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I have a friend in Brenham whose horses got out on a pasture spayed with 2 4 D. One horse(out of 4) had symptoms like colic acting , swollen muzzle and cheeks very dehydrated, lethargic. No snake bite or any of that. Blood work is low white blood cells and low protein levels. Rest of the blood work looks good Temp is 103.6 and We have treated with fluids, banamine for pain , given plasma, scoped him , did a rectal, ultrasound of the abdomen. ..... He also has a fever !!
Now diarrhea and laminatius .
Here's the question for my horse friends. Has anyone dealt with this before or know anyone that has and knows a different way to treat this?
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 Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I'm allergic to 2,4-d and my vehicle was sprayed by an airplane accidentally a few weeks ago. I got really sick from it. Direct exposure is not a serious problem for most, it's a relatively benign product. The re-entry interval is only a few hours, but I will have to look up the grazing restriction. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | No grazing restriction except for dairy cattle. That individual is apparently sensitive to it. | |
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 Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | Three 4 Luck - 2016-04-11 2:12 PM No grazing restriction except for dairy cattle. That individual is apparently sensitive to it.
My thoughts exactly, as that is what we use. But I'm also sensitive to it...it doesn't make me sick, but it does make me itch to an extent. So does fertilizer. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | No ideal, but prayers that they get the diarrhea and laminatius under control.  | |
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| Ice feet and legs. Alcohol baths for temp and cold hose. Benadryl for swelling. Kaopectate for diarrhea and squirthe salt down throat to c lush kidneys and liver and to help with temp. | |
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 My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | Checking in to see how he's doing. . . . | |
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Shelter Dog Lover
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| Chandler's Mom - 2016-04-12 3:02 AM Checking in to see how he's doing. . . . As of last night he was not doing good. My friend took fecal samples to A&M yesterday. I have not had an update this morning. It is her 9 year old daughters horse :(.
Edited by rodeomom3 2016-04-12 6:11 AM
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  Witty Enough
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Location: CTX | Sure hope he pulls through. | |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | I'm so sorry. I hope he pulls through. | |
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| Sending happy thoughts for the poor guy! | |
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| I talked with someone yesterday, they spray and turn their broodmare out on it. Never had a reaction. I'm wondering if this couldn't be something else going on. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Healing prayer for that poor horse. I hope he makes it. | |
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 Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Many prayers for the horse that it pulls through. This is very scary and hits home for me, especially with my over reactive horse with respiratory and allergy issues, and my own allergies. Both my horses issues, and my own, have been controlled since this time last year, and I sure want to keep it that way. My husband loves to mow and spray weeds. He sprayed our entire yard and front fence lines earlier in the spring so that what came in would be complete bermuda, no weeds. He didn't spray the horse pastures, of course, but i'm always worried about over spray. I recently had this conversation with Dr. Schell and he had recently had it with a friend of his that is an equine nutritionist. This is what he had to say about RoundUp, specifically, "I was talking to a nutritionist friend tonight and she mentioned the concerns over glyphosate toxicity which she says is rising. Glyphosate is Round Up. She said farmers are being told to spray their hay fields with it prior to harvesting as it helps to ripen or mature the grasses prior to bailing. The other issue is that some are using round up ready seeds, alfalfa, timothy, bermuda and orchard grass. This means that those grasses are resistant to Round Up and thus, they can spray the entire field to kill off weeds without hurting the hay. Problem here is that then our horses are eating the Roundup and the glyphosates are accumulating. This not only a known carcinogen and bad for health, but also binds up certain minerals such as copper, making them unavailable to the body."
Edited by Herbie 2016-04-12 9:39 AM
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Herbie - 2016-04-12 9:38 AM
Many prayers for the horse that it pulls through. This is very scary and hits home for me, especially with my over reactive horse with respiratory and allergy issues, and my own allergies. Both my horses issues, and my own, have been controlled since this time last year, and I sure want to keep it that way. My husband loves to mow and spray weeds. He sprayed our entire yard and front fence lines earlier in the spring so that what came in would be complete bermuda, no weeds. He didn't spray the horse pastures, of course, but i'm always worried about over spray. I recently had this conversation with Dr. Schell and he had recently had it with a friend of his that is an equine nutritionist. This is what he had to say about RoundUp, specifically, "I was talking to a nutritionist friend tonight and she mentioned the concerns over glyphosate toxicity which she says is rising. Glyphosate is Round Up. She said farmers are being told to spray their hay fields with it prior to harvesting as it helps to ripen or mature the grasses prior to bailing. The other issue is that some are using round up ready seeds, alfalfa, timothy, bermuda and orchard grass. This means that those grasses are resistant to Round Up and thus, they can spray the entire field to kill off weeds without hurting the hay. Problem here is that then our horses are eating the Roundup and the glyphosates are accumulating. This not only a known carcinogen and bad for health, but also binds up certain minerals such as copper, making them unavailable to the body."
