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Location: SE Louisiana | ...where the confusion lays. If you have a penis, you go to the men's room. If you have a vagina, you go to the women's room.... If it's a porta-toilet you step in and lock the door behind you... Wh.Whe...Where is the confusion? Am I missing something? | |
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| So your DNA says you are a male but some how your mind says you are a female ................sounds like a mental illness to me not a gender. | |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-16 10:32 AM I think ya'll are being dicks, but that doesn't make you men.
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2016-04-16 7:35 AM
So your DNA says you are a male but some how your mind says you are a female ................sounds like a mental illness to me not a gender.
This I can understand. I'm not anti-gay. I used to sub a room in a house rented by a couple of gay men when I was in Idaho. One was HIV positive... Wonderful people! They lived their life and I lived mine. One cold winter night the power went off and they joined me in my bed to help keep each-other warm...
I saw a news item the other day that discounts the theory that people are born gay. They said that because twins can be born 1/normal 1/gay... it's a choice... BS!! Even identical twins don't have the same fingerprints.. If those can be different, so can other things!!
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| komet. - 2016-04-16 10:05 AM This I can understand. I'm not anti-gay. I used to sub a room in a house rented by a couple of gay men when I was in Idaho. One was HIV positive... Wonderful people! They lived their life and I lived mine. One cold winter night the power went off and they joined me in my bed to help keep each-other warm...
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Location: SE Louisiana | TXBO - 2016-04-16 10:43 AM
komet. - 2016-04-16 10:05 AM This I can understand. I'm not anti-gay. I used to sub a room in a house rented by a couple of gay men when I was in Idaho. One was HIV positive... Wonderful people! They lived their life and I lived mine. One cold winter night the power went off and they joined me in my bed to help keep each-other warm...
I bet one of them cut the power.
No. You have to understand. We lived in Gooding ID. Way out at the end of the power lines... This was normal.
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| komet. - 2016-04-16 11:04 AM TXBO - 2016-04-16 10:43 AM komet. - 2016-04-16 10:05 AM This I can understand. I'm not anti-gay. I used to sub a room in a house rented by a couple of gay men when I was in Idaho. One was HIV positive... Wonderful people! They lived their life and I lived mine. One cold winter night the power went off and they joined me in my bed to help keep each-other warm... I bet one of them cut the power. No. You have to understand. We lived in Gooding ID. Way out at the end of the power lines... This was normal.
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komet. - 2016-04-16 10:05 AM This I can understand. I'm not anti-gay. I used to sub a room in a house rented by a couple of gay men when I was in Idaho. One was HIV positive... Wonderful people! They lived their life and I lived mine. One cold winter night the power went off and they joined me in my bed to help keep each-other warm...
I bet one of them cut the power.
No. You have to understand. We lived in Gooding ID. Way out at the end of the power lines... This was normal.
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komet. - 2016-04-16 10:05 AM This I can understand. I'm not anti-gay. I used to sub a room in a house rented by a couple of gay men when I was in Idaho. One was HIV positive... Wonderful people! They lived their life and I lived mine. One cold winter night the power went off and they joined me in my bed to help keep each-other warm...
I bet one of them cut the power.
No. You have to understand. We lived in Gooding ID. Way out at the end of the power lines... This was normal.
I think she was joking about the lights.
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Location: SE Louisiana | luluwhit - 2016-04-16 10:02 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-16 10:32 AM I think ya'll are being dicks, but that doesn't make you men.
being in a garage doesnt make you a car either
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| Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice. | |
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| komet. - 2016-04-16 11:15 AM cavlier - 2016-04-16 11:14 AM komet. - 2016-04-16 11:04 AM TXBO - 2016-04-16 10:43 AM komet. - 2016-04-16 10:05 AM This I can understand. I'm not anti-gay. I used to sub a room in a house rented by a couple of gay men when I was in Idaho. One was HIV positive... Wonderful people! They lived their life and I lived mine. One cold winter night the power went off and they joined me in my bed to help keep each-other warm... I bet one of them cut the power. No. You have to understand. We lived in Gooding ID. Way out at the end of the power lines... This was normal. I think she was joking about the lights. She??!??
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komet. - 2016-04-16 11:15 AM cavlier - 2016-04-16 11:14 AM komet. - 2016-04-16 11:04 AM TXBO - 2016-04-16 10:43 AM komet. - 2016-04-16 10:05 AM This I can understand. I'm not anti-gay. I used to sub a room in a house rented by a couple of gay men when I was in Idaho. One was HIV positive... Wonderful people! They lived their life and I lived mine. One cold winter night the power went off and they joined me in my bed to help keep each-other warm... I bet one of them cut the power. No. You have to understand. We lived in Gooding ID. Way out at the end of the power lines... This was normal. I think she was joking about the lights. She??!??
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 11:20 AM.... For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part.....
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Location: SE Louisiana | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 11:20 AM
Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice.
Can you please provide me with an example of a person born with a vagina that had a penis transplant? Or a man with a uterus? Until I see that there ARE NO transgenders. I understand what a freemartin is. So don't go there. | |
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Location: Kansas | I used to work for a mental health facility. Alex/Alexis looked exactly as much like a woman as Klinger from MASH did. Yet "it" dressed in mini-skirts, high heels, silk blouses AND used the ladies restroom. We did not like that but luckily it only appeared at our facility once or twice a month.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Frodo - 2016-04-16 11:37 AM
I used to work for a mental health facility. Alex/Alexis looked exactly as much like a woman as Klinger from MASH did. Yet "it" dressed in mini-skirts, high heels, silk blouses AND used the ladies restroom. We did not like that but luckily it only appeared at our facility once or twice a month.
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| Frodo - 2016-04-16 12:37 PM
I used to work for a mental health facility. Alex/Alexis looked exactly as much like a woman as Klinger from MASH did. Yet "it" dressed in mini-skirts, high heels, silk blouses AND used the ladies restroom. We did not like that but luckily it only appeared at our facility once or twice a month.
I find these are the ones that live in small towns or are just weird outliers LOL
Most transgender men look better than me and could def give me some fierce make up tips! The thing in my area (its kinda heavy gay/transgender population) is that you won't be able to tell Bill from Betty and they just already use the female bathroom anyway. No one knows the difference because they are desecrate and don't draw attention at all to the fact that they aren't a women because they want to be recognized as a woman, not a woman that was once a man.
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 11:20 AM
Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice.
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Location: SE Louisiana | astreakinchic - 2016-04-16 12:36 PM
Frodo - 2016-04-16 12:37 PM
I used to work for a mental health facility. Alex/Alexis looked exactly as much like a woman as Klinger from MASH did. Yet "it" dressed in mini-skirts, high heels, silk blouses AND used the ladies restroom. We did not like that but luckily it only appeared at our facility once or twice a month.
I find these are the ones that live in small towns or are just weird outliers LOL
Most transgender men look better than me and could def give me some fierce make up tips! The thing in my area (its kinda heavy gay/transgender population ) is that you won't be able to tell Bill from Betty and they just already use the female bathroom anyway. No one knows the difference because they are *desecrate* and don't draw attention at all to the fact that they aren't a women because they want to be recognized as a woman, not a woman that was once a man.
Beauty is only skin deep... yours stand out!! and just because I'm a grammar Nazi.. *discrete*
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Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice.
What is to stop a pervert in a dress from going in with my 8 year old daughter?
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Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice.
What is to stop a pervert in a dress from going in with my 8 year old daughter?
