|
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 326
 
| Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. | |
| | |
 Undercover Amish Mafia Member
Posts: 9991
  
Location: Kansas |  | |
| | |
 Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2016/02/27/40-reasons-no...
This guy did it better. | |
| | |
 Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | Pretty simple really---he is not one of the "Good Ole Boy" political insiders and they--politicians, lobbyist are scared to death that he is gonna rock the boat that has been making them rich. It drives them crazy that he may become President and not be beholden to ANYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
| | |
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 326
| I'm not trying to start a political fight, I just want to know what is wrong with his policies? As far Hillary Clinton I understand why people oppose her. | |
| | |
 Expert
Posts: 5290
| Mighty Broke - 2016-05-02 11:31 AM
Pretty simple really---he is not one of the "Good Ole Boy" political insiders and they--politicians, lobbyist are scared to death that he is gonna rock the boat that has been making them rich. It drives them crazy that he may become President and not be beholden to ANYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 And they are comparing him to Hitler and being racist. So far all he has done is say ILLEGAL immigration will stop, social services /welfare to ILLEGALS will stop, Medical care to ILLEGALS will stop. He clearly states that anyone can come here LEGALLY. And he wants to get rid of the rule where if you give birth here the baby is automatically a citizen and marrying a US citizen allows you to bypass the immigration process. I am sure this thread will take off on its own, but SO FAR, he still has my vote. | |
| | |
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 407
| " and marrying a US citizen allows you to bypass the immigration process"
Marrying an US citizen doesn't allow you to bypass the immigration process, I assure you! 
Edited by love2ridepre 2016-05-02 1:46 PM
| |
| | |
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 326
| I guess why are the American people are opposing him? I think that is a good thing that he not part of these Washington crooks. I hope they don't try to shoot him! What's wrong with keeping our constitution? Please explain "The New World Order".
Edited by LP22654 2016-05-02 1:49 PM
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | Let's try again shall we.
40 Reasons Not To Vote For Donald Trump
1) Trump has favorability ratings that make him unelectable: The American public is very familiar with Donald Trump and people hate his guts. Trump’s current favorable/unfavorable rating is 34/58. Just as a point of comparison, the two biggest landslides in history were against Jimmy Carter (33/58) and Walter Mondale (34/40). Trump is so unpopular with the general electorate that we might as well be running Jared Fogle or Bill Cosby.
2) Trump consistently loses to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls: Given that so many people know Trump and already dislike him, it’s hard to understand why anyone thinks he’ll win in November. That’s especially true since the public already knows both him and Hillary Clinton well and he consistently loses to her in head-to-head match-ups.Hillary has 20 wins, 4 losses and 1 tie against Trump over the last 25 polls.Those numbers are more likely to get worse than get better.
3) Huge Republican defections are possible: Trump’s toxic, he’s not a conservative and he has personally insulted an enormous number of people on the Right. There will be more Republicans who won’t vote for him than for any other Republican nominee in recent history. In fact, it wouldn’t be a shock if there are significant numbers of prominent Republicans who back a third party candidate or otherwise try to deliberately undermine his campaign.
CARTOONS | Steve Breen
View Cartoon
4) He won’t be financially competitive in a general election: Hillary Clinton and the Super PACs supporting her will probably spend north of 2.5 billion dollars against Donald Trump. Trump has no Super Pacs and has made not taking money from big donors a centerpiece of his campaign. If you take away the value of his name, Trump would probably have to liquidate his entire fortune to compete financially with Hillary. Even if that were possible, which it’s not, Trump has been very reluctant to spend his money. He even admits that he doesn’t know how he’d fund his campaign in a general election.
5) Trump’s strategy is entirely dependent on the mainstream media: Liberals in the mainstream media have been giving Trump a free ride because they think he’ll be easy to beat in the general election. The day he becomes the nominee, they’ll turn on him just like they did with John McCain and he’ll face hostile treatment in every media venue. The moment that happens, Trump’s core campaign strategy will no longer work.
6) He makes gaffes: He’s the single most gaffe prone candidate in history. He says something dumb enough to end a normal candidate’s campaign every other week. Not only will his gaffes be used against him in a general election, he’ll regularly make more because that’s just what he does. Not only will that hurt his campaign for President, it will help wash out other GOP candidates who will regularly be forced to respond to the latest stupid thing he’s said.
7) He claimed George W. Bush lied about WMDS: Trump is indistinguishable from Michael Moore and Code Pink on the war in Iraq. Trump said Bush was the worst President in history, said he should have been impeached and claimed that he lied about WMDs to trick Americans into going to war.
8) He’s a conspiracy theorist: Before he started falsely claiming Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio weren’t eligible to be President, Trump was a birther who was publicly claiming Obama’s birth certificate was a fraud.
9) He’s way too comfy with the white supremacist movement: He has knowingly retweeted a white supremacist; by one count 62% of the people Trump retweets are white nationalists and there are now even white supremacist robocalls for Trump. It’s also not a shocker that David Duke is publicly supporting him by saying, “Voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage.”
10)Trump’s spokeswoman Katrina Pierson has said some really kooky things: Pierson bemoaned the fact that America is too reluctant to use nuclear weapons when she said, “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” She also tweeted out this creepy in an Aryan sort of way stupidity: “Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left?” She has also said the GOP is racist and has taken gratuitous swipes at Christians in general and Catholics in particular. There’s nobody you want as a nominee for anything who has someone like this as his spokesperson.
11) A man as thin skinned and vengeful as Trump can’t be trusted as President: Trump has written whole chapters of books that discuss how important it is to get revenge on people who cross him. If you trust a man who thinks like that with the FBI, DOJ, DHS, our military and the IRS, then you are either foolish or you just assume he won’t go after you and don’t care if he abuses his office to go after other people.
12) He’s a drama queen: One day he’s getting in a fight with Megyn Kelly; the next day he’s saying Carly Fiorina is ugly and the next thing you know, he has a back and forth going with the Pope. Trump’s like a five year old who will pull the cat’s tail, throw a ball through the window or curse in front of company as long it gets people looking at him. Good attention, bad attention, he doesn’t care. The same traits that make Donald Trump great on reality TV would make him temperamentally unfit to be President.
13) Trump is caught up in ongoing fraud trials over “Trump University:” There are two class action suits against Trump in California and the New York Attorney General has also filed suit against Trump over Trump University. One of the trials is scheduled to happen in August. So, right as the presidential campaign goes into full swing, the news will be full of stories about Trump and fraud.
14) Trump has extensive ties to the mob: According to a book written about him, “Throughout his adult life, Donald Trump has done business with major organized-crime figures and performed favors for their associates."
15) Trump was publicly supporting amnesty in 2013: Back when the gang of 8 amnesty bill was being discussed by Congress, Donald Trump who claims he’ll be tougher than anyone on illegal immigration was publicly calling for amnesty for illegal aliens.
16) Trump still supports citizenship for illegal aliens: Despite the fact that Trump is supposed to be tougher than anyone else on immigration, he’s in favor of rewarding many illegal aliens with American citizenship after they touch back in their home countries.
17) Trump doesn’t even make his OWN products in America: Trump claims he’s going to be tough on companies that move jobs overseas, but his own products are made in China and Mexico. Do people really think he’s going to crack down on his own businesses?
18) Trump’s country club in Florida rejects American workers for foreign labor: Donald Trump talks a good game about looking out for American workers, but in practice he has his products made overseas and he hires foreigners over Americans here in the states.
Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., describes itself as “one of the most highly regarded private clubs in the world,” and it is not just the very-well-to-do who want to get in.
Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired.
In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries.
19) Trump loves Planned Parenthood:Although he claims to be pro-life, Donald Trump has repeatedly praised the baby-killing, baby-part-selling butchers at Planned Parenthood.After being criticized harshly for refusing to cut off funding for the organization, Trump now mixes praise of the organization with unbelievable claims that he will cut off its funding. Even Planned Parenthood doesn’t believe Trump will hurt them because the organization’s CEO Cecile Richards said she appreciated Trump’s“kind words.”
20) Trump can’t be trusted to pick a Supreme Court Justice: A non-conservative who has kind words for Planned Parenthood and who thought his radical, pro-abortion sister would make a great justice if she wasn’t related to him is not someone you want picking a replacement for Antonin Scalia.
21) Donald Trump is largely indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders on health care: If Trump were to somehow become President, Republicans would have to root for Obamacare to stay in place because what Trump wants to do is worse. Trump has been advocating government-controlled single payer health care for over 15 years. Trump is so ignorant about health care that he’s unable to discuss the subject intelligently, but even as he denies that he still wants single payer health care, he says that everyone is going to be covered and the government will pay for it. If you thought there couldn’t possibly be a bigger liar on health care than Barack Obama, then meet Donald Trump.
22) Eminent domain: Not only is Donald Trump in favor of having the government use the power of eminent domain to take property from private owners so it can be given to fatcats like him, he tried to use eminent domain to take a widow’s home away from her so it could be used as a limo parking lot. If you think Donald Trump is for the little guy, you’re a sucker.
23) Trump is making it clear he will undermine Israel: Here’s Trump on the conflict between the pro-American Israelis and the anti-American, genocidal, pro-terrorist Palestinians, "I don't want to get into it for a different reason, Joe, because if I do win, there has to be a certain amount of surprise, unpredictability. Let me be sort of a neutral guy, let's see what -- I'm going to give it a shot. It would be so great." Since when do conservatives back a President who doesn’t support Israel?
24) Trump isn’t a conservative and has no consistent ideological values: Trump has switched political parties 5 times in his life, was endorsing Democrats three years ago and his positions on the issues sometimes change week to week.
25) Trump was endorsing Democrats just three years ago: Michael Bloomberg is the foremost advocate of gun control in the United States and Bill De Blasio is an open Marxist. Yet, here’s what Trump was saying about them three years ago.
"(Michael Bloomberg is) a friend of mine. He's been anexcellent mayor of New York City. He's a great guy and he means very well." (2013)
“I think pretty strongly that(Bill de Blasio will) end up being a good mayor, maybe a very good mayorand I don’t think he’s going to want to kill the golden goose. ...I think he’s a smart guy that knows what’s going on really big league and I think he is not going to want to destroy New York. I think he is going to want to make New York great.” (2013)
26) He’s a Clinton Foundation donor: As was noted in the debate on Thursday night, it would be hard for Trump to make an issue of all the sleazy things that the Clinton Foundation was doing when he was one of its donors.
27) Trump has publicly talked about how wonderful Hillary Clinton is on multiple occasions:
"(Hillary Clinton is) very talented, very smart.She's a friend of mine, so I'm a little prejudiced." (2007)
“Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job.”
"I know Hillary andI think she’d make a great president or vice-president." – 2008
Not only would these quotes help Hillary in an election, Trump’s shtick is always that he may have no idea what he’s talking about, but he’ll choose good people.
Like Hillary?
28) He has the thumbs up from Jimmy Carter: “I think I would choose Trump, which may surprise some of you. The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable. I don’t think he has any fixed (positions) he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far-right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.” – Jimmy Carter on whom he’d like to see as the Republican nominee
29) Donald Trump has been a big supporter of the Democrat Party: Among the many, manyDemocrats Donald Trump has donated to are Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Walter Mondale. Trump even donated the maximum to Jimmy Carter when he ran against Ronald Reagan.
30) He doesn’t know anything about policy: I don’t know if it’s because he’s lazy, not interested in policy or just because he’s old and has difficulty learning new things, but Trump doesn’t know anything more than the most basic facts about any issue. He literally does not understand immigration, healthcare or foreign policy on anything more than the most superficial level. Trump would never hire a guy who doesn’t know what he is talking about to run one of his construction sites; so why should Americans hire a guy who’s completely ignorant of policy to be President?
31) Trump is a too old to be running for President: If he somehow wins, Donald Trump will be 70 years old when he takes office. That would make him the oldest man ever to be elected to the White House for the first time.
32) Trump has many failed business ventures: Trump gives people the impression that he always wins. Certainly he has had a lot of success, but he also failed over and over again in ventures he knows little about just like he will if he’s the GOP’s nominee. It will be one more failed business venture like Trump steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump the Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, Trump Airlines, Trump University, Trump Casinos and the New Jersey Generals.
33) Trump mocked prisoners of war: I don’t much care for John McCain, but Trump didn’t just insult McCain, he mocked every American prisoner of war when he said,“(John McCain is) not a war hero…. He’s a war hero because he was captured.I like people that weren’t captured.” There were a lot of American war heroes who served honorably and were captured. They shouldn’t be laughed at by a man who never even served in the military.
34) Donald Trump makes fun of the handicapped: What sort of man mocks people for being handicapped? Trump has done it at least twice. He made fun of Charles Krauthammer, who’s paralyzed, by saying, "I get called by a guy thatcan't buy a pair of pants, I get called names?" Trump also mocked the appearance of a New York Times reporter with a congenital joint condition. You’d be ashamed of your own child if he behaved this way; so how can you vote for a man like this?
