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Location: USA | I have a gelding that was running in the 1-d - 2-d consistently a year ago. Now, he has stopped wanting to turn the first barrel. Sometimes he'll run in like he's going to commit, then on the back side where he should start to straighten out and push off for the 2nd barrel, just stops and comes up. Other times, he is reluctant to even run to the barrel, he will fade left, and not stride out and run. I have had him checked for lameness issues, and had his hocks injected. No improvement.
I am thinking ulcers, so I started him on Ulcergard 3 days ago, in hopes I see an improvement. I have read to treat them intstead of spending that money to get them scoped.
my question is how do I know if its hind gut, versus gastric ulcers? I don't want to be giving him this expensive stuff if it's not doing any good. Can I or should I treat him for both at one time? What is recommended for hind gut? PLEASE HELP!!
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Location: IL | I'd start with the omerprazole and see where it goes. My mare was showing signs of being better in 48 hours. |
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Location: WI | Could be bleeding, may be best to have him scoped. It's really not that expensive. |
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| My mother in law has been struggling with an outside horse that has the same issue. got his guts scoped last week and it turns out he had ulcers but they were caused by a HUGE wad of bot fly eggs! We were told to treat him with zimmectrin |
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Location: Oklahoma | IME I would think bleeding before ulcers as generally ulcers means cinchy , nervous , not liking being brushed, not blooming from feed , alley sour, crowhopping at canter ... But as my vet said treat and maintain w feed as it is sooo common.
Bleeding usually wo physical signs of blood and or coughing : run off to 1st , or shut down after 3rd , up and down speed : sometimes firing sometimes not , nervousness and alley sour also. Scope n find out . |
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Location: USA | He did have phenomonia last summer. I had him scoped after we treated for that and the vet said he looked great. Can they tell if they are bleeders if they scope them at rest?
I thought he quit working cause of the pneumonia, but he still has the same issue now. He does get a little irritated when I saddle, cross fires a lot and just seems mad and irritated all the time.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | THE GastroPLUS, gastric and hing gut ulcers. $118 for 30 scoops shipped. That lasts roughly a month. Then you can usually go to their Performance Formula or Muscle Mass and have ulcer prevent added as a special blend. Those run $60 and $70 respectively for 80 scoop bags (2 1/2 months worth). |
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He did have phenomonia last summer. I had him scoped after we treated for that and the vet said he looked great. Can they tell if they are bleeders if they scope them at rest?
I thought he quit working cause of the pneumonia, but he still has the same issue now. He does get a little irritated when I saddle, cross fires a lot and just seems mad and irritated all the time.
They need to scope for bleeding after running. Does he cough after running? Is his breathing out of the ordinary? Go to Walmart and buy Aloe Vera Juice. Give 30 ccs about 15 minutes before he eats morning and night. If it is ulcers, you should be able.to see a difference in about 48 hours. The aloe Vera calms the stomach. What are you feeding? I would get him on Vitalize High Performance . It is 125.for a 50 lb bag.and last a horse about 90 days. It has both a prebiotic and Probiotic. I also.feed Kool
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| A lot of times issues with first barrel, especially on the back side, can be front end issues. I'd certainly ask the vet to scope and do a BAL looking for bleeding, but first I'd ask to have an ultrasound done on front suspensories. Looking for lung bleeding is always a good idea on any horse, I've discovered. Checking for ulcers is a great idea, especially if a horse is in pain somewhere, it will sometimes be expressed with ulcer issues.
Do you have access to a vet with a lameness locator? It's worth traveling for on issues that aren't obvious to the human eye. We can't see a hitch that's 1/8 of an inch difference, but a locator will pick it up. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | I would scope for bleeding as well. The symptoms can be similar to ulcers. I would go ahead and treat for ulcers as well tho. I use OxyUlcer by oxygen. Its a 15 day treatment that heals both front and hind gut ulcers. Its only $250 and works awesome. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | I've never tried it myself so I am not sure of the accuracy of the test, but you can get a fecal test through SUCCEED, it's a fairly inexpensive test that your vet can get. You grab a fresh sample and take it back to your vet to be sent in and analyzed. The way I understand it is that it tells you if you have hindgut or foregut ulcer. Scoping is the most definitive way to see about ulcers, but if you're not wanting to spend the money on the scope then this might be a cheaper alternative and a place to start. Good luck.  |
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Location: Idaho | Oakley - 2016-04-19 6:02 AM
I have a gelding that was running in the 1-d - 2-d consistently a year ago. Now, he has stopped wanting to turn the first barrel. Sometimes he'll run in like he's going to commit, then on the back side where he should start to straighten out and push off for the 2nd barrel, just stops and comes up. Other times, he is reluctant to even run to the barrel, he will fade left, and not stride out and run. I have had him checked for lameness issues, and had his hocks injected. No improvement.
