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| I am a skeptic too. However I did take advantage of their free trial. I stood on the thing through several horse a day before finding a way to keep them occupied and after they had gotten used to it.
After a few days I stepped off, took 3 steps and something exploded in my lower leg where I had been stuck a few years earlier. I could not walk unassisted for the rest of that day. BUT, the ongoing sponginess and pain in the area that had persisted since the injury was gone. My best guess is that an adhesion had broke loose. That is the only real affect I could testify to, and that is a personal anecdote.
I have considered (and still am) purchasing a used one, hoping that it might help my older mare on days off. Last year I went to 30 rodeos in 60 days, so the days she was home she just rested. Would be hoping the plate would help keep her muscles loose without putting more miles on her back. Anything else would be just shooting in the dark.
But the skeptic in me has not spent any money on one yet. I too would like some quantifiable proof. | |
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| I always joke that my horses are getting their theraplate treatment when I roll over the bumpy things on the side of the interstate :D
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'd just get one, considering all the nice science and testimonials. They don't cost much anyway, do they? | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I think they start at $3K and go up. | |
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Location: WI | I found this part particularly interesting. This is also the main claim for PHT and BOT.
Let’s look at the claims. The first one, “increasing circulation” stands out as a big whopper. When it comes to blood, the horse is what’s known as a closed system, that is, there’s no exchange of blood with any of the outside surroundings. What the horse has is what it gets. “Increasing circulation” is such a commonly used bogus claim that I even wrote a whole article about it. | |
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Buuut doctors are always telling me to apply ice and heat to injuries to increase circulation. The same thing with vets and trainers with all the ice boots, hosing, blistering, poultice and liniments.
So what is up with that Doc?
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Hmmmmm.... I have yet to cough up the money on PHT or BOT, but I'm always the last one on the bandwagon.... | |
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| It has always reminded me of the old vibrating weight loss belts...yeah you know the ones. | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I often wondered why we spent a ton of money to have a air ride system put on our trailers to lessen the vibrations and then pay another 3K to put them on something that vibrates....  But then again, I can't afford either thing so maybe it was just my mind making it okay not to own. | |
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| rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 10:56 AM
Buuut doctors are always telling me to apply ice and heat to injuries to increase circulation. The same thing with vets and trainers with all the ice boots, hosing, blistering, poultice and liniments.
So what is up with that Doc?
Heat opens up blood vessels increasing circulation, Cold constricts blood vessels decreasing blood flow which decreases inflammation. These are proven also....
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| rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 10:56 AM Buuut doctors are always telling me to apply ice and heat to injuries to increase circulation. The same thing with vets and trainers with all the ice boots, hosing, blistering, poultice and liniments. So what is up with that Doc?
What I don't get about that statement is that if it's a "closed" system...then they shouldn't bleed when we cut the skin??? The horse still has capillaries, and they can sweat, which indicates heat from blood flow correct?? I feel like maybe this Vet is trying to say it doesn't increase heart rate?? IDK. I was confused by that statement when I read the article too.
I know my PHT works wonders on me...I'm a believer! And my horse does seem to appreciate it! | |
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| FlyingJT - 2016-04-06 11:28 AM
rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 10:56 AM
Buuut doctors are always telling me to apply ice and heat to injuries to increase circulation. The same thing with vets and trainers with all the ice boots, hosing, blistering, poultice and liniments.
So what is up with that Doc?
Heat opens up blood vessels increasing circulation, Cold constricts blood vessels decreasing blood flow which decreases inflammation. These are proven also....
I understand THAT. But according to the vet in this article, the circulatory system is closed so you CAN'T increase blood flow to a particular area. | |
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| Nateracer - 2016-04-06 11:30 AM
rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 10:56 AM Buuut doctors are always telling me to apply ice and heat to injuries to increase circulation. The same thing with vets and trainers with all the ice boots, hosing, blistering, poultice and liniments. So what is up with that Doc?
I know my PHT works wonders on me...I'm a believer! And my horse does seem to appreciate it!
We are a closed system and bleed???? | |
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| I personally did not like the human theraplate so I haven't had much desire to use it on my horse. | |
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| rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 11:30 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-04-06 11:28 AM
rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 10:56 AM
Buuut doctors are always telling me to apply ice and heat to injuries to increase circulation. The same thing with vets and trainers with all the ice boots, hosing, blistering, poultice and liniments.
So what is up with that Doc?
Heat opens up blood vessels increasing circulation, Cold constricts blood vessels decreasing blood flow which decreases inflammation. These are proven also....
I understand THAT. But according to the vet in this article, the circulatory system is closed so you CAN'T increase blood flow to a particular area.
I think he means long term... You can heat an area up and dilate the vessels and increase circulation but as soon as you remove the heat it will return to it's normal state. For injuries we ice to help decrease inflammation and allow the area to heal, but as soon as we stop icing it swells again, that's why we do it several times a day. | |
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| Whiteboy - 2016-04-06 11:04 AM
It has always reminded me of the old vibrating weight loss belts...yeah you know the ones.
YES! From day one, that is what I thought too! Personally, I don't like to have my eye balls jiggled around, why would I expect my horse to like it? | |
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| FlyingJT - 2016-04-06 11:42 AM rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 11:30 AM FlyingJT - 2016-04-06 11:28 AM rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 10:56 AM Buuut doctors are always telling me to apply ice and heat to injuries to increase circulation. The same thing with vets and trainers with all the ice boots, hosing, blistering, poultice and liniments. So what is up with that Doc? Heat opens up blood vessels increasing circulation, Cold constricts blood vessels decreasing blood flow which decreases inflammation. These are proven also.... I understand THAT. But according to the vet in this article, the circulatory system is closed so you CAN'T increase blood flow to a particular area. I think he means long term... You can heat an area up and dilate the vessels and increase circulation but as soon as you remove the heat it will return to it's normal state. For injuries we ice to help decrease inflammation and allow the area to heal, but as soon as we stop icing it swells again, that's why we do it several times a day.
That's what I was trying to get at! I'm just not good at explaining what I mean. | |
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| Year after year, I see barrel racers pouring thousands of dollars in to alternative therapy, gadgets and treatments. All to which their horses continue to run about the same, with no drastic improvement.
What's the cost/benefit factor? Peace of mind for yourself? What I guess I'm saying is a person sure can get carried away with the latest and greatest, and money might be better off spent on lessons and/or training as a way to improve their game.
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Location: West Texas | We have used it and it works. I have seen it personally work at the AQHA World Show. It does decrease soreness, stiffness, and some pain. It loosens a horse up. The problem with many vets is that they are not horsemen and therefore can be really closed minded because they think they are so smart.....in theory.
I edited above. Vets are great. Sometimes I think they can look too much at their diagnostic machines and this and that, instead of using old school logic and things learned only through horsemanship.
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| I wouldn't want to stand on it. My love handles would jiggle and I would be reminded of the weight I haven't lost. Lol | |
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| Tell a barrel racer rubbing a frisbee on their horses butt counter clock wise will make them go faster. Get one person who is winning that will do that in the commercials for the BBR webcast and see how many ppl at your local shows start buying frisbees | |
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| Tdove - 2016-04-06 1:02 PM
We have used it and it works. I have seen it personally work at the AQHA World Show. It does decrease soreness, stiffness, and some pain. It loosens a horse up. The problem with vets is that they are not horsemen and therefore are closed minded because they think they are so smart.....in theory.
Getting them out and hand walking them or some turn out time does the same and costs WAYYYYY less.  | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | What do vets know....they aren't horsemen. Now that's the problem. | |
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Location: West Texas | astreakinchic - 2016-04-06 12:19 PM
Tdove - 2016-04-06 1:02 PM
We have used it and it works. I have seen it personally work at the AQHA World Show. It does decrease soreness, stiffness, and some pain. It loosens a horse up. The problem with vets is that they are not horsemen and therefore are closed minded because they think they are so smart.....in theory.
Getting them out and hand walking them or some turn out time does the same and costs WAYYYYY less.