35) Donald Trump would be the first President to have made money off of a strip club: Are you really going to be proud to tell your kids that you’re backing a guy who made money off of casinos and a strip club for President?
36) Trump cheated on his wife: Not only did cheat Trump on his wife, he BRAGGED about sleeping with married women in one of his books.
37) He’s made creepy comments about dating his daughter: Sorry, but this is just a gross, weird and completely inappropriate comment to make about your own child, “I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for Playboy], although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her.” Incidentally, he’s said things like this more than once.
38) Trump’s a phony Christian: There’s no such thing as an unrepentant adulterer who doesn’t ask God for forgiveness who also happens to be a Christian. Trump is so unfamiliar with the church that he doesn’t even know what an offering plate looks like.
39) Trump is a misogynist: Not only has Donald Trump said a lot of gross things about women in general, he also said, “You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” Hillary is going to accuse whoever the Republican nominee is of being sexist. If Trump’s the nominee, it will be true.
40) Last but not least, Trump’s an even more perfect example of narcissistic personality disorder than Barack Obama: I’ll just leave this description here so you can make your own judgment.
An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met:
Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion
Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions)
Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply)
Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations
Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends
Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others
Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her
Arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted | |
| | |
 Lived to tell about it and will never do it again
Posts: 5408
| He's got my vote | |
| | |
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 326
| Now what about Hillary Clinton? My personal take is she is crooked and the biggest liar on earth. You need to research what Bill did in Arkansas while he was Governor. She had her hands in it to. She has a mean streak in her that makes those KKK people look like Angels. Her e-mail scandal, Bengozi and that darn Clinton foundation, just to much for me. She is will finish destroying America if she is President. America is falling down and I hope God will have mercy on us! Lord help us! | |
| | |
 A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | LP22654 - 2016-05-02 2:14 PM Now what about Hillary Clinton? My personal take is she is crooked and the biggest liar on earth. You need to research what Bill did in Arkansas while he was Governor. She had her hands in it to. She has a mean streak in her that makes those KKK people look like Angels. Her e-mail scandal, Bengozi and that darn Clinton foundation, just to much for me. She is will finish destroying America if she is President. America is falling down and I hope God will have mercy on us! Lord help us!
I agree she is the devil along side with Obamo  | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | LP22654 - 2016-05-02 3:14 PM Now what about Hillary Clinton? My personal take is she is crooked and the biggest liar on earth. You need to research what Bill did in Arkansas while he was Governor. She had her hands in it to. She has a mean streak in her that makes those KKK people look like Angels. Her e-mail scandal, Bengozi and that darn Clinton foundation, just to much for me. She is will finish destroying America if she is President. America is falling down and I hope God will have mercy on us! Lord help us!
You wanna see crooked----read up on Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation. | |
| | |
  Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:44 PM I guess why are the American people are opposing him? I think that is a good thing that he not part of these Washington crooks. I hope they don't try to shoot him! What's wrong with keeping our constitution? Please explain "The New World Order".
Don't ask Trump because in one of his earlier interviews, he admitted that he hadn't even READ the Constitution...... but, hey....he is not "establishment"..... | |
| | |
 Expert
Posts: 1395
Location: Missouri | LP22654 - 2016-05-02 2:14 PM
Now what about Hillary Clinton? My personal take is she is crooked and the biggest liar on earth. You need to research what Bill did in Arkansas while he was Governor. She had her hands in it to. She has a mean streak in her that makes those KKK people look like Angels. Her e-mail scandal, Bengozi and that darn Clinton foundation, just to much for me. She is will finish destroying America if she is President. America is falling down and I hope God will have mercy on us! Lord help us!
Oh my gee, yes, this^^^^! I'll be the first to admit I'm really not a fan of Trump. But if he gets the republican nomination, I'll be voting for him, bc I sure as stuff won't vote for Hilary or Bernie! | |
| | |
 Born not Made
Posts: 2931
Location: North Dakota |
40 Reasons Not To Vote For Donald Trump
1) Trump has favorability ratings that make him unelectable: The American public is very familiar with Donald Trump and people hate his guts. Trump’s current favorable/unfavorable rating is 34/58.
Let's consider that Obama is currently sitting at a 48% UN-approval rating. And this 34/58 breakdown doesn't account for 8%.
And clearly, at least 34% of people DON'T hate his guts.
2) Trump consistently loses to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls:
In a poll posted 2 hours ago by the New York Post shows Trump beating Clinton 41 to 39.
3) Huge Republican defections are possible: Trump’s toxic, he’s not a conservative and he has personally insulted an enormous number of people on the Right. There will be more Republicans who won’t vote for him than for any other Republican nominee in recent history. In fact, it wouldn’t be a shock if there are significant numbers of prominent Republicans who back a third party candidate or otherwise try to deliberately undermine his campaign.
Some people don't like CHANGE, or someone rocking the boat.
4) He won’t be financially competitive in a general election:
I highly doubt that. He's a businessman. He knows precisely what he is doing with his money.
5) Trump’s strategy is entirely dependent on the mainstream media: Liberals in the mainstream media have been giving Trump a free ride because they think he’ll be easy to beat in the general election. The day he becomes the nominee, they’ll turn on him just like they did with John McCain and he’ll face hostile treatment in every media venue. The moment that happens, Trump’s core campaign strategy will no longer work.
Free ride? I don't think so. They've already been hostile to him.
6) He makes gaffes: He’s the single most gaffe prone candidate in history. He says something dumb enough to end a normal candidate’s campaign every other week. Not only will his gaffes be used against him in a general election, he’ll regularly make more because that’s just what he does. Not only will that hurt his campaign for President, it will help wash out other GOP candidates who will regularly be forced to respond to the latest stupid thing he’s said.
Personally, I love the fact that he doesn't worry about being "politically correct".
And I'm going to stop there because I'll be here all day going through all 40.
| |
| | |
Born not Made
Posts: 2931
Location: North Dakota | LP22654 - 2016-05-02 2:14 PM Now what about Hillary Clinton? My personal take is she is crooked and the biggest liar on earth.
Normally, when you do poorly at your job, you get FIRED ..... not promoted.  | |
| | |
 Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | You can name 120 reasons why not to vote for Trump and he's still better than any of the rest. The clincher is that the establishment doesn't want him. They are sucka$$ traitors so he's the man I want. | |
| | |
 Popped
Posts: 20421
Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | oija - 2016-05-02 2:48 PM Let's try again shall we. 40 Reasons Not To Vote For Donald Trump 1) Trump has favorability ratings that make him unelectable: The American public is very familiar with Donald Trump and people hate his guts. Trump’s current favorable/unfavorable rating is 34/58. Just as a point of comparison, the two biggest landslides in history were against Jimmy Carter (33/58) and Walter Mondale (34/40). Trump is so unpopular with the general electorate that we might as well be running Jared Fogle or Bill Cosby. 2) Trump consistently loses to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls: Given that so many people know Trump and already dislike him, it’s hard to understand why anyone thinks he’ll win in November. That’s especially true since the public already knows both him and Hillary Clinton well and he consistently loses to her in head-to-head match-ups.Hillary has 20 wins, 4 losses and 1 tie against Trump over the last 25 polls.Those numbers are more likely to get worse than get better. 3) Huge Republican defections are possible: Trump’s toxic, he’s not a conservative and he has personally insulted an enormous number of people on the Right. There will be more Republicans who won’t vote for him than for any other Republican nominee in recent history. In fact, it wouldn’t be a shock if there are significant numbers of prominent Republicans who back a third party candidate or otherwise try to deliberately undermine his campaign. CARTOONS | Steve Breen View Cartoon 4) He won’t be financially competitive in a general election: Hillary Clinton and the Super PACs supporting her will probably spend north of 2.5 billion dollars against Donald Trump. Trump has no Super Pacs and has made not taking money from big donors a centerpiece of his campaign. If you take away the value of his name, Trump would probably have to liquidate his entire fortune to compete financially with Hillary. Even if that were possible, which it’s not, Trump has been very reluctant to spend his money. He even admits that he doesn’t know how he’d fund his campaign in a general election. 5) Trump’s strategy is entirely dependent on the mainstream media: Liberals in the mainstream media have been giving Trump a free ride because they think he’ll be easy to beat in the general election. The day he becomes the nominee, they’ll turn on him just like they did with John McCain and he’ll face hostile treatment in every media venue. The moment that happens, Trump’s core campaign strategy will no longer work. 6) He makes gaffes: He’s the single most gaffe prone candidate in history. He says something dumb enough to end a normal candidate’s campaign every other week. Not only will his gaffes be used against him in a general election, he’ll regularly make more because that’s just what he does. Not only will that hurt his campaign for President, it will help wash out other GOP candidates who will regularly be forced to respond to the latest stupid thing he’s said. 7) He claimed George W. Bush lied about WMDS: Trump is indistinguishable from Michael Moore and Code Pink on the war in Iraq. Trump said Bush was the worst President in history, said he should have been impeached and claimed that he lied about WMDs to trick Americans into going to war. 8) He’s a conspiracy theorist: Before he started falsely claiming Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio weren’t eligible to be President, Trump was a birther who was publicly claiming Obama’s birth certificate was a fraud. 9) He’s way too comfy with the white supremacist movement: He has knowingly retweeted a white supremacist; by one count 62% of the people Trump retweets are white nationalists and there are now even white supremacist robocalls for Trump. It’s also not a shocker that David Duke is publicly supporting him by saying, “Voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage.” 10)Trump’s spokeswoman Katrina Pierson has said some really kooky things: Pierson bemoaned the fact that America is too reluctant to use nuclear weapons when she said, “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” She also tweeted out this creepy in an Aryan sort of way stupidity: “Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left?” She has also said the GOP is racist and has taken gratuitous swipes at Christians in general and Catholics in particular. There’s nobody you want as a nominee for anything who has someone like this as his spokesperson. 11) A man as thin skinned and vengeful as Trump can’t be trusted as President: Trump has written whole chapters of books that discuss how important it is to get revenge on people who cross him. If you trust a man who thinks like that with the FBI, DOJ, DHS, our military and the IRS, then you are either foolish or you just assume he won’t go after you and don’t care if he abuses his office to go after other people. 12) He’s a drama queen: One day he’s getting in a fight with Megyn Kelly; the next day he’s saying Carly Fiorina is ugly and the next thing you know, he has a back and forth going with the Pope. Trump’s like a five year old who will pull the cat’s tail, throw a ball through the window or curse in front of company as long it gets people looking at him. Good attention, bad attention, he doesn’t care. The same traits that make Donald Trump great on reality TV would make him temperamentally unfit to be President. 13) Trump is caught up in ongoing fraud trials over “Trump University:” There are two class action suits against Trump in California and the New York Attorney General has also filed suit against Trump over Trump University. One of the trials is scheduled to happen in August. So, right as the presidential campaign goes into full swing, the news will be full of stories about Trump and fraud. 14) Trump has extensive ties to the mob: According to a book written about him, “Throughout his adult life, Donald Trump has done business with major organized-crime figures and performed favors for their associates." 15) Trump was publicly supporting amnesty in 2013: Back when the gang of 8 amnesty bill was being discussed by Congress, Donald Trump who claims he’ll be tougher than anyone on illegal immigration was publicly calling for amnesty for illegal aliens. 16) Trump still supports citizenship for illegal aliens: Despite the fact that Trump is supposed to be tougher than anyone else on immigration, he’s in favor of rewarding many illegal aliens with American citizenship after they touch back in their home countries. 17) Trump doesn’t even make his OWN products in America: Trump claims he’s going to be tough on companies that move jobs overseas, but his own products are made in China and Mexico. Do people really think he’s going to crack down on his own businesses? 18) Trump’s country club in Florida rejects American workers for foreign labor: Donald Trump talks a good game about looking out for American workers, but in practice he has his products made overseas and he hires foreigners over Americans here in the states. Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., describes itself as “one of the most highly regarded private clubs in the world,” and it is not just the very-well-to-do who want to get in. Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired. In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries. 19) Trump loves Planned Parenthood:Although he claims to be pro-life, Donald Trump has repeatedly praised the baby-killing, baby-part-selling butchers at Planned Parenthood.After being criticized harshly for refusing to cut off funding for the organization, Trump now mixes praise of the organization with unbelievable claims that he will cut off its funding. Even Planned Parenthood doesn’t believe Trump will hurt them because the organization’s CEO Cecile Richards said she appreciated Trump’s“kind words.” 20) Trump can’t be trusted to pick a Supreme Court Justice: A non-conservative who has kind words for Planned Parenthood and who thought his radical, pro-abortion sister would make a great justice if she wasn’t related to him is not someone you want picking a replacement for Antonin Scalia. 21) Donald Trump is largely indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders on health care: If Trump were to somehow become President, Republicans would have to root for Obamacare to stay in place because what Trump wants to do is worse. Trump has been advocating government-controlled single payer health care for over 15 years. Trump is so ignorant about health care that he’s unable to discuss the subject intelligently, but even as he denies that he still wants single payer health care, he says that everyone is going to be covered and the government will pay for it. If you thought there couldn’t possibly be a bigger liar on health care than Barack Obama, then meet Donald Trump. 22) Eminent domain: Not only is Donald Trump in favor of having the government use the power of eminent domain to take property from private owners so it can be given to fatcats like him, he tried to use eminent domain to take a widow’s home away from her so it could be used as a limo parking lot. If you think Donald Trump is for the little guy, you’re a sucker. 