There is a harvest interval on the label that by law must be followed so that any residue is within allowable limits (ppb). Glyphosate does not bioaccumulate, any that is ingested is quickly excreted. It's a probable carcinogen according to WHO, at the same level as caffeine, nightshift, and hair dresser. This is for people who handle it, not for ingesting residue. Glyphosate is less toxic than vinegar, caffeine, and salt, and the safest herbicide on the market. Lots of bad info is floating around, the anti-Ag people love to take a kernel of truth and twist it beyond recognition. 2,4-d is a known and not uncommon allergen, glyphosate is not, although I imagine an allergy could happen from anything. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 2,4-d is also very volatile and prone to drift, whereas Roundup has a lot less drift potential. If the wind is under 10 mph, it shouldn't go anywhere. If it's higher, make sure it's blowing away from sensitive targets, or wait for a better day. | |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-04-12 9:57 AM Herbie - 2016-04-12 9:38 AM Many prayers for the horse that it pulls through. This is very scary and hits home for me, especially with my over reactive horse with respiratory and allergy issues, and my own allergies. Both my horses issues, and my own, have been controlled since this time last year, and I sure want to keep it that way. My husband loves to mow and spray weeds. He sprayed our entire yard and front fence lines earlier in the spring so that what came in would be complete bermuda, no weeds. He didn't spray the horse pastures, of course, but i'm always worried about over spray. I recently had this conversation with Dr. Schell and he had recently had it with a friend of his that is an equine nutritionist. This is what he had to say about RoundUp, specifically, "I was talking to a nutritionist friend tonight and she mentioned the concerns over glyphosate toxicity which she says is rising. Glyphosate is Round Up. She said farmers are being told to spray their hay fields with it prior to harvesting as it helps to ripen or mature the grasses prior to bailing. The other issue is that some are using round up ready seeds, alfalfa, timothy, bermuda and orchard grass. This means that those grasses are resistant to Round Up and thus, they can spray the entire field to kill off weeds without hurting the hay. Problem here is that then our horses are eating the Roundup and the glyphosates are accumulating. This not only a known carcinogen and bad for health, but also binds up certain minerals such as copper, making them unavailable to the body." There is a harvest interval on the label that by law must be followed so that any residue is within allowable limits (ppb ). Glyphosate does not bioaccumulate, any that is ingested is quickly excreted. It's a probable carcinogen according to WHO, at the same level as caffeine, nightshift, and hair dresser. This is for people who handle it, not for ingesting residue. Glyphosate is less toxic than vinegar, caffeine, and salt, and the safest herbicide on the market. Lots of bad info is floating around, the anti-Ag people love to take a kernel of truth and twist it beyond recognition. 2,4-d is a known and not uncommon allergen, glyphosate is not, although I imagine an allergy could happen from anything.
Interesting, thanks T4L for the info! I need to better educate myself on all the varieties of herbicides and what not. There is a yellow crop duster that flies over spraying the fields on the next county road over. Any idea what they are spraying? | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Herbie - 2016-04-12 10:01 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2016-04-12 9:57 AM Herbie - 2016-04-12 9:38 AM Many prayers for the horse that it pulls through. This is very scary and hits home for me, especially with my over reactive horse with respiratory and allergy issues, and my own allergies. Both my horses issues, and my own, have been controlled since this time last year, and I sure want to keep it that way. My husband loves to mow and spray weeds. He sprayed our entire yard and front fence lines earlier in the spring so that what came in would be complete bermuda, no weeds. He didn't spray the horse pastures, of course, but i'm always worried about over spray. I recently had this conversation with Dr. Schell and he had recently had it with a friend of his that is an equine nutritionist. This is what he had to say about RoundUp, specifically, "I was talking to a nutritionist friend tonight and she mentioned the concerns over glyphosate toxicity which she says is rising. Glyphosate is Round Up. She said farmers are being told to spray their hay fields with it prior to harvesting as it helps to ripen or mature the grasses prior to bailing. The other issue is that some are using round up ready seeds, alfalfa, timothy, bermuda and orchard grass. This means that those grasses are resistant to Round Up and thus, they can spray the entire field to kill off weeds without hurting the hay. Problem here is that then our horses are eating the Roundup and the glyphosates are accumulating. This not only a known carcinogen and bad for health, but also binds up certain minerals such as copper, making them unavailable to the body." There is a harvest interval on the label that by law must be followed so that any residue is within allowable limits (ppb ). Glyphosate does not bioaccumulate, any that is ingested is quickly excreted. It's a probable carcinogen according to WHO, at the same level as caffeine, nightshift, and hair dresser. This is for people who handle it, not for ingesting residue. Glyphosate is less toxic than vinegar, caffeine, and salt, and the safest herbicide on the market. Lots of bad info is floating around, the anti-Ag people love to take a kernel of truth and twist it beyond recognition. 2,4-d is a known and not uncommon allergen, glyphosate is not, although I imagine an allergy could happen from anything.
I wouldn't even try to guess. Could be anything from fertilizer to various pesticides (which encompasses insecticide, herbicide, fungicide, nematicide, etc) to biologicals to growth regulators. Interesting tidbit: we spray our field corn with a product called Afla-guard. This is a biological (harmless, competing fungi in this case) that blocks the growth of the fungi that produce aflatoxin.
Edited by Three 4 Luck 2016-04-12 10:15 AM
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | PS, when researching agriculture issues, watch your sources. I follow several farm pages/blogs that have good info. The organic marketing assn is evil, as far as I'm concerned--demonizing conventional Ag and misleading consumers about what USDA organic certification actually means, to try to increase their market share. I have zero problem with organic farmers or consumers who choose organic, BUT I want that choice to be an educated one. | |
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| Do they feed alfalfa? Blister beetles will do this. | |
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 IMA No Hair Style Gal
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| Prayers to your friends horse.
We treat our pasture once a year with 2,4-D. We will be much more careful with doing this. | |
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | We spray our pastures with 2-4-D every spring. It is a great spray and is safe to turn horses back on as soon as it drys. Unless they are milking which in that case they say 7 days just like dairy cattle. We have never had a problem. Because I am overly cautious though I usually wait 3 days for all. | |
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Horse got out on pasture treated with 2 4 D