No it doesn't.... Have you tried it? I was skeptical but we have had it work on our horses and I have seen it work on others too. | |
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| I also had my doubts so reading the article was interesting. I've seen a few people get run over just trying to get their horses on them so I never attempted it with my horse. The benefits weren't worth the risk of hurting him or myself. | |
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Location: West Texas | I will say one thing, I have seen many horses that weren't that thrilled to get on it the first time, actually want to step up on it. I have one mare that is tight, tight and really always alert. She now gets on it and goes really loose and licks her lips. Anybody with any knowledge of horse behavior knows that the horses at least like it and it relaxes them. That cannot possibly be a bad thing. | |
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| astreakinchic - 2016-04-06 12:18 PM
Tell a barrel racer rubbing a frisbee on their horses butt counter clock wise will make them go faster. Get one person who is winning that will do that in the commercials for the BBR webcast and see how many ppl at your local shows start buying frisbees
BINGO! It's a gimmick. | |
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| Tdove - 2016-04-06 12:47 PM
I will say one thing, I have seen many horses that weren't that thrilled to get on it the first time, actually want to step up on it. I have one mare that is tight, tight and really always alert. She now gets on it and goes really loose and licks her lips. Anybody with any knowledge of horse behavior knows that the horses at least like it and it relaxes them. That cannot possibly be a bad thing.
We sack our colts out with a flag and bag full of soda cans. They don't like it at first but eventually they stop moving, loosen up, soften and lick their lips too. If I do it every day eventually they will lick and soften as soon as they see the equipment. It doesn't mean they like it. | |
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Location: Canada | Sometimes I wonder if it's the placebo effect, not on the horse but on the rider. If the handler/rider/owner feels that the horse is more relaxed, more ready to run, more powerful do we actually create that in the horse.
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Well I guess I don't know what I am talking about then.... and I am guessing you have never used one on a horse that was hurting. I know much better horsemen than you or I that can say they had a horse with an issue and immediately after the Theraplate, or other type device, their horse was much improved. But you can keep your closed minded opinion. I was very skeptical that it could really help much before using one too. We don't have one and I am not someone who profits from anything to do with them. I really have no need to convince anyone here, one way or the other.
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| Tdove - 2016-04-06 1:47 PM
I will say one thing, I have seen many horses that weren't that thrilled to get on it the first time, actually want to step up on it. I have one mare that is tight, tight and really always alert. She now gets on it and goes really loose and licks her lips. Anybody with any knowledge of horse behavior knows that the horses at least like it and it relaxes them. That cannot possibly be a bad thing.
Yeah I used to own a pony plate and then upgraded to a theraplate. Also had one with a stress fracture that licked his lips and fell asleep on the theraplate, it was not helping his injury any tho. Vet was undecided on if it significantly hurt his injury but it sure wasn't helping him. He was on stall rest and theraplate only until figuring out his lameness. Once the lameness was finally pinpointed we quit theraplate treatments and he actually started to heal. Vets felt like the healing was deterred on the plate. Sold both pony plate and theraplate....literally no difference without having their theraplate treatments.
ETA: I'm a huge magna wave, PHT, and BOT fan tho  I don't have them decked out from head to toe but will use for issues and therapy when needed.
One more thing I originally got the plate for overall body and tendon issues. Not that big of a difference for the money....so sold. Plus I was scared of possibly (not saying it did) delaying healing in another horse again.
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| I think that for rehab or injury it would be a good tool to use. Specificaly for soft tissues. But definitely not a pre/post race tool. Stand on one of those for the amount of time your horse would and then try to go for a run. You will feel fatigued.... And after your horse runs, you want the body to recovery, not something that adds fatigue.
Why do people put softrides on their horses and air ride on their Trailer? Why do they put the nice poly flooring in it? To absorb shock/vibration... In my opinion the plates do have serve a purpose like I said above, but outside of that I cannot really see much good in it...
why do people wrap their horses legs in the summer everytime they step foot in the trailer then buy a $500 ice machine or ice boots to reduce heat and inflammation? (YES injury,young Colts, wounds, stocking up-- wrapping is acceptable). What do you do after a hot day at the barrel race? Take your Jeans off and put Shorts on..cuz why? The jeans create and traps heat, why do that for your horse when they're the ones who actually performed?? Sidenote- Yes I do see benefits of BOT/wraps in colder weather, just to keep a horse warmed up and loose.
Same goes for people who feed in a haybag all weekend. Horses are MADE to have their head down grazing, they're not made to eat upwards. With their heads down it let's their sinuses drain and muscles relax and not tense. YET, people buy equi resps to clear their horses nasal passages and pay bookoo bucks for adjustments cuz they can't figure out why their horses poll/jaw is consistently out... "but they waste their hay when it's not in a bag" well I can gurantee you that you'll spend less in a weekend of hay.
Basically my argument is here is to treat a horse like a horse, and the barrel racing therapy industry has you suckered..
Also, I've never have spent the $500 on a magnetic blanket and probably adding to an upwards of 1k for a whole outfit. Ditched my softride after I bought them because they were too heavy, yes they do also serve a purpose for injury/rock/cement situations, BUT have you all ever walked around with ankle weights on for a youth? Lol We are all about using lightweight gear, yet we have these huge rubber shoes on our horses up until we run them. 
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Tdove - 2016-04-06 2:00 PM Cyount, Well I guess I don't know what I am talking about then.... and I am guessing you have never used one on a horse that was hurting. I know much better horsemen than you or I that can say they had a horse with an issue and immediately after the Theraplate, or other type device, their horse was much improved. But you can keep your closed minded opinion. I was very skeptical that it could really help much before using one too. We don't have one and I am not someone who profits from anything to do with them. I really have no need to convince anyone here, one way or the other.
Hey buddy, relax. You may want to spend some time on the theraplate yourself.
You are more than entitled to believe your vodoo magic, don't get mad when others don't.
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Location: West Texas | I wouldn't think a theraplate would help a stress fracture either and I never said he would be licking his lips and getting relaxed because it was healing such things. But I bet it was helping the rest of his body. Horses are no different than people. How many on here believe in Chiro? How many, have had a massage or used a vibrator to relieve soreness, decrease pain, and increase range of motion? I know I have. | |
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| Tdove - 2016-04-06 1:00 PM Cyount, Well I guess I don't know what I am talking about then.... and I am guessing you have never used one on a horse that was hurting. I know much better horsemen than you or I that can say they had a horse with an issue and immediately after the Theraplate, or other type device, their horse was much improved. But you can keep your closed minded opinion. I was very skeptical that it could really help much before using one too. We don't have one and I am not someone who profits from anything to do with them. I really have no need to convince anyone here, one way or the other.
Wow, that's a pretty brazen statement, given you don't know me or the horsemen I know. But you are right, I have not used one (I won't put my horse on it, I don't like to be shoock up, I can't imagine they truly would either, personal preference I guess?) but have seen other people I travel with use them, they did get a short time very moderate improvement, but nothing that I could justify spending $3K on. But hey to each their own. If you feel like it's helping your horse than keep on keeping on. I'm just saying your statement about lick lipping and softening doesn't give any insight into how much the horse really enjoys it.
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| Tdove - 2016-04-06 2:10 PM
I wouldn't think a theraplate would help a stress fracture either and I never said he would be licking his lips and getting relaxed because it was healing such things. But I bet it was helping the rest of his body. Horses are no different than people. How many on here believe in Chiro? How many, have had a massage or used a vibrator to relieve soreness, decrease pain, and increase range of motion? I know I have.
Did not know he had the fracture when he was being put on the theraplate.
Love the chiro for myself and horses. I like equimassagers as well.
If you like the theraplate and believe in it keep using it
I just don't think it is worth the money. I'd rather spend money on magna wave treatments for my horses soreness.
I just believe most therapies are gimmicks but they give me confidence that my horse feels better and thus I feel better, comfortable, and more relaxed when competing | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | While I agree that some vets have never been around a horse except for in vet school, I will say I have a vet who actually owns horses and has had world champions. While I don't know his opinion on this type of thing, I do know he is willing to think outside the box. I.e., we did the crest toothpaste and it did actually take off the warts better then the chemical crap he sales.
However, that funny looking guy on TV is selling the MagnaWave you can hold in your hand. That celebrities and sports people use - last month he was selling Emu Oil.
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| 3canstorun - 2016-04-06 2:25 PM
While I agree that some vets have never been around a horse except for in vet school, I will say I have a vet who actually owns horses and has had world champions. While I don't know his opinion on this type of thing, I do know he is willing to think outside the box. I.e., we did the crest toothpaste and it did actually take off the warts better then the chemical crap he sales.
However, that funny looking guy on TV is selling the MagnaWave you can hold in your hand. That celebrities and sports people use - last month he was selling Emu Oil.
Just an FYI - carry on
thats hilarious!!
I dunno who that is because I don't have cable and hardly ever watch TV. I can imagine he's quite the snake oil snakes man tho! They say you only advertise when your business is down. | |
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| epoh - 2016-04-06 1:06 PM
I think that for rehab or injury it would be a good tool to use. Specificaly for soft tissues. But definitely not a pre/post race tool. Stand on one of those for the amount of time your horse would and then try to go for a run. You will feel fatigued.... And after your horse runs, you want the body to recovery, not something that adds fatigue.