23) Trump is making it clear he will undermine Israel: Here’s Trump on the conflict between the pro-American Israelis and the anti-American, genocidal, pro-terrorist Palestinians, "I don't want to get into it for a different reason, Joe, because if I do win, there has to be a certain amount of surprise, unpredictability. Let me be sort of a neutral guy, let's see what -- I'm going to give it a shot. It would be so great." Since when do conservatives back a President who doesn’t support Israel? 24) Trump isn’t a conservative and has no consistent ideological values: Trump has switched political parties 5 times in his life, was endorsing Democrats three years ago and his positions on the issues sometimes change week to week. 25) Trump was endorsing Democrats just three years ago: Michael Bloomberg is the foremost advocate of gun control in the United States and Bill De Blasio is an open Marxist. Yet, here’s what Trump was saying about them three years ago. "(Michael Bloomberg is) a friend of mine. He's been anexcellent mayor of New York City. He's a great guy and he means very well." (2013) “I think pretty strongly that(Bill de Blasio will) end up being a good mayor, maybe a very good mayorand I don’t think he’s going to want to kill the golden goose. ...I think he’s a smart guy that knows what’s going on really big league and I think he is not going to want to destroy New York. I think he is going to want to make New York great.” (2013) 26) He’s a Clinton Foundation donor: As was noted in the debate on Thursday night, it would be hard for Trump to make an issue of all the sleazy things that the Clinton Foundation was doing when he was one of its donors. 27) Trump has publicly talked about how wonderful Hillary Clinton is on multiple occasions: "(Hillary Clinton is) very talented, very smart.She's a friend of mine, so I'm a little prejudiced." (2007) “Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job.” "I know Hillary andI think she’d make a great president or vice-president." – 2008 Not only would these quotes help Hillary in an election, Trump’s shtick is always that he may have no idea what he’s talking about, but he’ll choose good people. Like Hillary? 28) He has the thumbs up from Jimmy Carter: “I think I would choose Trump, which may surprise some of you. The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable. I don’t think he has any fixed (positions) he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far-right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.” – Jimmy Carter on whom he’d like to see as the Republican nominee 29) Donald Trump has been a big supporter of the Democrat Party: Among the many, manyDemocrats Donald Trump has donated to are Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Walter Mondale. Trump even donated the maximum to Jimmy Carter when he ran against Ronald Reagan. 30) He doesn’t know anything about policy: I don’t know if it’s because he’s lazy, not interested in policy or just because he’s old and has difficulty learning new things, but Trump doesn’t know anything more than the most basic facts about any issue. He literally does not understand immigration, healthcare or foreign policy on anything more than the most superficial level. Trump would never hire a guy who doesn’t know what he is talking about to run one of his construction sites; so why should Americans hire a guy who’s completely ignorant of policy to be President? 31) Trump is a too old to be running for President: If he somehow wins, Donald Trump will be 70 years old when he takes office. That would make him the oldest man ever to be elected to the White House for the first time. 32) Trump has many failed business ventures: Trump gives people the impression that he always wins. Certainly he has had a lot of success, but he also failed over and over again in ventures he knows little about just like he will if he’s the GOP’s nominee. It will be one more failed business venture like Trump steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump the Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, Trump Airlines, Trump University, Trump Casinos and the New Jersey Generals. 33) Trump mocked prisoners of war: I don’t much care for John McCain, but Trump didn’t just insult McCain, he mocked every American prisoner of war when he said,“(John McCain is) not a war hero…. He’s a war hero because he was captured.I like people that weren’t captured.” There were a lot of American war heroes who served honorably and were captured. They shouldn’t be laughed at by a man who never even served in the military. 34) Donald Trump makes fun of the handicapped: What sort of man mocks people for being handicapped? Trump has done it at least twice. He made fun of Charles Krauthammer, who’s paralyzed, by saying, "I get called by a guy thatcan't buy a pair of pants, I get called names?" Trump also mocked the appearance of a New York Times reporter with a congenital joint condition. You’d be ashamed of your own child if he behaved this way; so how can you vote for a man like this? 35) Donald Trump would be the first President to have made money off of a strip club: Are you really going to be proud to tell your kids that you’re backing a guy who made money off of casinos and a strip club for President? 36) Trump cheated on his wife: Not only did cheat Trump on his wife, he BRAGGED about sleeping with married women in one of his books. 37) He’s made creepy comments about dating his daughter: Sorry, but this is just a gross, weird and completely inappropriate comment to make about your own child, “I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for Playboy], although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her.” Incidentally, he’s said things like this more than once. 38) Trump’s a phony Christian: There’s no such thing as an unrepentant adulterer who doesn’t ask God for forgiveness who also happens to be a Christian. Trump is so unfamiliar with the church that he doesn’t even know what an offering plate looks like. 39) Trump is a misogynist: Not only has Donald Trump said a lot of gross things about women in general, he also said, “You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” Hillary is going to accuse whoever the Republican nominee is of being sexist. If Trump’s the nominee, it will be true. 40) Last but not least, Trump’s an even more perfect example of narcissistic personality disorder than Barack Obama: I’ll just leave this description here so you can make your own judgment. An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met: Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply) Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her Arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted
1) EVERY poll is skewed....
2) See #1
3) The Republican establishment is may threaten defections but its the eletisit who want to control the canidate. Not Americans who really want to see a change in politics as we know it.
4) financially competitive..... Thats ok... he also wont be beholding to politics as usuall.
5) Trumps stratogy apeals to americans who are sick to death of the political puppet show. Mainstream media is playing right into his hands and will continue to give him the majority of airtime. his antics are just for that.
6) gaffes = media air time....refer to answer 5
7) I have not heard him say this statement...so i will research futher.... not sure if this is true or a bias planted statement
8) all three have questionalble american status. so let him conspire.
9) he can schmooze most and is comfortable with what ever crowd he is around.
10) refer to #7
11) i for one am sick of status quo..... bring on the billionaire.
12) Refer to 5 & 6
13) distraction tactics
14) obama is more in the mobs lap than DT.... comeon (book written about him) Please... back to facts
15)-16) his imigration policy is about the Illeagal part.... its about the part where we are feeding, insuring and allowing them to drain our financial resourses to a point that we have to increase the debt limit, and threaten hard working americans social security. Which im highly in favor of SS being there when i retire. There is a right way to become an american.... lets get a handle on it, stream line it and then if they want to be americans.... they should be. Legally.
17) which ones?
18) please refer to all the florida country clubs just not mr trumps please
19) he along with over half our senators and congressmen??? the long term folks who get paid a salary for life and whom are not forced to take the new affordable care act.
20)can anyone be trusted to apoint to the highest court in the land?
21) this is so incredibly false.... UGG!
22) yup im a sucker
23) never heard this refer to #7
24) me too.... i would much rather back a person than a party.
25)-29) refer to #24 so his recomendations over the years just make him more aware of what has went on
30) policy = politics as usual UCK!
31) LMAO.... he sure dont act old
32) i have sure lost more times than ive won too
33) 34) media = attention
35) diversified.... probably the most diversified business man alive.
36) 37) lets never say anything that comes out wrong....
38) I will let god decide that one. only he knows whats really in his heart. (when was the last time we elected a christian to the whitehouse?)
39) hillary is a murderer, liar, thief nasty individual. lets not forget the many ways she will be berated in the general election.
40) a man who has made a fortune and who has a plan to put into action.... can it really be any worse than what we have had the last 8 years. If we have to take a chance on something why not DT....
Its said that if you keep doing the same things and expect a different outcome you are just fooling yourself. The outcome will never change. Its time for a shake up of politics as my adult life has known it. Congress. House.... youare as much of the problem as anything. time to fix some problems and make america great again. 
the above repsones are of my own typing and not a copy paste...
| |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | It was one of those Meme things on Facebook but it stated--
I am not 100% sure that Trump will be a great President but I am 100% sure Hillary will be a terrible one.
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 5290
| I just cant wait for all these people who claim that they will leave the USA and go to Canada if Trump becomes president!! My state of CA will actually have room for all of us to drive and walk around. | |
| | |
 Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| My main reason that I have and still do oppose him is that I don't believe a word he says. To me he is nothing but a used car salesman trying to sell you POS car with a fancy paint job. It looks good from the outside but don't look under the hood. And I don't think he stands a chance to beat Hillary. Please tell me which states the Donald plans on flipping in the general or how he plans to get the 60% that DID NOT vote for him to show up for the general. His big five state win in the north east the other day means nothing all those states vote Dem. in the general. So far he has not won one state between the Mississippi and the Rocky's prime Rep. country how does he get them back in the general? You have to remember the Dem's out number the Rep's they only need to pick seven states to get 270 in the general on the other side the Rep's have to pick up 14 states to get to 270 in the general. So tell me all you Trumsters just how is he going to do that? The Dem's might hate Hillary but they still will show up and vote for her. | |
| | |
 No Tune in a Bucket
Posts: 2935
Location: Texas | LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:35 PM I'm not trying to start a political fight, I just want to know what is wrong with his policies? As far Hillary Clinton I understand why people oppose her.
What policies would that be? I have not heard him say he is going to do a lot of things but pretty light on the how. | |
| | |
 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall
Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following: - On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
- On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
- On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
- Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
- Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
- Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.
Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again. | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Healthcare Reform to Make America Great Again
Since March of 2010, the American people have had to suffer under the incredible economic burden of the Affordable Care Act—Obamacare. This legislation, passed by totally partisan votes in the House and Senate and signed into law by the most divisive and partisan President in American history, has tragically but predictably resulted in runaway costs, websites that don’t work, greater rationing of care, higher premiums, less competition and fewer choices. Obamacare has raised the economic uncertainty of every single person residing in this country. As it appears Obamacare is certain to collapse of its own weight, the damage done by the Democrats and President Obama, and abetted by the Supreme Court, will be difficult to repair unless the next President and a Republican congress lead the effort to bring much-needed free market reforms to the healthcare industry.
But none of these positive reforms can be accomplished without Obamacare repeal. On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
However, it is not enough to simply repeal this terrible legislation. We will work with Congress to make sure we have a series of reforms ready for implementation that follow free market principles and that will restore economic freedom and certainty to everyone in this country. By following free market principles and working together to create sound public policy that will broaden healthcare access, make healthcare more affordable and improve the quality of the care available to all Americans.
Any reform effort must begin with Congress. Since Obamacare became law, conservative Republicans have been offering reforms that can be delivered individually or as part of more comprehensive reform efforts. In the remaining sections of this policy paper, several reforms will be offered that should be considered by Congress so that on the first day of the Trump Administration, we can start the process of restoring faith in government and economic liberty to the people.
Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must: - Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
- Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
- Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
- Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
- Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
- Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
- Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.
The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation’s government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.
Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.
To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children’s Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.
Finally, we need to reform our mental health programs and institutions in this country. Families, without the ability to get the information needed to help those who are ailing, are too often not given the tools to help their loved ones. There are promising reforms being developed in Congress that should receive bi-partisan support.
To reform healthcare in America, we need a President who has the leadership skills, will and courage to engage the American people and convince Congress to do what is best for the country. These straightforward reforms, along with many others I have proposed throughout my campaign, will ensure that together we will Make America Great Again. | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Reforming The U.S.-China Trade Relationship To Make America Great Again
How We Got Here: Washington Politicians Let China Off The Hook
In January 2000, President Bill Clinton boldly promised China’s inclusion in the World Trade Organization (WTO) “is a good deal for America. Our products will gain better access to China’s market, and every sector from agriculture, to telecommunications, to automobiles. But China gains no new market access to the United States.” None of what President Clinton promised came true. Since China joined the WTO, Americans have witnessed the closure of more than 50,000 factories and the loss of tens of millions of jobs. It was not a good deal for America then and it’s a bad deal now. It is a typical example of how politicians in Washington have failed our country.
The most important component of our China policy is leadership and strength at the negotiating table. We have been too afraid to protect and advance American interests and to challenge China to live up to its obligations. We need smart negotiators who will serve the interests of American workers – not Wall Street insiders that want to move U.S. manufacturing and investment offshore.
The Goal Of The Trump Plan: Fighting For American Businesses And Workers
America has always been a trading nation. Under the Trump administration trade will flourish. However, for free trade to bring prosperity to America, it must also be fair trade. Our goal is not protectionism but accountability. America fully opened its markets to China but China has not reciprocated. Its Great Wall of Protectionism uses unlawful tariff and non-tariff barriers to keep American companies out of China and to tilt the playing field in their favor.
