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| Looking into purchasing a cutting reject as my next barrel prospect. I've had a cowbred horse before and she was tough, gritty and really quick, but she was already patterned when I bought her.
Has anyone had any success with one as a barrel horse? I want to hear it all-the good, bad, ugly, etc.
What were the strengths and weaknesses of bringing one along on the pattern?
Were they easy to pattern and quick to pick it up or did they take time?
Which bloodlines have you had success with/which ones are tough to get along with? I know everyone says Peppy San Badger horses are broncy but all the ones I've rode have been great.
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Location: Borger, Tx | I say yes, yes and yes!!! They are so broke and have already been exposed to so much, easy to pattern etc... I would say the down side is they are so **** smart and at times that can be a curse:) |
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| I love the "reject" cutters it reiners. I have had a few that made great barrel horses. The gelding I have now is by far one of the smartest horses I have ever been around. He is a son of Cat Ichi out of a Smart Little Lena mare. A turning machine and heavy boned. Love him. |
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| Love them!
I had a Yellow Roan of Texas/Doc's Prescription gelding and I loved him. Wasn't an "open caliber" cow horse so he was listed for sale, picked him up from the reiner's barn and he was so simple to pattern and run. I've seen a couple Yellow Roan of Texas horses making super cool barrel horses.
Also had a Mecom Blue/Greys starlight mare who was a reject cutter. She did things on her own time, but was wicked smart and athletic. I lost her to an injury last year. |
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Location: Missouri | I tried out a couple when looking at barrel prospects. I didn't buy because I didn't like the lack of forward motion. I also don't like them to hide their faces. Both of those are hard to re-train for me.
I like a little more feel and impulsion, but that's hard to explain b/c I'm sure others will say they have plenty for their purpose... |
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| I like cutters and reiners. Cutters tend to be almost always PUSH STYLE if you like that. And yep, they are so broke they tend to learn and finish very quickly and are quick little buggers! LOL Reiners are a little different. THey are super super broke and I find they take longer to pattern because they never get used to a set pattern, it varies from show to show so they LISTEN to you SO MUCH. LOl I like a horse that when it knows its job will know what to do despite my little problems of perfect hands and feet etc. Reiners are TO BROKE for me.. lol |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-04-27 8:49 AM
I like cutters and reiners. Cutters tend to be almost always PUSH STYLE if you like that. And yep, they are so broke they tend to learn and finish very quickly and are quick little buggers! LOL Reiners are a little different. THey are super super broke and I find they take longer to pattern because they never get used to a set pattern, it varies from show to show so they LISTEN to you SO MUCH. LOl I like a horse that when it knows its job will know what to do despite my little problems of perfect hands and feet etc. Reiners are TO BROKE for me.. lol
I've only ever really rode push style horses so it's what I'm used to lol! I have a friend who picked up a really nice mare with reining training. For awhile she couldn't get her to turn a barrel without her stopping and spinning on the backside of it. It took her awhile but she's getting the hang of it now. That's why I'm leaning more towards a cutter versus a Reiner! |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-04-27 8:49 AM I like cutters and reiners. Cutters tend to be almost always PUSH STYLE if you like that. And yep, they are so broke they tend to learn and finish very quickly and are quick little buggers! LOL Reiners are a little different. THey are super super broke and I find they take longer to pattern because they never get used to a set pattern, it varies from show to show so they LISTEN to you SO MUCH. LOl I like a horse that when it knows its job will know what to do despite my little problems of perfect hands and feet etc. Reiners are TO BROKE for me.. lol
I agree with the cutters being a push style. Which I like. I feel like you have to drive them all the way in because they are usually really ratey and light |
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| I have a reject I ride and my breeding program is focoused around cutting breed mares.
My reject that I ride I have been on since she was 2 and sent home because she would not make the big 3 year old shows. Ive ridden a lotnif cutters though I used to work with them and bought her when I got married and moved to my own farm.
She is very turny and you have to ride up past the barrel. She sits hard when you go to the horn. She has been tought though that preasure on the horn means to really sit down when she was traning on cattle. Thats the only issue I have ever had with her, I have to stay somewhat forward going into the barrel and not sit until her hip is at it and hang the heck on lol. She gets really low I can not do her justice unless I have spent more time getting my self fit than her. Im acatualy breeding her this year and focousing on her daughter once I am cleared to ride again.
