are built about the same and built well. All have good maternal blood lines. MI is breed to FDD son, SAS is open, HTC is exposed to FDD son. Which one would you get based on sires?? Thank you!! |
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| SAS and MI are 2002 HTC is a 2005. I don't know about their records. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Wouldn't own a Mr Illuminator. He stood near me for some time. Have seen several. They just don't have the dispositions I want around. I don't know anything about Holding The Cash but the Sticks An Stones would intrigue me. What are the dam lines of each? |
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| MI is out of a grand daughter of Gay Bar King and Docs Jack Frost, was a great grand daughter of Orphan Drift as well. SAS is out of a Top Moon granddaughter who is also a great great granddaughter of Leo and Rocket Bar (I don't know the rest). HTC is out of an AAA own daughter of Streakin La Jolla. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | barrelracer63046304 - 2016-03-30 8:47 PM MI is out of a grand daughter of Gay Bar King and Docs Jack Frost, was a great grand daughter of Orphan Drift as well. SAS is out of a Top Moon granddaughter who is also a great great granddaughter of Leo and Rocket Bar (I don't know the rest). HTC is out of an AAA own daughter of Streakin La Jolla.
I love the bottom sides of all, but the SAS and HTC would have my vote. Love Top Moon and you just can't beat him crossed on Rocket Wrangler & Leo. I like SLJ but have never had one bred that way up close. Grandson of MJP was as close as I got and he was a nice colt. |
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| Post thier allbreedpedigree.com here and then we can get a better idea. |
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| black type black type black type... you want the dams to have had produced.... |
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| http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dj+grey+bar+treasure
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/this+moon+rocks
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/streakin+daffodil
Sorry, I can't get the links to work but the MI is top, SAS is middle, and HTC is bottom. Thank you for the replies!! |
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| Warriors Mom - 2016-03-31 11:51 AM
black type black type black type... you want the dams to have had produced....
How do I find that out? Thanks! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | barrelracer63046304 - 2016-03-31 2:17 PM Warriors Mom - 2016-03-31 11:51 AM black type black type black type... you want the dams to have had produced.... How do I find that out? Thanks!
equibase but from the sires they have been bred to and just random searches, I would say none are blacktype. But don't get discouraged. It annoys me when track people think a mare must have a black type pedigree to be a barrel producer. I do think proof of some speed are ideal and who wouldn't want a $500k stakes producer, but it just isn't feasible for 90% of the barrel horse breeders to spend that kind of money on a broodmare. Barrel racing takes a whole lot longer to see your profit than it would on a 2yr old track prospect. |
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Location: SE KS | My pick would be the Streakin Daffodil, then Sticks & Stones. Just my personal picks!!!! |
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| From a bloodline standpoint, the strongest pedigree on the maternal side is Streakin Daffodil. While the weak link is the very bottom in that Dainty horse, her sire is out of Jackies Pride and Jackies Pride was a heck of a producer. But the maternal lines throughout the pedigree are the strongest in this one. Always go with the stallions that are broodmare producers if you are wanting to breed. |
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| You don't have black type mare wise on the maternal side until Miss Mitedo. She was a runner with over $600,00 won. |
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Location: Somewhere around here | lhighquality - 2016-03-31 3:07 PM
My pick would be the Streakin Daffodil, then Sticks & Stones. Just my personal picks!!!!
^^^ Agreed! Whichever one you don't take, I'll take! |
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| I'd take the Sticks an Stones mare anyday over the rest of them. A recognizable name upclose will outsell any of that other nonsense. |
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| Whiteboy - 2016-03-31 4:57 PM
I'd take the Sticks an Stones mare anyday over the rest of them. A recognizable name upclose will outsell any of that other nonsense.
And it's that mindset that produces mediocre horses. The weakest link in almost all pedigrees posted here is that maternal side. A strong maternal lines full of black type mares and broodmare sires will out produce a mare with nothing but a well known sire just about every single time. It takes more than just one well known sire to produce a winning horse.
But what do I know? Maybe I'm just pickier than most when it comes to pedigrees and looks. For breeding it should be the full package on both sides. |
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Location: torrington, wy | Whiteboy - 2016-03-31 5:57 PM I'd take the Sticks an Stones mare anyday over the rest of them. A recognizable name upclose will outsell any of that other nonsense.
I agree 100% this is the mare #1 on my list.
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| SKM - 2016-03-31 6:40 PM Whiteboy - 2016-03-31 4:57 PM I'd take the Sticks an Stones mare anyday over the rest of them. A recognizable name upclose will outsell any of that other nonsense. And it's that mindset that produces mediocre horses. The weakest link in almost all pedigrees posted here is that maternal side. A strong maternal lines full of black type mares and broodmare sires will out produce a mare with nothing but a well known sire just about every single time. It takes more than just one well known sire to produce a winning horse. But what do I know? Maybe I'm just pickier than most when it comes to pedigrees and looks. For breeding it should be the full package on both sides.