What is to stop a pervert with pants from going in with your 8 year old son....
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Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice.
What is to stop a pervert in a dress from going in with my 8 year old daughter?
What is to stop a pervert with pants from going in with your 8 year old son....
BAM!! Della nailed it!!!
Exactly. A pervert is a pervert. There are female perverts and male ones. A female perv could just as easily go in with your daughter. | |
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FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 11:20 AM
Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice.
What is to stop a pervert in a dress from going in with my 8 year old daughter?
What is to stop a pervert with pants from going in with your 8 year old son....
BAM!! Della nailed it!!!
Exactly. A pervert is a pervert. There are female perverts and male ones. A female perv could just as easily go in with your daughter.
This is true and probably the best point in favor of letting trans gender folks go into women's restroom. I really don't care. Those guys in the mens' room certainly were courteous when I barged in there at Walmart. I was in a hurry. | |
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Location: North Dakota | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 11:20 AM Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice.
THAT I understand. Whatever the cause may be, choice, mental illness, nature, I don't care what you wanna call it. Not my business. For me, and most people I've talked to though, the issue lies in the fact that walking into a public restroom, there is no concrete way to prove you actually have a female mind in a male body. People don't want some pervert to fake it and then do God knows what in that restroom. I would think the trans community would be against the extremely likely exploitation of their...condition (for lack of a better word) that this would bring on.
I do not believe there should be any legal action taken but in the case of those single stall bathrooms, I've seen unisex ones all my life. Why not just make all the one player bathrooms unisex? Companies building new buildings could include a unisex room if they so desire. And in the case of bathrooms with stalls. My opinion is that for the safety of the general public, trans people should stick to the system we have now. Even if you identify as a female but still have male anatomy, you see that every day, it shouldn't be traumatizing to see another penis at a urinal. Put a urinal in a women's room and you will probably unintentionally scar a child for life.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I love it that this is happening right now. I have been pushing for years for all private restrooms. I hate it when I'm sitting down and look up at the little crack in those crappy bathroom doors and lock eyes with some chick passing by. Seriously?!?! I don't want anybody looking at me, same gender or not. All private bathroom stalls, I say! I don't want to know who is in there, what anatomy they have or what the heck they're doing in there. | |
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Location: Prosser, WA | I don't understand why we need to change laws and make many people uncomfortable for a very small percentage of the population. Many people for this say that transgender people have been going to the restroom of their choice for years and many if us didn't know so why should it bother us now. If they have been doing this for years then why do we need to make a law to make it legal? To me it is completely absurd, especially for locker rooms. There were many times that a boy would wait in the locker room to sneak a peek when I was playing basketball in high school. A step in the wrong direction for women's rights if you ask me. | |
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Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice.
What is to stop a pervert in a dress from going in with my 8 year old daughter?
What is to stop a pervert with pants from going in with your 8 year old son....
BAM!! Della nailed it!!!
Exactly. A pervert is a pervert. There are female perverts and male ones. A female perv could just as easily go in with your daughter.
This is true and probably the best point in favor of letting trans gender folks go into women's restroom. I really don't care. Those guys in the mens' room certainly were courteous when I barged in there at Walmart. I was in a hurry.
Why would you let your 8 yr old child go in a public bathroom alone? I wouldnt. Besides a male transgender (dressed as a female) is NOT going to be interested in your little girl. They are females born in a male body. Period. They are NOT gay. | |
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Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice.
What is to stop a pervert in a dress from going in with my 8 year old daughter?
What is to stop a pervert with pants from going in with your 8 year old son....
BAM!! Della nailed it!!!
Exactly. A pervert is a pervert. There are female perverts and male ones. A female perv could just as easily go in with your daughter.
This is true and probably the best point in favor of letting trans gender folks go into women's restroom. I really don't care. Those guys in the mens' room certainly were courteous when I barged in there at Walmart. I was in a hurry.
Why would you let your 8 yr old child go in a public bathroom alone? I wouldnt. Besides a male transgender (dressed as a female ) is NOT going to be interested in your little girl. They are females born in a male body. Period. They are NOT gay.
"They are females born in a male body."
But how does that even work??? It's like you're saying God made a mistake when he created them. His wonderful work leaves no room for mistakes; no one is born with the “wrong body". | |
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Ok, someone help me here. Female, born in a male body.
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For the poster who said a transgender male (dressed as female) cant be gay, isn't true. Their gender and sexuality is two different things. But I don't think allowing them to use women vs bathrooms will increase perverts, there will always be perverts who don't abide by laws. However, I do think it basically makes the bathrooms a free for all... and theres no point in having mens vs women. | |
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Location: Central Texas | Ashton94 - 2016-04-18 6:16 AM bobbyjosocks - 2016-04-17 7:00 PM streakysox - 2016-04-16 7:00 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 2:13 PM komet. - 2016-04-16 12:03 PM della - 2016-04-16 1:53 PM streakysox - 2016-04-16 11:40 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 11:20 AM Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice. What is to stop a pervert in a dress from going in with my 8 year old daughter? What is to stop a pervert with pants from going in with your 8 year old son.... BAM!! Della nailed it!!! Exactly. A pervert is a pervert. There are female perverts and male ones. A female perv could just as easily go in with your daughter. This is true and probably the best point in favor of letting trans gender folks go into women's restroom. I really don't care. Those guys in the mens' room certainly were courteous when I barged in there at Walmart. I was in a hurry. Why would you let your 8 yr old child go in a public bathroom alone? I wouldnt. Besides a male transgender (dressed as a female ) is NOT going to be interested in your little girl. They are females born in a male body. Period. They are NOT gay. "They are females born in a male body." But how does that even work??? It's like you're saying God made a mistake when he created them. His wonderful work leaves no room for mistakes; no one is born with the “wrong body".
Ok so I have an example for you. My SIL husband's brother and wife had a baby.. born early, had several complications and well some parts were not developed. I'm not sure how to explain this in text but I'm gonna try. The baby did not even have developed obvious butt cheeks. Basically it was all closed up and no obvious genitals. They had to immediately go to surgery to "create" parts. The baby needed to obviously be able to go potty before the testing would be finished to determine sex. They gave their baby a name that would go either way male or female because (and I don't remember all the details, it was a long time ago and not directly related to me) it was going to be several weeks before testing revealed what the sex should be. I remember thinking what if they made the wrong choice for that baby. After several surgerys she was alive and healthy. She is all grown up now and as far as I know still a happy healthy female but there was great potential there to have been wrong. | |
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| streakysox - 2016-04-16 2:01 PM I got an advertisement that was some kind of special of the day on Facebook. It was a foldable device for women to be able to walk around behind a building, insert it in their pants and be able to pee standing up. You could fold it and put it back in your pocket. It was supposed to be convenient to do this. I don't know how their sales were but I really have no desire to pee standing up. (I have lived all over the world and in many countries there is a hole in the floor and women do stand to pee) I have known several men who have been arrested for finding a convenient place to pee so don't know what police would do after they got over the shock of finding a woman standing there peeing. This for real. I emailed the ad to barrelhorseusa. He can back me up.
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| bobbyjosocks - 2016-04-17 7:00 PM ....... Besides a male transgender (dressed as a female) is NOT going to be interested in your little girl. They are females born in a male body. Period. They are NOT gay.
