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Location: Toto...Im finally HOME!!! | I have a gelding we found out he is slight navicular in his right front! He is NOT lame but when turning a hard right he runs up the fence or what have you! He has been diagnosed by ultrasound. We recently had him injected with cortisone. He has been running fine! Now is the question is do we continue to cortisone and HA or nerve block. Pros and cons please. |
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| Well it's a double edged sword. You cannot just keep injecting then joint. It's a high motion joint and what will happen is the injections will last shorter and shorter each time you do it. Plus the cortisone will eventually become counter productive and actually destroy the joint. On the other hand nerving is highly risky. They can severely injure themselves and not even know it or feel it. I would ask your vet about a daily anti inflammatory such as previcox. That will really help. Curost PURE is also a great daily anti inflammatory. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-04-04 6:53 PM
Well it's a double edged sword. You cannot just keep injecting then joint. It's a high motion joint and what will happen is the injections will last shorter and shorter each time you do it. Plus the cortisone will eventually become counter productive and actually destroy the joint. On the other hand nerving is highly risky. They can severely injure themselves and not even know it or feel it. I would ask your vet about a daily anti inflammatory such as previcox. That will really help. Curost PURE is also a great daily anti inflammatory.
This is why I suggested Equine Regen. By activating the stem cells,you are taking care of inflammation and pain. And helping the horse heal. |
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Location: OH | readytorodeo - 2016-04-04 10:35 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-04 6:53 PM Well it's a double edged sword. You cannot just keep injecting then joint. It's a high motion joint and what will happen is the injections will last shorter and shorter each time you do it. Plus the cortisone will eventually become counter productive and actually destroy the joint. On the other hand nerving is highly risky. They can severely injure themselves and not even know it or feel it. I would ask your vet about a daily anti inflammatory such as previcox. That will really help. Curost PURE is also a great daily anti inflammatory. This is why I suggested Equine Regen. By activating the stem cells,you are taking care of inflammation and pain. And helping the horse heal.
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Location: Toto...Im finally HOME!!! | Yes I would like to hear more also |
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| I had one that had been nerved. He was a my rope horse in high school. Never had any problems with it.
I also have a good friend that recently bought a navicular horse for the kids. They gave the horse Tendril (sp) and they have had amazing results. Ask your vet about it. |
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| Highly recommend Osphos. Its worth looking into |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Whiteboy - 2016-04-05 8:52 AM
I had one that had been nerved. He was a my rope horse in high school. Never had any problems with it.
I also have a good friend that recently bought a navicular horse for the kids. They gave the horse Tendril (sp) and they have had amazing results. Ask your vet about it.
Do you mean Tildren? |
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Location: Kansas | readytorodeo - 2016-04-04 9:35 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-04 6:53 PM Well it's a double edged sword. You cannot just keep injecting then joint. It's a high motion joint and what will happen is the injections will last shorter and shorter each time you do it. Plus the cortisone will eventually become counter productive and actually destroy the joint. On the other hand nerving is highly risky. They can severely injure themselves and not even know it or feel it. I would ask your vet about a daily anti inflammatory such as previcox. That will really help. Curost PURE is also a great daily anti inflammatory. This is why I suggested Equine Regen. By activating the stem cells,you are taking care of inflammation and pain. And helping the horse heal.
You don't activate stem cells, they are are cells that are undifferentiated cells that are able to be differentiated in special cell types, mainly forming from embryonic and adult cells. |
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| oija - 2016-04-05 9:50 AM Whiteboy - 2016-04-05 8:52 AM I had one that had been nerved. He was a my rope horse in high school. Never had any problems with it.
I also have a good friend that recently bought a navicular horse for the kids. They gave the horse Tendril (sp) and they have had amazing results. Ask your vet about it. Do you mean Tildren?
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| My Guess is they meant Tildren as well. I have also used Osphos with excellent results. Just gave a second dose one year apart to my really arthritic gelding who ALSO broke his Navicular bone last May. Herbie posted on here while back about the negative side effects of Osphos like medications. SOme valid points in the literature she posted on here. Might want to read it before you go that route. After consulting my vet and few others for 2nd, 3rd opinions, the benefits of using it on my horse far out weighed the risks in their opinions. If 10 years from now he is still running barrels and breaks a bone due to the Osphos then thats a risk I am willing to take to keep him comfortable and pain free for the next 10 years. Personal decision of mine. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2016-04-05 10:01 AM
readytorodeo - 2016-04-04 9:35 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-04 6:53 PM Well it's a double edged sword. You cannot just keep injecting then joint. It's a high motion joint and what will happen is the injections will last shorter and shorter each time you do it. Plus the cortisone will eventually become counter productive and actually destroy the joint. On the other hand nerving is highly risky. They can severely injure themselves and not even know it or feel it. I would ask your vet about a daily anti inflammatory such as previcox. That will really help. Curost PURE is also a great daily anti inflammatory. This is why I suggested Equine Regen. By activating the stem cells,you are taking care of inflammation and pain. And helping the horse heal.