Why do people put softrides on their horses and air ride on their Trailer? Why do they put the nice poly flooring in it? To absorb shock/vibration... In my opinion the plates do have serve a purpose like I said above, but outside of that I cannot really see much good in it...
why do people wrap their horses legs in the summer everytime they step foot in the trailer then buy a $500 ice machine or ice boots to reduce heat and inflammation? (YES injury,young Colts, wounds, stocking up-- wrapping is acceptable ). What do you do after a hot day at the barrel race? Take your Jeans off and put Shorts on..cuz why? The jeans create and traps heat, why do that for your horse when they're the ones who actually performed?? Sidenote- Yes I do see benefits of BOT/wraps in colder weather, just to keep a horse warmed up and loose.
Same goes for people who feed in a haybag all weekend. Horses are MADE to have their head down grazing, they're not made to eat upwards. With their heads down it let's their sinuses drain and muscles relax and not tense. YET, people buy equi resps to clear their horses nasal passages and pay bookoo bucks for adjustments cuz they can't figure out why their horses poll/jaw is consistently out... "but they waste their hay when it's not in a bag" well I can gurantee you that you'll spend less in a weekend of hay.
Basically my argument is here is to treat a horse like a horse, and the barrel racing therapy industry has you suckered..
Also, I've never have spent the $500 on a magnetic blanket and probably adding to an upwards of 1k for a whole outfit. Ditched my softride after I bought them because they were too heavy, yes they do also serve a purpose for injury/rock/cement situations, BUT have you all ever walked around with ankle weights on for a youth? Lol We are all about using lightweight gear, yet we have these huge rubber shoes on our horses up until we run them.
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | Had a trial and none of our horses would get on that 'vibrating monster'. I see so many gimmicks lately. Not saying it is but what happened to just keeping things simple?
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Location: SE KS | cyount2009 - 2016-04-06 12:54 PM
Tdove - 2016-04-06 12:47 PM
I will say one thing, I have seen many horses that weren't that thrilled to get on it the first time, actually want to step up on it. I have one mare that is tight, tight and really always alert. She now gets on it and goes really loose and licks her lips. Anybody with any knowledge of horse behavior knows that the horses at least like it and it relaxes them. That cannot possibly be a bad thing.
We sack our colts out with a flag and bag full of soda cans. They don't like it at first but eventually they stop moving, loosen up, soften and lick their lips too. If I do it every day eventually they will lick and soften as soon as they see the equipment. It doesn't mean they like it.
sounds like it means their used to it!!!
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | epoh - 2016-04-06 11:06 AM
I think that for rehab or injury it would be a good tool to use. Specificaly for soft tissues. But definitely not a pre/post race tool. Stand on one of those for the amount of time your horse would and then try to go for a run. You will feel fatigued.... And after your horse runs, you want the body to recovery, not something that adds fatigue.
Why do people put softrides on their horses and air ride on their Trailer? Why do they put the nice poly flooring in it? To absorb shock/vibration... In my opinion the plates do have serve a purpose like I said above, but outside of that I cannot really see much good in it...
why do people wrap their horses legs in the summer everytime they step foot in the trailer then buy a $500 ice machine or ice boots to reduce heat and inflammation? (YES injury,young Colts, wounds, stocking up-- wrapping is acceptable ). What do you do after a hot day at the barrel race? Take your Jeans off and put Shorts on..cuz why? The jeans create and traps heat, why do that for your horse when they're the ones who actually performed?? Sidenote- Yes I do see benefits of BOT/wraps in colder weather, just to keep a horse warmed up and loose.
Same goes for people who feed in a haybag all weekend. Horses are MADE to have their head down grazing, they're not made to eat upwards. With their heads down it let's their sinuses drain and muscles relax and not tense. YET, people buy equi resps to clear their horses nasal passages and pay bookoo bucks for adjustments cuz they can't figure out why their horses poll/jaw is consistently out... "but they waste their hay when it's not in a bag" well I can gurantee you that you'll spend less in a weekend of hay.
Basically my argument is here is to treat a horse like a horse, and the barrel racing therapy industry has you suckered..
Also, I've never have spent the $500 on a magnetic blanket and probably adding to an upwards of 1k for a whole outfit. Ditched my softride after I bought them because they were too heavy, yes they do also serve a purpose for injury/rock/cement situations, BUT have you all ever walked around with ankle weights on for a youth? Lol We are all about using lightweight gear, yet we have these huge rubber shoes on our horses up until we run them.
Yup all gimmicks. Although, if one's leg is a little 'loose' or stocked up, they get wrapped. I do use flair strips on one of my horses but no equi-resp. I have a BOT, for use only as needed. I believe in keeping things simple and just letting them be horses. I cringe when I see horses getting 'pre-race therapy'. | |
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| This has been my experience. I don't understand about the not increasing circulation. i was hit in the lower leg by a steer years ago. didn't break the bone but really screwed things up, i have a dead spot in my skin, no sensation and a permanent swelling in that area. when out in vegas doing the marathon window shopping at the nfr, my foot starts to hurt and some tingle, not unusual. I climb on a theraplate low vibration and it makes so much pressure start in my foot up my ankle until it feels almost like it breaks through that spot and made it feel so much better. my feet really thanked me for climbing on that thing.
it doesn't vibrate like a trailer does, a trailer has concussion and drops and jolts, this is a constant low threshold vibration. so we got one on a trial, my mom uses it for herself as much as anything and she is an exercise freak, so its not the only exercise she gets, and my dad sits on it in a chair for his hip joints.
Horse wise, we had a horse come back from a trainer with a bad rope burn and swollen back leg, we fought that with over and over, with our vet, knowledgable lady, for over 2 months. cellulitis(sp?) couldn't get it to go away every treatment we tried nothing worked, put him on theraplate for 2x day, followed the recommended settings and in 2 weeks the swelling was cut in half. After a month he was sound, ugly scar, but sound and no swelling, after 2 months we could ride again and haven't looked back. I don't know much but I know that is the only thing we could get to work on that particular injury for that particular horse. | |
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| I'm not exactly sure how the theraplate works, never really looked too deep into because I know I'll never get to actually use one. But if it's anything like what I put my tired, achy, swollen feet on after working a trade show for a week straight in high heels, my toes were actually starting to feel numb. I was walking around looking at other venders and this man offered me to sit down and put my feet on this vibrating plate thing and I was absolutely blown away at how much better my feet, back and legs felt after 15 minutes! All the feelings in my toes came back and my energy level was amazing. I can't remember what it was called because this was many many years ago, but I sure wish I had one in my house now. | |
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| 3canstorun - 2016-04-06 1:25 PM
While I agree that some vets have never been around a horse except for in vet school, I will say I have a vet who actually owns horses and has had world champions. While I don't know his opinion on this type of thing, I do know he is willing to think outside the box. I.e., we did the crest toothpaste and it did actually take off the warts better then the chemical crap he sales.
However, that funny looking guy on TV is selling the MagnaWave you can hold in your hand. That celebrities and sports people use - last month he was selling Emu Oil.
Just an FYI - carry on
You are lucky you have a vet that thinks out side of the box. They are few and far between, at least in my area. | |
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Location: West Texas | Yall are so funny. More than anything you jumped on me for having opinions for it and reasons why I think it can help. I think I know the difference between being used to it and enjoying it. I have no problems with you not valuing it or using it. Just trying to be helpful with real positive experience. Wish we had one. | |
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Location: Midwest | Tdove - 2016-04-06 3:32 PM Yall are so funny. More than anything you jumped on me for having opinions for it and reasons why I think it can help. I think I know the difference between being used to it and enjoying it. I have no problems with you not valuing it or using it. Just trying to be helpful with real positive experience. Wish we had one. You were jumped on because you sounded rude and angry (intended or not)
on the subject at hand, a three figure modality for my horse is not something I chose to invest my money in when it lacks significant clinical data. There are other ways to accomplish things that are much more reasonably priced. Jmho
eta Just realized it costs 3,000. That's not small amount for me...
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2016-04-06 3:43 PM
Tdove - 2016-04-06 3:32 PM Yall are so funny. More than anything you jumped on me for having opinions for it and reasons why I think it can help. I think I know the difference between being used to it and enjoying it. I have no problems with you not valuing it or using it. Just trying to be helpful with real positive experience. Wish we had one. You were jumped on because you sounded rude and angry (intended or not)
on the subject at hand, a three figure modality for my horse is not something I chose to invest my money in when it lacks significant clinical data. There are other ways to accomplish things that are much more reasonably priced. Jmho
eta Just realized it costs 3,000. That's not small amount for me...
