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| For all buyers beware of sellers drugging horses when you try them. During a vet check get a drug test!
I did not. I recently bought a horse that was drugged when I tried him. Got him home, rode him about a week later (due to all the rain) and he was completely blown up. Defiantly not the horse I tried out! (Seller admitted to the horse being on Reserpine when I messaged her telling what the horse was doing) That was not disclosed to me when I tried him. I've always been 100% honest with buyers........I guess I was a fool to expect the same. |
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| You are not alone ! There are so many people that this happens too . We always request the buyer to do a drug test or at least store blood with vet so if ever a problem we would be clear . Any vet that does a vet check should require a drug test . |
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| Before I even call to go look at a horse I ask the buyer if they have a problem with me pulling blood myself and sending it in for testing. My vet gave me a few blood kits to use when I'm shopping. LOL If I like the horse and purchase that day/take the horse with me, I always have a contract that states I can return and get full refund if blood work is positive.
I pull blood myself because there are vets out there who will work with owners and be just as dishonest unfortunately.
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Location: Oklahoma | I have a buyer vetting my gelding on Saturday. I pull blood once a year for a base on my horses and have provided her already with those results for the vet to compare bloodwork to when pulled this weekend. Dishonest people suck. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-28 11:03 AM Before I even call to go look at a horse I ask the buyer if they have a problem with me pulling blood myself and sending it in for testing. My vet gave me a few blood kits to use when I'm shopping. LOL If I like the horse and purchase that day/take the horse with me, I always have a contract that states I can return and get full refund if blood work is positive. I pull blood myself because there are vets out there who will work with owners and be just as dishonest unfortunately.
Thats just sad and so wrong. I have heard of horses being sold on reserpine and ace, that is the kind os thing that could get someone seriously hurt. So awful that a vet would allow that to fly under the radar. |
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| Thanks for the info. I didn't know vets would give you blood tests to take with you. |
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| Ugg, so sorry. I have never drug tested, guess I have been lucky. All except one of our horses though came from people I knew or had friends who knew them and the horse. Hope you get it worked out. Are you sending him back? |
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| They won't take him back and I can't get them to call me back. What is sad is an NFR qualifier was advertising the horse for the girl. (They all ride together) But from what I've heard that this happens all the time at their place. Looking into getting a lawyer to take my case. I'm not sure if it will be worth the hassle, but I thought i'd try. He's only 7 years old. So any recommendations on how to fix a blown up horse would be appreciated.
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Location: SE KS | GrahamKayleigh - 2016-04-28 2:47 PM
They won't take him back and I can't get them to call me back. What is sad is an NFR qualifier was advertising the horse for the girl. (They all ride together) But from what I've heard that this happens all the time at their place. Looking into getting a lawyer to take my case. I'm not sure if it will be worth the hassle, but I thought i'd try. He's only 7 years old. So any recommendations on how to fix a blown up horse would be appreciated.
Depends on how what he's blown up about, but Ranch work might be a good place for it!! |
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| I had a friend selling a super nice, solid HS rodeo horse. People came to look, tried him out for two days, ran him at a race and horse worked great and really took care of the girl. Said they were likely going to buy him but had one more to look at. They tried the other horse, had it drug tested as seller is a known horse trader. Tested positive for fluphenazine (sp?). People bought the drugged horse anyway, because it was such a pretty grey. Shook my head over that one! So sorry this happened to you. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | brlraceaddict - 2016-04-28 3:58 PM I had a friend selling a super nice, solid HS rodeo horse. People came to look, tried him out for two days, ran him at a race and horse worked great and really took care of the girl. Said they were likely going to buy him but had one more to look at. They tried the other horse, had it drug tested as seller is a known horse trader. Tested positive for fluphenazine (sp?). People bought the drugged horse anyway, because it was such a pretty grey. Shook my head over that one! So sorry this happened to you.
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Location: California | I agree the blood would need to be pulled at the time of trying the horse. Purchase exams are often done later and it is possible for some drugs to be out by then. I have purchased 2 that I believe were drugged. The one was a cheap ex race horse and I didn't have much into him and was able to find him a new home. The other was a higher dollar barrel horse that was completely blown up/insane once I brought him home and worked him. Took me years to fix him and a lot of vet work. Never got him to the caliber horse that I wanted but I was able to sell him for what I paid for him (still lost all the investment in him after the purchase price). I think I was lucky there though.
I've also done the vein test where I act like I am going to draw blood or inject a horse in the neck vein and see how they react. I know its not full proof but there are definitely some horses that "have never had anything" that know what pressure on the vein means!