To the op check out Stickin To Mepmphis who produced VF Red Rinestones
or PO JO STICK who produced High on a stone and Skippin Stones
or MS Janes Stone who produced Sunny Two Socks
or Fondas Pebbles.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Whiteboy - 2016-04-01 12:34 PM SKM - 2016-03-31 6:40 PM Whiteboy - 2016-03-31 4:57 PM I'd take the Sticks an Stones mare anyday over the rest of them. A recognizable name upclose will outsell any of that other nonsense. And it's that mindset that produces mediocre horses. The weakest link in almost all pedigrees posted here is that maternal side. A strong maternal lines full of black type mares and broodmare sires will out produce a mare with nothing but a well known sire just about every single time. It takes more than just one well known sire to produce a winning horse. But what do I know? Maybe I'm just pickier than most when it comes to pedigrees and looks. For breeding it should be the full package on both sides. Blacktype several generations back on the track doesn't have anything to do with producing a barrel horse. Has that maternal line ever produced a barrel horse? What about Hold On To The Cash, has a daughter of his ever produced a barrel horse? The answer is no, according to Equistat. While on the other hand Stick an Stones daughters have produced over $570,000. It does take more than a well known sire to produce a winning horse...it takes proven broodmare sires, proven sire, great trainers, lots of luck, ect. ect. ect. To the op check out Stickin To Mepmphis who produced VF Red Rinestones or PO JO STICK who produced High on a stone and Skippin Stones or MS Janes Stone who produced Sunny Two Socks or Fondas Pebbles.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-04-01 3:57 PM Whiteboy - 2016-04-01 12:34 PM SKM - 2016-03-31 6:40 PM Whiteboy - 2016-03-31 4:57 PM I'd take the Sticks an Stones mare anyday over the rest of them. A recognizable name upclose will outsell any of that other nonsense. And it's that mindset that produces mediocre horses. The weakest link in almost all pedigrees posted here is that maternal side. A strong maternal lines full of black type mares and broodmare sires will out produce a mare with nothing but a well known sire just about every single time. It takes more than just one well known sire to produce a winning horse. But what do I know? Maybe I'm just pickier than most when it comes to pedigrees and looks. For breeding it should be the full package on both sides.
Blacktype several generations back on the track doesn't have anything to do with producing a barrel horse. Has that maternal line ever produced a barrel horse? What about Hold On To The Cash, has a daughter of his ever produced a barrel horse? The answer is no, according to Equistat. While on the other hand Stick an Stones daughters have produced over $570,000. It does take more than a well known sire to produce a winning horse...it takes proven broodmare sires, proven sire, great trainers, lots of luck, ect. ect. ect.
To the op check out Stickin To Mepmphis who produced VF Red Rinestones
or PO JO STICK who produced High on a stone and Skippin Stones
or MS Janes Stone who produced Sunny Two Socks
or Fondas Pebbles.
I was speaking about Streaking Daffodil. I don't have a clue nor care about SKM's horses. Strictly keeping the discussion about the 3 horses listed above. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-03-31 3:25 PM
barrelracer63046304 - 2016-03-31 2:17 PM Warriors Mom - 2016-03-31 11:51 AM black type black type black type... you want the dams to have had produced.... How do I find that out? Thanks!
I wish this was true...I have two non black type great bred running mares for sale....I can not get them gone, and they are priced very cheap.... and the reasons I get when people inquire is they are not black types.. :( |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Pedigree wise I like This Moon Rocks. BUT the mare has to have a good mind and conformation too. I don't worry about black type on a mare for a barrel baby. I care more about her physical and mental attributes as well as her pedigree. Is her pedigree known for crossing disciplines to barrels? Is she going to produce a trainable baby? Did she stay sound if she performed? If she didn't stay sound, what was the problem and was it conformation related? Did she have the right kind of speed? I care more about producing a foal who has several possible careers in their future. Because not everyone (very few) is a world class trainer and not everyone can ride or deal with a crouch rocket. If they don't make a barrel horse they should be able to do something else.
The NFR is littered with horses that don't have stellar pedigrees. So I don't think it matters as much for barrels as it does for the track.
ETA: If you're talking about BARREL racing black type. Like a futurity winner or 1D/Rodeo horse producer. Then YA I'm all over that "black type". I have several of those type of mares. But they weren't when I bought or raised them. I just had to wait 41691651651651651 years for their babies to get proven in the arena. I have a couple that were good barrel horses themselves but unraced on the track or they are full siblings to several 1D/rodeo barrel horses. Arena performance means a lot more to me than racetrack performance if you're raising arena horses. Just because a horse was a good racehorse doesn't mean they will be able to cross over to the arena.
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| I liked the Sticks and Stones mare also, but the Holding the cash would be next. I think it really depends on if you are wanting to sell the resulting baby or keep it to run. If sellability (is that a word lol) is what you want, might want to go with the HTC mare just becuase she does have more black type, proven lines, but I know a lot of people that wouldnt want her for the double Beduino. |
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