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| We raised a filly that has a parrot mouth. So, do I start her or don't waste my time? |
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Location: Kansas | How bad is it? |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | It's a long ways from her feet. Just don't put her on a short grass pasture and keep her teeth done a couple times a year. See also if she may need to be ridden in a certain kind of bit because of it. Otherwise continue on. We have a gelding with this issue. He is very manageable. |
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Location: Kansas | I'd just start her with a hackamore
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| She's a year and to me it's bad, a pretty good gap. Nothing I think is going away. Though I admit I keep a close eye thinking it will "clear" up.....just wishful thinking so far. :( |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Start her, I knew of a few horses that were bad parrot mouth but were bang up barrel horses. Just dont breed her later in life.  |
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| I think one of Frodo's horses had a parrot mouth, maybe she'll get on and weigh in. I've never dealt with it but I would think if it wasn't too bad, you wouldn't be wasting your time. |
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| Get a bosal and put her to work. |
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Location: The edge of no where | She's going to need more dental maintenance than most horses....but especially if I already owned her, I'd go forward and start her. Have a good dentist look at her and put a plan together, the earlier you do this - the better off she'll be. |
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| oija
that's what I told my husband.....maybe she will be the soundest one yet! |
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Location: Arizona | We had a mare that was bred by my grandpa with a parrot mouth, she also liked to stick her tongue out the side of her mouth all the time. My grandpa bred & raised her sire & dam, neither them nor her grandparents had parrot mouths on either side of her pedigree so we aren't sure where it came from. Congenital defect, perhaps. In any case, she made an excellent riding horse, we roped & ran barrels & used her in the backcountry until she broke her pelvis as a 9YO. She preferred a bit with a chain mouthpiece or a hackamore, in fact we rode her plenty of times with nothing but a halter. I agree with starting in a hackamore or a sidepull. She was fine with annual maintenance appointments for dental work but you definitely didn't want to skip a year or she'd end up needing chiro work as well to get everything back in alignment. On a hay diet she needed a little help via alfalfa pellets and/or senior feed to look her best, but nothing drastic. Oddly enough she grazed very well and kept her weight on pasture without extra goodies. If your filly seems like a nice trainable prospect otherwise, I'd give her a chance. |
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| Thanks for all the replies. I will just see how it goes then.
Absolutely would not consider breeding her. I agree.
At the same time, I don't think this was a genetic deal either. I'm a little confused how it happens. |
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| My friend had a BAD parrot mouthed mare, but she was a jam up barrel horse. They did breed her, and her foal didn't have a parrot mouth. |
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| I compete on one. There is some good advice given. I'm sure glad I didn't let it stop me from using mine.
I did use a hack on her for awhile, but after some good dental work I was able to go back to a bit on her.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Ummm... This is just my opinion.... If you can't find him.. make the effort to find someone trained by him.... I WATCHED him do this!! Over the course of 12 months, he brought a 1/2 TB..-1/2 QH COLT that was 18MM out of line back into alignment.. If I had not seen this..... I would not believe it.... His name is Dale Jeffrey.... He opened the Equine Gnathological Training Institute, Inc. in King Hill Idaho... |
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| Not sure I understand.....do you mean that person is a dentist? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | y_do_i_do_this - 2016-04-19 3:10 PM
Not sure I understand.....do you mean that person is a dentist?
Yes... not only that... Your vet went to veterinary school... and he/she read the books this man wrote about this subject.. |
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Location: Arizona | I'm not sure how pricey the corrective procedures are, but I've also seen pictures of some amazing work they've done to improve overbites in horses. For what it's worth, my mom raised 5 foals from the mare I spoke of above. None had a parrot mouth. We've raised 7 grandbabies so far from 3 of her daughters, none of them have had parrot mouths either. Obviously it was a concern, but she had proven herself to us in every other way and ultimately the parrot mouth was not a deal breaker for us, especially when we knew her parents & grandparents had clean bites. There were some studies in Australia that suggested parrot mouths were caused by breeding horses with different head types, basically saying some foals get the upper jaw shape of one parent & the lower jaw shape of the other. I know our mare's dam had a long, thin more TB type head, and her sire had the cute little baby doll QH type head. Perhaps this was how she wound up with her overbite. Or perhaps something happened while she was developing in the womb, I don't know. I think there was a college here in the states that was taking hair samples from parrot mouthed horses not too long ago to see if they could identify a genetic marker, not sure if they've made any progress yet? Personally, I think there are probably multiple causes for the defect. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Find a good equine dentist or vet that is really interested and likes doing teeth, right away and then start her. You'll just need to keep her up on dentals more often and she won't survive living in a pasture with short grass.
