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Location: Ohio | Need your insight!!!! With all that is happening this past month with one of my horses along with other things to in general. What feed do you use? I am looking for a low carb sugar feed to review with my vet! If you have had issues with a certain type please share! |
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Location: West Texas | With the choices list, I would probably choose Ultium, cost and other factors not considered.
I do have a question, what do you consider low carb and why are you looking for low carb. I assume this is for competition barrel horses. |
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| If I had to pick one from your list it would probably be the ultium. It is LOWER carb and sugar than SOME but is certainly not "Low". I try and keep it molasses free but my off the track youngster was fed so much CANDY ( Ie, 10 -12 pounds a DAY of Purina Omelene 200) that now he really doesn't like anything without molasses. Whole grain diet made him nuts, Ultium made him nuts, so I feed a local milled feed that is 11% NSC with out molasses and 15% with. SOOOOOO I mix half and half and he eats it right up. LOL His attitude and demeanor have calmed down SO MUCH since I have had him on this mix. Its 7% fat. THey look and feel amazing. |
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Location: Ohio | I have had horses with founder and you want this type of diet my barn is split from morgans and qh barrel horses so we put them all on the same diet you can add whatever feed you want to the poll thank you! |
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Location: OH. IO | Tribute.we actually love kalm ultra.this feed is in your area at 17.00 a bag.we will never change feeds.it is also made in a clean mill.no tocins no cattle feeds.equine only facility. |
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Location: Texas | Do you have Omni performance cubes in your area? |
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Location: Florida.. | BobbieL - 2016-04-29 9:19 PM Do you have Omni performance cubes in your area?
I doubt the whole barn will be put on these.. they are good but it has to be a whole barns diet.boarders I assume to and I just dont see it happeneing.lol.. alot of owners dont think horses can survive with out grain.lol. |
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| I love tribute feeds clean milled and they are excellent to deal with . You can give them a call and they will go over anything you want to with you. |
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Location: Salem Ky | Just switched my horses over to Tribute Calm and Ease. After seeing a horse I sold, gain weight after two weeks of being on it. I tried several types of feed on him, oil, etc, etc. With no real luck.
Had a mare who lost just a bit of weight, cause she would rather eat grass that is a 1/2" tall, then eat hay. In two weeks on Tribute, she is back up to her good weight. I now have her on 2lbs of Tribute. It is $15 something a bag here. I think it is worth it.
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Location: In my own world | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-29 2:02 PM If I had to pick one from your list it would probably be the ultium. It is LOWER carb and sugar than SOME but is certainly not "Low". I try and keep it molasses free but my off the track youngster was fed so much CANDY ( Ie, 10 -12 pounds a DAY of Purina Omelene 200) that now he really doesn't like anything without molasses. Whole grain diet made him nuts, Ultium made him nuts, so I feed a local milled feed that is 11% NSC with out molasses and 15% with. SOOOOOO I mix half and half and he eats it right up. LOL His attitude and demeanor have calmed down SO MUCH since I have had him on this mix. Its 7% fat. THey look and feel amazing.
Have you tried Purina Strategy Healthy Edge? It's high fat but no molasses. It's kind of a step down from Ultium. It not far. One that I had that was kind of spunky on Ultium was fine on HE |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Love the Bluebonnets Horsemans Elite pellets and Equilene pellets.. |
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We feed Legends Carbcare pellets. We love it and the horses look fantastic on it.
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| livinonlove&horses - 2016-05-01 10:51 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-29 2:02 PM If I had to pick one from your list it would probably be the ultium. It is LOWER carb and sugar than SOME but is certainly not "Low". I try and keep it molasses free but my off the track youngster was fed so much CANDY ( Ie, 10 -12 pounds a DAY of Purina Omelene 200) that now he really doesn't like anything without molasses. Whole grain diet made him nuts, Ultium made him nuts, so I feed a local milled feed that is 11% NSC with out molasses and 15% with. SOOOOOO I mix half and half and he eats it right up. LOL His attitude and demeanor have calmed down SO MUCH since I have had him on this mix. Its 7% fat. THey look and feel amazing.
Have you tried Purina Strategy Healthy Edge? It's high fat but no molasses. It's kind of a step down from Ultium. It not far. One that I had that was kind of spunky on Ultium was fine on HE
I hadn't tried it. I think I saw it at tractor supply. I am actually going to give the Renew Gold another try. I used it before and didn't see the results and my horses did not do well on it. But now that their hind gut is working better and I finally found a great source of good alfalfa I picked up 2 bags today. Going to give it a month. Then if it doesn't work I will try healthy edge. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | Renew Gold is awesome. Very low starch and no molasses at all. |
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Location: Ohio | So,do you top dress with renew gold? Or only feed this |
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Location: CTX | cowgirlup73 - 2016-05-01 5:48 PM So,do you top dress with renew gold? Or only feed this
I only feed RG to my young crowd. The old girl gets purina sr.