I am thinking ulcers, so I started him on Ulcergard 3 days ago, in hopes I see an improvement. I have read to treat them intstead of spending that money to get them scoped.
my question is how do I know if its hind gut, versus gastric ulcers? I don't want to be giving him this expensive stuff if it's not doing any good. Can I or should I treat him for both at one time? What is recommended for hind gut? PLEASE HELP!!
This sounds like a gelding that I had. He was a 2D barrel horse and solid pole horse, but when I bought him it was from a friend of a friend and when I started running him.. I found out he was blown up. Not to mention had a bunch of stuff wrong with him.. probably why I got him so cheap. He was an awesome trail horse though.. good cow horse.. anything else he did wonderful. But something about that pattern.
Anyway, I got him readjusted, gave him some time off, got his teeth floated, did everything else but barrels.. gave him a year to mentally recover before I started him again. I eventually got him checked out for ulcers, and he did have them. I treated them, and he was a completely different horse. But he still didn't want to run barrels. He would literally set up for a barrel, come off the back set and literally come to dead stop. Then if you made him finish the run, he wouldn't stop and literally try and run into a fence. It ruined him really, and I just don't think he enjoyed them anymore. So I sold him as a trail horse.
For the vet, you don't have to get them scoped.. take a fecal sample to your vet and get it checked out for blood. It costs like $30. If it is positive, then your horse probably has ulcers. Mind you, I know people say just treat and not check.. but treating and maintaining a horse for ulcer's is not a 30 day thing. It is maintenance, it is consistent and for them to HEAL you need to have a LEAST 60-90 days of omeprazole, following by maintenance of 1 cup of aloe vera juice a day which is prevention of reforming ulcers, otherwise it would be all for nothing. So you would be wasting your money to a "what if" rather than a "Yes he does." |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | classicpotatochip - 2016-04-18 3:12 PM A lot of times issues with first barrel, especially on the back side, can be front end issues. I'd certainly ask the vet to scope and do a BAL looking for bleeding, but first I'd ask to have an ultrasound done on front suspensories. Looking for lung bleeding is always a good idea on any horse, I've discovered. Checking for ulcers is a great idea, especially if a horse is in pain somewhere, it will sometimes be expressed with ulcer issues. Do you have access to a vet with a lameness locator? It's worth traveling for on issues that aren't obvious to the human eye. We can't see a hitch that's 1/8 of an inch difference, but a locator will pick it up.
Really good advice. Not sure about barrel racing, but with race horses, feet problems can cause a horse to bleed because of the pain causing more exertion due to the difference in how they stride out at full speed. Of course pain and bleeding issues can cause ulcers due to the extra stress involved in a competition run. It is all tied together one way or another, rarely does a performance horse have one single issue, look at the whole horse always. |
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| Barnmom - 2016-04-18 9:18 PM
classicpotatochip - 2016-04-18 3:12 PM A lot of times issues with first barrel, especially on the back side, can be front end issues. I'd certainly ask the vet to scope and do a BAL looking for bleeding, but first I'd ask to have an ultrasound done on front suspensories. Looking for lung bleeding is always a good idea on any horse, I've discovered. Checking for ulcers is a great idea, especially if a horse is in pain somewhere, it will sometimes be expressed with ulcer issues. Do you have access to a vet with a lameness locator? It's worth traveling for on issues that aren't obvious to the human eye. We can't see a hitch that's 1/8 of an inch difference, but a locator will pick it up.
Really good advice. Not sure about barrel racing, but with race horses, feet problems can cause a horse to bleed because of the pain causing more exertion due to the difference in how they stride out at full speed. Of course pain and bleeding issues can cause ulcers due to the extra stress involved in a competition run. It is all tied together one way or another, rarely does a performance horse have one single issue, look at the whole horse always.