Even if you can afford it, I don't think it makes much sense. People who have money, don't typically accumulate wealth because they are gullible.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I have no experience with a Theraplate. But I do use the human equivelent in the gym after I workout. I find that it does relax and loosen the muscles. Since starting a fairly serious conditioning program about three months ago, I have never really been sore and I really attribute it to use of the human theraplate (whatever it is called). | |
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| SC Wrangler - 2016-04-06 4:46 PM
I have no experience with a Theraplate. But I do use the human equivelent in the gym after I workout. I find that it does relax and loosen the muscles. Since starting a fairly serious conditioning program about three months ago, I have never really been sore and I really attribute it to use of the human theraplate (whatever it is called).
Probably the same thing I got to use... maybe an updated version.. but I can attest to the effectiveness of it! | |
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Location: Louisiana | My vet purchased a human version for his wife. I forget what her health issue is...
But, he said all it did for him was make him release tension in the form of gas. Thanks doc
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Location: sunny california | I had a cat that would jump on the plate and meow until you turned it on. she would stand there for a long time then lay on it | |
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Location: Oregon | Well, I guess if we all had the same beliefs, same tastes, everything worked the same for everybody, we all liked the same tv shows and music (as long as they aren’t vegetarians and like rodeo’s), all loved the same color, we would live in a boring world. So happy we’re all different with all different experiences so everything can balance itself out.  | |
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| It reminds me of the vibrating beds at the cheap motels. Lol | |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | I haven't read through all the posts, but I bought a theraplate when they first came out. I thought it would be awesome for my "hot" barrel horse who has arthritis. Well I soon found out he absolutely hated standing on the **** thing. I would've needed to buy stocks just for him to stand on it for longer than 5 minutes. Finally I gave up and recently sold that effing thing for $1500.00 when I roughly paid $5000.00 and it was barely used just sitting in the barn. I've never been so happy to get rid of something. Some people love them but I couldn't even get my horse to remotely relax on it so I seen no benefits. | |
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| dashnlotti - 2016-04-06 5:27 PM
My vet purchased a human version for his wife. I forget what her health issue is...
But, he said all it did for him was make him release tension in the form of gas. Thanks doc
Did he say if it helped his wife ? | |
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| I WILL say that different things work differently for each individual. I bought my Mom some wrist braces for her either arthritic or carpal tunnel. She LOVED them and said they gave her great relief. Put poll pack on a hot horse and he settled right down. I tried magnets on myself and they made me hurt WORSE. So who is right and who is wrong? Even if it is from a placebo affect, getting results would be worth going through the motions.
When I had the Theraplate on trial, I had two with chronic injuries and did not want to stand on injured leg, so I had to push them to stand on that leg. After a few days they were happy to get on and stay on. My colt accidently stepped off the front, freaked out and started to back off. Before I could get to him he stepped back on and stood quietly, indicating he liked it ( in my eyes anyways, he wasn't tied). And I did have that adhesion break loose on myself, so there is some indication of an effect, but then I read all the thing it is "supposed" to help and I can't help thinking...."Yeah, right".
I just recently was told that the Theraplate is circular and the Equivibe is up and down (sounds more tiring and possibly damaging to me). Does anyone have any insight to THAT part of the argument?
I do know that if there is something out there that would help me keep this senior mare I am running, going strong for a few more years, I would take the chance, even if it was to only make ME feel better about running the poo out of her.
On the vet thing. I have found that I trust the old, experienced vets much more than the new ones who depend on new technology to make their diagnosis. Had a mare colic and my "old" vet told me that she had twisted the small intestine because he could feel the tension on the ligament attached to it and sent me off to State for surgery. At State they told me that there was no way my vet could tell if there was a twist and it took tow hours, several pieces of diagnostic equipment and several student and teaching vets to tell me that they would have to open her up before they could tell me what was wrong. Opened her up and.....she had a 360 degree twist of the small intestine. There are many other instances where good, experienced vets have diagnosed and sometimes unconventionally treated horses that expensive diagnostic equipment could give no answers on. I HATE that my good vets are all getting old and starting to retire!
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Location: Florida.. | Alot of clients wanted their horses on it for 2 minutes high 4 minutes low then 4 minutes high.. we had one at barn, had stocks they would walk right on.. Horses were all relaxed on it .. a working student would stand near by in case freak outs but none happened.. then the horses would go back to their stalls.. no real differance other then its like a spa day. a massage. lol.. and it was the "in" thing so clients thought it was cool.. helped or not I dont know.. it didnt hurt the horse though..Personally I get on a treadmill and the vibration from it makes me all wobbly when I get off it. lol. | |
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Location: north dakota | My only experience I had with a theraplate (similar product) was a 70 year old male patient I had in the ER for a possible hip fracture. When I asked him what happened he said he was using a vibrator and when he was done he got dizzy and fell. Turns out it was a vibrating plate that he bought off of the TV for a bargain price of $2500. He had it shipped to his place and the first time he used it, he got really dizzy and when he stepped off he tripped and fell. He bought it because it was suppose to improve his health. He did in fact break his hip.
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Off the Wall Wacky
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Location: Louisiana | GLP - 2016-04-06 6:21 PM
dashnlotti - 2016-04-06 5:27 PM
My vet purchased a human version for his wife. I forget what her health issue is...
But, he said all it did for him was make him release tension in the form of gas. Thanks doc
Did he say if it helped his wife ?
He was skeptical. | |
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Location: Jersey Girl | LabRat - 2016-04-06 12:59 PM Year after year, I see barrel racers pouring thousands of dollars in to alternative therapy, gadgets and treatments. All to which their horses continue to run about the same, with no drastic improvement. What's the cost/benefit factor? Peace of mind for yourself? What I guess I'm saying is a person sure can get carried away with the latest and greatest, and money might be better off spent on lessons and/or training as a way to improve their game.
Back in the day when I did game shows, my horse did 6-12 events in a single day. He didn't get anything other then an absorbine bath afterwards. I fed him to the best of my knowledge then. No supplements, oral or IM. No PHT, no BOT. In between shows I trail rode. ALOT. For HOURS at at time. And you know what? He lived to be 30 with no issues. NONE. My point is makes me wonder about all this stuff too.....and for horses that don't really work that hard! (compared to race horses that WORK six days a week) | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | fulltiltfilly - 2016-04-07 10:01 AM LabRat - 2016-04-06 12:59 PM Year after year, I see barrel racers pouring thousands of dollars in to alternative therapy, gadgets and treatments. All to which their horses continue to run about the same, with no drastic improvement. What's the cost/benefit factor? Peace of mind for yourself? What I guess I'm saying is a person sure can get carried away with the latest and greatest, and money might be better off spent on lessons and/or training as a way to improve their game. Back in the day when I did game shows, my horse did 6-12 events in a single day. He didn't get anything other then an absorbine bath afterwards. I fed him to the best of my knowledge then. No supplements, oral or IM. No PHT, no BOT. In between shows I trail rode. ALOT. For HOURS at at time. And you know what? He lived to be 30 with no issues. NONE. My point is makes me wonder about all this stuff too.....and for horses that don't really work that hard! (compared to race horses that WORK six days a week)
I was just talking about this to my friend. I always did every event a horse shows with my horse when we were little, the ground was NEVER worked, liniment was the only special thing my horse got. And god forbid if my saddle actually fit!?