If you give American workers a level playing field, they will win. At its heart, this plan is a negotiating strategy to bring fairness to our trade with China. The results will be huge for American businesses and workers. Jobs and factories will stop moving offshore and instead stay here at home. The economy will boom. The steps outlined in this plan will make that a reality.
When Donald J. Trump is president, China will be on notice that America is back in the global leadership business and that their days of currency manipulation and cheating are over. We will cut a better deal with China that helps American businesses and workers compete.
The Trump Plan Will Achieve The Following Goals: - Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.
- Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.
- Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.
- Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism.
Details of Donald J. Trump’s US China Trade Plan:
Declare China A Currency Manipulator
We need a president who will not succumb to the financial blackmail of a Communist dictatorship. President Obama’s Treasury Department has repeatedly refused to brand China a currency manipulator – a move that would force China to stop these unfair practices or face tough countervailing duties that level the playing field.
Economists estimate the Chinese yuan is undervalued by anywhere from 15% to 40%. This grossly undervalued yuan gives Chinese exporters a huge advantage while imposing the equivalent of a heavy tariff on U.S. exports to China. Such currency manipulation, in concert with China’s other unfair practices, has resulted in chronic U.S. trade deficits, a severe weakening of the U.S. manufacturing base and the loss of tens of millions of American jobs.
In a system of truly free trade and floating exchange rates like a Trump administration would support, America's massive trade deficit with China would not persist. On day one of the Trump administration the U.S. Treasury Department will designate China as a currency manipulator. This will begin a process that imposes appropriate countervailing duties on artificially cheap Chinese products, defends U.S. manufacturers and workers, and revitalizes job growth in America. We must stand up to China’s blackmail and reject corporate America’s manipulation of our politicians. The U.S. Treasury’s designation of China as a currency manipulator will force China to the negotiating table and open the door to a fair – and far better – trading relationship.
End China’s Intellectual Property Violations
China’s ongoing theft of intellectual property may be the greatest transfer of wealth in history. This theft costs the U.S. over $300 billion and millions of jobs each year. China’s government ignores this rampant cybercrime and, in other cases, actively encourages or even sponsors it –without any real consequences. China’s cyber lawlessness threatens our prosperity, privacy and national security. We will enforce stronger protections against Chinese hackers and counterfeit goods and our responses to Chinese theft will be swift, robust, and unequivocal.
The Chinese government also forces American companies like Boeing, GE, and Intel to transfer proprietary technologies to Chinese competitors as a condition of entry into the Chinese market. Such de facto intellectual property theft represents a brazen violation of WTO and international rules. China’s forced technology transfer policy is absolutely ridiculous. Going forward, we will adopt a zero tolerance policy on intellectual property theft and forced technology transfer. If China wants to trade with America, they must agree to stop stealing and to play by the rules.
Eliminate China’s Illegal Export Subsidies And Other Unfair Advantages
Chinese manufacturers and other exporters receive numerous illegal export subsidies from the Chinese government. These include - in direct contradiction to WTO rules - free or nearly free rent, utilities, raw materials, and many other services. China’s state-run banks routinely extend loans these enterprises at below market rates or without the expectation they will be repaid. China even offers them illegal tax breaks or rebates as well as cash bonuses to stimulate exports.
China’s illegal export subsidies intentionally distorts international trade and damages other countries’ exports by giving Chinese companies an unfair advantage. From textile and steel mills in the Carolinas to the Gulf Coast’s shrimp and fish industries to the Midwest manufacturing belt and California’s agribusiness, China’s disregard for WTO rules hurt every corner of America.
The U.S. Trade Representative recently filed yet another complaint with the WTO accusing China of cheating on our trade agreements by subsidizing its exports. The Trump administration will not wait for an international body to tell us what we already know. To gain negotiating leverage, we will pursue the WTO case and aggressively highlight and expose these subsidies.
China’s woeful lack of reasonable environmental and labor standards represent yet another form of unacceptable export subsidy. How can American manufacturers, who must meet very high standards, possibly compete with Chinese companies that care nothing about their workers or the environment? We will challenge China to join the 21 st Century when it comes to such standards.
The Trump Plan Will Strengthen Our Negotiating position
As the world’s most important economy and consumer of goods, America must always negotiate trade agreements from strength. Branding China as a currency manipulator and exposing their unfair trade practices is not enough. In order to further strengthen our negotiating leverage, the Trump plan will: - Lower the corporate tax rate to 15% to unleash American ingenuity here at home and make us more globally competitive. This tax cut puts our rate 10 percentage points below China and 20 points below our current burdensome rate that pushes companies and jobs offshore.
- Attack our debt and deficit by vigorously eliminating waste, fraud and abuse in the Federal government, ending redundant government programs, and growing the economy to increase tax revenues. Closing the deficit and reducing our debt will mean China cannot blackmail us with our own Treasury bonds.
- Strengthen the U.S. military and deploying it appropriately in the East and South China Seas. These actions will discourage Chinese adventurism that imperils American interests in Asia and shows our strength as we begin renegotiating our trading relationship with China. A strong military presence will be a clear signal to China and other nations in Asia and around the world that America is back in the global leadership business.
| |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Veterans Administration Reforms That Will Make America Great Again
The Goals Of Donald J. Trump’s Veterans Plan
The current state of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is absolutely unacceptable. Over 300,000 veterans died waiting for care. Corruption and incompetence were excused. Politicians in Washington have done too little too slowly to fix it. This situation can never happen again, and when Donald J. Trump is president, it will be fixed – fast.
The guiding principle of the Trump plan is ensuring veterans have convenient access to the best quality care. To further this principle, the Trump plan will decrease wait times, improve healthcare outcomes, and facilitate a seamless transition from service into civilian life.
The Trump Plan Will: - Ensure our veterans get the care they need wherever and whenever they need it. No more long drives. No more waiting for backlogs. No more excessive red tape. Just the care and support they earned with their service to our country.
- Support the whole veteran, not just their physical health care, but also by addressing their invisible wounds, investing in our service members’ post-active duty success, transforming the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members, and better meeting the needs of our female veterans.
- Make the VA great again by firing the corrupt and incompetent VA executives who let our veterans down, by modernizing the VA, and by empowering the doctors and nurses to ensure our veterans receive the best care available in a timely manner.
The Trump Plan Gives Veterans The Freedom To Choose And Forces The VA To Compete For Their Dollars
Politicians in Washington have tried to fix the VA by holding hearings and blindly throwing money at the problem. None of it has worked. In fact, wait times were 50% higher this summer than they were a year ago. That’s because the VA lacks the right leadership and management. It’s time we stop trusting Washington politicians to fix the problems and empower our veterans to vote with their feet.
Under a Trump Administration, all veterans eligible for VA health care can bring their veteran’s ID card to any doctor or care facility that accepts Medicare to get the care they need immediately. Our veterans have earned the freedom to choose better or more convenient care from the doctor and facility of their choice. The power to choose will stop the wait time backlogs and force the VA to improve and compete if the department wants to keep receiving veterans’ healthcare dollars. The VA will become more responsive to veterans, develop more efficient systems, and improve the quality of care because it will have no other choice.
The Trump Plan Treats The Whole Veteran
We must care for the whole veteran, not just their physical health. We must recognize that today’s veterans have very different needs than those of the Greatest Generation.
The Trump Plan Will: - Increase funding for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), traumatic brain injury and suicide prevention services to address our veterans’ invisible wounds. Service members are five times more likely to develop depression than civilians. They are almost fifteen times more likely to develop PTSD than civilians. This funding will help provide more and better counseling and care. More funding will also support research on best practices and state of the art treatments to keep our veterans alive, healthy and whole. With these steps, the Trump plan will help the veteran community put the unnecessary stigma surrounding mental health behind them and instead encourage acceptance and treatment in our greater society.
- Increase funding for job training and placement services (including incentives for companies hiring veterans), educational support and business loans. All Americans agree that we must do everything we can to help put our service men and women on a path to success as they leave active duty by collaborating with the many successful non-profit organizations that are already helping. Service members have learned valuable skills in the military but many need help understanding how to apply those skills in civilian life. Others know how to apply those skills but need help connecting with good jobs to support their families. Still others have an entrepreneurial spirit and are ready to start creating jobs and growing the economy. The Trump plan will strengthen existing programs or replace them with more effective ones to address these needs and to get our veterans working.
- Transform the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members. Today’s veterans have very different needs than those of the generations that came before them. The VA must adapt to meet the needs of this generation of younger, more diverse veterans. The Trump plan will expand VA services for female veterans and ensure the VA is providing the right support for this new generation of veterans.
- Better support our women veterans. The fact that many VA hospitals don’t permanently staff OBGYN doctors shows an utter lack of respect for the growing number female veterans. Under the Trump plan, every VA hospital in the country will be fully equipped with OBGYN and other women’s health services. In addition, women veterans can always choose a different OBGYN in their community using their veteran’s ID card.
The Trump Plan Will Make The VA Great Again
The VA health care program is a disaster. Some candidates want to get rid of it, but our veterans need the VA to be there for them and their families. That’s why the Trump plan will: - Fire the corrupt and incompetent VA executives that let our veterans down. Under a Trump Administration, there will be no job security for VA executives that enabled or overlooked corruption and incompetence. They’re fired. New leadership will focus the VA staff on delivering timely, top quality care and other services to our nation’s veterans. Under a Trump Administration, exposing and addressing the VA’s inefficiencies and shortcomings will be rewarded, not punished.
- End waste, fraud and abuse at the VA. The Trump plan will ensure the VA is spending its dollars wisely to provide the greatest impact for veterans and hold administrators accountable for irresponsible spending and abuse. The days of $6.3 million for statues and fountains at VA facilities and $300,000 for a manager to move 140 miles are over. The Trump plan will clean up the VA’s finances so the current VA budget provides more and better care than it does now.
- Modernize the VA. A VA with 20th century technology cannot serve 21st century service members and their needs. The VA has been promising to modernize for years without real results. The Trump plan will make it happen by accelerating and expanding investments in state of the art technology to deliver best-in-class care quickly and effectively. All veterans should be able to conveniently schedule appointments, communicate with their doctors, and view accurate wait times with the push of a button.
- Empower the caregivers to ensure our veterans receive quality care quickly. Caregivers should be able to easily streamline treatment plans across departments and utilize telehealth tools to better serve their patients. As we have seen from the private sector, the potential for new, innovative technology is endless. Abandoning the wasteful and archaic mindset of the public sector will give way to tremendously effective veteran healthcare.
- Hire more veterans to care for veterans. The more veterans we have working at the VA, the better the VA will be. They understand the unique challenges facing their community. To increase the number of veterans hired by the VA, this plan will add an additional 5 points to the qualifying scores of veterans applying for VA jobs.
- Embed satellite VA clinics in rural and other underserved areas. The Trump Administration will embed satellite VA clinics within hospitals and other care facilities in rural and other underserved areas. This step will ensure veterans have easy access to care and local hospitals and care facilities can handle the influx of patients without backlogs while tapping the specialized knowledge of VA health specialists.
| |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Tax Reform That Will Make America Great Again
The Goals Of Donald J. Trump’s Tax Plan
Too few Americans are working, too many jobs have been shipped overseas, and too many middle class families cannot make ends meet. This tax plan directly meets these challenges with four simple goals: - Tax relief for middle class Americans: In order to achieve the American dream, let people keep more money in their pockets and increase after-tax wages.
- Simplify the tax code to reduce the headaches Americans face in preparing their taxes and let everyone keep more of their money.
- Grow the American economy by discouraging corporate inversions, adding a huge number of new jobs, and making America globally competitive again.
- Doesn’t add to our debt and deficit, which are already too large.
The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals - If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
- All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
- No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
- No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.
The Trump Tax Plan Is Revenue Neutral
The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by: - Reducing or eliminating most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich.
- A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate, followed by an end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad.
- Reducing or eliminating corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.
DETAILS OF DONALD J. TRUMP’S TAX PLAN
America needs a bold, simple and achievable plan based on conservative economic principles. This plan does that with needed tax relief for all Americans, especially the working poor and middle class, pro-growth tax reform for all sizes of businesses, and fiscally responsible steps to ensure this plan does not add to our enormous debt and deficit.
This plan simplifies the tax code by taking nearly 50% of current filers off the income tax rolls entirely and reducing the number of tax brackets from seven to four for everyone else. This plan also reduces or eliminates loopholes used by the very rich and special interests made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rates on individuals and companies.
The Trump Tax Plan: A Simpler Tax Code For All Americans
When the income tax was first introduced, just one percent of Americans had to pay it. It was never intended as a tax most Americans would pay. The Trump plan eliminates the income tax for over 73 million households. 42 million households that currently file complex forms to determine they don’t owe any income taxes will now file a one page form saving them time, stress, uncertainty and an average of $110 in preparation costs. Over 31 million households get the same simplification and keep on average nearly $1,000 of their hard-earned money.