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| What the heck is wrong with people? If I see a man walk into the bathroom that my little girl is in, I'm going to beat the shizz out of him first and then not give a rip afterwards if he cries he identifies as a woman. It's my job to protect my daughter not worry over if I hurt someone's feelings.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | RidenFly - 2016-04-18 8:23 AM
What the heck is wrong with people? If I see a man walk into the bathroom that my little girl is in, I'm going to beat the shizz out of him first and then not give a rip afterwards if he cries he's transgender. It's my job to protect my daughter not worry over if I hurt someone's feelings.
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| Cop: "Sir, did you just follow that eight year old girl into the bathroom?"
Beaten up male: "I identify as a woman, officer, and this redneck mom just punched me!"
Cop turns to redneck mom "Is it true, you just assaulted this person?"
Redneck mom: "It's fair. I identify with Mike Tyson."
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| GraciousLegacy - 2016-04-18 10:52 AM
Ashton94 - 2016-04-18 6:16 AM bobbyjosocks - 2016-04-17 7:00 PM streakysox - 2016-04-16 7:00 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 2:13 PM komet. - 2016-04-16 12:03 PM della - 2016-04-16 1:53 PM streakysox - 2016-04-16 11:40 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 11:20 AM Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice. What is to stop a pervert in a dress from going in with my 8 year old daughter? What is to stop a pervert with pants from going in with your 8 year old son.... BAM!! Della nailed it!!! Exactly. A pervert is a pervert. There are female perverts and male ones. A female perv could just as easily go in with your daughter. This is true and probably the best point in favor of letting trans gender folks go into women's restroom. I really don't care. Those guys in the mens' room certainly were courteous when I barged in there at Walmart. I was in a hurry. Why would you let your 8 yr old child go in a public bathroom alone? I wouldnt. Besides a male transgender (dressed as a female ) is NOT going to be interested in your little girl. They are females born in a male body. Period. They are NOT gay. "They are females born in a male body." But how does that even work??? It's like you're saying God made a mistake when he created them. His wonderful work leaves no room for mistakes; no one is born with the “wrong body".
In situations like this, they will 9/10 give them female anatomy. I've heard it said before on the topic that it's easier to make a hole than to make a pole. | |
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| streakysox - 2016-04-16 1:01 PM
I got an advertisement that was some kind of special of the day on Facebook. It was a foldable device for women to be able to walk around behind a building, insert it in their pants and be able to pee standing up. You could fold it and put it back in your pocket. It was supposed to be convenient to do this. I don't know how their sales were but I really have no desire to pee standing up. (I have lived all over the world and in many countries there is a hole in the floor and women do stand to pee) I have known several men who have been arrested for finding a convenient place to pee so don't know what police would do after they got over the shock of finding a woman standing there peeing. This for real. I emailed the ad to barrelhorseusa. He can back me up.
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| TXBO - 2016-04-18 10:07 AM
bobbyjosocks - 2016-04-17 7:00 PM ....... Besides a male transgender (dressed as a female) is NOT going to be interested in your little girl. They are females born in a male body. Period. They are NOT gay.
Really? Bruce Jenner says he is still attracted to women not men.
I personally think Bruce Jenner's "big change" was 1. a publicity stunt and 2. a desperate act to keep his butt out of jail.
A true transgender want's to be the opposite sex, they don't to be with them. Jenner on several occasions stated he was not going to have the surgery and now he is saying how hard it is to be a woman. He never intended on being a woman. He wanted more publicity and a way for the courts to go "what the hell are we gonna do now?" | |
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| cyount2009 - 2016-04-18 12:29 PM TXBO - 2016-04-18 10:07 AM bobbyjosocks - 2016-04-17 7:00 PM ....... Besides a male transgender (dressed as a female) is NOT going to be interested in your little girl. They are females born in a male body. Period. They are NOT gay. Really? Bruce Jenner says he is still attracted to women not men. I personally think Bruce Jenner's "big change" was 1. a publicity stunt and 2. a desperate act to keep his butt out of jail. A true transgender want's to be the opposite sex, they don't to be with them. Jenner on several occasions stated he was not going to have the surgery and now he is saying how hard it is to be a woman. He never intended on being a woman. He wanted more publicity and a way for the courts to go "what the hell are we gonna do now?"
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| There are many times that I have to let my 9 year old son go into a public restroom by himself. He is too old to go into the Ladies restroom with me and it would be frowned on if I went into the men's room with him. This makes me nervous, so I just stand outside of the men's room and hope that he comes out quickly. The transgender thing does make me nervous. | |
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Location: Kansas | Frodo - 2016-04-16 11:37 AM I used to work for a mental health facility. Alex/Alexis looked exactly as much like a woman as Klinger from MASH did. Yet "it" dressed in mini-skirts, high heels, silk blouses AND used the ladies restroom. We did not like that but luckily it only appeared at our facility once or twice a month.
I had an individual like that come into my office to file a complaint against a state hospital......He/she dressed as a woman and idenified as "olivia" yet when came into the office told the receptionist the name was "Bo." Flat out told me wanted to file because he/she was transgender, and a hermaphrodite.......lots of mental instability with this person. Ended up not being able to help. Not even 10 minutes after this person left my office, I walked into the ladies restroom, as they were walking out. That was my first ever experience. | |
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I have nothing against transgender, gay, etc. To each their own. Everyone has to answer to their own god in the end so do whatever you feel is right for your own life, however I (like many) feel uncomfortable with a man in the ladies bathroom. I agree with Kakbarrelracer. Why should we change a law for a few when the majority feel uncomfortable. Why should their right be more important than mine? | |
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| I teach High School and Have 3 transgendered students. One is male to female, the other 2 are female to male. They all carry an identification card issued by the state that states they can use the restroom they identify with AND locker room they identify with. THe male to female person is actually trans AND gay. Meaning, they are a lesbian female trapped in a mans body... SO if you see them, he LOOKS male and dates women.. Hope that makes sense. So yes, you can be trans AND gay but its far more rare. | |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | I tell ya...honestly...I can't keep up with it all. Nor do I care. I hate public bathrooms no matter what.
That being said....if it truly is just a VERY small percentage of folks that are truly transgender (and I can't imagine what a difficult thing that is)...why does it seem like they are coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden? Is it just the trendy thing to do these days?
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-04-18 3:04 PM
I teach High School and Have 3 transgendered students. One is male to female, the other 2 are female to male. They all carry an identification card issued by the state that states they can use the restroom they identify with AND locker room they identify with. THe male to female person is actually trans AND gay. Meaning, they are a lesbian female trapped in a mans body... SO if you see them, he LOOKS male and dates women.. Hope that makes sense. So yes, you can be trans AND gay but its far more rare.
Thanks for clearing that up... to this I say... the human body, brain and hormones are bizarre. As hard as I try, I do not understand it, but I support whoever feels the need to be something different than what they were "made". I was raised old school by the book, there is no such thing as gay, trans what have you, if you are you choose to be and it is a sin. I used to think this way as well, until about high school when I realized a friend of mine was gay. I knew it before she did and when she came out I supported her then as I do now. Her decision, or there lack of(?) (I really don't feel it's a "decision" in most cases) is between her and God on judgement day. I do not personally know any one that is "transgender" and what I read and watch is very vague.
This bathroom issue is something I struggle with. I understand the concerns of both sides of the fence and am stuck somewhere in the middle. I can definitely see the concern for predator behavior. | |
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| Griz - 2016-04-19 5:27 AM
OMG! All this hurts my brain! I think I'll just "cop a squat" in the back of my horse trailer!