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| heidiinaz - 2016-04-27 10:28 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-27 8:49 AM I like cutters and reiners. Cutters tend to be almost always PUSH STYLE if you like that. And yep, they are so broke they tend to learn and finish very quickly and are quick little buggers! LOL Reiners are a little different. THey are super super broke and I find they take longer to pattern because they never get used to a set pattern, it varies from show to show so they LISTEN to you SO MUCH. LOl I like a horse that when it knows its job will know what to do despite my little problems of perfect hands and feet etc. Reiners are TO BROKE for me.. lol
I agree with the cutters being a push style. Which I like. I feel like you have to drive them all the way in because they are usually really ratey and light
I find mine very free but turns exactly when I sit, like she dose not need pushed at all to the barrel but I have to ride her AT the barrel if that makes sence lol |
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Location: Where the buffalo roam | My older open horse was a reiner. He patterned so easily, but is twice as hot as my race bred horses. I did have to teach him how to turn a circle without always trying to roll back, but it didn't take long and he is a four-wheel drive turner. Actually, he was the hardest horse I have ever trained to get him to lock on to the first barrel. Once he learned how to run, he had no plans on turning at the first barrel, but was always locked on to the 2nd and 3rd. He really didn't consistently start turning it (without a lot of help) until he was 11 or 12 and required the help of a tie down (just during competition). Don't ever let anyone tell you that a horse isn't broke if they have to use a tie down because this horse is broke to death, but when he runs he just needs that little bit of balance to get around the 1st barrel as he runs at it so hard. I'm actually sending my 3 year old to a cutting trainer to put the finish on him because I liked the "super broke" feel.
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| heidiinaz - 2016-04-27 9:25 AM I love the "reject" cutters it reiners. I have had a few that made great barrel horses. The gelding I have now is by far one of the smartest horses I have ever been around. He is a son of Cat Ichi out of a Smart Little Lena mare. A turning machine and heavy boned. Love him.
I've been wanting a cat ichi for a while now. One of the few cutters with bone. |
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| My primary horse is cutting bred - I don't know much of his history to know if he was a "reject" or what happened that he's not in the cutting pen, but I'm glad he found me. He came to me broke as a joke and EASY to pattern. Super smart, super catty.
He is Peppy San Badger bred on the top and bottom. Can he buck? Yes. I let my girth get loose on me once and stepped a little too hard to the outside around the 3rd one night breezing through at home - he promptly broke in half and I hit the ground. I don't hold it against him as I'm pretty sure I had my spur buried in his rib trying to save myself. Under normal conditions he has never offered to put a hoof out of place. Again, came to me broke as they come so I have no idea how he was to ride as a youngster.
My fiancé's good head horse is PSB bred. I know he was a little bit of a stinker in his younger days.
I will say both horses have the same VERY focused gritty attitude and they will work for you all day long. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | I have a reiner. She is the brokest thing ever! Picked up on the pattern immediately! The only problem I had was getting her out of the rocking chair lope. I did a lot of breezing she did not know she could go fast. First time ever entered she won the 4 D with over 200 horses. and in 4 months she went from 4 D to 2 D at big shows. she is little but she has no wasted movement. She does not out run the big horses but she can out turn them in a heartbeat! |
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| Whiteboy - 2016-04-27 11:40 AM heidiinaz - 2016-04-27 9:25 AM I love the "reject" cutters it reiners. I have had a few that made great barrel horses. The gelding I have now is by far one of the smartest horses I have ever been around. He is a son of Cat Ichi out of a Smart Little Lena mare. A turning machine and heavy boned. Love him. I've been wanting a cat ichi for a while now. One of the few cutters with bone.
I agree. Most of the cutters are very light boned. I stumbled upon him and so glad I did. He has huge feet too. Would get another in a heartbeat. |
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Location: Phoenix | Nobody - 2016-04-27 11:37 AM My older open horse was a reiner. He patterned so easily, but is twice as hot as my race bred horses. I did have to teach him how to turn a circle without always trying to roll back, but it didn't take long and he is a four-wheel drive turner. Actually, he was the hardest horse I have ever trained to get him to lock on to the first barrel. Once he learned how to run, he had no plans on turning at the first barrel, but was always locked on to the 2nd and 3rd. He really didn't consistently start turning it (without a lot of help) until he was 11 or 12 and required the help of a tie down (just during competition). Don't ever let anyone tell you that a horse isn't broke if they have to use a tie down because this horse is broke to death, but when he runs he just needs that little bit of balance to get around the 1st barrel as he runs at it so hard. I'm actually sending my 3 year old to a cutting trainer to put the finish on him because I liked the "super broke" feel.
I feel like we have the same horse. My exact story.
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Location: Way up North | I am a big fan! I prefer the cow horses better more because of how they move fits my taste better but I have seen both be successful. I think they take a more aggressive style of rider to keep them driving forward as they feel like they want to draw back in the turns more so they need help that way but they sure don't want to run by. The only draw back is people have figured out how to market and resale the rejects so it is pretty hard to find a good deal. I have been looking for a while but I am being picky.
The Shining Spark horses seem to have some run. I really like the High Brow Cat Horses, they have some moves and feel to them! I am riding my sister's gelding by Quixote Mac out of a daughter of Smart Mate and I would own him if I could, lots of bone and shape and really athletic. I don't personally care for the Pepto horses I have seen but they seem like athletes and can be bigger and quick.