For those Americans who will still pay the income tax, the tax rates will go from the current seven brackets to four simpler, fairer brackets that eliminate the marriage penalty and the AMT while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II:
Income Tax RateLong Term Cap Gains/ Dividends RateSingle FilersMarried FilersHeads of Household0%0%$0 to $25,000$0 to $50,000$0 to $37,500
10%0%$25,001 to $50,000$50,001 to $100,000$37,501 to $75,000
20%15%$50,001 to $150,000$100,001 to $300,000$75,001 to $225,000
25%20%$150,001 and up$300,001 and up$225,001 and up
With this huge reduction in rates, many of the current exemptions and deductions will become unnecessary or redundant. Those within the 10% bracket will keep all or most of their current deductions. Those within the 20% bracket will keep more than half of their current deductions. Those within the 25% bracket will keep fewer deductions. Charitable giving and mortgage interest deductions will remain unchanged for all taxpayers.
Simplifying the tax code and cutting every American’s taxes will boost consumer spending, encourage savings and investment, and maximize economic growth.
Business Tax Reform To Encourage Jobs And Spur Economic Growth
Too many companies – from great American brands to innovative startups – are leaving America, either directly or through corporate inversions. The Democrats want to outlaw inversions, but that will never work. Companies leaving is not the disease, it is the symptom. Politicians in Washington have let America fall from the best corporate tax rate in the industrialized world in the 1980’s (thanks to Ronald Reagan) to the worst rate in the industrialized world. That is unacceptable. Under the Trump plan, America will compete with the world and win by cutting the corporate tax rate to 15%, taking our rate from one of the worst to one of the best.
This lower tax rate cannot be for big business alone; it needs to help the small businesses that are the true engine of our economy. Right now, freelancers, sole proprietors, unincorporated small businesses and pass-through entities are taxed at the high personal income tax rates. This treatment stifles small businesses. It also stifles tax reform because efforts to reduce loopholes and deductions available to the very rich and special interests end up hitting small businesses and job creators as well. The Trump plan addresses this challenge head on with a new business income tax rate within the personal income tax code that matches the 15% corporate tax rate to help these businesses, entrepreneurs and freelancers grow and prosper.
These lower rates will provide a tremendous stimulus for the economy – significant GDP growth, a huge number of new jobs and an increase in after-tax wages for workers.
The Trump Tax Plan Ends The Unfair Death Tax
The death tax punishes families for achieving the American dream. Therefore, the Trump plan eliminates the death tax.
The Trump Tax Plan Is Fiscally Responsible
The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by: - Reducing or eliminating deductions and loopholes available to the very rich, starting by steepening the curve of the Personal Exemption Phaseout and the Pease Limitation on itemized deductions. The Trump plan also phases out the tax exemption on life insurance interest for high-income earners, ends the current tax treatment of carried interest for speculative partnerships that do not grow businesses or create jobs and are not risking their own capital, and reduces or eliminates other loopholes for the very rich and special interests. These reductions and eliminations will not harm the economy or hurt the middle class. Because the Trump plan introduces a new business income rate within the personal income tax code, they will not harm small businesses either.
- A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate. Since we are making America’s corporate tax rate globally competitive, it is only fair that corporations help make that move fiscally responsible. U.S.-owned corporations have as much as $2.5 trillion in cash sitting overseas. Some companies have been leaving cash overseas as a tax maneuver. Under this plan, they can bring their cash home and put it to work in America while benefitting from the newly-lowered corporate tax rate that is globally competitive and no longer requires parking cash overseas. Other companies have cash overseas for specific business units or activities. They can leave that cash overseas, but they will still have to pay the one-time repatriation fee.
- An end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad. Corporations will no longer be allowed to defer taxes on income earned abroad, but the foreign tax credit will remain in place because no company should face double taxation.
- Reducing or eliminating some corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.
| |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.
The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.
It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:
Enforce The Laws On The Books
We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.
Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.
Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.
Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.
Fix Our Broken Mental Health System
Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.
All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.
And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.
We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.
Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners
GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.
BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.
NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.
MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves. | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again
The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan
When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.
The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.
In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.
Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).
In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.
The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.
Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.
Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States
America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:
Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.
Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.
Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.
Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.
Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.
Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.
Put American Workers First
Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”
The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.
Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”
Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.
Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.
Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.
Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages. | |
| | |
 Dancing in my Mind
Posts: 3062
Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Thanks Nevertoold for all the info. Now just have to find time to read it all. Love BHW...always learning something | |
| | |
 Did I miss the party?
Posts: 3864
| FLITASTIC - 2016-05-02 2:13 PM I just cant wait for all these people who claim that they will leave the USA and go to Canada if Trump becomes president!! My state of CA will actually have room for all of us to drive and walk around.
 | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Rolling J - 2016-05-02 8:30 PM Thanks Nevertoold for all the info. Now just have to find time to read it all. Love BHW...always learning something
People keep saying he doesn't have any plans, well he does and there is no way he would have time on TV to go down and list all of this info and most people really don't care anyway..
Obama got elected because he was black and tried to act cool..LOL
| |
| | |
 Hog Tie My Mojo
Posts: 4847
Location: Opelousas, LA | NTO, you are awesome! Great info! Google what Intel is doing with the H1B visa program, it is shameful and would not happen under Trump.
| |
| | |
 Warmblood with Wings
Posts: 27846
Location: Florida.. | oija - 2016-05-02 2:48 PM Let's try again shall we. 40 Reasons Not To Vote For Donald Trump 1) Trump has favorability ratings that make him unelectable: The American public is very familiar with Donald Trump and people hate his guts. Trump’s current favorable/unfavorable rating is 34/58. Just as a point of comparison, the two biggest landslides in history were against Jimmy Carter (33/58) and Walter Mondale (34/40). Trump is so unpopular with the general electorate that we might as well be running Jared Fogle or Bill Cosby. 2) Trump consistently loses to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls: Given that so many people know Trump and already dislike him, it’s hard to understand why anyone thinks he’ll win in November. That’s especially true since the public already knows both him and Hillary Clinton well and he consistently loses to her in head-to-head match-ups.Hillary has 20 wins, 4 losses and 1 tie against Trump over the last 25 polls.Those numbers are more likely to get worse than get better. 3) Huge Republican defections are possible: Trump’s toxic, he’s not a conservative and he has personally insulted an enormous number of people on the Right. There will be more Republicans who won’t vote for him than for any other Republican nominee in recent history. In fact, it wouldn’t be a shock if there are significant numbers of prominent Republicans who back a third party candidate or otherwise try to deliberately undermine his campaign. CARTOONS | Steve Breen View Cartoon 4) He won’t be financially competitive in a general election: Hillary Clinton and the Super PACs supporting her will probably spend north of 2.5 billion dollars against Donald Trump. Trump has no Super Pacs and has made not taking money from big donors a centerpiece of his campaign. If you take away the value of his name, Trump would probably have to liquidate his entire fortune to compete financially with Hillary. Even if that were possible, which it’s not, Trump has been very reluctant to spend his money. He even admits that he doesn’t know how he’d fund his campaign in a general election. 5) Trump’s strategy is entirely dependent on the mainstream media: Liberals in the mainstream media have been giving Trump a free ride because they think he’ll be easy to beat in the general election. The day he becomes the nominee, they’ll turn on him just like they did with John McCain and he’ll face hostile treatment in every media venue. The moment that happens, Trump’s core campaign strategy will no longer work. 6) He makes gaffes: He’s the single most gaffe prone candidate in history. He says something dumb enough to end a normal candidate’s campaign every other week. Not only will his gaffes be used against him in a general election, he’ll regularly make more because that’s just what he does. Not only will that hurt his campaign for President, it will help wash out other GOP candidates who will regularly be forced to respond to the latest stupid thing he’s said. 7) He claimed George W. Bush lied about WMDS: Trump is indistinguishable from Michael Moore and Code Pink on the war in Iraq. Trump said Bush was the worst President in history, said he should have been impeached and claimed that he lied about WMDs to trick Americans into going to war. 8) He’s a conspiracy theorist: Before he started falsely claiming Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio weren’t eligible to be President, Trump was a birther who was publicly claiming Obama’s birth certificate was a fraud. 9) He’s way too comfy with the white supremacist movement: He has knowingly retweeted a white supremacist; by one count 62% of the people Trump retweets are white nationalists and there are now even white supremacist robocalls for Trump. It’s also not a shocker that David Duke is publicly supporting him by saying, “Voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage.” 10)Trump’s spokeswoman Katrina Pierson has said some really kooky things: Pierson bemoaned the fact that America is too reluctant to use nuclear weapons when she said, “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” She also tweeted out this creepy in an Aryan sort of way stupidity: “Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left?” She has also said the GOP is racist and has taken gratuitous swipes at Christians in general and Catholics in particular. There’s nobody you want as a nominee for anything who has someone like this as his spokesperson. 11) A man as thin skinned and vengeful as Trump can’t be trusted as President: Trump has written whole chapters of books that discuss how important it is to get revenge on people who cross him. If you trust a man who thinks like that with the FBI, DOJ, DHS, our military and the IRS, then you are either foolish or you just assume he won’t go after you and don’t care if he abuses his office to go after other people. 12) He’s a drama queen: One day he’s getting in a fight with Megyn Kelly; the next day he’s saying Carly Fiorina is ugly and the next thing you know, he has a back and forth going with the Pope. Trump’s like a five year old who will pull the cat’s tail, throw a ball through the window or curse in front of company as long it gets people looking at him. Good attention, bad attention, he doesn’t care. The same traits that make Donald Trump great on reality TV would make him temperamentally unfit to be President. 13) Trump is caught up in ongoing fraud trials over “Trump University:” There are two class action suits against Trump in California and the New York Attorney General has also filed suit against Trump over Trump University. One of the trials is scheduled to happen in August. So, right as the presidential campaign goes into full swing, the news will be full of stories about Trump and fraud. 14) Trump has extensive ties to the mob: According to a book written about him, “Throughout his adult life, Donald Trump has done business with major organized-crime figures and performed favors for their associates." 15) Trump was publicly supporting amnesty in 2013: Back when the gang of 8 amnesty bill was being discussed by Congress, Donald Trump who claims he’ll be tougher than anyone on illegal immigration was publicly calling for amnesty for illegal aliens. 16) Trump still supports citizenship for illegal aliens: Despite the fact that Trump is supposed to be tougher than anyone else on immigration, he’s in favor of rewarding many illegal aliens with American citizenship after they touch back in their home countries. 17) Trump doesn’t even make his OWN products in America: Trump claims he’s going to be tough on companies that move jobs overseas, but his own products are made in China and Mexico. Do people really think he’s going to crack down on his own businesses? 18) Trump’s country club in Florida rejects American workers for foreign labor: Donald Trump talks a good game about looking out for American workers, but in practice he has his products made overseas and he hires foreigners over Americans here in the states. Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., describes itself as “one of the most highly regarded private clubs in the world,” and it is not just the very-well-to-do who want to get in. Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired. In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries. 19) Trump loves Planned Parenthood:Although he claims to be pro-life, Donald Trump has repeatedly praised the baby-killing, baby-part-selling butchers at Planned Parenthood.After being criticized harshly for refusing to cut off funding for the organization, Trump now mixes praise of the organization with unbelievable claims that he will cut off its funding. Even Planned Parenthood doesn’t believe Trump will hurt them because the organization’s CEO Cecile Richards said she appreciated Trump’s“kind words.” 20) Trump can’t be trusted to pick a Supreme Court Justice: A non-conservative who has kind words for Planned Parenthood and who thought his radical, pro-abortion sister would make a great justice if she wasn’t related to him is not someone you want picking a replacement for Antonin Scalia. 21) Donald Trump is largely indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders on health care: If Trump were to somehow become President, Republicans would have to root for Obamacare to stay in place because what Trump wants to do is worse. Trump has been advocating government-controlled single payer health care for over 15 years. Trump is so ignorant about health care that he’s unable to discuss the subject intelligently, but even as he denies that he still wants single payer health care, he says that everyone is going to be covered and the government will pay for it. If you thought there couldn’t possibly be a bigger liar on health care than Barack Obama, then meet Donald Trump. 22) Eminent domain: Not only is Donald Trump in favor of having the government use the power of eminent domain to take property from private owners so it can be given to fatcats like him, he tried to use eminent domain to take a widow’s home away from her so it could be used as a limo parking lot. If you think Donald Trump is for the little guy, you’re a sucker. 