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Location: N Texas | cyount2009 - 2016-04-18 12:29 PM
TXBO - 2016-04-18 10:07 AM
bobbyjosocks - 2016-04-17 7:00 PM ....... Besides a male transgender (dressed as a female) is NOT going to be interested in your little girl. They are females born in a male body. Period. They are NOT gay.
Really? Bruce Jenner says he is still attracted to women not men.
I personally think Bruce Jenner's "big change" was 1. a publicity stunt and 2. a desperate act to keep his butt out of jail.
A true transgender want's to be the opposite sex, they don't to be with them. Jenner on several occasions stated he was not going to have the surgery and now he is saying how hard it is to be a woman. He never intended on being a woman. He wanted more publicity and a way for the courts to go "what the hell are we gonna do now?"
I don't know, getting plastic surgery purely for a publicity stunt seems a little extreme to me. However, I would't put anything past that family. | |
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| Why would a male whom identifies as a woman or vise versa even WANT to do their business in the bathroom that they simply identify with? Is it because they are uncomfortable that they look like a woman in a man's room? Well now they know how a woman feels if a man walks into a woman's room. Both feelings are equal and legit, so why is anything being changed other than we as a society should be protecting our children at all cost. Frankly, if I was a male that identified as a woman, I'd stay the hell away from women's bathrooms for fear of being accused of something I didn't do. Nothing is making sense these days. Nothing.
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Location: SE Louisiana | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-18 11:29 AM
GraciousLegacy - 2016-04-18 10:52 AM
Ashton94 - 2016-04-18 6:16 AM bobbyjosocks - 2016-04-17 7:00 PM streakysox - 2016-04-16 7:00 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 2:13 PM komet. - 2016-04-16 12:03 PM della - 2016-04-16 1:53 PM streakysox - 2016-04-16 11:40 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-16 11:20 AM Its not as simple as anatomy. It would be difficult for me to explain the intricacies of human sexuality on this board but being transgendered is not the same as being gay/homosexual. Gay women don't mind using women's restrooms. Same for gay men. When someone is transgendered their mind does not match their body. For all you women , what if you woke up tomorrow morning and your mind was still female but you now have a penis. Female in every way except that extra part. Those people simply want to be able to use a restroom that fits their identity not necessarily their anatomy. Hope that makes some sense. And NO it's not a choice to be gay straight or transgendered. Many of these people would never choose that if it was a choice. What is to stop a pervert in a dress from going in with my 8 year old daughter? What is to stop a pervert with pants from going in with your 8 year old son.... BAM!! Della nailed it!!! Exactly. A pervert is a pervert. There are female perverts and male ones. A female perv could just as easily go in with your daughter. This is true and probably the best point in favor of letting trans gender folks go into women's restroom. I really don't care. Those guys in the mens' room certainly were courteous when I barged in there at Walmart. I was in a hurry. Why would you let your 8 yr old child go in a public bathroom alone? I wouldnt. Besides a male transgender (dressed as a female ) is NOT going to be interested in your little girl. They are females born in a male body. Period. They are NOT gay. "They are females born in a male body." But how does that even work??? It's like you're saying God made a mistake when he created them. His wonderful work leaves no room for mistakes; no one is born with the “wrong body".
In situations like this, they will 9/10 give them female anatomy. I've heard it said before on the topic that it's easier to make a hole than to make a pole.
There have always been birth defects... I'm old enough I remember growing around the Thalidomide babies. .... This is about sexual deviants.... What part of the opening statement did you NOT understand?
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I used to work for a mental health facility. Alex/Alexis looked exactly as much like a woman as Klinger from MASH did. Yet "it" dressed in mini-skirts, high heels, silk blouses AND used the ladies restroom. We did not like that but luckily it only appeared at our facility once or twice a month.
I find these are the ones that live in small towns or are just weird outliers LOL
Most transgender men look better than me and could def give me some fierce make up tips! The thing in my area (its kinda heavy gay/transgender population ) is that you won't be able to tell Bill from Betty and they just already use the female bathroom anyway. No one knows the difference because they are *desecrate* and don't draw attention at all to the fact that they aren't a women because they want to be recognized as a woman, not a woman that was once a man.
Beauty is only skin deep... yours stand out!! and just because I'm a grammar Nazi.. *discrete*
Actually, since I'm a retired English teacher, it's spelled discreet.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | dianeguinn - 2016-04-19 5:19 PM komet. - 2016-04-16 1:21 PM astreakinchic - 2016-04-16 12:36 PM Frodo - 2016-04-16 12:37 PM I used to work for a mental health facility. Alex/Alexis looked exactly as much like a woman as Klinger from MASH did. Yet "it" dressed in mini-skirts, high heels, silk blouses AND used the ladies restroom. We did not like that but luckily it only appeared at our facility once or twice a month.
I find these are the ones that live in small towns or are just weird outliers LOL Most transgender men look better than me and could def give me some fierce make up tips! The thing in my area (its kinda heavy gay/transgender population ) is that you won't be able to tell Bill from Betty and they just already use the female bathroom anyway. No one knows the difference because they are *desecrate* and don't draw attention at all to the fact that they aren't a women because they want to be recognized as a woman, not a woman that was once a man. Beauty is only skin deep... yours stand out!! and just because I'm a grammar Nazi.. *discrete* Actually, since I'm a retired English teacher, it's spelled discreet.
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Location: Florida.. | why is this a issue now? because bruce did it and won a award?
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Location: MD | For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. | |
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| komet. - 2016-04-16 5:26 AM
...where the confusion lays. If you have a penis, you go to the men's room. If you have a vagina, you go to the women's room.... If it's a porta-toilet you step in and lock the door behind you... Wh.Whe...Where is the confusion? Am I missing something?
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Location: Florida.. | WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway..
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Location: MD | Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM
WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway..
There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women) have identification with them both in and out of drag. | |
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| Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:41 PM why is this a issue now? because bruce did it and won a award?
Yes! And he is the exact reason that this is a problem. Because even though he has morphed into the opposite sex he claims he is still "into" women. He is one who should not be allowed to mingle in women's restrooms.
But sadly the only logical solution to the problem is to force businesses to return to single occupancy restrooms. And create lines waiting to go.
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| WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 8:45 PM
For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down.
Thanks for explaining. I was trying to do it as best as I could and just decided to stay out of the conversation. We have folks on here from all over the country. Some areas more aware of these types of issues and others that live in places that haven't changed in 300 years. Its all good and for some it is a difficult thing to understand. I am from Southern California and these issues (Gender) are in my field so I see it every day. | |
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| Kaitlyn19 - 2016-04-19 8:57 PM
komet. - 2016-04-16 5:26 AM
...where the confusion lays. If you have a penis, you go to the men's room. If you have a vagina, you go to the women's room.... If it's a porta-toilet you step in and lock the door behind you... Wh.Whe...Where is the confusion? Am I missing something?
This discredits the folks who are intersex. If you are born both where do you go?
