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| Trying to figure this out! If a horse is running to the first barrel , going to the right , and turns it, which front and hind leg is taking the most stress??? I say right front and right rear, but few others I have talked to have said that when turning RIGHT it's the left front and hind that are the " push off " legs that are taking the most stress. I'm having a little issue with my 5 year old over the last couple months and I need to decide which leg to start digging deeper. Have a vet appointment Wednesday. Thanks! |
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Location: Durango CO | As I understand it, it is the inside front, outside hind that take the most stress. |
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| Lil_Pony35 - 2016-04-18 12:17 AM
As I understand it, it is the inside front, outside hind that take the most stress.
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Location: Texas | I personally think the outside front and inside hind |
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | Inside hind is the leg most loaded in a turn. |
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| Lil_Pony35 - 2016-04-17 10:17 PM
As I understand it, it is the inside front, outside hind that take the most stress.
THAT MAKES TOTAL FRICKIN SENSE!!!!!! THANKS SOOOOOO MUCH!!!
My colt was super solid all last year, makes same run every time. In December he started having " Intermittant" issue turning to the left. Sometimes he would just inhale the turn, about every 3-4th run something is grabbing him and he won't complete the turn. You can see it in videos, he even gets a look in his eye when he goes to set for turn. Vet has Xrayed head to toe and can't really find anything specific but yes that doesn't mean its not some tiny thing thats not there. We are still looking. lol Teeth and all that jazz are perfect. Thanks so much!
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Location: NE Texas | mollibtexan - 2016-04-18 8:20 AM I personally think the outside front and inside hind
I agree with this. The inside hock is definitely the most torqued joint in a turn, but the outside is also affected from a different perspective. Think of it from the point of view of a car going around a corner. The force of the turn pushes the centrifical force to the outside tires. Not exactly the same concept, but similar, as the outside definitely plays a part, maybe moreso from a balance perspective and holding the body in the turn/pulling forward to leave. |
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| Herbie - 2016-04-18 7:30 AM
mollibtexan - 2016-04-18 8:20 AM I personally think the outside front and inside hind
I agree with this. The inside hock is definitely the most torqued joint in a turn, but the outside is also affected from a different perspective. Think of it from the point of view of a car going around a corner. The force of the turn pushes the centrifical force to the outside tires. Not exactly the same concept, but similar, as the outside definitely plays a part, maybe moreso from a balance perspective and holding the body in the turn/pulling forward to leave.
Makes sense Herbie. Thanks for the analogy. That's how i learn best! |
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Location: North Dakota | I would be inclinded to say inside hind and outside front. |
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Location: North Dakota | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-18 9:29 AM Lil_Pony35 - 2016-04-17 10:17 PM As I understand it, it is the inside front, outside hind that take the most stress. THAT MAKES TOTAL FRICKIN SENSE!!!!!! THANKS SOOOOOO MUCH!!! My colt was super solid all last year, makes same run every time. In December he started having " Intermittant" issue turning to the left. Sometimes he would just inhale the turn, about every 3-4th run something is grabbing him and he won't complete the turn. You can see it in videos, he even gets a look in his eye when he goes to set for turn. Vet has Xrayed head to toe and can't really find anything specific but yes that doesn't mean its not some tiny thing thats not there. We are still looking. lol Teeth and all that jazz are perfect. Thanks so much!
You've checked for Kissing Spine?? |
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Location: Oklahoma | If your horse is one that really uses his hind end, then the outside (pushing) leg gets the most stress and will show the most problems, as they can pull the inside leg up under them completely and just use it for a rudder. If that outside leg is sore, you lose all momentum, and hind end slings around the barrel because they won't keep the hip engaged. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Flitastic, have you checked your colt's SI for soreness? A lot of times when they are doing what yours is doing, it's not in the leg at all, but in the pelvis. If you haven't checked there, I would sure look at it. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | My vets opinion is inside hock. outside stifle... had me change my bay mare to lefty first after she fractured he left hock so that it only had to reach up under her for one turn and thankfully I had already changed CC to lefty because of a fear issue that arose after dogs ran under the fence at the 2nd barrel at a clinic when she hurt her right stifle. |
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| dianeguinn - 2016-04-18 8:05 AM
Flitastic, have you checked your colt's SI for soreness? A lot of times when they are doing what yours is doing, it's not in the leg at all, but in the pelvis. If you haven't checked there, I would sure look at it.