I know for a fact my horses are spoiled now, but its the nature of the beast I think?! lol If you don't you will be an outcast
He's 24 not, never been lame, and still running.......things that make you go hmmmm | |
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Location: Jersey Girl | SmokinGirlie - 2016-04-07 11:07 AM fulltiltfilly - 2016-04-07 10:01 AM LabRat - 2016-04-06 12:59 PM Year after year, I see barrel racers pouring thousands of dollars in to alternative therapy, gadgets and treatments. All to which their horses continue to run about the same, with no drastic improvement. What's the cost/benefit factor? Peace of mind for yourself? What I guess I'm saying is a person sure can get carried away with the latest and greatest, and money might be better off spent on lessons and/or training as a way to improve their game. Back in the day when I did game shows, my horse did 6-12 events in a single day. He didn't get anything other then an absorbine bath afterwards. I fed him to the best of my knowledge then. No supplements, oral or IM. No PHT, no BOT. In between shows I trail rode. ALOT. For HOURS at at time. And you know what? He lived to be 30 with no issues. NONE. My point is makes me wonder about all this stuff too.....and for horses that don't really work that hard! (compared to race horses that WORK six days a week)
I know for a fact my horses are spoiled now, but its the nature of the beast I think?! lol If you don't you will be an outcast
He's 24 not, never been lame, and still running.......things that make you go hmmmm
Yeah mine are spoiled too!! I do have a BOT sheet and the quick wraps I use on him at shows. I do like the BOT I have used those on myself and they did help. | |
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Location: So Cal | Reminds me of being at the NBHA race in Vegas, stalled next to someone who left their horse's stall full of pee, adding to the horrible ammonia smell that place ends up having that burns your nose, but don't worry, they put those nasal strips on their horse so he could breathe! | |
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Location: So Cal | Good basic horse care does more than most of the gimmicky stuff. Hardly anyone truly walks their horse out well after a run if you pay attention (and a lot don't warm up properly beforehand). That was something that was instilled in me young and makes a bigger difference than anything in stiffness and swelling. I walk my horse out from on top of her for awhile, then unsaddle and go walk some more. When staying somewhere for a race, I'm getting my horse out to walk all the time if she's being kept in a small stall... common sense. | |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | turnnburnkota - 2016-04-07 8:54 AM
Reminds me of being at the NBHA race in Vegas, stalled next to someone who left their horse's stall full of pee, adding to the horrible ammonia smell that place ends up having that burns your nose, but don't worry, they put those nasal strips on their horse so he could breathe!
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| fulltiltfilly - 2016-04-07 10:01 AM LabRat - 2016-04-06 12:59 PM Year after year, I see barrel racers pouring thousands of dollars in to alternative therapy, gadgets and treatments. All to which their horses continue to run about the same, with no drastic improvement. What's the cost/benefit factor? Peace of mind for yourself? What I guess I'm saying is a person sure can get carried away with the latest and greatest, and money might be better off spent on lessons and/or training as a way to improve their game. Back in the day when I did game shows, my horse did 6-12 events in a single day. He didn't get anything other then an absorbine bath afterwards. I fed him to the best of my knowledge then. No supplements, oral or IM. No PHT, no BOT. In between shows I trail rode. ALOT. For HOURS at at time. And you know what? He lived to be 30 with no issues. NONE. My point is makes me wonder about all this stuff too.....and for horses that don't really work that hard! (compared to race horses that WORK six days a week)
This is a great point. Do we prepare our horses physically so they're able to withstand the hard turns, sprinting, and varying ground conditions? This may be off topic of the TheraPlate, but perhaps if we trained and rode our horses BALANCED, we wouldn't be throwing their bodies out of whack, and ultimately creating injuries. If my horse can't survive a weekend jackpot without all of the special treatments in between runs, maybe I shouldn't be running them. | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | LabRat - 2016-04-08 9:34 AM
fulltiltfilly - 2016-04-07 10:01 AM LabRat - 2016-04-06 12:59 PM Year after year, I see barrel racers pouring thousands of dollars in to alternative therapy, gadgets and treatments. All to which their horses continue to run about the same, with no drastic improvement. What's the cost/benefit factor? Peace of mind for yourself? What I guess I'm saying is a person sure can get carried away with the latest and greatest, and money might be better off spent on lessons and/or training as a way to improve their game. Back in the day when I did game shows, my horse did 6-12 events in a single day. He didn't get anything other then an absorbine bath afterwards. I fed him to the best of my knowledge then. No supplements, oral or IM. No PHT, no BOT. In between shows I trail rode. ALOT. For HOURS at at time. And you know what? He lived to be 30 with no issues. NONE. My point is makes me wonder about all this stuff too.....and for horses that don't really work that hard! (compared to race horses that WORK six days a week)
This is a great point. Do we prepare our horses physically so they're able to withstand the hard turns, sprinting, and varying ground conditions? This may be off topic of the TheraPlate, but perhaps if we trained and rode our horses BALANCED, we wouldn't be throwing their bodies out of whack, and ultimately creating injuries. If my horse can't survive a weekend jackpot without all of the special treatments in between runs, maybe I shouldn't be running them.
This...I grew up on a QH/Arab cross mare. Until I got a job at 16 and could afford to have her shod I did my own trims on her, she got fed good clean hay and oats, no supplements and had a salt block. I ran barrels, poles, break away roped, team roped and played in the cutting pen to try to pick up points in HS rodeo, the guys used her to steer wrestle off of, the only time she wasn't in the arena performing was rough stock events. If I wasn't at school I was on her back in the creek riding. I also ran game shows on her. When I had to have her put down at 33 years old she was still sound and I don't remember her ever taking a bad step. I don't even think I owned bell boots back then either. At 28 the little girl down the road used her for HS rodeo for poles and barrels, they ended up in the top 5 in the district for poles. I quit running her when she was 30 but still hauled her with me to the game shows and let kids use her for lead line classes or she got depressed. | |
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Location: Louisiana | turnnburnkota - 2016-04-07 10:57 AM
Good basic horse care does more than most of the gimmicky stuff. Hardly anyone truly walks their horse out well after a run if you pay attention (and a lot don't warm up properly beforehand). That was something that was instilled in me young and makes a bigger difference than anything in stiffness and swelling. I walk my horse out from on top of her for awhile, then unsaddle and go walk some more. When staying somewhere for a race, I'm getting my horse out to walk all the time if she's being kept in a small stall... common sense.
I am often the ONLY person walking my horse after a rodeo or barrel race. And people look at me like I'm crazy for walking around the warmup area on foot lol.
I haul with a friend and her horse goes straight to the trailer and she will leave him saddled until it's time to go. I've made people wait on me to go home bc it was my horse's dinner time and by golly he was gonna eat before the 5 hour drive home!!
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I Don't Brag
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| Heck I get dirty looks if I take a horse through the pattern without protective boots on. Those boots didn't exist back then. And as far as walking a horse out, after a 15 second run, if the walk back to the trailer is not sufficient then I am doing something wrong. My friend walked my horses out for a half hour after making a run and it piffed my ponies off.
Y'all have a point, BUT....
I also remember horses that went through bits, riders and abuse because they quit working.....because they hurt. They never went to the vet. I also think were are breeding unsoundness in to them.
So who is right? If they are not spending MY money I don't really care how they spend theirs. | |
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| rodeoveteran - 2016-04-07 10:09 AM Heck I get dirty looks if I take a horse through the pattern without protective boots on. Those boots didn't exist back then. And as far as walking a horse out, after a 15 second run, if the walk back to the trailer is not sufficient then I am doing something wrong. My friend walked my horses out for a half hour after making a run and it piffed my ponies off. Y'all have a point, BUT.... I also remember horses that went through bits, riders and abuse because they quit working.....because they hurt. They never went to the vet. I also think were are breeding unsoundness in to them. So who is right? If they are not spending MY money I don't really care how they spend theirs.
Totally agree. To each their own. Whatever works for you and your horse. So much judgment on what others are doing or not doing. If it doesn't affect you why spend time worrying about it. | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | After the gymkhana this weekend I hosed the horses off, and put poultice on their legs and then handwalked them for a while. As I was headed around near the announcers table everyone looked at my horses and asked if they had gotten hurt. Nope, just trying to prevent problems. You know what they say about an ounce of prevention...I bioscanned them when we got home too. My little HS rodeo mare would have thought I'd fallen off something and bumped my head, LOL!!! You do the best you can until you know more and then you do better right? | |
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| This is a little off topic since Iv never even seen a theraplate in person. . . but I too ran playdays when I was a kid, and each horse ran 4-5 events a day. We hauled in a stock trailer, didnt know what leg boots were, or linament, and never had an issue. Im totally the opposite now and the biggest reason is the horses I rode then were 3d barrel horses that came from a long line of nothing but work horses. If you have a "well bred" horse now days, they are a lot more sensitive to things than they used to be. Partly because they have been bred that way. They put more effort into a run that my horses did when I was a kid too. | |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Exaclty, I think in breeding speed into them, they are running fast enough to tear themselves up too. | |
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Location: western Nebraska | I have a human one-it is called a sunny. I think it is being sold as a weight loss thing. I haven't lost any weight on it though and that was not why I bought it. I have had a lot of horse wrecks with lots of broken bones and I am sore all the time. The first week I think I got worse and then got way better. It must have started loosing up all the scar tissue-I have no clue. Anyway I got busy this winter and it because a store all. I just started back using it and it is great. But I always see the horse ones at the big shows and my from own personal experience I was worse the first few times so I don't see the benefit of putting your horse on it at a show for one or two times when you are there to run. | |
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| run n rate - 2016-04-07 1:32 PM
Exaclty, I think in breeding speed into them, they are running fast enough to tear themselves up too.
