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Location: So. Cali. | I saw on FB yesterday (now of course I cant find itto share...) that Timber Creek Veterinary Hospital is standing one of FG's clone, Guys Duplicate. Just sharing as I know I myself had been wondering what had happened to the clones... |
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Location: Sweet Home Alabama | I saw that too. His fee is $2,500. I'd rather spend that on First Down French or Frenchmans Fabulous. I'm just not down with the cloning deal, but best of luck to them  |
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Location: the fantasy txdad married | That is one of the vets I use. Just a mile from my house. I haven't had a chance to go see him because I've been super busy but, I'm looking forward to taking a tour soon. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I saw where someone called the farm and they actually have 2 of the FG clones. They are shipping semen on BOTH and you don't get to choose which one the semen comes from if you order semen. (There are also NO considerations for proven mares.) |
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| RacingQH - 2016-04-03 4:17 PM
I saw where someone called the farm and they actually have 2 of the FG clones. They are shipping semen on BOTH and you don't get to choose which one the semen comes from if you order semen. (There are also NO considerations for proven mares.)
I read that post on FB.... Didn't sound like a legit conversation IMO. Just the feeling I got from it. |
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Location: California | It is stated in the contract if you click on the link to the pdf file. You do not get to pick which clone the semen comes from. However this is insignificant as they carry identical dna. However I foresee potential issues with lots of clone controversy. |
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| Zee Zee - 2016-04-06 1:40 AM
It is stated in the contract if you click on the link to the pdf file. You do not get to pick which clone the semen comes from. However this is insignificant as they carry identical dna. However I foresee potential issues with lots of clone controversy.
I have a dumb question ... if you do not get some kind of DNA markers from stud and mare how you would know they didn't use another stud instead of one of the clones?? If clone studs ever became eligible to be registered you would be up the creek ... lol
Note .. this mare died at 5 years old .... first horse to be cloned 2003 .. she passed in 2008 just like Dolly the sheep did ... and note middle of the road stance the vet took on crooked legs and other possible deformities working their way out in the 2nd generation blah blah blah ... lol
Knowing the politics of the cutting horse events ... the judges can be influenced to up their scores to let anyone they want to win .... win the event ... such as this cloned mare at 13.3 HH tall ...
Here are a couple of links I found very interesting ... I think the 2nd one is more truthful and it is funny no one has heard of a clone winning big time like the original horse did ...
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cloned-horses-20150314-story.ht...
2nd link ...
http://www.quarterhorsenews.com/news/current-issue-of-qhn/features/...
I am not a fan of cloning ... I don't think you should mess with God's handiwork and most of all .... I don't want St. Peter to tell me that I am a clone and clones are not allowed to enter heaven ...
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| I heard rumor a few years ago that there was a big uproar in the Arabian world because a very well known and popular stallion had gone sterile, and so they secretly cloned him and were shipping the clones semen. All seems sketchy to me. |
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Location: WI | If I had a mare, I think I would do it! |
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 I Don't Brag
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| I am sorry that I ever wasted my money trying to get a FG baby out of my mare. It turned out she would only take with live cover, the live foal guarantee is only for the following year and my lost stud fee went to finance the clones. If I HAD got a stud colt on the ground thinking I or someone could stand him, I would now have to compete with the clones, who have NEVER had to prove themselves and to date cannot be registered, not to mention the possible genetic long term repercussions.
No way, no how, would they get my money. |
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| This is how they make a clone (print below) and the article link below makes me not want to breed to one.
(Another difference between a clone and the original is the mitochondria. Mitochondria are organelles that sit inside nearly every cell. Their job is to burn fuel (from the food we eat) to make energy. Mitochondria have their own chromosome, made of DNA and divided into genes, and they divide as our cells divide.
We get our mitochondria from our mothers. Egg cells are packed with mitochondria, which are copied and distributed to new cells as they form. When a clone is made using nuclear transfer, the egg cell that's used to receive the donor nucleus is already filled with mitochondria contributed by the egg donor. As the clone develops, its cells will be filled with these mitochondria—and their genes—rather than the mitochondria from the DNA donor.)
http://performancegenetics.com/thoroughbred-mitochondrial-dna/ |
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| And that microcondial comes from kill horses on all these clones. Due to the high number of eggs it takes to get one clone, ovaries are harvested from kill horses. It isn't like they are using eggs from the best mares they can find. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | I have always looked at it as something similar to the game of Yahtzee. Sure the same dice are in the cup...but how they roll out can make the difference between a winner and a loser.
Sure it has the same DNA/genotype...but the magic is in the phenotype. Which isn't the same necessarily. |
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| RacingQH - 2016-04-03 4:17 PM
I saw where someone called the farm and they actually have 2 of the FG clones. They are shipping semen on BOTH and you don't get to choose which one the semen comes from if you order semen. (There are also NO considerations for proven mares.)
Wouldn't it still be the same semen?? |
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Location: The edge of no where | SKM - 2016-04-07 3:44 AM And that microcondial comes from kill horses on all these clones. Due to the high number of eggs it takes to get one clone, ovaries are harvested from kill horses. It isn't like they are using eggs from the best mares they can find.
So I guess they're getting them from Canada? |
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| I was told they are now based (or partially) out of southern Alberta for that reason.
Edited by Kaye 2016-04-08 12:01 AM
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| MS2011 - 2016-04-07 12:18 PM
SKM - 2016-04-07 3:44 AM And that microcondial comes from kill horses on all these clones. Due to the high number of eggs it takes to get one clone, ovaries are harvested from kill horses. It isn't like they are using eggs from the best mares they can find.
So I guess they're getting them from Canada?
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