Yep, SI was checked but I have not looked into kissing spine. I did mention it to my vet on last visit and she did not feel that was any kind of issue. |
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| This has been a process. He is such a WILLING and HARD WORKING colt. He is also stubborn to showing pain. Very stoic. We xrayed and FLEXED and FLEXED and FLEXED. He never showed any soreness, thus the predicament I am in right now! LOL if he would JUST SHOW ME where he is sore either by palpation, flex, etc.. lol But he WONT!! Happy go lucky and just moves sound as a dollar. He is on a supplement now for soft tissue repair ( Curost Nourish). but I am not sure it is addressing the issue.) He sure is slick and shiny from it though. lol He has been on adequan 2 full rounds a year etc.. Only thing we found on Xray was TINY little spot of arthritis in RF foot. Vet did not feel at the time it was affecting him but maybe with SPEED increasing over this last year so has the stress to that foot. We will see Friday at my appointment ! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | You might think if there is something consistent externally with the runs he is screwing up, maybe all on a certain kind of dirt or a certain kind of arena entrance? He may not be sore. It may be something little like that. |
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| oija - 2016-04-18 10:40 AM
You might think if there is something consistent externally with the runs he is screwing up, maybe all on a certain kind of dirt or a certain kind of arena entrance? He may not be sore. It may be something little like that.
You might be right!!! LOL I do have a THEORY. After one more vet appointment ( My vet is extremely conservative and does not like to just inject horses) so we started with saddle fit/teeth/ etc and what not. Now we are going to try and find it. LOL But she is still conservative so we might end up looking at external conditions. He sure doesn't spook, he could care less where the gate is located etc. lol In that case, if its a training issue, I can deal with that. I always trot a time only cause of his age, my gut tells me ( And he is a race horse), that the FIRST time you do it, should be the one that counts. If we don't find any physical reasons then next race I am just going to enter and run and see if that helps.... mentally. |
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| run n rate - 2016-04-18 9:44 AM My vets opinion is inside hock. outside stifle... had me change my bay mare to lefty first after she fractured he left hock so that it only had to reach up under her for one turn and thankfully I had already changed CC to lefty because of a fear issue that arose after dogs ran under the fence at the 2nd barrel at a clinic when she hurt her right stifle.
Agree..... And same in the front legs, it's inside foot, outside knee.
Also depends on what point of the turn they're in; the collection, the turn or the push off.
And SI can affect all of it.
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| I had a horse who started getting front endy then eventually ran up the fence on the first barrel (right). I assumed it was his inside hind since the other 2 barrels were flawless. Just did a bone scan last month and turn out to be the outside hip/SI. |
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| Thanks everyone! Vet appointment tomorrow and I have written down all the suggestions to run by my vet. She is excellent and worked on racehorses for 15 years so is pretty keen on lameness etc. At this point I am not going to take the super expensive route with bone scans , MRI etc.. Will do that later if needed. Thanks! |
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| Lil_Pony35 - 2016-04-18 12:17 AM
As I understand it, it is the inside front, outside hind that take the most stress.
Based on my experience, this makes sense to me. Have a gelding (now retired) who had issues turning the 1st barrel, but never the 2nd or 3rd. Found he had arthritis in the right knee and the left hock. I also suspect some possible SI issues but those might have come later. He's retired now, so it doesn't make any difference. But if he was still competing, those are the areas I would focus on with him.
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When turning, which leg is taking the most stress?