I agree with the feet issues. I've dealt with feet issues because of shoers,for over a year. The pain can cause bleeding and ulcers. So yes check the whole horse. |
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Location: IL | miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-04-18 11:09 AM
My mother in law has been struggling with an outside horse that has the same issue. got his guts scoped last week and it turns out he had ulcers but they were caused by a HUGE wad of bot fly eggs! We were told to treat him with zimmectrin
After the zimmectrin did the vet say what you should do next? I have a horse that was loaded with worms and I'm still struggling with stomach issues with her. I know BOTS don't show up in a fecal. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | merdth6 - 2016-04-19 7:49 AM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-04-18 11:09 AM My mother in law has been struggling with an outside horse that has the same issue. got his guts scoped last week and it turns out he had ulcers but they were caused by a HUGE wad of bot fly eggs! We were told to treat him with zimmectrin After the zimmectrin did the vet say what you should do next? I have a horse that was loaded with worms and I'm still struggling with stomach issues with her. I know BOTS don't show up in a fecal.
When I was having issues with my show horse, we even thought it was EPM. We had him checked by a blood test and sent it in and it came back as he had inflammation somewhere but not EPM. They had me treat him for worms. I can't remember the dewormer they had me use, and then do a heavy round of ulcer meds. I can't say if it made a difference, he was still off so we kicked him to pasture and forgot about him all winter/spring. Then sent him off to be re-started and he is a dream. Point of the story is I think worms/ulcers can cause strange things, a horse to be off but not really lame. |
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My mother in law has been struggling with an outside horse that has the same issue. got his guts scoped last week and it turns out he had ulcers but they were caused by a HUGE wad of bot fly eggs! We were told to treat him with zimmectrin
After the zimmectrin did the vet say what you should do next? I have a horse that was loaded with worms and I'm still struggling with stomach issues with her. I know BOTS don't show up in a fecal.
We turned in a fecal sample on Monday for testing and he will update us from there how to continue based on the results. |
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Location: IL | miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-04-19 10:58 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 8:49 AM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-04-18 11:09 AM My mother in law has been struggling with an outside horse that has the same issue. got his guts scoped last week and it turns out he had ulcers but they were caused by a HUGE wad of bot fly eggs! We were told to treat him with zimmectrin After the zimmectrin did the vet say what you should do next? I have a horse that was loaded with worms and I'm still struggling with stomach issues with her. I know BOTS don't show up in a fecal. We turned in a fecal sample on Monday for testing and he will update us from there how to continue based on the results.
I did a tube of Anethecide EQ, then 10 days later I did Quest Plus. 10 days after that I did another fecal and she showed some worms. Vet wanted me to do regular Quest and then put her on a daily wormer for 2 months. I recently took her off the daily cause I noticed she was crabby undersaddle and very cinchy. I have her on a Aloe and Marshmellow supplement from Curost, but she still seems sore. I'm getting ready to start a 30 omeprazole treatment. I was just curious what other people were doing. Thanks |
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miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-04-19 10:58 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 8:49 AM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-04-18 11:09 AM My mother in law has been struggling with an outside horse that has the same issue. got his guts scoped last week and it turns out he had ulcers but they were caused by a HUGE wad of bot fly eggs! We were told to treat him with zimmectrin After the zimmectrin did the vet say what you should do next? I have a horse that was loaded with worms and I'm still struggling with stomach issues with her. I know BOTS don't show up in a fecal. We turned in a fecal sample on Monday for testing and he will update us from there how to continue based on the results.