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| GrahamKayleigh - 2016-04-28 2:47 PM
They won't take him back and I can't get them to call me back. What is sad is an NFR qualifier was advertising the horse for the girl. (They all ride together) But from what I've heard that this happens all the time at their place. Looking into getting a lawyer to take my case. I'm not sure if it will be worth the hassle, but I thought i'd try. He's only 7 years old. So any recommendations on how to fix a blown up horse would be appreciated.
Send him to me  Blown up horses seem to gravitate to me ! |
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Location: Sunnyland Florida | Barnmom - 2016-04-28 12:43 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-04-28 11:03 AM Before I even call to go look at a horse I ask the buyer if they have a problem with me pulling blood myself and sending it in for testing. My vet gave me a few blood kits to use when I'm shopping. LOL If I like the horse and purchase that day/take the horse with me, I always have a contract that states I can return and get full refund if blood work is positive. I pull blood myself because there are vets out there who will work with owners and be just as dishonest unfortunately. Thats just sad and so wrong. I have heard of horses being sold on reserpine and ace, that is the kind os thing that could get someone seriously hurt. So awful that a vet would allow that to fly under the radar.
Unfortunately, lots of barrel horses live on resurpine (spelling?) & other drugs. Drug test always!
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| I believe my gelding was drugged when I tried him out. Two days after I purchased him (so 3 days after first test riding him), he came up two legged lame. When I first tried him , he had gorgeous gaits, moved out or collected when asked. Now he has issues trotting in his pasture. Since then its been ongoing issues with lameness and back issues. Comparing videos from first trying him to now, I'm almost 100% positive that he had something in him when I rode him. But I'm not willing to sell him, and lawyers are too expensive. What drugs could they have given your guy to make him act like that? |
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| If he was on reserpine he wouldn't come undone in one week. Its a long lasting tranq, I think up to 90 days. maybe it's because the horse is in a new place. |
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Location: The edge of no where | mollibtexan - 2016-04-28 5:15 PM I don't see reserpine being gone in one week. Maybe a mixture with another drug. If you liked the horse ask her what she had given him.
I'd have to agree. What else changed in the horse's enviroment? With all the rain, it's been hard on everyone to ride regularly. Did he get any exercise during this time?
I'd be more inclined to blame change in diet, lack of activity, new place & rider for these kind of changes over a week's time than being on reserpine. (Not excusing her for not telling you the horse was on it, but it doesn't sound like it could solely be the problem.) |
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| yes the horse should have been sold with the knowledge that it required Reserpine. I'm sure every barrel racing horse person aren't without their own medications they live on some horses are the same. While many horses that run on sedations are doing so bc they are acting up bc of some unfound pain. Sedations can often get a horse thru a bad problem fix and them come back saner on the other side not having to have medication. Give her another shot and see if you can't work out why she was on the med to begin with. Perhaps with settling into her new home, she will relax being with you! |
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| When the owner admitted to him being on reserpine, she also said he was due for another shot. We have done a little experiment riding him without anything then (same day) giving him 1.5ccs of Guanabenz and waiting about 45 mins later. Without any meds he was blown up (rearing, lunging and trying to run away from any barrel I pointed him to......I remind you I was trying to walk only. So after Guanabenz and 45 mins later he was the exact horse I tried.....calm walking but still a little nervous but nothing I didn't see when I tried him.
Yes I think he was on something other than Reserpine when I tried him. I've been giving him Guanabenz every time I've rode him lately and he's been a peach! I also changed him to the left and he is a lot more relaxed. So there's hope! I'm hoping one day he won't need any drugs......
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Location: Being pushed over the edge, NM | *That much* of a behavior difference I'd be leaning towards ulcers, pinching tack, and pain. A lot can happen even on a trailer ride home, I'd spend the money and have your vet check every tooth, break out the hoof testers, flexion test everything, look for soft tissue soreness.
"Easy" things like loping a straight line, trotting straight lines, backing up straight, under saddle - how does he do? Will he lope simple circles or is it a battle? (With the barrels out of the picture)
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| Vanessa - 2016-05-02 9:08 AM
*That much* of a behavior difference I'd be leaning towards ulcers, pinching tack, and pain. A lot can happen even on a trailer ride home, I'd spend the money and have your vet check every tooth, break out the hoof testers, flexion test everything, look for soft tissue soreness.
"Easy" things like loping a straight line, trotting straight lines, backing up straight, under saddle - how does he do? Will he lope simple circles or is it a battle? (With the barrels out of the picture)
He's fine without barrels.....a little high strung but nothing dangerous. He did good when I hauled him away from home (without drugs) he never reared or tried to run off. He seems so far worse at home. |
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Location: Being pushed over the edge, NM | mollibtexan - 2016-05-02 7:14 AM Ride him on ace not quanabenz everyday. Just give him the reserpine. I doubt given he is older and been given reserpine you will be able to eventually go without. I do not understand this "drug free" thing. This is a high pressure sport. Lots of pressure is placed upon our horses. If giving them something to help ease their mind., prevent stress which cause ulcers, and yes as you said help where they don't need anything bc they have been conditioned with a drug to know performing is not stressful and be drug free. Give the shot of reserpine. Message me if you want more info how to manage this horses stress more effectively.