I agree with your statement that today's barrel horses are running harder & there are challenges with them holding up physically.
I talked to the stallion manager at Lazy E last year. He expressed his opinion that the QH race industry is breeding the bone and feet right out of horses. I think the barrel industry has done the same, to some degree. Pedigree name is often favored over a solid conformation, strictly for marketability purposes. That said, of course we'd all love to have as much pedigree, conformation, eye appeal as possible.
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| rodeoveteran - 2016-04-07 12:09 PM Heck I get dirty looks if I take a horse through the pattern without protective boots on. Those boots didn't exist back then. And as far as walking a horse out, after a 15 second run, if the walk back to the trailer is not sufficient then I am doing something wrong. My friend walked my horses out for a half hour after making a run and it piffed my ponies off. Y'all have a point, BUT.... I also remember horses that went through bits, riders and abuse because they quit working.....because they hurt. They never went to the vet. I also think were are breeding unsoundness in to them. So who is right? If they are not spending MY money I don't really care how they spend theirs.
I keep mine in good shape, I don't ask for all out, I am usually in the bottom of the 2D or top of the 3D. Mine are not even breathing hard by the time we walk back to the trailer after a run. | |
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| barrelracer1983 - 2016-04-07 11:23 AM
turnnburnkota - 2016-04-07 8:54 AM
Reminds me of being at the NBHA race in Vegas, stalled next to someone who left their horse's stall full of pee, adding to the horrible ammonia smell that place ends up having that burns your nose, but don't worry, they put those nasal strips on their horse so he could breathe!
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..... I have also witnessed this. Plus they give their horse 15 different supplements when they feed, 2 shots, 3 different pastes, (which are then just thrown in front of the stall) and are all decked out in BOT or PHT stuff, a hood and blanket.
Why would they spend so much time, effort and money on their horse and then they are so lazy they let them stand in a nasty wet urine filled stall for a freaking week. | |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | horsiace1025 - 2016-04-07 2:18 PM This is a little off topic since Iv never even seen a theraplate in person. . . but I too ran playdays when I was a kid, and each horse ran 4-5 events a day. We hauled in a stock trailer, didnt know what leg boots were, or linament, and never had an issue. Im totally the opposite now and the biggest reason is the horses I rode then were 3d barrel horses that came from a long line of nothing but work horses. If you have a "well bred" horse now days, they are a lot more sensitive to things than they used to be. Partly because they have been bred that way. They put more effort into a run that my horses did when I was a kid too.
Not sure I agree with the putting more effort in, but the rest I agree with. Now they are bred with plenty of Thoroughbred influence. Changed the game from those stocky old bulldog foundation QH's. Look at bone structure alone from the horses that ran barrels back in the 50's/60's to today's bunch. But are today's horses faster? By and far, yes I believe they are. So it's the price we pay in a sense.
Back to Theraplate, I've seen it at the big races, I am skeptical and am not interested in it, but if someone believes it helps their horse then go for it. Unless some study comes out saying it's harmful then really it's a personal preference for people and I don't fault anyone for choosing or not choosing to do it (or any other therapy. ) | |
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Location: So Cal | rodeoveteran - 2016-04-07 10:09 AM
And as far as walking a horse out, after a 15 second run, if the walk back to the trailer is not sufficient then I am doing something wrong. My friend walked my horses out for a half hour after making a run and it piffed my ponies off.
It might be "sufficient" for them to catch their air, and I'm not saying you're going to kill your horse by just walking them back, but in my experience, I tend to have a lot less problems with my horse being stiff when I go back to have her move again. She is naturally "tight" by nature so the more walking the better, before runs, after runs, at home she has a big pen and wanders around on her own. | |
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| horsiace1025 - 2016-04-07 1:18 PM
This is a little off topic since Iv never even seen a theraplate in person. . . but I too ran playdays when I was a kid, and each horse ran 4-5 events a day. We hauled in a stock trailer, didnt know what leg boots were, or linament, and never had an issue. Im totally the opposite now and the biggest reason is the horses I rode then were 3d barrel horses that came from a long line of nothing but work horses. If you have a "well bred" horse now days, they are a lot more sensitive to things than they used to be. Partly because they have been bred that way. They put more effort into a run that my horses did when I was a kid too.
Exactly. And with athletes that are running those speeds and doing that damage, you have the treatment methods popping up that may or may not actually be doing anything. My mare loves the theraplate at her aquatread facility. She stands up there and looks smug. Is it doing jack? Well, no idea, but I promise you the whole world would know if it bothered the Queen one little bit.
There's tons and tons of treatments out there, but really, I'm not even so sure that just the plain human interaction and care of the animals being treated isn't what is truly the best thing for them. A horse on a theraplate is one that's getting petted, and talked to, and messed with. That must take the mind in a different direction than the soreness or what have you they are experiencing.
For people that have nice performance horses in their barn to say that they have seen them work, I'm not about to gainsay them. I think it's amazing for people to try to be in tune with their animals, and doing what they think is good for them.
The people that I roll my eyes at are the ones that say, "It's just a horse. It's just a tool. He's never been to the vet. He doesn't need to go to the vet. He's not sore, you're just making things up. My shoer does a good job, they're not supposed to have any heel. I give him _____supplement, I don't believe in essential oils (then reads back of package), Oh, I guess it's got essential oils in it. He bled from both nostrils, I guess he gets tomorrow off. He limps unless I give him bute, but then he's fine, we entered slack. I don't care, seventeen seconds of work isn't going to kill him." Blah, blah, blah.
I think we need to be as informed as we possibly can make ourselves, but I'm old enough to know that there's voodoo out there that shouldn't work, can't work, that really is just the ticket. You've just never lived until you've been totally skeptical of some voodoo/magic spell shtttt and it works right in front of your eyes...but none of this is ever a replacement for time spent with your horse, keen observation, and knowing when to stop doing whatever it is you're doing and seek help.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | classicpotatochip - 2016-04-07 2:08 PM horsiace1025 - 2016-04-07 1:18 PM This is a little off topic since Iv never even seen a theraplate in person. . . but I too ran playdays when I was a kid, and each horse ran 4-5 events a day. We hauled in a stock trailer, didnt know what leg boots were, or linament, and never had an issue. Im totally the opposite now and the biggest reason is the horses I rode then were 3d barrel horses that came from a long line of nothing but work horses. If you have a "well bred" horse now days, they are a lot more sensitive to things than they used to be. Partly because they have been bred that way. They put more effort into a run that my horses did when I was a kid too. Exactly. And with athletes that are running those speeds and doing that damage, you have the treatment methods popping up that may or may not actually be doing anything. My mare loves the theraplate at her aquatread facility. She stands up there and looks smug. Is it doing jack? Well, no idea, but I promise you the whole world would know if it bothered the Queen one little bit. There's tons and tons of treatments out there, but really, I'm not even so sure that just the plain human interaction and care of the animals being treated isn't what is truly the best thing for them. A horse on a theraplate is one that's getting petted, and talked to, and messed with. That must take the mind in a different direction than the soreness or what have you they are experiencing. For people that have nice performance horses in their barn to say that they have seen them work, I'm not about to gainsay them. I think it's amazing for people to try to be in tune with their animals, and doing what they think is good for them. The people that I roll my eyes at are the ones that say, "It's just a horse. It's just a tool. He's never been to the vet. He doesn't need to go to the vet. He's not sore, you're just making things up. My shoer does a good job, they're not supposed to have any heel. I give him _____supplement, I don't believe in essential oils (then reads back of package ), Oh, I guess it's got essential oils in it. He bled from both nostrils, I guess he gets tomorrow off. He limps unless I give him bute, but then he's fine, we entered slack. I don't care, seventeen seconds of work isn't going to kill him." Blah, blah, blah. I think we need to be as informed as we possibly can make ourselves, but I'm old enough to know that there's voodoo out there that shouldn't work, can't work, that really is just the ticket. You've just never lived until you've been totally skeptical of some voodoo/magic spell shtttt and it works right in front of your eyes...but none of this is ever a replacement for time spent with your horse, keen observation, and knowing when to stop doing whatever it is you're doing and seek help.
This. My mare loves the Equivibe, and she will actually look for it at events and stand on it alone with noone around. But she would also be the first one to say something about it if she hated it. I owe her more than anything and if standing on a vibration plate makes her happy, she can stand on it all day! LOL
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| classicpotatochip - 2016-04-07 2:08 PM
horsiace1025 - 2016-04-07 1:18 PM
This is a little off topic since Iv never even seen a theraplate in person. . . but I too ran playdays when I was a kid, and each horse ran 4-5 events a day. We hauled in a stock trailer, didnt know what leg boots were, or linament, and never had an issue. Im totally the opposite now and the biggest reason is the horses I rode then were 3d barrel horses that came from a long line of nothing but work horses. If you have a "well bred" horse now days, they are a lot more sensitive to things than they used to be. Partly because they have been bred that way. They put more effort into a run that my horses did when I was a kid too.