There are primitive stem cells that lay dormant. Equine Regen activates those stem cells. There is studies documenting results. I use it on my rehab horses. I know it works. |
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Location: Kansas | readytorodeo - 2016-04-05 10:30 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-04-05 10:01 AM readytorodeo - 2016-04-04 9:35 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-04 6:53 PM Well it's a double edged sword. You cannot just keep injecting then joint. It's a high motion joint and what will happen is the injections will last shorter and shorter each time you do it. Plus the cortisone will eventually become counter productive and actually destroy the joint. On the other hand nerving is highly risky. They can severely injure themselves and not even know it or feel it. I would ask your vet about a daily anti inflammatory such as previcox. That will really help. Curost PURE is also a great daily anti inflammatory. This is why I suggested Equine Regen. By activating the stem cells,you are taking care of inflammation and pain. And helping the horse heal. There are primitive stem cells that lay dormant. Equine Regen activates those stem cells. There is studies documenting results. I use it on my rehab horses. I know it works.
Please provide me with a link to view this information. If it works so well on horses, then why don't scientists have the technology of this advancement even for horses, to be used on humans to rehab various diseases, injuries, and cancer? |
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| There is,studies on humans also. It is called Primicell. You can Google Primicell and Equine Regen and that will pull up the website.
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Location: Kansas | readytorodeo - 2016-04-05 11:07 AM There is,studies on humans also. It is called Primicell. You can Google Primicell and Equine Regen and that will pull up the website.
I'm aware there are studies on humans, I'm talking stem cells that can actually repair damaged organs, replace damaged cells, grow specialized cells that can help with diseases such as parkinson's disease.
I have read about Primicell, it's also claiming to be a "weight loss" pill, also anti-aging......I don't believe it. Sorry.
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Location: Central Montana | I have been dealing with Navicular and Laminitis in my reining gelding. I have tried Tildren, two rounds of Osphos, coffin joint and navicular bursa injections. My vet recently suggested we try a new stem cell therapy on him.
I'm trying to educate myself on the product and have been asking my vet tons of questions. It is made by a company called Anicell. The stem cells are harvested from placentas after a mare has foaled. Actual stem cells are injected in the affected area. There has to be a lot inflammation at the time of the injection, the stem cells hunt the inflammation and repair the damage. Due to the cost I am waiting a bit longer to actually give it a try.....however my vet has had impressive results on the horses she has used it on. She told me she had one a couple of weeks ago that had navicular and calcification on the tendons, she said he was a lot more lame than mine and had been that way for several years. About a week after the treatment he was sound. She has also used it to repair scar tissue in a shoulder (just recently, no report on how the horse did yet) and sarcoid tumors.
The cost to do both front feet is around $3,500. A big investment on an fairly unproven, undocumented product. I wish so much they had trials going on right now that I could get my gelding enrolled in. Once my vet has more case studies of her own and hopefully a lot more case studies from Anicell itself......if the cases are all as positive as the ones she's had....I will be picking up a second job or tons of OT to pay for it. I don't have that kind of discresionary income laying around and am at over $5,000 in vet bills on this horse to get to where he is today. I have been close to putting him down twice due to not being able to get the pain under control. He is at the point now that I can ride him and would not get kicked out of a show pen for having a lame horse. He looks pretty darn sound, but, he has been injected, is on Equioxx, and is on Lubrisyn. So, we are headed in the right direction, I just want a perment fix, he is only 10.
If this product works like it is indicating it will it ...... could be a total game changer for equine injury recovery.
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | kma - 2016-04-05 9:26 AM
Highly recommend Osphos. Its worth looking into
Having great luck with Osphos. Just had him injected in Feb. and have seen a nice impovement with our horse. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2016-04-05 11:15 AM
readytorodeo - 2016-04-05 11:07 AM There is,studies on humans also. It is called Primicell. You can Google Primicell and Equine Regen and that will pull up the website.