Let me see if I can explain the difference now between transgendered and Being born with both sex organs ( Hermaphrodite). Trans people are genetically correct being male or female and are born with the genitals to match their genetic make up. The only problem, is a problem of the MIND in these people. They are born one way but their MIND ONLY is the opposite of the body parts. People who are born with both have a genetic issue. SOme are born with an extra "Y" chromosome, some are born with an extra "X". ALL women carry eggs with only an "X" chromosome, males carry sperm of both X and Y. Depending on which get to the egg first determines the sex of the child. XX=girl XY=Boy. Sometimes sperm malfunction and they actually carry BOTH an X and Y, or 2 X's or 2Y's. In this case XXY= female looking but has small male genitals as well. YYX= mostly male with a small undeveloped vagina and Penis. OK, so what does this all mean??? Back in the day a child born with both , the parents could CHOOSE to raise the child male or female. Doctors believed that a childs gender could be shaped and molded by socialization. We know this not to be the case. These children are born with MALE or FEMALE MINDS.... Its impossible to tell at birth if a childs mind identifies as female or male. Doctors now advise parents to raise the child unisex and at puberty they will see which the childs MIND identifies with. The person can then have surgery to make the body and Mind MATCH. Hope that helps. Trans people have COMPLETE gender reassignment surgery. Meaning they had not both parts, but a totally functioning normal male or female anatomy that they are changing to the other gender. | |
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| I recently listened to a speaker about LGBT community and I found it extremely informative. Although I see both sides to this issue, what I found interesting is statistically speaking a person born with both parts (in some way shape for form, whether external parts or internal parts) is just as common as someone giving birth to a redhead when neither parent have red hair. I don't know why I found that so interesting but the speaker talked about the difference between gender and sexuality. How females and males are shaped from day one to behave in their gender. For example, pink clothing, long hair, play w/ dolls or kitchen sets, being told they will be a nurse or some type of profession involving caretaking. While males are dressed in blue, have short hair and are often told they are tough and play with trucks and often told they will be a firefighter or a doctor... If you eliminated these gender stereotypes, would there be more of the transgender identity? I for one, had never thought of it this way.
This may be off topic and I cannot capture the speaker in a paragraph but it was extremely interesting. I do know that quite a bit of time, money and commitment goes into the transitioning process. I am torn on my own opinion but I really started to think about it when they separated gender vs sexuality and stopped linking it all together. It is also a hard concept for me to grasp. If transgender is real (I assume it is), I cannot imagine the feeling. But because I cant imagine it, it makes it hard for me to think it is real or for me to fully understand it. | |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-04-20 11:07 AM Kaitlyn19 - 2016-04-19 8:57 PM komet. - 2016-04-16 5:26 AM ...where the confusion lays. If you have a penis, you go to the men's room. If you have a vagina, you go to the women's room.... If it's a porta-toilet you step in and lock the door behind you... Wh.Whe...Where is the confusion? Am I missing something? This discredits the folks who are intersex. If you are born both where do you go? Let me see if I can explain the difference now between transgendered and Being born with both sex organs ( Hermaphrodite ). Trans people are genetically correct being male or female and are born with the genitals to match their genetic make up. The only problem, is a problem of the MIND in these people. They are born one way but their MIND ONLY is the opposite of the body parts. People who are born with both have a genetic issue. SOme are born with an extra "Y" chromosome, some are born with an extra "X". ALL women carry eggs with only an "X" chromosome, males carry sperm of both X and Y. Depending on which get to the egg first determines the sex of the child. XX=girl XY=Boy. Sometimes sperm malfunction and they actually carry BOTH an X and Y, or 2 X's or 2Y's. In this case XXY= female looking but has small male genitals as well. YYX= mostly male with a small undeveloped vagina and Penis. OK, so what does this all mean??? Back in the day a child born with both , the parents could CHOOSE to raise the child male or female. Doctors believed that a childs gender could be shaped and molded by socialization. We know this not to be the case. These children are born with MALE or FEMALE MINDS.... Its impossible to tell at birth if a childs mind identifies as female or male. Doctors now advise parents to raise the child unisex and at puberty they will see which the childs MIND identifies with. The person can then have surgery to make the body and Mind MATCH. Hope that helps. Trans people have COMPLETE gender reassignment surgery. Meaning they had not both parts, but a totally functioning normal male or female anatomy that they are changing to the other gender.
Thank you for explaining. I do not have much knowledge on this topic, but while reading your explanation, I'm curious to know if you feel hormones may play a part. If a male takes female hormones he can develop breasts and if a women takes male hormones she can grow facial hair. Do you think that a hormonal imbalance may play a part in how transgender people feel about themselves? | |
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| I have no issue with being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender. I could care less what floats peoples boats. It's life. I do care about sharing a bathroom with someone who shouldn't necessarily be there to begin with. You can say your the opposite sex all day long but technically at the end of the day your not. DNA doesn't change regardless of who you think you are. I do think maybe there should be a bathroom that is unisex for those people to use. I do not believe in sharing a bathroom with someone who may simply be portraying an actual transgender persona. That's what bothers me about the deal. If we are going to do that for transgender people we should just make all bathrooms unisex and be done with it. Why the government is having to decide on who uses what bathroom when so many other MAJOR issues need to be dealt with is beyond my grasp. | |
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| LAC - 2016-04-20 10:08 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-20 11:07 AM Kaitlyn19 - 2016-04-19 8:57 PM komet. - 2016-04-16 5:26 AM ...where the confusion lays. If you have a penis, you go to the men's room. If you have a vagina, you go to the women's room.... If it's a porta-toilet you step in and lock the door behind you... Wh.Whe...Where is the confusion? Am I missing something? This discredits the folks who are intersex. If you are born both where do you go? Let me see if I can explain the difference now between transgendered and Being born with both sex organs ( Hermaphrodite ). Trans people are genetically correct being male or female and are born with the genitals to match their genetic make up. The only problem, is a problem of the MIND in these people. They are born one way but their MIND ONLY is the opposite of the body parts. People who are born with both have a genetic issue. SOme are born with an extra "Y" chromosome, some are born with an extra "X". ALL women carry eggs with only an "X" chromosome, males carry sperm of both X and Y. Depending on which get to the egg first determines the sex of the child. XX=girl XY=Boy. Sometimes sperm malfunction and they actually carry BOTH an X and Y, or 2 X's or 2Y's. In this case XXY= female looking but has small male genitals as well. YYX= mostly male with a small undeveloped vagina and Penis. OK, so what does this all mean??? Back in the day a child born with both , the parents could CHOOSE to raise the child male or female. Doctors believed that a childs gender could be shaped and molded by socialization. We know this not to be the case. These children are born with MALE or FEMALE MINDS.... Its impossible to tell at birth if a childs mind identifies as female or male. Doctors now advise parents to raise the child unisex and at puberty they will see which the childs MIND identifies with. The person can then have surgery to make the body and Mind MATCH. Hope that helps. Trans people have COMPLETE gender reassignment surgery. Meaning they had not both parts, but a totally functioning normal male or female anatomy that they are changing to the other gender.
Thank you for explaining. I do not have much knowledge on this topic, but while reading your explanation, I'm curious to know if you feel hormones may play a part. If a male takes female hormones he can develop breasts and if a women takes male hormones she can grow facial hair. Do you think that a hormonal imbalance may play a part in how transgender people feel about themselves?
Excellent question and yes I can help you with some answers here. Someone who is trans meaning they have perfectly normal anatomy but their mind feels they are trapped in wrong body have normal hormones. So if a man is trapped in a girls body, the body will have ovaries that produce estrogen. Many trans people have mental break downs once puberty starts. I know one man personally who was born a normal woman. At puberty, he took razor blades and tried to physically cut off his growing breasts by himself. I have heard of cases where women trapped in a mans body try to cut their penis off. These very things ( Breasts and penis) are the manifestation of them being trapped. As a poster mentioned above, for a minimum ONE YEAR, trans people have to live as opposite gender, this includes hormone replacement therapy. Women trapped in a mans body will take estrogen and the testicles will stop producing testosterone. Men trapped in womans body will take testosterone, breasts will reduce, muscle mass will increase, facial hair and voice change etc. Once they decide this is the correct path for them, surgery will remove these parts permanently and they will need to stay on hormones for the rest of their lives. Hope that makes sense.