Curost will not heal ulcers. What are you feeding? Be careful using omeprazole. You do not want to do away with all the acid in the stomach. A horse has to have some acid in the stomach
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Location: IL | readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 11:33 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 11:19 AM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-04-19 10:58 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 8:49 AM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-04-18 11:09 AM My mother in law has been struggling with an outside horse that has the same issue. got his guts scoped last week and it turns out he had ulcers but they were caused by a HUGE wad of bot fly eggs! We were told to treat him with zimmectrin After the zimmectrin did the vet say what you should do next? I have a horse that was loaded with worms and I'm still struggling with stomach issues with her. I know BOTS don't show up in a fecal. We turned in a fecal sample on Monday for testing and he will update us from there how to continue based on the results. Curost will not heal ulcers. What are you feeding? Be careful using omeprazole. You do not want to do away with all the acid in the stomach. A horse has to have some acid in the stomach
I realize Curost doesn't heal ulcers. I was under the impression that it was supposed to, but I'm realizing that my horses are still showing symptoms despite being on it. I feed an all natural diet. My horses get maybe a 1/2 cup of oats and 1/2 cup of flaxseed. Just enought to get their supplements in them. They also have a good alfalfa/grass hay. Omeprazole does not shut down all the acid in a horses stomach, it just lowers it some to help heal ulcers. I'm not looking to use omeprazole long term and I know that there are side effects with using it long term. I've used a lot of supplements that supposed to heal/help ulcer horses and I have not found one yet that seems to work. I also found out that my one mare was loaded with worms, so I'm wondering if that has alot to do with stomach issues she's been having. I'm sure it's not helping the situation. |
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| merdth6 - 2016-04-19 10:38 AM
readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 11:33 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 11:19 AM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-04-19 10:58 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 8:49 AM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-04-18 11:09 AM My mother in law has been struggling with an outside horse that has the same issue. got his guts scoped last week and it turns out he had ulcers but they were caused by a HUGE wad of bot fly eggs! We were told to treat him with zimmectrin After the zimmectrin did the vet say what you should do next? I have a horse that was loaded with worms and I'm still struggling with stomach issues with her. I know BOTS don't show up in a fecal. We turned in a fecal sample on Monday for testing and he will update us from there how to continue based on the results. Curost will not heal ulcers. What are you feeding? Be careful using omeprazole. You do not want to do away with all the acid in the stomach. A horse has to have some acid in the stomach
Just my 2 cents here but my horses still showed symptoms even being on the curost Stomach. I did switch to the DePaolo Excel and have seen a lot better results. Just my personal opinion. My young one is really doing well on the curost nourish. The stomach just didn't do much. |
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Location: NE Texas | Ya'll are correct, Cur-OST Stomach formula will not heal ulcers, nor will any other product or medication. These, and other ulcer products, including Omeprazole and Ranitidine change the environment in the stomach so that it can allow itself to heal by either making the environment more moist and wet or by reducing the amount of acid produced by the stomach. The reason we see reoccurences in ulcers after treatment, even with Rx medications, is because the source of the stress causing the irritation hasn't been eliminated. Could be anything from competition, to pain, to something as simple as being stalled. All horses are affected by stress differently, same as humans, which is why some need more stomach support daily, while others can be managed without once the stress and the effects of stress are managed as much as possible.
I know this has been a frustrating journey for you, merdth, and I sure hope you can find something that gets your horse relief. It stinks when we see them not feeling well and can't find a way to help them feel better. :(
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Location: IL | Herbie - 2016-04-19 12:54 PM Ya'll are correct, Cur-OST Stomach formula will not heal ulcers, nor will any other product or medication. These, and other ulcer products, including Omeprazole and Ranitidine change the environment in the stomach so that it can allow itself to heal by either making the environment more moist and wet or by reducing the amount of acid produced by the stomach. The reason we see reoccurences in ulcers after treatment, even with Rx medications, is because the source of the stress causing the irritation hasn't been eliminated. Could be anything from competition, to pain, to something as simple as being stalled. All horses are affected by stress differently, same as humans, which is why some need more stomach support daily, while others can be managed without once the stress and the effects of stress are managed as much as possible.
I know this has been a frustrating journey for you, merdth, and I sure hope you can find something that gets your horse relief. It stinks when we see them not feeling well and can't find a way to help them feel better. :(
Yep kinda stuck! This mare hasn't been competing since last year beginning of October.. I've already had her checked out by a vet and she did show some hock soreness, but had her injected and she seems much better soreness wise. She feels good when riding except she's cinchy and irritable. I was having all kinds of problems with her itching off everything and basically rubbing her skin off her hindend. I had a fecal done back in january and she had a very high worm count. She was wormed per my vets instructions and I was very happy to see that all the itching stopped!! So one problem was finally figured out. Although now I have this stomach problem going on. I gave her 2 doses of left over omeprazole over the course of 2 days and she was a completely different horse!! She wasn't cinchy anymore and rode around relaxed and calm, so I realized my stomach supplements were obviously not working. I don't want to keep her on omeprazole long term and just trying to find something to help her. My mare is turned out with other horses and I really don't stall unless it's super bad weather. She has only been ridden 1 to 2 times a week. I think I will try the Excel and see what that does. I don't think her life right now is very stressful. She basically eats hay all day and hangs out with her pasture mates.