Agreed.
The seller should have been honest and up front that the horse functions better on a drug, instead of being shady and letting the horse go off his meds. It's just like a human who is doing well on their anti-depressant and then cold turkeys' it.... they start feeling sick and acting it. I'd have the horse back on the meds that were working. |
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| mollibtexan - 2016-05-02 9:14 AM
Ride him on ace not quanabenz everyday. Just give him the reserpine. I doubt given he is older and been given reserpine you will be able to eventually go without. I do not understand this "drug free" thing. This is a high pressure sport. Lots of pressure is placed upon our horses. If giving them something to help ease their mind., prevent stress which cause ulcers, and yes as you said help where they don't need anything bc they have been conditioned with a drug to know performing is not stressful and be drug free. Give the shot of reserpine. Message me if you want more info how to manage this horses stress more effectively.
Thanks. I ordered Reserpine today.
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | First thing I would do is TREAT for ulcers. Not omeprazole - as it doesn't actually heal them. After you treat, then put him on an ulcer preventative and see if you can reduce use of the other drugs. It will definitely help. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | JLBerry - 2016-05-03 7:47 AM First thing I would do is TREAT for ulcers. Not omeprazole - as it doesn't actually heal them.
Whatchu talking about willis?
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | 1DSoon - 2016-05-03 7:08 AM
JLBerry - 2016-05-03 7:47 AM First thing I would do is TREAT for ulcers. Not omeprazole - as it doesn't actually heal them. Whatchu talking about willis?
All omeprazole does is stop the acid production in the stomach. As soon as you take them off of it, the acid resumes. Also its hard on their liver, kidneys etc. |
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| JLBerry - 2016-05-03 7:19 AM
1DSoon - 2016-05-03 7:08 AM
JLBerry - 2016-05-03 7:47 AM First thing I would do is TREAT for ulcers. Not omeprazole - as it doesn't actually heal them. Whatchu talking about willis?
All omeprazole does is stop the acid production in the stomach. As soon as you take them off of it, the acid resumes. Also its hard on their liver, kidneys etc.
Drugging them the rest of their lives is also hard on their kidneys and liver. How could it not be?!?! I'm old school I guess but I've never given my young ones or older horses drugs to calm them. This is all new to me. What I thought wasn't common seems to be very common now.....
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | GrahamKayleigh - 2016-05-03 9:58 AM
JLBerry - 2016-05-03 7:19 AM
1DSoon - 2016-05-03 7:08 AM
JLBerry - 2016-05-03 7:47 AM First thing I would do is TREAT for ulcers. Not omeprazole - as it doesn't actually heal them. Whatchu talking about willis?
All omeprazole does is stop the acid production in the stomach. As soon as you take them off of it, the acid resumes. Also its hard on their liver, kidneys etc.
Drugging them the rest of their lives is also hard on their kidneys and liver. How could it not be?!?! I'm old school I guess but I've never given my young ones or older horses drugs to calm them. This is all new to me. What I thought wasn't common seems to be very common now.....
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| Barrel racing world has gotten out of control with the drugs, as only discipline that is not tested for drugs with exception of the pro rodeos. We actually need more horseman in the business, and less drugs. JMO |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | JLBerry - 2016-05-03 7:19 AM
1DSoon - 2016-05-03 7:08 AM
JLBerry - 2016-05-03 7:47 AM First thing I would do is TREAT for ulcers. Not omeprazole - as it doesn't actually heal them. Whatchu talking about willis?
All omeprazole does is stop the acid production in the stomach. As soon as you take them off of it, the acid resumes. Also its hard on their liver, kidneys etc.
Ummm Omeprazole is the ONE THING absolutely scientifically proven to cure them. It stops acid production and allows the stomach time to heal. Then you take them off Omeprazole and can put them on a preventative like Ranitidine and probiotics or prebiotic supplements. Some people use aloe vera and other natural substances as preventatives. |
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| Elmer fud I am with you !!! Even the WPRA has stepped up and are doing some drug test . It will never happen in futurities as the trainers run the show , VERY SAD ! |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Alittlelost - 2016-05-03 12:35 PM Elmer fud I am with you !!! Even the WPRA has stepped up and are doing some drug test . It will never happen in futurities as the trainers run the show , VERY SAD !
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