Hormones are " Biological" where as the feeling of being transgendered is " Mental" but no, hormone imbalances do not affect the feelings or cause someone to feel transgendered. If it were that simple it could be fixed very easily.
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Location: Florida.. | I have no worries about transgender.. or whatever anyone prefers.. or is..... its the stupid straight perverts that concern me.. yes a ID of some sort but whos going to realitically be at the restroom checking... Because here in Florida we have murders and molestations of the children in bathrooms more then you think and if someone walked in looking like a normal man into a womans bathroom, they would be going in after him. but a male dressed like a female impersonating a transgender or female.. people would not ..(i would but legally they can be there... or so we think..
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| Ok let me see if I have this correct. example: A person is born a male and his DNA says so. Sometime along the way his mind says nope I am a women. So he gets surgery has some parts removed and some added and has hormone shots to maintain his new gender for the rest of his life. And yet when he dies and they dig up his bones 200 years from now and check his bone structure and his DNA he still a man. Seams like an odd way to treat a mental illness to me or just humans screwing with nature. My suggestion would be until your reassignment surgery is complete use the restroom that you where born with. Hopefully science in the future will find a better way to solve this mental illness and stop chopping people up. | |
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LAC - 2016-04-20 10:08 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-20 11:07 AM Kaitlyn19 - 2016-04-19 8:57 PM komet. - 2016-04-16 5:26 AM ...where the confusion lays. If you have a penis, you go to the men's room. If you have a vagina, you go to the women's room.... If it's a porta-toilet you step in and lock the door behind you... Wh.Whe...Where is the confusion? Am I missing something? This discredits the folks who are intersex. If you are born both where do you go? Let me see if I can explain the difference now between transgendered and Being born with both sex organs ( Hermaphrodite ). Trans people are genetically correct being male or female and are born with the genitals to match their genetic make up. The only problem, is a problem of the MIND in these people. They are born one way but their MIND ONLY is the opposite of the body parts. People who are born with both have a genetic issue. SOme are born with an extra "Y" chromosome, some are born with an extra "X". ALL women carry eggs with only an "X" chromosome, males carry sperm of both X and Y. Depending on which get to the egg first determines the sex of the child. XX=girl XY=Boy. Sometimes sperm malfunction and they actually carry BOTH an X and Y, or 2 X's or 2Y's. In this case XXY= female looking but has small male genitals as well. YYX= mostly male with a small undeveloped vagina and Penis. OK, so what does this all mean??? Back in the day a child born with both , the parents could CHOOSE to raise the child male or female. Doctors believed that a childs gender could be shaped and molded by socialization. We know this not to be the case. These children are born with MALE or FEMALE MINDS.... Its impossible to tell at birth if a childs mind identifies as female or male. Doctors now advise parents to raise the child unisex and at puberty they will see which the childs MIND identifies with. The person can then have surgery to make the body and Mind MATCH. Hope that helps. Trans people have COMPLETE gender reassignment surgery. Meaning they had not both parts, but a totally functioning normal male or female anatomy that they are changing to the other gender.
Thank you for explaining. I do not have much knowledge on this topic, but while reading your explanation, I'm curious to know if you feel hormones may play a part. If a male takes female hormones he can develop breasts and if a women takes male hormones she can grow facial hair. Do you think that a hormonal imbalance may play a part in how transgender people feel about themselves?
Excellent question and yes I can help you with some answers here. Someone who is trans meaning they have perfectly normal anatomy but their mind feels they are trapped in wrong body have normal hormones. So if a man is trapped in a girls body, the body will have ovaries that produce estrogen. Many trans people have mental break downs once puberty starts. I know one man personally who was born a normal woman. At puberty, he took razor blades and tried to physically cut off his growing breasts by himself. I have heard of cases where women trapped in a mans body try to cut their penis off. These very things ( Breasts and penis ) are the manifestation of them being trapped. As a poster mentioned above, for a minimum ONE YEAR, trans people have to live as opposite gender, this includes hormone replacement therapy. Women trapped in a mans body will take estrogen and the testicles will stop producing testosterone. Men trapped in womans body will take testosterone, breasts will reduce, muscle mass will increase, facial hair and voice change etc. Once they decide this is the correct path for them, surgery will remove these parts permanently and they will need to stay on hormones for the rest of their lives. Hope that makes sense.
Hormones are " Biological" where as the feeling of being transgendered is " Mental" but no, hormone imbalances do not affect the feelings or cause someone to feel transgendered. If it were that simple it could be fixed very easily.
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| Just saw Target is allowing employees and customers to use whatever restroom AND dressing room that corresponds with their gender identity. | |
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| jbhoot - 2016-04-20 11:45 AM
Ok let me see if I have this correct. example: A person is born a male and his DNA says so. Sometime along the way his mind says nope I am a women. So he gets surgery has some parts removed and some added and has hormone shots to maintain his new gender for the rest of his life. And yet when he dies and they dig up his bones 200 years from now and check his bone structure and his DNA he still a man. Seams like an odd way to treat a mental illness to me or just humans screwing with nature. My suggestion would be until your reassignment surgery is complete use the restroom that you where born with. Hopefully science in the future will find a better way to solve this mental illness and stop chopping people up.
I get what your saying. Bone structure actually changes when you take hormones. SO born man taking estrogen, the actual facial bones and other bones in the body will also become less dense and actually change shape. The facial bones and chin become more refined etc. But correct, if 1000 years from now they dig someone up, do a DNA test on the bone or other tissue, it would be whatever the person was born as. No surgery can change DNA
Do a google image search for " Transgender before and after pictures". SOme of the transformations from hormones are pretty remarkable.
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| want2chase3 - 2016-04-20 12:09 PM
Just saw Target is allowing employees and customers to use whatever restroom AND dressing room that corresponds with their gender identity.
I teach at a High School and we also allow the same access. | |
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Location: Prosser, WA | WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM
Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM
WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway..
There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag.
Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using. | |
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Location: Midwest | I am undecided on this law, but if someone is a sexual deviant, I'm pretty sure they are probably not concerned with breaking any laws related to the bathroom usage.
Any accusations of molestation would be investigated. In society, some men will be deviant with young boys, as well as some women with young girls.
I don't forsee this law having a strong influence of the frequency of abuse. If someone is sick enough to molest a child, they will find a way to do it, and I don't think most of these people act in public anyway- too big a chance of getting caught.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
My problem is not the fact of transgender. Nor molestation, because that can occur in any bathroom with the current laws we have.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. | |
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| 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 9:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope.
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| 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM
kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope.
Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I don't have a fear. The gay/transgender thing as stated isn't an issue with me. I have a gay son and a step daughter who is married to a woman.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
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Location: N Texas | 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? | |
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Location: N Texas | I'm really curious how many people have been in a restroom with a transgender person and never knew it.
I don't think there's a good solution, people are going to be uncomfortable either way. A woman who has transitioned to male, has full facial hair and looks entirely male is going to be welcome in a women's restroom? Yeah right. | |
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| I can see all views and can agree with each. However, as I stated, if I see what appears to be a man going into the restroom where my little girl is using, I'm asking questions about his identity only after I drag him out by his balls.
Unless he doesn't have them...in which case...
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods?