23) Trump is making it clear he will undermine Israel: Here’s Trump on the conflict between the pro-American Israelis and the anti-American, genocidal, pro-terrorist Palestinians, "I don't want to get into it for a different reason, Joe, because if I do win, there has to be a certain amount of surprise, unpredictability. Let me be sort of a neutral guy, let's see what -- I'm going to give it a shot. It would be so great." Since when do conservatives back a President who doesn’t support Israel? 24) Trump isn’t a conservative and has no consistent ideological values: Trump has switched political parties 5 times in his life, was endorsing Democrats three years ago and his positions on the issues sometimes change week to week. 25) Trump was endorsing Democrats just three years ago: Michael Bloomberg is the foremost advocate of gun control in the United States and Bill De Blasio is an open Marxist. Yet, here’s what Trump was saying about them three years ago. "(Michael Bloomberg is) a friend of mine. He's been anexcellent mayor of New York City. He's a great guy and he means very well." (2013) “I think pretty strongly that(Bill de Blasio will) end up being a good mayor, maybe a very good mayorand I don’t think he’s going to want to kill the golden goose. ...I think he’s a smart guy that knows what’s going on really big league and I think he is not going to want to destroy New York. I think he is going to want to make New York great.” (2013) 26) He’s a Clinton Foundation donor: As was noted in the debate on Thursday night, it would be hard for Trump to make an issue of all the sleazy things that the Clinton Foundation was doing when he was one of its donors. 27) Trump has publicly talked about how wonderful Hillary Clinton is on multiple occasions: "(Hillary Clinton is) very talented, very smart.She's a friend of mine, so I'm a little prejudiced." (2007) “Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job.” "I know Hillary andI think she’d make a great president or vice-president." – 2008 Not only would these quotes help Hillary in an election, Trump’s shtick is always that he may have no idea what he’s talking about, but he’ll choose good people. Like Hillary? 28) He has the thumbs up from Jimmy Carter: “I think I would choose Trump, which may surprise some of you. The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable. I don’t think he has any fixed (positions) he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far-right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.” – Jimmy Carter on whom he’d like to see as the Republican nominee 29) Donald Trump has been a big supporter of the Democrat Party: Among the many, manyDemocrats Donald Trump has donated to are Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Walter Mondale. Trump even donated the maximum to Jimmy Carter when he ran against Ronald Reagan. 30) He doesn’t know anything about policy: I don’t know if it’s because he’s lazy, not interested in policy or just because he’s old and has difficulty learning new things, but Trump doesn’t know anything more than the most basic facts about any issue. He literally does not understand immigration, healthcare or foreign policy on anything more than the most superficial level. Trump would never hire a guy who doesn’t know what he is talking about to run one of his construction sites; so why should Americans hire a guy who’s completely ignorant of policy to be President? 31) Trump is a too old to be running for President: If he somehow wins, Donald Trump will be 70 years old when he takes office. That would make him the oldest man ever to be elected to the White House for the first time. 32) Trump has many failed business ventures: Trump gives people the impression that he always wins. Certainly he has had a lot of success, but he also failed over and over again in ventures he knows little about just like he will if he’s the GOP’s nominee. It will be one more failed business venture like Trump steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump the Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, Trump Airlines, Trump University, Trump Casinos and the New Jersey Generals. 33) Trump mocked prisoners of war: I don’t much care for John McCain, but Trump didn’t just insult McCain, he mocked every American prisoner of war when he said,“(John McCain is) not a war hero…. He’s a war hero because he was captured.I like people that weren’t captured.” There were a lot of American war heroes who served honorably and were captured. They shouldn’t be laughed at by a man who never even served in the military. 34) Donald Trump makes fun of the handicapped: What sort of man mocks people for being handicapped? Trump has done it at least twice. He made fun of Charles Krauthammer, who’s paralyzed, by saying, "I get called by a guy thatcan't buy a pair of pants, I get called names?" Trump also mocked the appearance of a New York Times reporter with a congenital joint condition. You’d be ashamed of your own child if he behaved this way; so how can you vote for a man like this? 35) Donald Trump would be the first President to have made money off of a strip club: Are you really going to be proud to tell your kids that you’re backing a guy who made money off of casinos and a strip club for President? 36) Trump cheated on his wife: Not only did cheat Trump on his wife, he BRAGGED about sleeping with married women in one of his books. 37) He’s made creepy comments about dating his daughter: Sorry, but this is just a gross, weird and completely inappropriate comment to make about your own child, “I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for Playboy], although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her.” Incidentally, he’s said things like this more than once. 38) Trump’s a phony Christian: There’s no such thing as an unrepentant adulterer who doesn’t ask God for forgiveness who also happens to be a Christian. Trump is so unfamiliar with the church that he doesn’t even know what an offering plate looks like. 39) Trump is a misogynist: Not only has Donald Trump said a lot of gross things about women in general, he also said, “You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” Hillary is going to accuse whoever the Republican nominee is of being sexist. If Trump’s the nominee, it will be true. 40) Last but not least, Trump’s an even more perfect example of narcissistic personality disorder than Barack Obama: I’ll just leave this description here so you can make your own judgment. An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met: Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply) Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her Arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted
where did you copy and paste that from Cruz.. and the highlighted part is bullcrap .. he said it at the debate.. and for you to spew that is wrong.. shameful .. and some others on your list is downright lies to.. good grief.. why not research and find out . | |
| | |
 BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Just READ what NTO posted. No more to add. This is more detailed than most people want. I suspect most people won't bother to read and try to understand....just a hunch. People don't generally read anymore these days. | |
| | |
Veteran
Posts: 127
Location: Nebraska | People hate Trump because it's the reasonable thing to do. I can't believe there are actually people supporting this nut job- he should have been put in the loony bin long ago.
The basic scoop: he's racist, he's sexist, he's hypocritical, he's hateful, he has NO political expertise, despite what he thinks he is NOT part of the working class but rather the financially elite. There's more- lists upon lists upon lists. He is the bane of everything America stands for and I cannot stress enough how incredibly terrible he is for the POTUS.
People voting for Trump aren't voting for what's best for their country. He's not going to build us up, he'll bring us down. I get it, all these candidates are awful, but even (ick) Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders are much better alternatives.
No comment on Clinton. | |
| | |
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 364
| LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:44 PM I guess why are the American people are opposing him? I think that is a good thing that he not part of these Washington crooks. I hope they don't try to shoot him! What's wrong with keeping our constitution? Please explain "The New World Order".
You might want to start listening to Alex Jones radio show. He's on every day. Just tune into www.infowars.com
All of your questions will be answered! | |
| | |
Warmblood with Wings
Posts: 27846
Location: Florida.. | RockyMountainRacer - 2016-05-02 10:31 PM People hate Trump because it's the reasonable thing to do. I can't believe there are actually people supporting this nut job- he should have been put in the loony bin long ago. The basic scoop: he's racist, he's sexist, he's hypocritical, he's hateful, he has NO political expertise, despite what he thinks he is NOT part of the working class but rather the financially elite. There's more- lists upon lists upon lists. He is the bane of everything America stands for and I cannot stress enough how incredibly terrible he is for the POTUS. People voting for Trump aren't voting for what's best for their country. He's not going to build us up, he'll bring us down. I get it, all these candidates are awful, but even (ick) Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders are much better alternatives. No comment on Clinton.
you lost crediblity when you typed Bernie.. | |
| | |
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-05-02 10:00 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2016-05-02 10:31 PM People hate Trump because it's the reasonable thing to do. I can't believe there are actually people supporting this nut job- he should have been put in the loony bin long ago. The basic scoop: he's racist, he's sexist, he's hypocritical, he's hateful, he has NO political expertise, despite what he thinks he is NOT part of the working class but rather the financially elite. There's more- lists upon lists upon lists. He is the bane of everything America stands for and I cannot stress enough how incredibly terrible he is for the POTUS. People voting for Trump aren't voting for what's best for their country. He's not going to build us up, he'll bring us down. I get it, all these candidates are awful, but even (ick) Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders are much better alternatives. No comment on Clinton. you lost crediblity when you typed Bernie..
Agreed Bibs.. I sure would not have typed that man.. He should have been left out along with old Mrs. Clinton. | |
| | |
Gettin Jiggy Wit It
Posts: 2734
| Bibliafarm - 2016-05-02 10:00 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2016-05-02 10:31 PM People hate Trump because it's the reasonable thing to do. I can't believe there are actually people supporting this nut job- he should have been put in the loony bin long ago. The basic scoop: he's racist, he's sexist, he's hypocritical, he's hateful, he has NO political expertise, despite what he thinks he is NOT part of the working class but rather the financially elite. There's more- lists upon lists upon lists. He is the bane of everything America stands for and I cannot stress enough how incredibly terrible he is for the POTUS. People voting for Trump aren't voting for what's best for their country. He's not going to build us up, he'll bring us down. I get it, all these candidates are awful, but even (ick) Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders are much better alternatives. No comment on Clinton. you lost crediblity when you typed Bernie..
Ol' Bernie .  | |
| | |
Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
Posts: 7264
| LP22654 - 2016-05-02 2:14 PM
Now what about Hillary Clinton? My personal take is she is crooked and the biggest liar on earth. You need to research what Bill did in Arkansas while he was Governor. She had her hands in it to. She has a mean streak in her that makes those KKK people look like Angels. Her e-mail scandal, Bengozi and that darn Clinton foundation, just to much for me. She is will finish destroying America if she is President. America is falling down and I hope God will have mercy on us! Lord help us!
Google "the Clinton Body count" - you will be shocked! I, for the life of me, can't understand why THAT B*TCH isn't in prison?? Obviously, she is above the law. | |
| | |
 Just a Yankee
Posts: 1237
Location: Some where I haven't left yet | Griz - 2016-05-03 3:20 AM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 2:14 PM Now what about Hillary Clinton? My personal take is she is crooked and the biggest liar on earth. You need to research what Bill did in Arkansas while he was Governor. She had her hands in it to. She has a mean streak in her that makes those KKK people look like Angels. Her e-mail scandal, Bengozi and that darn Clinton foundation, just to much for me. She is will finish destroying America if she is President. America is falling down and I hope God will have mercy on us! Lord help us! Google "the Clinton Body count" - you will be shocked! I, for the life of me, can't understand why THAT B*TCH isn't in prison?? Obviously, she is above the law.
^^^^ This, The body count following her is scary. Sanders is a bafoon at best with no concept of basic economics (hence the socialist and sooner or later you run out of other peoples money) Then on the other side you have Cruz and Trump. Cruz? I'm pretty on the fence so far, Trump is saying what many people want to hear, I appreciate him calling out the liberal media. But I can't help but wonder if somebody said "hey guess you can't be POTUS? HaHa" and This is a Hold my Beer and Watch THIS moment, with an Oh **** I'm popular now what do I do? | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | RockyMountainRacer - 2016-05-02 10:31 PM People hate Trump because it's the reasonable thing to do. I can't believe there are actually people supporting this nut job- he should have been put in the loony bin long ago. The basic scoop: he's racist, he's sexist, he's hypocritical, he's hateful, he has NO political expertise, despite what he thinks he is NOT part of the working class but rather the financially elite. There's more- lists upon lists upon lists. He is the bane of everything America stands for and I cannot stress enough how incredibly terrible he is for the POTUS. People voting for Trump aren't voting for what's best for their country. He's not going to build us up, he'll bring us down. I get it, all these candidates are awful, but even (ick) Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders are much better alternatives. No comment on Clinton.
Explain to me how a self proclaimed Socialist--Bernie Sanders is better then Trump ??? | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | "Free" college education for everyone. That alone should tell anyone all they need to know about the Progressive movement. We already have an avenue available for free college education. It's called the "GI Bill". The last thing we need is "free college". Most college kids nowadays can't seem to get a four year degree in 4 years the way it is. Many stretch it out to 5-6 years, even more. If we start giving away free college, watch what happens. You'll see even more 25, 26, 27 year olds still going to college for 4 year degrees in anthropology and archeology. | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | Bear - 2016-05-03 8:49 AM "Free" college education for everyone. That alone should tell anyone all they need to know about the Progressive movement. We already have an avenue available for free college education. It's called the "GI Bill". The last thing we need is "free college". Most college kids nowadays can't seem to get a four year degree in 4 years the way it is. Many stretch it out to 5-6 years, even more. If we start giving away free college, watch what happens. You'll see even more 25, 26, 27 year olds still going to college for 4 year degrees in anthropology and archeology.
NOBODY appreciates anything that is "FREE". Do these kids that are loving the idea of FREE COLLEGE not understand that they would be the one eventually paying for it once the get into the working class----makes me want to beat my head against a wall. | |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 1395
Location: Missouri | Mighty Broke - 2016-05-03 7:37 AM
RockyMountainRacer - 2016-05-02 10:31 PM People hate Trump because it's the reasonable thing to do. I can't believe there are actually people supporting this nut job- he should have been put in the loony bin long ago. The basic scoop: he's racist, he's sexist, he's hypocritical, he's hateful, he has NO political expertise, despite what he thinks he is NOT part of the working class but rather the financially elite. There's more- lists upon lists upon lists. He is the bane of everything America stands for and I cannot stress enough how incredibly terrible he is for the POTUS. People voting for Trump aren't voting for what's best for their country. He's not going to build us up, he'll bring us down. I get it, all these candidates are awful, but even (ick) Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders are much better alternatives. No comment on Clinton.
Explain to me how a self proclaimed Socialist--Bernie Sanders is better then Trump ???