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Location: NE Texas | So sorry. Hope you find the combination that works best for her. Stress comes in so many different forms it's crazy. I have one that stresses if he's stalled and one that stresses if he's not stalled. Haha Stress is different for all of us. I'm not a big fan of shopping....it gives me great anxiety, but I know of plenty of people who think it's relaxing. Stress isn't necessarily seen as negative....it can be anticipation, excitement, etc.
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You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. |
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Location: IL | readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday.
Is that also known as KER??? I have fed some of their products. Not that feed though. I'm in a weird area to get feed. I wanted to try Renew Gold but I can't get it here. There is a Tribute Dealer and might look into that, but I'm really not feeding much grain at all. Maybe a handful and I can't see that setting her off that bad. |
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readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday.
Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers. |
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Location: IL | readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 3:58 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers.
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readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 3:58 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers.
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Location: IL | readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 2:02 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 4:39 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 3:58 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers. The product is called Rite Trac
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readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 3:58 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers.
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| readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 12:45 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 2:02 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 4:39 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 3:58 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers. The product is called Rite Trac I was told it healed them. I wasn't paying attention because I'm happy with what I'm using. 125 for a 50 lb bag. Last one horse 90 days.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 12:45 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 2:02 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 4:39 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 3:58 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers. The product is called Rite Trac I was told it healed them. I wasn't paying attention because I'm happy with what I'm using. 125 for a 50 lb bag. Last one horse 90 days.
I have used Rite Trac as well and it treats hind and fore gut.
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Location: Idaho | Meyerfarm - 2016-04-19 6:58 PM
I use a compounded paste from my vet that's Omeprazole and Sulcrafate. Sulcrafate treats the hind gut ulcers. $165 for 30 day treatment. then do preventive stuff. you don't need to treat for 60-90 days. this came straight from my vet.
Actually the 60 (minimum)-90 days came from my vet as well, and he has done extensive studies and also went to a seminar who the lead speaker was a Nationally accredited Equine veterinarian who specialized in Equine ulcers, and they had done multiple tests on what had the best results on treating, and maintaining them and that is what he told me, and I didn't have other issues with my horse that had ulcers after that. He just was blown up and didn't like barrels anymore, he is just a trail and cow horse now and is enjoying his life. |
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Location: Kansas | SmokinGirlie - 2016-04-20 1:43 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 12:45 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 2:02 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 4:39 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 3:58 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers. The product is called Rite Trac I was told it healed them. I wasn't paying attention because I'm happy with what I'm using. 125 for a 50 lb bag. Last one horse 90 days.
It does treat ulcers? |
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Location: IL | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-04-21 7:53 AM SmokinGirlie - 2016-04-20 1:43 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 12:45 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 2:02 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 4:39 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 3:58 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers. The product is called Rite Trac I was told it healed them. I wasn't paying attention because I'm happy with what I'm using. 125 for a 50 lb bag. Last one horse 90 days.
ritetrac does not cure ulcers. It has stuff in it to coat the stomach, but my mare still had ulcers after I fed it for 45 days. I had to treat her with omeprazole. If I would have treat with omeprazole first I think the product would have kept them from reoccurring and I do like the product but I can't afford it at $120 a month for 1 horse just for stomach supplement. |
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Location: Kansas | merdth6 - 2016-04-21 8:42 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-04-21 7:53 AM SmokinGirlie - 2016-04-20 1:43 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 12:45 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 2:02 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 4:39 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 3:58 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers. The product is called Rite Trac I was told it healed them. I wasn't paying attention because I'm happy with what I'm using. 125 for a 50 lb bag. Last one horse 90 days.
I agree, I can't either. My gelding is started on SmartDigest with smartpak |
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Location: USA | Ok going on day 7 with Ulcergard, and I really think I am seeing improvements. My question now is should I taper him off of it after 28 days, and what do I follow up on for maintence? 
Edited by Oakley 2016-04-22 8:23 AM
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Oakley - 2016-04-22 8:08 AM Ok going on day 7 with Ulcergard, and I really think I am seeing improvements. My question now is should I taper him off of it after 8 days, and what do I follow up on for maintence?
I think you need to do at least 28 days to get them healed. I would look in to Succeed or GastroPlus if you think you may still have ongoing issues and the ulcers may come back.
