Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-30 5:43 PM Hummm, is this legal, saw a ad for a filly,,,,, Random draw 100.00 a spot. Never seem a ad like this one befor is the Facebook stuff bleeding over here to our ads , just wondering so please dont flame me for asking  

NJJ - 2016-04-30 5:48 PM I would PM the Forum Admin with the Ad number........ I would not think it was legal.

jake16 - 2016-04-30 6:17 PM You and I need facebook for dummies updates so we know whats going on in the real world lololol.

streakysox - 2016-04-30 6:29 PM So you pay $100 for a spot then have to wait until all 100 spots are filled. Hmmmm that might take awhile. In the meantime this two year old barrel horse is blown up or dies then what happens????? The US Postal Service monitors the internet for fraud regularly. This might be a case.

SKM - 2016-04-30 8:10 PM I just saw the ad. No, it's not legal. This was taken from a State Of FL document about if raffles are legal: fundraising is critical to the success of charities and other nonprofits. Games of chance, such as lotteries and raffles, can be an easy way to entice potential donors by offering the prospect of winning a prize. However, most lotteries and raffles are considered gambling and are illegal in Florida. But, the state has carved out an exception for qualifying nonprofits, provided specific rules are followed and no fees are required to participate. Even with this exception, however, nonprofit organizations must still comply with all state and federal laws governing the solicitation of funds.

Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-30 9:40 PM


How in the heck are these people getting away with doing this, they already have tickets sold? I just dont understand how the law dont get wind of this. You would think someone would turn them in.  

SKM - 2016-05-01 10:12 AM They're getting away with it because: A) They see well known trainers doing it and think "if so-n-so does it, then it must be okay since the have to know what they are doing". B) They just don't care and the people bidding just don't care either. They'll do it until they get in trouble. C) They simply haven't been caught yet. As out of control as the horse people are getting with this new form of peddling horses, it's just a matter of time before the powers that be catch wind of it and start fining people. Or they will tighten the laws and make it more difficult to sell horses since the industry will be on their watch list.

swd - 2016-05-01 5:06 PM I thought it was weird that my feed was full of these "raffles" which had a "buy it now" option. If someome came along and bought the horse them everyone who bought a ticket would get refunded.  I am against this form of marketing. For one, the horse usually isnt worth the total amount of raffle money. Second, who is monitoring the "drawing"? Seems like a scam to me.

cranky B4 10am - 2016-05-01 6:46 PM Yup, all you have to do is have someone buy the horse outright, but still sell all the tickets... of course you have a buddy buy 1 ticket and they "win" the horse and maybe get the $$ back, or get part of the loot.....

Could also be an easy way to get rid of an unsound horse, or one that is dangerous, or maybe just a dink...

This would absolutely not be someone I would like to do bussiness with....  

barlracr429 - 2016-05-01 8:48 PM The people who 'buy' a spot, don't pay for their spot until all spots are filled by people who have committed to a spot in the random draw. Once the spots are filled, the buy it now option is gone.  the seller waits until all the spots are committed to, then collects the moeny form everybody via paypal and then they go to random.org and put in the number range and the computer generates a number. Whoever bought that number is the winner.  At the time of committing to your spot, you can pick the number you want or tell the seller to give you any spot.  

There has been a Random Draw Tack page on fb for a long time, where people sell stuff from bell boots, to pads, to saddles, to magentic blankets to tack sets to horse trailers. For the most part, the page runs very smoothly. But lately people were flooding the page with trying to sell their horse this way, where the spots cost $25-100.  The admin of the page put a stop to it and said no live animals.

I know a lot of people go on and on about it being illegal or not being right, but I wonder if those people have ever driven over the speed limit, because that is illegal also.  I figure if you don't like it, then don't participate or worry about what others are doing.  Personally I'd never buy or sell a horse this way, but I might take my chance at winning a $500 tack set for a $10 spot.

 

NJJ - 2016-05-02 8:21 AM If Random Draw Tack group is so honest then why was there a discussion in one of the groups yesterday about the SAME girl winning FIVE times in the same month....No one is THAT lucky.  

NJJ - 2016-05-02 10:23 AM Hmmmmm? If this group in on the "up and up"....why has it NOW been changed to "secret" on FaceBook......HUGE "Red Flag" to me !!!!! 

cowgalsissy - 2016-05-02 10:52 AM Im not too good at math but 100 tickets at $100 means that pony is worth some mulla..... 



This is a good idea for those who cant sell the horse for $3,500  but can sell 100 tickets for $50 and make more.





 

cowgalsissy - 2016-05-02 11:52 AM Im not too good at math but 100 tickets at $100 means that pony is worth some mulla..... 



This is a good idea for those who cant sell the horse for $3,500  but can sell 100 tickets for $50 and make more.





 

NJJ - 2016-05-02 11:00 AM And there is a "SUCKER" born every day !!!

Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-30 10:40 PM How in the heck are these people getting away with doing this, they already have tickets sold? I just dont understand how the law dont get wind of this. You would think someone would turn them in.  