Read the whole thing. You will understand. Not just the last reply. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 12:02 PM
I'm really curious how many people have been in a restroom with a transgender person and never knew it.
I don't think there's a good solution, people are going to be uncomfortable either way. A woman who has transitioned to male, has full facial hair and looks entirely male is going to be welcome in a women's restroom? Yeah right.
Probably a lot. This has been going on for years. That is why many don't have a problem with people who truly are transgender. It is the perverts like the man who was arrested in Rome GA yesterday that everyone should be concerned about. And that has been going on for a long time too | |
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Location: N Texas | 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods?
I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision.
ETA: or are you saying there are unisex restrooms that have both stalls AND urinals?
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On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision.
Gunner, as a mom, are you okay with a strange man urinating a few feet from your kid no matter what seperates them? And in every stall I've ever used, there are plenty of cracks. Ever have that awkward moment when you catch someone's eye while your in the stall? It's not safe, and again, how would that make a child feel when they've been lectured about stranger danger. | |
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| RidenFly - 2016-04-21 12:49 PM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-22 9:43 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision.
It's JUST a penis. Every guy has one. How about instead of sheltering your kids, you explain the basic anatomy to them. Until they are trying to shove it down their throat, I don't see the issue. | |
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Location: N Texas | RidenFly - 2016-04-21 11:49 AM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-22 9:43 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision.
Happens all the time in porta-potties...the only thing separating you from the person next to you is a thin plastic wall, so men urinate next to young girls all the time and nobody throws a fit about that. I'm not trying to start a debate on what a parent should and shouldn't feel comfortable with, I was just asking for clarification on how a girl would see a man's penis if they are each in their own private stall. | |
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On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods?
I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision.
I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you.
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-22 9:54 AM RidenFly - 2016-04-21 12:49 PM Gunner11 - 2016-04-22 9:43 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. It's JUST a penis. Every guy has one. How about instead of sheltering your kids, you explain the basic anatomy to them. Until they are trying to shove it down their throat, I don't see the issue.
Tell rape victims its just a penis. I'll continue to shelter my kids while I educate them. You're expecting alot of dicipline out of nature. I'm not about to trust a man I don't know to be that close to my kid. Not going to happen. | |
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Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods?
I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision.
I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you.
LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol | |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | RidenFly - 2016-04-21 9:59 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-22 9:54 AM RidenFly - 2016-04-21 12:49 PM Gunner11 - 2016-04-22 9:43 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. It's JUST a penis. Every guy has one. How about instead of sheltering your kids, you explain the basic anatomy to them. Until they are trying to shove it down their throat, I don't see the issue.
I agree. And I think I should be able to choose whether or not my daughter sees a penis, and not have to explain why a boy is in the girls room. Yes, it is just a penis. But my little girl doesn't need to see one. Has she seen one at school? I wouldn't doubt it. But in regards to a public restroom with a grown man? Not ok with me. | |
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Location: N Texas | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 12:05 PM
cyount2009 - 2016-04-21 9:59 AM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:43 AM
3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods?
I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision.
I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you.
LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol
I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 12:43 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. ETA: or are you saying there are unisex restrooms that have both stalls AND urinals?
Carry on - and do what you feel is appropriate for you and yours.
Edited by 3canstorun 2016-04-21 12:24 PM
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| In my state there was actually a Transgender barrel racer that hauled to some shows for a few years. She transitioned from man to women. I have not seen her in a couple years but everybody would look and talk about her. She was actually a very nice person. I felt bad for her. Anyways we were at a bigger show and one of my friends walked in on her in the women's showers just finishing up with one. My friend was in complete shock at what she walked in on. I'm not a 100% positive she had a full change over either. So it was a little hard to grasp that she was using the women's showers.
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| Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 10:18 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 12:05 PM
cyount2009 - 2016-04-21 9:59 AM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:43 AM
3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods?
I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision.
I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you.
LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol
I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
Correct, and notice I said " Pre Op" once they have full gender reassignment surgery those parts will no longer exist. Its actually AMAZING to me how far this surgery has come. After the surgery these people ( Either gender) have 100% fully functioning genitalia. I guess the surgery takes something like 10 or more hours. Has to be grueling. But there is a lot of plumbing to re route. :) I have seen " After" pictures of fully healed cases and to the naked eye you would never suspect that used to be the opposite anatomical part.
And as for walking in to the showers with a person not fully transitioned, I agree, that would be shocking and difficult to deal with. Personally for me, I wouldn't be the least bit phased by it, but I am not like everyone with the background that I have.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 1:18 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 12:05 PM cyount2009 - 2016-04-21 9:59 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:43 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you. LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
Well no ****, and you are being aggrevating just to be. You act like I am the devil and don't' understand transgender. If you would have read what I wrote, I said true transgenders I don't have a problem with and understand. And OMG - I have a guy son/step daughter. Frankly, I probably understand more then you. Never once did I put either of these people down or in a different category.
I just stated that in unisex bathrooms little kids would not understand. But, it seems that you and yours are special and do.
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On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you. LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
I just stated that in unisex bathrooms little kids would not understand. But, it seems that you and yours are special and do.
WTF are you even talking about?? I just asked you to clarify what you meant about the bathroom stuff because your posts were confusing. I haven't seen unisex restrooms that have multiple stalls AND urinals, so was really confused about what you meant about your daughter seeing strange peckers. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 2:02 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 12:59 PM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 1:18 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 12:05 PM cyount2009 - 2016-04-21 9:59 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:43 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you. LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
I just stated that in unisex bathrooms little kids would not understand. But, it seems that you and yours are special and do.
WTF are you even talking about?? I just asked you to clarify what you meant about the bathroom stuff because your posts were confusing. I haven't seen unisex restrooms that have multiple stalls AND urinals, so was really confused about what you meant about your daughter seeing strange peckers.
For pete's sake look up in the thread and read the blue part where it says urinals on the walls. You can't see that? | |
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Location: N Texas | 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 1:08 PM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 2:02 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 12:59 PM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 1:18 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 12:05 PM cyount2009 - 2016-04-21 9:59 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:43 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 11:38 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-21 11:47 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 10:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-21 11:17 AM 3canstorun - 2016-04-21 7:41 AM kakbarrelracer - 2016-04-21 1:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 9:04 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-04-19 10:58 PM WrapSnap - 2016-04-19 11:45 PM For those of you who have never had any experience with a transgendered individual and all that goes into "transitioning", I can promise you that the process is far more involved than simply a person dressing as the opposite gender. Yes, transgender is a psychiatric disorder. Actually, it is the only psychiatric disorder for which the only known cure is a physical surgery. In order to legally transition, get specific surgeries, receive identification with your new identity, etc... a person undergoes much psychiatric evaluation, counseling and the like. An individual must also live for a year as their new gender, all the while under supervision of mental health providers, to ensure that they are transitioning well and correctly. This is not simply a matter of a man deciding to slip on a dress, or a woman bandaging her chest down. Thats correct.. I think most of the people not wanting this legalized is due to the many perverts out there that will "pretend" they are to just get in that bathroom and noone can say a thing because its "legal" .. if this pervert harmed a child or was attmepting to without proof a police can do nothing because its legal for them to be in there.. Just to clarify.. this is not a transgender pervert..the transgender isnt what has others that I have talked to concerned.. I dont think anyway.. There has to be legal documentation. If you are far enough long in a transition, you will have been issued new identification. Say there was a question concerning something that were to happen in the bathroom, if you can't provide proper identification upon request, you're behind is in a sling. This has been the norm for some time. Even most of my female illusionist friends (who have no desire to be women ) have identification with them both in and out of drag. Actually Washington's law is that any one can use any restroom and no one has the right to question some one about the bathroom they are using.