Exactly. And with athletes that are running those speeds and doing that damage, you have the treatment methods popping up that may or may not actually be doing anything. My mare loves the theraplate at her aquatread facility. She stands up there and looks smug. Is it doing jack? Well, no idea, but I promise you the whole world would know if it bothered the Queen one little bit.
There's tons and tons of treatments out there, but really, I'm not even so sure that just the plain human interaction and care of the animals being treated isn't what is truly the best thing for them. A horse on a theraplate is one that's getting petted, and talked to, and messed with. That must take the mind in a different direction than the soreness or what have you they are experiencing.
For people that have nice performance horses in their barn to say that they have seen them work, I'm not about to gainsay them. I think it's amazing for people to try to be in tune with their animals, and doing what they think is good for them.
The people that I roll my eyes at are the ones that say, "It's just a horse. It's just a tool. He's never been to the vet. He doesn't need to go to the vet. He's not sore, you're just making things up. My shoer does a good job, they're not supposed to have any heel. I give him _____supplement, I don't believe in essential oils (then reads back of package ), Oh, I guess it's got essential oils in it. He bled from both nostrils, I guess he gets tomorrow off. He limps unless I give him bute, but then he's fine, we entered slack. I don't care, seventeen seconds of work isn't going to kill him." Blah, blah, blah.
I think we need to be as informed as we possibly can make ourselves, but I'm old enough to know that there's voodoo out there that shouldn't work, can't work, that really is just the ticket. You've just never lived until you've been totally skeptical of some voodoo/magic spell shtttt and it works right in front of your eyes...but none of this is ever a replacement for time spent with your horse, keen observation, and knowing when to stop doing whatever it is you're doing and seek help.
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Location: Florida.. | turnnburnkota - 2016-04-07 3:04 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-04-07 10:09 AM And as far as walking a horse out, after a 15 second run, if the walk back to the trailer is not sufficient then I am doing something wrong. My friend walked my horses out for a half hour after making a run and it piffed my ponies off. It might be "sufficient" for them to catch their air, and I'm not saying you're going to kill your horse by just walking them back, but in my experience, I tend to have a lot less problems with my horse being stiff when I go back to have her move again. She is naturally "tight" by nature so the more walking the better, before runs, after runs, at home she has a big pen and wanders around on her own.
depends how far the trailer is..for the horse to exert its muscles like that and not cool off the muscles it has a chance of tying up...half hour is excessive but you should cool them off.. the muscles need it..no matter how fit they are.. but we all do it differant.. | |
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Location: cincinnati, oh | I'm going to zip up my flame suit.... I have used a vibe plate on my horse. I felt like it helped with some muscle soreness but its not a cure all. I have heard first hand people say that it can replace exercising your horse. I dont believe that hooey for a minute. NOTHING replaces saddle time. No swimming pool, aquatred, vibe plate, etc will replace good old fashioned saddle time! I have personally listened to someone that owns a rehab facility tell people that it will help horses that are bleeders to no longer bleed, it will fix soft tissue type injuries, tendon and suspensory injuries, speed healing for cuts and burns, treats navicular, speeds healing of broken bones, etc and I think its snake oil. | |
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Location: South MS | I have an Equivibe. Do I think it was a wise investment? No, not really - I only have one horse now - if I had several horses, and horses were my business instead of a hobby, I would say yes.
Does it work as advertised? I would say that it's not a "cure all" product but there are true benefits......just not what I had in mind (laughing at myself here)! I have serious back issues (L4/L5, sciatica, scoliosis) and I will stand on it for 10 minutes on "35" and I get an intense deep massage from it, relief for a little while and my back muscles really relax. So how does the horse benefit from it? - I use it to warm her up before riding and it's used to cool her down after riding. She's on it for 30 minutes each time. She moves more freely (relaxed) and isn't as stiff by the time she goes out for the evening. I'm guessing it works on her the way it works on me......deep massage......and she's on it at "50" for 10 of those minutes then 40, 30, and then base 10. She loves being on it, so it must be working right?! Does it cure stifle issues, grow better feet, etc? I'm not sold on that - I have a very good (and simple) feed program now and the only supplement she gets is MSM - and I think that's where most of her improvement has been from.
So to wrap it up - I think people want a quick fix from these machines and they aren't going to get it. To see any benefit, the horse would have to stay on the machine for a good length of time and a lot of people don't want to commit that much time to it and still have to work (take care of?!) the horse.
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Location: Sebeka, MN | Have to agree. Lots of people with nice horse don't clean a stall for a 3 day weekend. The barns make your nose burn when you walk through them. All the BOT and thereaplates in the world won't help the lung damage. | |
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Location: North Dakota | FlyingJT - 2016-04-06 11:42 AM rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 11:30 AM FlyingJT - 2016-04-06 11:28 AM rodeoveteran - 2016-04-06 10:56 AM Buuut doctors are always telling me to apply ice and heat to injuries to increase circulation. The same thing with vets and trainers with all the ice boots, hosing, blistering, poultice and liniments. So what is up with that Doc? Heat opens up blood vessels increasing circulation, Cold constricts blood vessels decreasing blood flow which decreases inflammation. These are proven also.... I understand THAT. But according to the vet in this article, the circulatory system is closed so you CAN'T increase blood flow to a particular area. I think he means long term... You can heat an area up and dilate the vessels and increase circulation but as soon as you remove the heat it will return to it's normal state. For injuries we ice to help decrease inflammation and allow the area to heal, but as soon as we stop icing it swells again, that's why we do it several times a day.
Ohhh that makes more sense. I couldn't figure out where he was going with the "increasing circulation" thing. Anywho, my barn owner bought one and lets me use it whenever I want (when she's up here anyway, she goes south for the winter and takes it with her). I put my horse on it all last summer, in hopes of helping his KS. I really noticed no discernable difference. I don't think it's harmful, and heck, I will probably still use it since it's free, but would NEVER spend the money on one considering there really is no proof. | |
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Location: South MS | betsykuschel - 2016-04-08 9:20 AM Have to agree. Lots of people with nice horse don't clean a stall for a 3 day weekend. The barns make your nose burn when you walk through them. All the BOT and thereaplates in the world won't help the lung damage.
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | skeeter7 - 2016-04-08 6:47 AM
I'm going to zip up my flame suit.... I have used a vibe plate on my horse. I felt like it helped with some muscle soreness but its not a cure all. I have heard first hand people say that it can replace exercising your horse. I dont believe that hooey for a minute. NOTHING replaces saddle time. No swimming pool, aquatred, vibe plate, etc will replace good old fashioned saddle time! I have personally listened to someone that owns a rehab facility tell people that it will help horses that are bleeders to no longer bleed, it will fix soft tissue type injuries, tendon and suspensory injuries, speed healing for cuts and burns, treats navicular, speeds healing of broken bones, etc and I think its snake oil.
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| highonsugar - 2016-04-08 9:43 AM
betsykuschel - 2016-04-08 9:20 AM Have to agree. Lots of people with nice horse don't clean a stall for a 3 day weekend. The barns make your nose burn when you walk through them. All the BOT and thereaplates in the world won't help the lung damage.
I can't even imagine NOT cleaning out my horse's stall......even for an overnighter
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Griz - 2016-04-08 11:14 AM highonsugar - 2016-04-08 9:43 AM betsykuschel - 2016-04-08 9:20 AM Have to agree. Lots of people with nice horse don't clean a stall for a 3 day weekend. The barns make your nose burn when you walk through them. All the BOT and thereaplates in the world won't help the lung damage. I can't even imagine NOT cleaning out my horse's stall......even for an overnighter ME NEITHER! I am a "turd removal FA-REAAK!"
When I am at an event I pick my stalls every few hours. I am picky but I always seem to be by somebody that either never cleans or cleans their stalls by dumping it into the aisle and leaving it all week. Disgusting!!! | |
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Location: South Central Florida | highonsugar - 2016-04-08 10:43 AM betsykuschel - 2016-04-08 9:20 AM Have to agree. Lots of people with nice horse don't clean a stall for a 3 day weekend. The barns make your nose burn when you walk through them. All the BOT and thereaplates in the world won't help the lung damage. I can't even imagine NOT cleaning out my horse's stall......even for an overnighter
We were stalled beside 2 people last year that NEVER CLEANED THE STALLS. Not once. They didn't even add more shavings the whole 8 or 9 days. It was horrible. I have seen some that were not great, but nothing like this. I should have taken photo's it was that bad.