Red Raider - 2016-05-02 12:23 PM It's not that easy to prosecute one of these things.  State prosecutors would not have jurisdiction over all the parties and so it would have to be in violation of federal law and would be up to federal prosecutors to look into.  In order to make a case, you would have to have proof of when each person (if it was that person or someone else logging on under their name) made a purchase, how it was made, who received it, where this all occurred and what benefit was exchanged if any.  In a 100 spot raffle, you'd have to figure that out 100 times plus the people putting it all on -- all in cyberspace.  That's why no local prosecutor can do much -- possibly other than busting a raffle starter -- but then again, you have to prove that it happened in your county which isn't always easy with online stuff.  Much of federal anti-gambling/gaming law depends on state law and whether or not an act is allowed in one jurisdiction over another when it comes to prosecuting.  Add that into the mix and it's easy to see why more are not looked into versus other concerns that the feds prosecute.   

 

Mighty Broke - 2016-05-02 11:30 AM Valid Points---they probably have bigger fish to fry than worrying about this.

NJJ - 2016-05-02 8:21 AM If Random Draw Tack group is so honest then why was there a discussion in one of the groups yesterday about the SAME girl winning FIVE times in the same month....No one is THAT lucky.  

LAC - 2016-05-02 10:06 AM Reminds me of this joke: Young Chuck moved to Montana and bought a horse from a farmer for $100.00. The farmer agreed to deliver the horse the next day. The next Day he drove up and said, "Sorry, Son, but I have some bad news, The horse died." Chuck replied, "Well, then just give me my money back." The farmer said, "Can't do that. I went and spent it already." Chuck said, "Ok, then, just bring me the dead horse." The farmer asked, "What ya gonna do with him?" Chuck said, "I'm going to raffle him off." The farmer said, "You can't raffle off a dead horse!" Chuck said, "Sure I can. Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead." A month later, the farmer met up with Chuck and asked, "What happened With that dead horse?" Chuck said, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a Piece and made a net profit of $898.00." The farmer said, "Didn't anyone complain?" Chuck said, "Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back." Chuck grew up and now works for the government.

barrelrider - 2016-05-02 10:45 AM

On the facebook page, you can buy a random number for almost anything. I hadn't seen this before this weekend. (Guess I'm behind. LOL!) I first saw a lady that sells "kid friendly rodeo horses" put her daughter's $45,000 horse on the page and start selling spots.

Griz - 2016-05-04 5:37 AM Isn't this sort of the SAME thing? This has been around for YEARS. http://www.crankyape.com/

hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-04 10:36 AM I attempted to list a beaded draw gag headstall, nobody bought a spot HA!



But saw an ad on facebook for a "pro" horse that they wanted $200 a spot, at 200 spots which equals out to be $40,000. Plus I've seen several more people posting grade junky looking horses and wanting pretty much $10,000 after it's all said and done lol.

 

Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-04 10:32 AM


That looks like more of a auction, you just send in a bid. But the ad had buy a random spot for 100 dollars you can buy as many as you like and you send them the money and hope that the spot are spots you picked will be the winner. 

Griz - 2016-05-04 6:37 AM Isn't this sort of the SAME thing? This has been around for YEARS. http://www.crankyape.com/

Griz - 2016-05-04 11:01 AM Yeah, you're right, the cranky ape is more of an auction. When you buy a "spot" on the other ad types, how do you know what "spot" you buy? Are they numbered or something and then do they draw somehow for the winner? (As you can see, I am totally lost here)!

ccarpe18 - 2016-05-05 10:24 AM Finally saw one of these "raffles" listed on FB. Listed as 2016 "Dash for Cash foals" $50 per spot with 100 spots to fill.  

hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-05 8:32 AM I saw that one too, beware of that seller at all costs. She had an ad up here on BHW for a weanling with one name, yet she has another name on facebook. 

vjls - 2016-05-02 11:44 AM

i contacted my lawyer today

to see if i could do this with my farm  have not heard back 

BigStarBound - 2016-05-05 3:50 PM Someone did something similar with a farm before, you may have seen the ad because it gained a lot of popularity. I believe it was in SC but don't quote me on that! It was a few years ago. What they did though, was hold an essay contest. I believe the entry fee was only $30 and open to anyone over the age of 18. You had a few essay topics to choose from, all farming related, and months to enter. They had thousands of entries, and eventually selected a winner of the entire property. This may be a legal loop hole, just something to think about. However, I feel much differently about this being done with a living breathing animal. As far as the OP, yes the ad was illegal. I am friends with this seller on Facebook and once enough people brought it to his attention he deleted the ad. He did not start accepting payments yet though, so no money had to be refunded and no harm was done. I am happy to see these ridiculous ads beginning to get nipped in the butt. I posted a couple responses on a similar thread on here, "latest selling trend", about how easily these can be complete scams. It is also despicable to me that someone would let their horse fall into the hands of whoever paypal'd over $50-$200 on a whim. Who knows if they are a good fit, what their intentions are with the horse, and when something doesn't work out what they'll do with a horse they have such little invested in.

Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-05 5:57 PM


Is this the first horse that your FB friend tryed doing the random draw thing on?
I just dont understand how someone could just let their horse go knowing that this person that won the draw may not know jack squat about horses and may not even have a place for this horse. Just so sad on the horses part if they fall into the wrong hands like many of them do even with someone that knows better.