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Location: USA | I'm sorry I meant to type 28 days. I've heard you should not just stop cold turkey, should I Taper?
And what do you all use for maintence? |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | merdth6 - 2016-04-21 8:42 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-04-21 7:53 AM SmokinGirlie - 2016-04-20 1:43 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 12:45 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-20 2:02 AM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 4:39 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 4:20 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 3:58 PM readytorodeo - 2016-04-19 2:05 PM merdth6 - 2016-04-19 1:42 PM Thanks! You might try and call Kentucky Equine Research. They used to make neighlox . But the company split and they now have another product. I talked to someone there about the Relieve feed yesterday. Yes. But they also have a new product for ulcers. I cant b remember the name. Call them and they can tell you. It is supposed to get fore and hind gut ulcers. The product is called Rite Trac I was told it healed them. I wasn't paying attention because I'm happy with what I'm using. 125 for a 50 lb bag. Last one horse 90 days.
I just said treats, much like lots of others on the market. I had lots of luck with Rite Trac and only had to use itt after the inital 30/45 days as needed.
However, I have now switched to Cur-OST. |
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Location: East Texas | Oakley - 2016-04-18 8:02 AM I have a gelding that was running in the 1-d - 2-d consistently a year ago. Now, he has stopped wanting to turn the first barrel. Sometimes he'll run in like he's going to commit, then on the back side where he should start to straighten out and push off for the 2nd barrel, just stops and comes up. Other times, he is reluctant to even run to the barrel, he will fade left, and not stride out and run. I have had him checked for lameness issues, and had his hocks injected. No improvement.
I am thinking ulcers, so I started him on Ulcergard 3 days ago, in hopes I see an improvement. I have read to treat them intstead of spending that money to get them scoped.
my question is how do I know if its hind gut, versus gastric ulcers? I don't want to be giving him this expensive stuff if it's not doing any good. Can I or should I treat him for both at one time? What is recommended for hind gut? PLEASE HELP!!
I have one doing the exact same thing! Following for ideas... we been at vet numerous times over the past 6 months trying to figure it out. |
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| http://www.drkerryridgway.com/articles/article-ulcers.php
This article was incredibly informative and helpful when I was struggling with my gelding and ulcers. After multiple trips to the vet for being mysteriously off in his right side, blocks, xrays we did it. I was so frustrated and broke. I started researching ulcers as a possibility after reading something on here and found this article. My gelding had EVERY SYMPTOM except colic, although he'd go lay down after every workout :(
I used the ranitidine and sucraffate (sp) combo. I was able to give him the meds 3x daily bc I had flexible schedule. I did wean him off. I did change my management and feeding program. I feed him herbs ie marshmallow root, aloe Vera juice and a few others. He looks and feels phenomenal!!! |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Oakley - 2016-04-18 8:02 AM I have a gelding that was running in the 1-d - 2-d consistently a year ago. Now, he has stopped wanting to turn the first barrel. Sometimes he'll run in like he's going to commit, then on the back side where he should start to straighten out and push off for the 2nd barrel, just stops and comes up. Other times, he is reluctant to even run to the barrel, he will fade left, and not stride out and run. I have had him checked for lameness issues, and had his hocks injected. No improvement.
I am thinking ulcers, so I started him on Ulcergard 3 days ago, in hopes I see an improvement. I have read to treat them intstead of spending that money to get them scoped.
my question is how do I know if its hind gut, versus gastric ulcers? I don't want to be giving him this expensive stuff if it's not doing any good. Can I or should I treat him for both at one time? What is recommended for hind gut? PLEASE HELP!!
Omeprazole!!!!!
The highest percentage is that ulcers are in the gastric area. Very low percentage they are in hindgut. Can there be ulcers in hind gut yes but very low percentage.
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Location: USA | What do you guys follow up with after Ulcergard?
There are soooo many different products! |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | I had 28 days on Gastroguard than have him on SmartGut and have had no problems for 2 years. I do give ulcer guard before, during and after a show for maintenance. |
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | I am using Smart Gut as well and really loving the results. Mare looks great and I can afford it. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Oakley - 2016-04-25 8:28 AM What do you guys follow up with after Ulcergard?
There are soooo many different products!
Lower dose of Omeprazole |
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Ulcer issues? Help!!!!