We had a problem ourselves last year, for the first time we hauled big rubber mats for the whole week to put on the concrete. We have done it for short 3 days shows, but last year was the first year for the whole week+ on concrete.
My daughters mare didn't like or dislike the Thereplate at the shows we tried it, but I hated it when I stood on it, so I'm not really a big fan. I think thre may be some circumstances that it would work in but not all the time. Just my opinion.
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Location: **Cactus Country down in South Texas*** | Bibliafarm - 2016-04-07 9:12 PM
turnnburnkota - 2016-04-07 3:04 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-04-07 10:09 AM And as far as walking a horse out, after a 15 second run, if the walk back to the trailer is not sufficient then I am doing something wrong. My friend walked my horses out for a half hour after making a run and it piffed my ponies off. It might be "sufficient" for them to catch their air, and I'm not saying you're going to kill your horse by just walking them back, but in my experience, I tend to have a lot less problems with my horse being stiff when I go back to have her move again. She is naturally "tight" by nature so the more walking the better, before runs, after runs, at home she has a big pen and wanders around on her own.
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Location: Beggs, OK | fulltiltfilly - 2016-04-07 10:01 AM LabRat - 2016-04-06 12:59 PM Year after year, I see barrel racers pouring thousands of dollars in to alternative therapy, gadgets and treatments. All to which their horses continue to run about the same, with no drastic improvement. What's the cost/benefit factor? Peace of mind for yourself? What I guess I'm saying is a person sure can get carried away with the latest and greatest, and money might be better off spent on lessons and/or training as a way to improve their game. Back in the day when I did game shows, my horse did 6-12 events in a single day. He didn't get anything other then an absorbine bath afterwards. I fed him to the best of my knowledge then. No supplements, oral or IM. No PHT, no BOT. In between shows I trail rode. ALOT. For HOURS at at time. And you know what? He lived to be 30 with no issues. NONE. My point is makes me wonder about all this stuff too.....and for horses that don't really work that hard! (compared to race horses that WORK six days a week)
We have access to indoor arenas everywhere now too. Horses don't get the months of rest that they used to. That's going to change the game and require more maintenance as much as anything. Around her you can go any night of the week all year long....We didn't have that "back in the day". | |
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| Kry5ta1 - 2016-04-06 6:17 PM
This entire thread... is great.
I agree... Yay for consumers in the barrel racing world to start developing some critical thinking skills!!! ?????? | |
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| trickster j - 2016-04-11 12:55 AM
Kry5ta1 - 2016-04-06 6:17 PM
This entire thread... is great.
I agree... Yay for consumers in the barrel racing world to start developing some critical thinking skills!!! ??????
I just wanna know who wants in on my frisbee deal?!?!?
Counter clock on the right hip can get you up to .2 faster!!
I've got 2 pro girls and 2 futurity girls lined up to do a commercial during the BBR webcast. Frisbees will come in sparkle, sugar skull, cheetah, and working on some beading/stone looks reminiscant of mad cow company gear.
Get them to match your PHT blankets, Hidez suits, and soft rides!! We can even color coordinate to your tie dye pants and helmets too!!!
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| astreakinchic - 2016-04-11 6:58 AM trickster j - 2016-04-11 12:55 AM Kry5ta1 - 2016-04-06 6:17 PM This entire thread... is great. I agree... Yay for consumers in the barrel racing world to start developing some critical thinking skills!!! ?????? I just wanna know who wants in on my frisbee deal?!?!? Counter clock on the right hip can get you up to .2 faster!! I've got 2 pro girls and 2 futurity girls lined up to do a commercial during the BBR webcast. Frisbees will come in sparkle, sugar skull, cheetah, and working on some beading/stone looks reminiscant of mad cow company gear. Get them to match your PHT blankets, Hidez suits, and soft rides!! We can even color coordinate to your tie dye pants and helmets too!!!
Awesome! And I want to make sure I get those thermal ceramic leg wraps for my horses legs too- because who wants nice tight ligaments and tendons below the knees?? | |
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| So, someone clear this up for me. I have not competed in over 15 years so I know some things have changed as far as horse care. I thought we warmed our horses up so that their tendon, muscles and ligaments were more supple and flexible so that they would not get injured running the barrels. And then after our run, we wanted to cool them down and hose/ice the legs so that we could get any inflammation that might be harmful out of the tendons and ligaments. | |
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| ok so I bought a thera plate after I had it on trial,,,,,I had a mare founder right after I got it,,put her immediately on it and I can attest that it helped SAVE her life,,,,I had a blanket on her and for the next 30 days,,3 times a day,,,,at 30 day check up with our vet
we pulled the blanket off,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and could not beleive what we saw,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the vets wife asked me if I had been riding her,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,her muscles were CUT holy smokes Arnold!!!!
amazingly,,,,the rotation had stopped and actually on one foot came back up a little,,,,,a degree or two!!!!!
the vets wife bought a theraplate!!
also,,,I have used it to cool a horse out,,,on that cycle in the book,,,,I was riding and working on barrels and my horse was hot and sweaty,,,a storm blew in and soaked us,,,,I got to my barn and put her,,,,,still breathing hard,,,,,on the plate,,,,,it cooled her completely out in one cycle,,,and she was dry when I took her off it
also a friend of mine had a severly injured mare,,she had pulled tendons in her hip,,,,,,could not walk and actually would pack her hind leg up under her instead of walking on it,,severe muscle atrophy I have pics,,,,her hip was sliding off on one side ,,,,,after six weeks of 2 or 3 times a day,,,she went back to work and even returned to barrels,,,this is a tough 1D horse in this region and yes she came back and kicked booty!!
I AM SOLD!!!!!!
some of you commenting have NOT experienced what I have with this so please don't coment rudely,,I wouldn't have thought this was awesome either if I had not witnessed first hand
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| GLP - 2016-04-11 7:23 AM So, someone clear this up for me. I have not competed in over 15 years so I know some things have changed as far as horse care. I thought we warmed our horses up so that their tendon, muscles and ligaments were more supple and flexible so that they would not get injured running the barrels. And then after our run, we wanted to cool them down and hose/ice the legs so that we could get any inflammation that might be harmful out of the tendons and ligaments.
Yes, we want to warm the muscles up - but not the tendons and ligaments which are supporting structures that aren't supposed to be soft and pliable...... think of tendons and ligaments as the rubber bands that propel your horse forward... do you want soft, loose rubber bands, or strong tight ones? Race track people know that tight tendons can clock faster, so they are always keeping them tight before a race- thus all the wrapping and devices like Game Ready... after the race they will rub the legs down.... does that make sense? | |
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| trickster j - 2016-04-11 9:29 AM
GLP - 2016-04-11 7:23 AM So, someone clear this up for me. I have not competed in over 15 years so I know some things have changed as far as horse care. I thought we warmed our horses up so that their tendon, muscles and ligaments were more supple and flexible so that they would not get injured running the barrels. And then after our run, we wanted to cool them down and hose/ice the legs so that we could get any inflammation that might be harmful out of the tendons and ligaments.
Yes, we want to warm the muscles up - but not the tendons and ligaments which are supporting structures that aren't supposed to be soft and pliable...... think of tendons and ligaments as the rubber bands that propel your horse forward... do you want soft, loose rubber bands, or strong tight ones? Race track people know that tight tendons can clock faster, so they are always keeping them tight before a race- thus all the wrapping and devices like Game Ready... after the race they will rub the legs down.... does that make sense?
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| GLP - 2016-04-11 7:31 AM trickster j - 2016-04-11 9:29 AM GLP - 2016-04-11 7:23 AM So, someone clear this up for me. I have not competed in over 15 years so I know some things have changed as far as horse care. I thought we warmed our horses up so that their tendon, muscles and ligaments were more supple and flexible so that they would not get injured running the barrels. And then after our run, we wanted to cool them down and hose/ice the legs so that we could get any inflammation that might be harmful out of the tendons and ligaments. Yes, we want to warm the muscles up - but not the tendons and ligaments which are supporting structures that aren't supposed to be soft and pliable...... think of tendons and ligaments as the rubber bands that propel your horse forward... do you want soft, loose rubber bands, or strong tight ones? Race track people know that tight tendons can clock faster, so they are always keeping them tight before a race- thus all the wrapping and devices like Game Ready... after the race they will rub the legs down.... does that make sense? Yes, it does, thank you.
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A veterinarian's assessment of "Theraplate"