I'm aware there are studies on humans, I'm talking stem cells that can actually repair damaged organs, replace damaged cells, grow specialized cells that can help with diseases such as parkinson's disease.
I have read about Primicell, it's also claiming to be a "weight loss" pill, also anti-aging......I don't believe it. Sorry.
I have used it. And it did work. As far as the Equine Regen I know it works also. I have seen too many horse that went from crippled pasture pets go back to winning.
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| Rolling J - 2016-04-05 12:59 PM kma - 2016-04-05 9:26 AM Highly recommend Osphos. Its worth looking into Having great luck with Osphos. Just had him injected in Feb. and have seen a nice impovement with our horse.
How does it compare with Tildren? Why would a vet choose one over the other? |
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| Whiteboy - 2016-04-05 1:34 PM
Rolling J - 2016-04-05 12:59 PM kma - 2016-04-05 9:26 AM Highly recommend Osphos. Its worth looking into Having great luck with Osphos. Just had him injected in Feb. and have seen a nice impovement with our horse.
Herbie posted on here about osphos. I would read that article before using it. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | readytorodeo - 2016-04-05 1:16 PM
hoofs_in_motion - 2016-04-05 11:15 AM
readytorodeo - 2016-04-05 11:07 AM There is,studies on humans also. It is called Primicell. You can Google Primicell and Equine Regen and that will pull up the website.
I'm aware there are studies on humans, I'm talking stem cells that can actually repair damaged organs, replace damaged cells, grow specialized cells that can help with diseases such as parkinson's disease.
I have read about Primicell, it's also claiming to be a "weight loss" pill, also anti-aging......I don't believe it. Sorry.
I have used it. And it did work. As far as the Equine Regen I know it works also. I have seen too many horse that went from crippled pasture pets go back to winning.
Ah yes the old standby...."I've used it and I KNOW it works!" testimonial. My question to you is, have you ever used a snake oil supplement that DIDN'T work? |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Whiteboy - 2016-04-05 1:34 PM
Rolling J - 2016-04-05 12:59 PM kma - 2016-04-05 9:26 AM Highly recommend Osphos. Its worth looking into Having great luck with Osphos. Just had him injected in Feb. and have seen a nice impovement with our horse.
I am FAR from an expert on this subject. If you google the two drugs, I found some great articles explaining how they work and differ from each other.
My vet actually suggested to us that our horse would benifit from either drug. She explained that Tildren had more a direct affect where Oshpos takes about a month to start seeing results. We talked at length about all the specifics (side effects, benifits....) but in the end it came down to money for me (just the reality of life, sadly). Tildren was going to cost around $1,600 and Oshpos cost me $350 for the injections.
It has been a little over a month now and I have not seen our horse move this good in a long time. We just got back from a three day rodeo and he ran 4 times, thought I might see somthing then but NOTHING!!
I am sure Herbie is much more knowledgeable on this subject and like I already stated there are some really good articles comparing the two drugs. |
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| Rolling J - 2016-04-06 9:25 AM
Whiteboy - 2016-04-05 1:34 PM
Rolling J - 2016-04-05 12:59 PM kma - 2016-04-05 9:26 AM Highly recommend Osphos. Its worth looking into Having great luck with Osphos. Just had him injected in Feb. and have seen a nice impovement with our horse.
I am FAR from an expert on this subject. If you google the two drugs, I found some great articles explaining how they work and differ from each other.
My vet actually suggested to us that our horse would benifit from either drug. She explained that Tildren had more a direct affect where Oshpos takes about a month to start seeing results. We talked at length about all the specifics (side effects, benifits.... ) but in the end it came down to money for me (just the reality of life, sadly ). Tildren was going to cost around $1,600 and Oshpos cost me $350 for the injections.
It has been a little over a month now and I have not seen our horse move this good in a long time. We just got back from a three day rodeo and he ran 4 times, thought I might see somthing then but NOTHING!!
I am sure Herbie is much more knowledgeable on this subject and like I already stated there are some really good articles comparing the two drugs.
Herbie's article is a good one for sure. I even emailed it to my vet before using it on my horse. My vet is a former track vet and now private practice and has a lot of experience with race track type thinking and vetting and also performance horses. There is a lot more that goes into the SOURCE of the article that the article doesn't address. We had a long discussion and I did decide to use it on my 12 year old with pretty significant coffin joint issues, broken navicular bone, spavins in his hocks etc. It has made a world of difference for him. I tried to use Curost first but it just was not strong enough for my particular horse. |
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