On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you. LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
I just stated that in unisex bathrooms little kids would not understand. But, it seems that you and yours are special and do.
WTF are you even talking about?? I just asked you to clarify what you meant about the bathroom stuff because your posts were confusing. I haven't seen unisex restrooms that have multiple stalls AND urinals, so was really confused about what you meant about your daughter seeing strange peckers.
YES, that's why I asked you where there are women's restrooms with both stalls AND urinals, and then I realized you were probably talking about unisex bathrooms, but since I have never personally seen a unisex bathroom with both multiple stalls and urinals, I was confused. I have seen single-occupancy restrooms with both, but not multiple.
I was simply trying to understand what the heck you were talking about, I NEVER ONCE implied anything about you, you must be confusing my posts with someone else's. | |
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On the bathrooms that are more then one stall, and can be used by everyone/any sex, I don't want little girls seeing peckers. And, some of the new laws are making it so anyone/any sex in more then single stalls can do that. (Urinals on the wall). It is one thing to be running around naked at home, but to expose children to "outside" naked body parts, nope. Whats the fear? I do see your point of view, but thats what they are, body parts. Everyone has them. I was raised with my parents being very open and honest about the things I " Might" see. If I had a question, it got answered, immediately and honestly. Being a rodeo kid ( I'm male ) I saw my fair share of peckers from West coat to east coast and everything inbetween. I also saw my fair share of female parts upper and lower and everything inbetween. lol I see no reason to shelter children from the human body. Of course if questions arise, then age appropriate responses should be considered, but by the time kids start school at age 4 they are pretty well aware of what exists under clothes. I do know nudist families who have raised children to see naked people and be around naked family members and everyone else from a very young age and I do not see any developmental issues related to it. JMO.
I just feel that my young kids should not be exposed to strange peckers. And, while I do know they "teach/tell" things a little earlier then we did, it is still a private matter. And, it raises questions "mom, why is that man showing his penis?", especially after you gave the kid stranger/danger talks. How mind boggling to a 4 year old. At their age their digesting info is distorted compared to a teenager.
I'm slightly confused. There aren't urinals in women's restrooms, and unless your daughter is in the same stall as a transgender, how would she see his goods? I did read the whole thing. Are there women's restrooms in your area that have urinals, or where people are going to the bathroom in front of each other without any doors and walls to separate them? I've only used restrooms where each individual toilet had their own walls and doors, so there's no way to know if someone next to me has a penis without using x-ray vision. I'm with you on this! I have never been to a public restroom with multiple toilets that didn't have stalls with doors. I have seen public restrooms with a toilet and a urinal but they were single occupant only. Unless a child is peeking under the stall wall or door or through the cracks, there should be no issue with what ever body part is attached to the person in the stall next to you. LOL I asked a couple of pre-op transgendered male to female people what they do when they go into a stall in a womens restroom. They " Sit" like a woman does and they " TUCK" to pee. LOL SO even if a man WAS next to you in a stall and there was a crack, I doubt anyone would see a weiner anyway. lol I honestly assumed that's what they did. If they're trying to "fit in" with the female population, they're not going to stand and pee and draw attention to themselves.
I just stated that in unisex bathrooms little kids would not understand. But, it seems that you and yours are special and do.
WTF are you even talking about?? I just asked you to clarify what you meant about the bathroom stuff because your posts were confusing. I haven't seen unisex restrooms that have multiple stalls AND urinals, so was really confused about what you meant about your daughter seeing strange peckers. YES, that's why I asked you where there are women's restrooms with both stalls AND urinals, and then I realized you were probably talking about unisex bathrooms, but since I have never personally seen a unisex bathroom with both multiple stalls and urinals, I was confused. I have seen single-occupancy restrooms with both, but not multiple. I was simply trying to understand what the heck you were talking about, I NEVER ONCE implied anything about you, you must be confusing my posts with someone else's.
That's the point of this whole thread. They are trying to force companies to have it like that. To make Americans who own business have them, whether they agree or not.
Like the stupid laws they passed in MS, NC and other states. Which if people read them they wouldn't like those either, because it allows even medical staff to pick and choose who they want to care for...........but that is for another day.
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| It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. | |
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| want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM
It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman.
You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. | |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM
want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM
It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman.
You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights.
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Googly Goo
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights.
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Warrior Mom
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| TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights.
I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around. | |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:36 PM TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around.
I think TXBO was asking FlyingH the question.. | |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I think that this is the strangest subject that has ever been discussed on BHW.  | |
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Warrior Mom
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-21 4:41 PM
want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:36 PM TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around.
Ok .. I'm sorry then.. this thread is quoted so many times I got lost ... my bad... | |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:44 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-21 4:41 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:36 PM TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around. Ok .. I'm sorry then.. this thread is quoted so many times I got lost ... my bad...
Its OK, I think that you need a drink after all this | |
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Googly Goo
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-21 4:41 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:36 PM TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:46 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-21 4:41 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 4:36 PM TXBO - 2016-04-21 4:32 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman. You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights. I argued enough of this bs last night, I don't really care to get all into it again.. my point is, I'll never EVER be ok with it and I know I'm not the only one... it's not right no matter how it gets spun around.
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Strong Willed Woman
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Location: Prosser, WA | I don't understand how sexual harassment has been such a big deal in every part of our society. Sexual harassment training has been in the work place, schools and so on. We are supposed to be so politically correct about what we say and so forth. But now we are expected to use the same locker rooms. I would not want to be a high school teacher where bathrooms and locker rooms are a free for all. | |
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Not Afraid to Work
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-04-21 3:56 PM
want2chase3 - 2016-04-21 2:30 PM
It's like people get so offended and appalled if YOU AREN'T OK or supportive of Transgender men wanting the right the use the ladies restroom and locker rooms. For the record I'm very much not ok with it and I'm allowed to feel that way and say it. I have a young daughter and I would not be happy with her being in a restroom with a man who wants to be a woman.
You are allowed to feel that way ALL you want, but just because you feel that way doesn't mean you get to deny other people their rights.
I don't understand this rights thing. Seems like whatever you want has now become a "right." Allowing men who think/want /feel they're women into the women's bathroom has some how become their right?
I could name a lot of things I think I should have rights to... but you don't always get what you want. | |
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Veteran
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Location: Nebraska | Indeed, what's so hard about it? That is, the fact that gender and sex are two different things. Which is something so incredibly basic that it was taught to me in my sex-ed class freshman year of high school.
Trans people not there to molest your kids- your children much more likely to be molested by people within their family, actually. They just need to pee, and I'm sure they don't appreciate any sort of harassment for it. | |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | RockyMountainRacer - 2016-04-24 11:07 PM Indeed, what's so hard about it? That is, the fact that gender and sex are two different things. Which is something so incredibly basic that it was taught to me in my sex-ed class freshman year of high school. Trans people not there to molest your kids- your children much more likely to be molested by people within their family, actually. They just need to pee, and I'm sure they don't appreciate any sort of harassment for it.
That is not the issue .. transgenders .... noone has issues with them .. its the men that can now walk into a womans bathroom legally.. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Every election year in modern history there are social hot button issues that come up, and every year the GOP falls into the same trap.
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