I've known many great barrel horses with parrot mouths and some ran with bits and some ran in hacks. One of the most famous barrel sires here in Texas threw more parrot mouthed horses then ones without and people waited in line to breed to him. |
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| whinny19
Thank you for your story. I too have read some of the things you mentioned, the head shapes in particular. Funny thing is this filly was the last foal out of our broodmare and she had never thrown a parrot mouth. However, we had never went to this sire with her. He's a DTF and I have not heard those have parrot mouths either. Who knows why, but it is what it is. Thanks again.
So, when you all are suggesting frequent dentals......do you mean like right now? She's not even one yet.
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Location: God's country | I have a 5 year old with a pretty significant parrot mouth. You would never know it by looking at her. Maintains her weight fantastically even on short grass. If I had your horse, I'd go ahead & get a dentist to look at her. Our dentist has been working on mine since she was a 2 year old & her bite has improved with twice a year floats. Not perfect of course, but has definitely improved. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | y_do_i_do_this - 2016-04-20 12:50 PM whinny19
Thank you for your story. I too have read some of the things you mentioned, the head shapes in particular. Funny thing is this filly was the last foal out of our broodmare and she had never thrown a parrot mouth. However, we had never went to this sire with her. He's a DTF and I have not heard those have parrot mouths either. Who knows why, but it is what it is. Thanks again.
So, when you all are suggesting frequent dentals......do you mean like right now? She's not even one yet.
I would have her start dentals now for your equine dentist to stay on top of things and map out a plan. |
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| i had na really nice colt i sole some years back who was parrot mouth. colt rode very light and was a good barrel horse sold him to a friend for her daughter as a 5 year old she still has him and he is starting with some soundness issues but he is in early twenties. when i sold him the girl was about 12 years old her was a good horse for her as he was tollerant. never did anything wrong she sure loves her boy. she would take another one like him anytime. never took a wrong step. he has some navicular but he is 21 or 22.
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Location: Arizona | y_do_i_do_this - 2016-04-21 11:50 AM
whinny19
Thank you for your story. I too have read some of the things you mentioned, the head shapes in particular. Funny thing is this filly was the last foal out of our broodmare and she had never thrown a parrot mouth. However, we had never went to this sire with her. He's a DTF and I have not heard those have parrot mouths either. Who knows why, but it is what it is. Thanks again.
So, when you all are suggesting frequent dentals......do you mean like right now? She's not even one yet.
You're very welcome! I'm glad I could offer a little reassurance. I hope your filly brings your family as many good memories as ours did. :) |
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Location: Arizona | Bumping |
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| Cut your losses right now and sell her before you spend money on constant dental work, time and training then being leery of breeding her in the future.
There are 7 main things that sales companies require to be called in their catalogue or updated by the auctioneer in the sale ring ... or buyer has the right of return .. usually a 24 hour time frame ... with full refund and any expenses incurred by buyer ....
PARROT MOUTH, CRIBBER, EYE PROBLEMS, RIDGLINGS, SPAYED MARES OR WRONG CALL OF GENDER (FEMALE/MALE) ..
Before AQHA got politically correct ... they refused to allow parrot mouth horses to be used as breeding stock due to it being heritable ...
GOOD LUCK .. |
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Location: Alabama | The best horse I have ever swung a leg over is a 14.1h dish faced parrot mouthed gelding. He is 30 years old this year and lives out on a pasture. He is sound, as fat as anything on the place, and gets no special treatment.
He was fancy broke and light in the mouth. Never had any issues packing the bit. We was a rodeo horse and a 1D horse too boot. I would take a barn full just like him in a heartbeat. Parrot mouth does not scare me in the least. |
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Location: The edge of no where | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-12 3:06 AM Cut your losses right now and sell her before you spend money on constant dental work, time and training then being leery of breeding her in the future. There are 7 main things that sales companies require to be called in their catalogue or updated by the auctioneer in the sale ring ... or buyer has the right of return .. usually a 24 hour time frame ... with full refund and any expenses incurred by buyer .... PARROT MOUTH, CRIBBER, EYE PROBLEMS, RIDGLINGS, SPAYED MARES OR WRONG CALL OF GENDER (FEMALE/MALE) .. Before AQHA got politically correct ... they refused to allow parrot mouth horses to be used as breeding stock due to it being heritable ... GOOD LUCK ..
OH GOOD GRIEF.....
They dont' require constant dental work, just a bit more upkeep than other horses. It's not going to affect her performance. No - I wouldn't breed her, but you're being over the top ridiculous (as usual).
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