I feef my yearling 6oz and the 7 and 8 year old 8oz per feeding. I do add Omnis cubes to it, but that is the only grain they get. |
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| There KISS method is the best thing you can do for your horse. Keep it natural. I feed Steam Rolled Oats, Alfalfa Pellets and 1/2 pound of Renew Gold. I add Vitalize High Performance. |
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| livinonlove&horses - 2016-05-01 12:51 PM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-29 2:02 PM If I had to pick one from your list it would probably be the ultium. It is LOWER carb and sugar than SOME but is certainly not "Low". I try and keep it molasses free but my off the track youngster was fed so much CANDY ( Ie, 10 -12 pounds a DAY of Purina Omelene 200) that now he really doesn't like anything without molasses. Whole grain diet made him nuts, Ultium made him nuts, so I feed a local milled feed that is 11% NSC with out molasses and 15% with. SOOOOOO I mix half and half and he eats it right up. LOL His attitude and demeanor have calmed down SO MUCH since I have had him on this mix. Its 7% fat. THey look and feel amazing.
Have you tried Purina Strategy Healthy Edge? It's high fat but no molasses. It's kind of a step down from Ultium. It not far. One that I had that was kind of spunky on Ultium was fine on HE
I feed the healthy edge... But very moist and tends to clump.. I'm making the switch over to blue bonnet. |
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| My main reason for giving the RG another try is I believe one of my horses is very sensitive to Molasses/Starch. He did good on the whole grain diet (Oats/Barley/Rice bran) but didn't look like I wanted him to. I went to a nice low starch, locally safe milled feed that is 15% NSC. THey look outstanding but one of mine is kind of showing ulcer sensitivity now. BUT, with curost I have got my horses hind guts working good SO I am going to give RG a try again. Its readily available here in CA so I really hope it works. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | cowgirlup73 - 2016-05-01 5:48 PM
So,do you top dress with renew gold? Or only feed this
I feed just renew with quality alfalfa. Its all mine need. I feed it to everyone from weanlings to my seniors. They all thrive on it. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-05-01 10:09 PM
My main reason for giving the RG another try is I believe one of my horses is very sensitive to Molasses/Starch. He did good on the whole grain diet (Oats/Barley/Rice bran) but didn't look like I wanted him to. I went to a nice low starch, locally safe milled feed that is 15% NSC. THey look outstanding but one of mine is kind of showing ulcer sensitivity now. BUT, with curost I have got my horses hind guts working good SO I am going to give RG a try again. Its readily available here in CA so I really hope it works.
Be careful when feeding just renew gold and alfalfa. Both are high in Protein. You can get your horse in trouble with too high of protein. That is why I mix mine with oats and alfalfa pellets. Then I add Vitalize High Performance and Equine Regen. All then all you need is a joint supplement. I use Polyglycan.
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Location: Montana | Progressive all the way. I can't imagine a better feed. As my farrier said last night, "That's all that works."
I've tried several others. Buckeye and Woody's are okay too. But we feed several fast-growing, closely related young horses every year. You can't believe the difference Progressive makes. They have good stuff for other types of horses too. |
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Location: Ohio | I have 2 morgans, 9,18, 2 QH, 7, 16,16 and a paint 19... I have a variety in my barn we used the low starch feeds due to founder prone in morgans and my one QH gets seedy toe once in a while.
Looking for all around feed, we are loosing weight on 2 of them the youngest and oldest believe it or not.
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| I read the posts and wondered if anyone has ever had a chemistry class or looked at nutrition values of whole feeds while reading about the latest fads of feeding low carb feeds and other nonsense ...
Proteins, carbs, hay or whatever you feed all gets processed into sucrose in order for the body to use it ... if out of balance vs exercise then you or your horse gets obese, system out of whack, lazy, sore or out of energy when you walk to the fridge for another ice cream bar .. lol .. same for horses..
If you and I along with our horses simplified our foods ... we would all like each other a lot more ... lol
I did a copy/paste on a post I put on another thread ... just some common sense from a simple mind ...
HELLO BHW ..
I don't care what brand of feed you are feeding ... read the ingredients and count how many you can't pronounce ... this is a red flag to me!! There are so many human food processing and ethanol trash items being added to horse feeds to increase the profits of the feed companies.
This is the reason I went back to all natural grains that contain the base nutrients for all horses for 100's of years with great success!!
Then added minerals and vitamins just like you do for yourself and your kids.
Horse's teeth are bone and constantly growing .. so the more chewing they do ... keeps them worn down from their chewing activity which pellets do not supply. Which also means they are not gulping their food ... walk down your alleyway and look at the happy faces when feeding whole grains.