Same question? Not asking to be rude but because I genuinely don't understand what makes Bernie's socialist policies even remotely appealing? Bis economic policies are going to do nothing but absolutely cripple the middle class.. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | Anyone supporting a liberal candidate is supporting open borders. I hope you were watching Trump's rally where the families of U.S. citizens killed by illegals formed the background of his speech. Kate Steinle was shot by an illegal on a San Francisco pier. She was a beautiful 32 year old out walking with her dad. The killer had been deported five times. Bill O'Reilly quickly endeavored to encourage our lawmakers to create "Kate's Law" the idea being any criminal who is deported and comes back to the U.S. has to serve at least five years in prison. Great idea stomped on by the ridiculous Harry Reid.
You liberals have absolutely no idea how many of these people are coming here in droves everday. They're coming by the busload up the Kansas turnpike headed for sanctuary communites and immediate welfare, food stamps and free medical. Liberals see them only as future Democrats which is exactly what they will be.
And by the way liberals, did you know illegals are drawing our Social Security compliments of Obama's Dream Act. Thanks Democrats. | |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | Bibliafarm - 2016-05-02 9:13 PM
oija - 2016-05-02 2:48 PM Let's try again shall we. 40 Reasons Not To Vote For Donald Trump 1) Trump has favorability ratings that make him unelectable: The American public is very familiar with Donald Trump and people hate his guts. Trump’s current favorable/unfavorable rating is 34/58. Just as a point of comparison, the two biggest landslides in history were against Jimmy Carter (33/58) and Walter Mondale (34/40). Trump is so unpopular with the general electorate that we might as well be running Jared Fogle or Bill Cosby. 2) Trump consistently loses to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls: Given that so many people know Trump and already dislike him, it’s hard to understand why anyone thinks he’ll win in November. That’s especially true since the public already knows both him and Hillary Clinton well and he consistently loses to her in head-to-head match-ups.Hillary has 20 wins, 4 losses and 1 tie against Trump over the last 25 polls.Those numbers are more likely to get worse than get better. 3) Huge Republican defections are possible: Trump’s toxic, he’s not a conservative and he has personally insulted an enormous number of people on the Right. There will be more Republicans who won’t vote for him than for any other Republican nominee in recent history. In fact, it wouldn’t be a shock if there are significant numbers of prominent Republicans who back a third party candidate or otherwise try to deliberately undermine his campaign. CARTOONS | Steve Breen View Cartoon 4) He won’t be financially competitive in a general election: Hillary Clinton and the Super PACs supporting her will probably spend north of 2.5 billion dollars against Donald Trump. Trump has no Super Pacs and has made not taking money from big donors a centerpiece of his campaign. If you take away the value of his name, Trump would probably have to liquidate his entire fortune to compete financially with Hillary. Even if that were possible, which it’s not, Trump has been very reluctant to spend his money. He even admits that he doesn’t know how he’d fund his campaign in a general election. 5) Trump’s strategy is entirely dependent on the mainstream media: Liberals in the mainstream media have been giving Trump a free ride because they think he’ll be easy to beat in the general election. The day he becomes the nominee, they’ll turn on him just like they did with John McCain and he’ll face hostile treatment in every media venue. The moment that happens, Trump’s core campaign strategy will no longer work. 6) He makes gaffes: He’s the single most gaffe prone candidate in history. He says something dumb enough to end a normal candidate’s campaign every other week. Not only will his gaffes be used against him in a general election, he’ll regularly make more because that’s just what he does. Not only will that hurt his campaign for President, it will help wash out other GOP candidates who will regularly be forced to respond to the latest stupid thing he’s said. 7) He claimed George W. Bush lied about WMDS: Trump is indistinguishable from Michael Moore and Code Pink on the war in Iraq. Trump said Bush was the worst President in history, said he should have been impeached and claimed that he lied about WMDs to trick Americans into going to war. 8) He’s a conspiracy theorist: Before he started falsely claiming Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio weren’t eligible to be President, Trump was a birther who was publicly claiming Obama’s birth certificate was a fraud. 9) He’s way too comfy with the white supremacist movement: He has knowingly retweeted a white supremacist; by one count 62% of the people Trump retweets are white nationalists and there are now even white supremacist robocalls for Trump. It’s also not a shocker that David Duke is publicly supporting him by saying, “Voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage.” 10)Trump’s spokeswoman Katrina Pierson has said some really kooky things: Pierson bemoaned the fact that America is too reluctant to use nuclear weapons when she said, “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” She also tweeted out this creepy in an Aryan sort of way stupidity: “Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left?” She has also said the GOP is racist and has taken gratuitous swipes at Christians in general and Catholics in particular. There’s nobody you want as a nominee for anything who has someone like this as his spokesperson. 11) A man as thin skinned and vengeful as Trump can’t be trusted as President: Trump has written whole chapters of books that discuss how important it is to get revenge on people who cross him. If you trust a man who thinks like that with the FBI, DOJ, DHS, our military and the IRS, then you are either foolish or you just assume he won’t go after you and don’t care if he abuses his office to go after other people. 12) He’s a drama queen: One day he’s getting in a fight with Megyn Kelly; the next day he’s saying Carly Fiorina is ugly and the next thing you know, he has a back and forth going with the Pope. Trump’s like a five year old who will pull the cat’s tail, throw a ball through the window or curse in front of company as long it gets people looking at him. Good attention, bad attention, he doesn’t care. The same traits that make Donald Trump great on reality TV would make him temperamentally unfit to be President. 13) Trump is caught up in ongoing fraud trials over “Trump University:” There are two class action suits against Trump in California and the New York Attorney General has also filed suit against Trump over Trump University. One of the trials is scheduled to happen in August. So, right as the presidential campaign goes into full swing, the news will be full of stories about Trump and fraud. 14) Trump has extensive ties to the mob: According to a book written about him, “Throughout his adult life, Donald Trump has done business with major organized-crime figures and performed favors for their associates." 15) Trump was publicly supporting amnesty in 2013: Back when the gang of 8 amnesty bill was being discussed by Congress, Donald Trump who claims he’ll be tougher than anyone on illegal immigration was publicly calling for amnesty for illegal aliens. 16) Trump still supports citizenship for illegal aliens: Despite the fact that Trump is supposed to be tougher than anyone else on immigration, he’s in favor of rewarding many illegal aliens with American citizenship after they touch back in their home countries. 17) Trump doesn’t even make his OWN products in America: Trump claims he’s going to be tough on companies that move jobs overseas, but his own products are made in China and Mexico. Do people really think he’s going to crack down on his own businesses? 18) Trump’s country club in Florida rejects American workers for foreign labor: Donald Trump talks a good game about looking out for American workers, but in practice he has his products made overseas and he hires foreigners over Americans here in the states. Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., describes itself as “one of the most highly regarded private clubs in the world,” and it is not just the very-well-to-do who want to get in. Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired. In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries. 19) Trump loves Planned Parenthood:Although he claims to be pro-life, Donald Trump has repeatedly praised the baby-killing, baby-part-selling butchers at Planned Parenthood.After being criticized harshly for refusing to cut off funding for the organization, Trump now mixes praise of the organization with unbelievable claims that he will cut off its funding. Even Planned Parenthood doesn’t believe Trump will hurt them because the organization’s CEO Cecile Richards said she appreciated Trump’s“kind words.” 20) Trump can’t be trusted to pick a Supreme Court Justice: A non-conservative who has kind words for Planned Parenthood and who thought his radical, pro-abortion sister would make a great justice if she wasn’t related to him is not someone you want picking a replacement for Antonin Scalia. 21) Donald Trump is largely indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders on health care: If Trump were to somehow become President, Republicans would have to root for Obamacare to stay in place because what Trump wants to do is worse. Trump has been advocating government-controlled single payer health care for over 15 years. Trump is so ignorant about health care that he’s unable to discuss the subject intelligently, but even as he denies that he still wants single payer health care, he says that everyone is going to be covered and the government will pay for it. If you thought there couldn’t possibly be a bigger liar on health care than Barack Obama, then meet Donald Trump. 22) Eminent domain: Not only is Donald Trump in favor of having the government use the power of eminent domain to take property from private owners so it can be given to fatcats like him, he tried to use eminent domain to take a widow’s home away from her so it could be used as a limo parking lot. If you think Donald Trump is for the little guy, you’re a sucker. 23) Trump is making it clear he will undermine Israel: Here’s Trump on the conflict between the pro-American Israelis and the anti-American, genocidal, pro-terrorist Palestinians, "I don't want to get into it for a different reason, Joe, because if I do win, there has to be a certain amount of surprise, unpredictability. Let me be sort of a neutral guy, let's see what -- I'm going to give it a shot. It would be so great." Since when do conservatives back a President who doesn’t support Israel? 24) Trump isn’t a conservative and has no consistent ideological values: Trump has switched political parties 5 times in his life, was endorsing Democrats three years ago and his positions on the issues sometimes change week to week. 25) Trump was endorsing Democrats just three years ago: Michael Bloomberg is the foremost advocate of gun control in the United States and Bill De Blasio is an open Marxist. Yet, here’s what Trump was saying about them three years ago. "(Michael Bloomberg is) a friend of mine. He's been anexcellent mayor of New York City. He's a great guy and he means very well." (2013) “I think pretty strongly that(Bill de Blasio will) end up being a good mayor, maybe a very good mayorand I don’t think he’s going to want to kill the golden goose. ...I think he’s a smart guy that knows what’s going on really big league and I think he is not going to want to destroy New York. I think he is going to want to make New York great.” (2013) 26) He’s a Clinton Foundation donor: As was noted in the debate on Thursday night, it would be hard for Trump to make an issue of all the sleazy things that the Clinton Foundation was doing when he was one of its donors. 27) Trump has publicly talked about how wonderful Hillary Clinton is on multiple occasions: "(Hillary Clinton is) very talented, very smart.She's a friend of mine, so I'm a little prejudiced." (2007) “Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job.” "I know Hillary andI think she’d make a great president or vice-president." – 2008 Not only would these quotes help Hillary in an election, Trump’s shtick is always that he may have no idea what he’s talking about, but he’ll choose good people. Like Hillary? 28) He has the thumbs up from Jimmy Carter: “I think I would choose Trump, which may surprise some of you. The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable. I don’t think he has any fixed (positions) he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far-right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.” – Jimmy Carter on whom he’d like to see as the Republican nominee 29) Donald Trump has been a big supporter of the Democrat Party: Among the many, manyDemocrats Donald Trump has donated to are Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Walter Mondale. Trump even donated the maximum to Jimmy Carter when he ran against Ronald Reagan. 30) He doesn’t know anything about policy: I don’t know if it’s because he’s lazy, not interested in policy or just because he’s old and has difficulty learning new things, but Trump doesn’t know anything more than the most basic facts about any issue. He literally does not understand immigration, healthcare or foreign policy on anything more than the most superficial level. Trump would never hire a guy who doesn’t know what he is talking about to run one of his construction sites; so why should Americans hire a guy who’s completely ignorant of policy to be President? 31) Trump is a too old to be running for President: If he somehow wins, Donald Trump will be 70 years old when he takes office. That would make him the oldest man ever to be elected to the White House for the first time. 32) Trump has many failed business ventures: Trump gives people the impression that he always wins. Certainly he has had a lot of success, but he also failed over and over again in ventures he knows little about just like he will if he’s the GOP’s nominee. It will be one more failed business venture like Trump steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump the Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, Trump Airlines, Trump University, Trump Casinos and the New Jersey Generals. 33) Trump mocked prisoners of war: I don’t much care for John McCain, but Trump didn’t just insult McCain, he mocked every American prisoner of war when he said,“(John McCain is) not a war hero…. He’s a war hero because he was captured.I like people that weren’t captured.” There were a lot of American war heroes who served honorably and were captured. They shouldn’t be laughed at by a man who never even served in the military. 34) Donald Trump makes fun of the handicapped: What sort of man mocks people for being handicapped? Trump has done it at least twice. He made fun of Charles Krauthammer, who’s paralyzed, by saying, "I get called by a guy thatcan't buy a pair of pants, I get called names?" Trump also mocked the appearance of a New York Times reporter with a congenital joint condition. You’d be ashamed of your own child if he behaved this way; so how can you vote for a man like this? 35) Donald Trump would be the first President to have made money off of a strip club: Are you really going to be proud to tell your kids that you’re backing a guy who made money off of casinos and a strip club for President? 36) Trump cheated on his wife: Not only did cheat Trump on his wife, he BRAGGED about sleeping with married women in one of his books. 37) He’s made creepy comments about dating his daughter: Sorry, but this is just a gross, weird and completely inappropriate comment to make about your own child, “I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for Playboy], although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her.” Incidentally, he’s said things like this more than once. 38) Trump’s a phony Christian: There’s no such thing as an unrepentant adulterer who doesn’t ask God for forgiveness who also happens to be a Christian. Trump is so unfamiliar with the church that he doesn’t even know what an offering plate looks like. 39) Trump is a misogynist: Not only has Donald Trump said a lot of gross things about women in general, he also said, “You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” Hillary is going to accuse whoever the Republican nominee is of being sexist. If Trump’s the nominee, it will be true. 40) Last but not least, Trump’s an even more perfect example of narcissistic personality disorder than Barack Obama: I’ll just leave this description here so you can make your own judgment. An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met: Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply) Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her Arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted
where did you copy and paste that from Cruz.. and the highlighted part is bullcrap .. he said it at the debate.. and for you to spew that is wrong.. shameful .. and some others on your list is downright lies to.. good grief.. why not research and find out .