Count me in on the Cat Ichi's too, they are awesome! I have rode two daughter's and really, really liked them. They are really good tempered minds. I just tried a really nice Cat Ichi 3 yr old last night but I really want a 4 yr old so I'm on the fence. Chris Cox has a couple of them I think he is roping on. |
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Location: BRITISH COLUMBIA CANADA | MY CURRENT BARREL HORSE IS A HOLLYWOOD DUN IT GRANDSON AND REINER REJECT. HE WAS ALWAYS TOO HOT FOR THE REINING PEN. HE IS AMAZING ON THE PATTERN AS LONG AS I RIDE HIM PROPERLY, ANY MIS-CUE AND OUR PATTERN SUFFERS, AS HE IS SO BROKE HE REACTS. I WILL SAY HE IS MAKING ME A WAAAAYYY BETTER RIDER. IN THE FUTURE I WILL BE PULLING FROM THE REINING/CUTTING PEN.
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Location: PA | So glad to hear all of these responses! I just bought my first cutter 'reject' and she is so broke! I love that about her! She is on the smaller side though :( She is a gd of Sophisticated Catt. Can't wait to see what we can do together!
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Location: Kansas | My husband's heel horse is a grandson of Highbrow Cat and such a little doll baby.......but although he's stout, at 14.1 I've no desire to ride him at all. Cutters just tend to be little.
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| I ride one. Was trained and shown as a reiner but had too much go for it. She is little, rides and looks like a cowhorse. She is very very ratey, if you are not on top of your game she will hit. She is UNBELIEVABLY athletic and freaky. I bought her for 5k from a reiner and she can clean up in small and as well as super deep pens. She ran .2 off of an American qualifier FINALS horse and rider combo this past summer and has beat 60k horses in small pens. In larger pens she is lower 1D, maybe top 2D with true 1D horses. She is the SOUNDEST thing I own in the barn, and shes barefoot. I firmly believe a lot of the joint and longevity issues comes from breeding for so much speed, we are losing substance. Nothing EVER shows up on thermography, ever! |
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| Just bought a reject cutter about six months ago. All I gotta say is boy is he quick! Like one of the above posters said, I really have to get myself in shape to be able to ride him cause if you're not ready to turn, you're gonna come off. Really like him, super broke and he hunts the barrels like no other horse I've ridden. |
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Location: Moving soon..... | A lot of people do not think that cutters can run, but I have seen quite a few that could and do. |
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| Nobody - 2016-04-27 11:37 AM
My older open horse was a reiner. He patterned so easily, but is twice as hot as my race bred horses. I did have to teach him how to turn a circle without always trying to roll back, but it didn't take long and he is a four-wheel drive turner. Actually, he was the hardest horse I have ever trained to get him to lock on to the first barrel. Once he learned how to run, he had no plans on turning at the first barrel, but was always locked on to the 2nd and 3rd. He really didn't consistently start turning it (without a lot of help) until he was 11 or 12 and required the help of a tie down (just during competition). Don't ever let anyone tell you that a horse isn't broke if they have to use a tie down because this horse is broke to death, but when he runs he just needs that little bit of balance to get around the 1st barrel as he runs at it so hard. I'm actually sending my 3 year old to a cutting trainer to put the finish on him because I liked the "super broke" feel.
This.  My reined cowhorse mare is ridiculously hot and I wasn't so sure she was going to turn the first, but man does she have a LOT of power. She is 18 now and still hasn't slowed down for barrels or poles...but she has learned to walk on a loose rein with barrels up in the arena. Finally. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | Mine is and I love him!! Very quick and catty! I find they are a bit more sensitive but I've learned that I like that kind |
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Location: Nebraska | I've got a little cowbred mare. She's my versatility horse, not a barrel horse, but I can tell you a little bit about her. Peppy Badger Chex+Reminic on top, Doc O'Lena on the bottom. She definitely has a speed limit- I've had to over&under her in practice just to get her to pick up enough speed to execute a good run-down. But she's got a good mind and she's broke.
Her paternal half brother I guess runs at high school rodeos in Oklahoma, and she has a number of successful team penners in her family. That's probably going to be the Peppy San Badger in there- they are quick. The Doc O'Lenas tend to be sweethearts who like to have jobs, but as I said, she has a speed limit that she does not like to go over. |
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| Reined Cow Horses. Will cut, rein, and fence a cow. They have it all. Not a lot of events for them after futurity and derby years. You can go to www.nrcha.com and watch their big events. The Derby is coming up June 13-19th. You are competing with team penners and ropers for cutters. Can find some at www.gotcowhorse.com. |
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| I love them. I know a lot don't because they are usually short. I have had some people say "oh he is so short" but just watch him run and turn. People are funny. I prefer the short horses. And the three that I have had stayed sound. |
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