I look at horse feed the same as I look at my own food... if there is no chewing, crunching or snap crackle and pop ... lol .... it is over processed and lost most of its nutrient value. Heat destroys nutrients, vitamins and minerals and pellets are heated to be formed and most have gluten to hold the pellet together.
Whole oats, alfalfa, corn and good hay creates saliva which is the start of digestion in a horse. Try eating a box of party crackers with nothing to drink and feel your saliva glands kick in ... then go get you a beer.. lol
We all love the taste of orange juice ... look at your carton and explain to me ... why they concentrate it which takes heat which kills all the nutrients, filter out all the pulp which is good nutritious fiber, grind some of the peel to bring back the orange flavor and smell and then come back and add processed water and then add processed vitamin C to sell it to me and you.. lol
After coming to my senses on the high price of feeds with trash added to them and the continuous high dollar advertising I was paying for ... I looked at the needs of my horses and changed back to whole oats, alfalfa, corn, good hay and a well made vitamin mineral supplement like GroStrong .......... my horses have never looked better, foals strong and stout at birthing and grow like weeds as they get old enough to share Mom's dinner ....
YEP .. it makes me happy to see everyone fat, sassy, shiny with big growthy babies ... just by me returning to being simple minded ... lol
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Location: Florida.. | I can agree wth your diet but the corn, I prefer to pass on that.
want to add for a healthy horse without strict diets.. i forgot to say that. 
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Location: Ohio | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-03 4:09 PM I read the posts and wondered if anyone has ever had a chemistry class or looked at nutrition values of whole feeds while reading about the latest fads of feeding low carb feeds and other nonsense ... Proteins, carbs, hay or whatever you feed all gets processed into sucrose in order for the body to use it ... if out of balance vs exercise then you or your horse gets obese, system out of whack, lazy, sore or out of energy when you walk to the fridge for another ice cream bar .. lol .. same for horses.. If you and I along with our horses simplified our foods ... we would all like each other a lot more ... lol I did a copy/paste on a post I put on another thread ... just some common sense from a simple mind ... HELLO BHW .. I don't care what brand of feed you are feeding ... read the ingredients and count how many you can't pronounce ... this is a red flag to me!! There are so many human food processing and ethanol trash items being added to horse feeds to increase the profits of the feed companies. This is the reason I went back to all natural grains that contain the base nutrients for all horses for 100's of years with great success!! Then added minerals and vitamins just like you do for yourself and your kids. Horse's teeth are bone and constantly growing .. so the more chewing they do ... keeps them worn down from their chewing activity which pellets do not supply. Which also means they are not gulping their food ... walk down your alleyway and look at the happy faces when feeding whole grains. I look at horse feed the same as I look at my own food... if there is no chewing, crunching or snap crackle and pop ... lol .... it is over processed and lost most of its nutrient value. Heat destroys nutrients, vitamins and minerals and pellets are heated to be formed and most have gluten to hold the pellet together. Whole oats, alfalfa, corn and good hay creates saliva which is the start of digestion in a horse. Try eating a box of party crackers with nothing to drink and feel your saliva glands kick in ... then go get you a beer.. lol We all love the taste of orange juice ... look at your carton and explain to me ... why they concentrate it which takes heat which kills all the nutrients, filter out all the pulp which is good nutritious fiber, grind some of the peel to bring back the orange flavor and smell and then come back and add processed water and then add processed vitamin C to sell it to me and you.. lol After coming to my senses on the high price of feeds with trash added to them and the continuous high dollar advertising I was paying for ... I looked at the needs of my horses and changed back to whole oats, alfalfa, corn, good hay and a well made vitamin mineral supplement like GroStrong .......... my horses have never looked better, foals strong and stout at birthing and grow like weeds as they get old enough to share Mom's dinner .... YEP .. it makes me happy to see everyone fat, sassy, shiny with big growthy babies ... just by me returning to being simple minded ... lol
Thank you for your insight my on mare was on oats when she foundered, with the help with some great people we found the right solution and yes it was a low carb sugar feed along with Mickey of Silver Lining! That is when we moved away from the simple feed for a horse. I am now dealing with a new issue in a different horse and Oats will not work with the diet plan that she will need.
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Location: West Texas | If you are not already feeding alfalfa, that would be a good low carb inclusion in the diet. It will really help all of them keep better weight. A good cube or pellet can be a good choice. Then you might just add a couple lbs of a fat supplement.
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10 lbs. good grass hay
10 lbs alfalfa cube
2-3 lbs of Renew Gold (various products in this category)
This would be a good low carb formulation that could be fed to everybody. Just a suggestion or other route you might consider. As far as oats go, there are some horses that can't have them, for various reasons. Even then, it is often times not black and white as some feeds or rations with oats included can be as low as some "low carb" feeds. In that instance, you would be looking for a really low carb ration, for a very statistically rare horse (PSSM, Cushings, etc.). I would consider them to have a defective digestive system. If that is what you have then of course that is what you have. Good luck
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