Bibliafarm. This is a copy/paste sure enough. The link to the Townhall article is on the first page. The OP was asking why people do not want to vote for Trump. This article summed up a lot of reasons people say. And yet nobody bothered to look at it so I just moved the whole thing over. It answers the OPs question. If the OP didn't want anyone to offer an answer, they should not have posted. IMO, when one asks a question like this it should not be simply to confirm one's existing opinion but to critically think about all perspectives. You and anyone else on the board have the right to agree or disagree with it. If you have an issue with the article, please do comment on the original townhall post. Attacking me will hardly serve you in that regard as I did not write it and never claimed to. Nonetheless the article has spurred some useful debate and hopefully got people thinking. I was just answering the OPs question with the research I did do. The original article is also fully hyperlinked with the author's research. You may feel free to explore it more at your own leisure too. Please feel free to google "why you shouldn't vote for Trump" and see what you come up with. There are plenty of reasons good thoughtful people refuse to vote for him. This is only one list of reasons. | |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2016-05-03 7:49 AM "Free" college education for everyone. That alone should tell anyone all they need to know about the Progressive movement. We already have an avenue available for free college education. It's called the "GI Bill". The last thing we need is "free college". Most college kids nowadays can't seem to get a four year degree in 4 years the way it is. Many stretch it out to 5-6 years, even more. If we start giving away free college, watch what happens. You'll see even more 25, 26, 27 year olds still going to college for 4 year degrees in anthropology and archeology.
The state of TN already offers free college to high school graduates. And I think the state of Oregon is going to start a program. I would really like to hear from any BBs in TN about how the program is working in their state? | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | NJJ - 2016-05-03 10:03 AM Bear - 2016-05-03 7:49 AM "Free" college education for everyone. That alone should tell anyone all they need to know about the Progressive movement. We already have an avenue available for free college education. It's called the "GI Bill". The last thing we need is "free college". Most college kids nowadays can't seem to get a four year degree in 4 years the way it is. Many stretch it out to 5-6 years, even more. If we start giving away free college, watch what happens. You'll see even more 25, 26, 27 year olds still going to college for 4 year degrees in anthropology and archeology. The state of TN already offers free college to high school graduates. And I think the state of Oregon is going to start a program. I would really like to hear from any BBs in TN about how the program is working in their state?
You know the Age Old Saying right ???? Nothing is FREE. | |
| | |
 Go Your Own Way
Posts: 4947
Location: SE KS | I also feel the media helps to elect whom they want to be president. My thinking is the polls: Polls showing the Trump can't beat Hillary - I think the people are speaking and the media is scared. Trumps number and the people that have came out to vote is impressive.
I like the fact that he is not polictically correct, he is blunt, and I feel we need a shake up at the old White House.
| |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | oija - 2016-05-03 8:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-05-02 9:13 PM oija - 2016-05-02 2:48 PML. 19) Trump loves Planned Parenthood:Although he claims to be pro-life, Donald Trump has repeatedly praised the baby-killing, baby-part-selling butchers at Planned Parenthood.After being criticized harshly for refusing to cut off funding for the organization, Trump now mixes praise of the organization with unbelievable claims that he will cut off its funding. Even Planned Parenthood doesn’t believe Trump will hurt them because the organization’s CEO Cecile Richards said she appreciated Trump’s“kind words.” where did you copy and paste that from Cruz.. and the highlighted part is bullcrap .. he said it at the debate.. and for you to spew that is wrong.. shameful .. and some others on your list is downright lies to.. good grief.. why not research and find out . Bibliafarm. This is a copy/paste sure enough. The link to the Townhall article is on the first page. The OP was asking why people do not want to vote for Trump. This article summed up a lot of reasons people say. And yet nobody bothered to look at it so I just moved the whole thing over. It answers the OPs question. If the OP didn't want anyone to offer an answer, they should not have posted. IMO, when one asks a question like this it should not be simply to confirm one's existing opinion but to critically think about all perspectives. You and anyone else on the board have the right to agree or disagree with it. If you have an issue with the article, please do comment on the original townhall post. Attacking me will hardly serve you in that regard as I did not write it and never claimed to. Nonetheless the article has spurred some useful debate and hopefully got people thinking. I was just answering the OPs question with the research I did do. The original article is also fully hyperlinked with the author's research. You may feel free to explore it more at your own leisure too. Please feel free to google "why you shouldn't vote for Trump" and see what you come up with. There are plenty of reasons good thoughtful people refuse to vote for him. This is only one list of reasons.
Edited by NJJ 2016-05-03 10:05 AM
| |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | Mighty Broke - 2016-05-03 9:11 AM NJJ - 2016-05-03 10:03 AM Bear - 2016-05-03 7:49 AM "Free" college education for everyone. That alone should tell anyone all they need to know about the Progressive movement. We already have an avenue available for free college education. It's called the "GI Bill". The last thing we need is "free college". Most college kids nowadays can't seem to get a four year degree in 4 years the way it is. Many stretch it out to 5-6 years, even more. If we start giving away free college, watch what happens. You'll see even more 25, 26, 27 year olds still going to college for 4 year degrees in anthropology and archeology. The state of TN already offers free college to high school graduates. And I think the state of Oregon is going to start a program. I would really like to hear from any BBs in TN about how the program is working in their state?
That's WHY I asked for input from TN BBs....did their taxes go up...how was this financed? If money was taken from some other program to pay for it....GOOD! There are a LOT of worthless programs out there that could be dropped......I don't see a problem with trying to educate our youth! (Not a Bernie Sanders supporter) | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | NJJ - 2016-05-03 10:43 AM Mighty Broke - 2016-05-03 9:11 AM NJJ - 2016-05-03 10:03 AM Bear - 2016-05-03 7:49 AM "Free" college education for everyone. That alone should tell anyone all they need to know about the Progressive movement. We already have an avenue available for free college education. It's called the "GI Bill". The last thing we need is "free college". Most college kids nowadays can't seem to get a four year degree in 4 years the way it is. Many stretch it out to 5-6 years, even more. If we start giving away free college, watch what happens. You'll see even more 25, 26, 27 year olds still going to college for 4 year degrees in anthropology and archeology. The state of TN already offers free college to high school graduates. And I think the state of Oregon is going to start a program. I would really like to hear from any BBs in TN about how the program is working in their state?
Good Points and I actually agree with Bernie that it is ridiculous for a college t be this expensive---it is out of hand but I do not agree with his solutions. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2016-05-03 9:43 AM
Mighty Broke - 2016-05-03 9:11 AM NJJ - 2016-05-03 10:03 AM Bear - 2016-05-03 7:49 AM "Free" college education for everyone. That alone should tell anyone all they need to know about the Progressive movement. We already have an avenue available for free college education. It's called the "GI Bill". The last thing we need is "free college". Most college kids nowadays can't seem to get a four year degree in 4 years the way it is. Many stretch it out to 5-6 years, even more. If we start giving away free college, watch what happens. You'll see even more 25, 26, 27 year olds still going to college for 4 year degrees in anthropology and archeology. The state of TN already offers free college to high school graduates. And I think the state of Oregon is going to start a program. I would really like to hear from any BBs in TN about how the program is working in their state?
That's old news, and not even remotely close to what Bernie Sanders is proposing. | |
| | |
| The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket.
Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people.
| |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Trump is winning in spite of a good many things he has said and done in the past and in spite of his many politically incorrect remarks that made nearly everyone cringe. You have to ask yourselves why.
He's defeated every one of the 17 candidates the GOP has thrown at him, and he has blown them all away handily. Why? When this started last summer people were giddy at all the talented people running. Trump was just a funny little side show at the time.
| |
| | |
 Hugs to You
Posts: 7550
Location: In The Land of Cotton | NJJ - 2016-05-03 10:03 AM Bear - 2016-05-03 7:49 AM "Free" college education for everyone. That alone should tell anyone all they need to know about the Progressive movement. We already have an avenue available for free college education. It's called the "GI Bill". The last thing we need is "free college". Most college kids nowadays can't seem to get a four year degree in 4 years the way it is. Many stretch it out to 5-6 years, even more. If we start giving away free college, watch what happens. You'll see even more 25, 26, 27 year olds still going to college for 4 year degrees in anthropology and archeology. The state of TN already offers free college to high school graduates. And I think the state of Oregon is going to start a program. I would really like to hear from any BBs in TN about how the program is working in their state?
GA does too. You just have to maintain a 3.0 in high school. ANd, acutally now you can get college credits when you are in high school. Just pass your classes. Strange concept to work for something, isn't it? | |
| | |
Dancing in my Mind
Posts: 3062
Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Nevertooold - 2016-05-02 8:52 PM
Rolling J - 2016-05-02 8:30 PM Thanks Nevertoold for all the info. Now just have to find time to read it all. Love BHW...always learning something
People keep saying he doesn't have any plans, well he does and there is no way he would have time on TV to go down and list all of this info and most people really don't care anyway..
Obama got elected because he was black and tried to act cool..LOL
I agree 100%. I half joke the first person I hear say "I am voting for Hillary because she is a woman" I going be in the county jail for slapping the sh** out of them
Edited by Rolling J 2016-05-03 11:25 AM
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM
The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket.
Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people.
Ignorance is bliss.
Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids. | |
| | |
Warmblood with Wings
Posts: 27846
Location: Florida.. | oija - 2016-05-03 9:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-05-02 9:13 PM oija - 2016-05-02 2:48 PM Let's try again shall we. 40 Reasons Not To Vote For Donald Trump 1) Trump has favorability ratings that make him unelectable: The American public is very familiar with Donald Trump and people hate his guts. Trump’s current favorable/unfavorable rating is 34/58. Just as a point of comparison, the two biggest landslides in history were against Jimmy Carter (33/58) and Walter Mondale (34/40). Trump is so unpopular with the general electorate that we might as well be running Jared Fogle or Bill Cosby. 2) Trump consistently loses to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls: Given that so many people know Trump and already dislike him, it’s hard to understand why anyone thinks he’ll win in November. That’s especially true since the public already knows both him and Hillary Clinton well and he consistently loses to her in head-to-head match-ups.Hillary has 20 wins, 4 losses and 1 tie against Trump over the last 25 polls.Those numbers are more likely to get worse than get better. 3) Huge Republican defections are possible: Trump’s toxic, he’s not a conservative and he has personally insulted an enormous number of people on the Right. There will be more Republicans who won’t vote for him than for any other Republican nominee in recent history. In fact, it wouldn’t be a shock if there are significant numbers of prominent Republicans who back a third party candidate or otherwise try to deliberately undermine his campaign. CARTOONS | Steve Breen View Cartoon 4) He won’t be financially competitive in a general election: Hillary Clinton and the Super PACs supporting her will probably spend north of 2.5 billion dollars against Donald Trump. Trump has no Super Pacs and has made not taking money from big donors a centerpiece of his campaign. If you take away the value of his name, Trump would probably have to liquidate his entire fortune to compete financially with Hillary. Even if that were possible, which it’s not, Trump has been very reluctant to spend his money. He even admits that he doesn’t know how he’d fund his campaign in a general election. 5) Trump’s strategy is entirely dependent on the mainstream media: Liberals in the mainstream media have been giving Trump a free ride because they think he’ll be easy to beat in the general election. The day he becomes the nominee, they’ll turn on him just like they did with John McCain and he’ll face hostile treatment in every media venue. The moment that happens, Trump’s core campaign strategy will no longer work. 6) He makes gaffes: He’s the single most gaffe prone candidate in history. He says something dumb enough to end a normal candidate’s campaign every other week. Not only will his gaffes be used against him in a general election, he’ll regularly make more because that’s just what he does. Not only will that hurt his campaign for President, it will help wash out other GOP candidates who will regularly be forced to respond to the latest stupid thing he’s said. 7) He claimed George W. Bush lied about WMDS: Trump is indistinguishable from Michael Moore and Code Pink on the war in Iraq. Trump said Bush was the worst President in history, said he should have been impeached and claimed that he lied about WMDs to trick Americans into going to war. 8) He’s a conspiracy theorist: Before he started falsely claiming Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio weren’t eligible to be President, Trump was a birther who was publicly claiming Obama’s birth certificate was a fraud. 9) He’s way too comfy with the white supremacist movement: He has knowingly retweeted a white supremacist; by one count 62% of the people Trump retweets are white nationalists and there are now even white supremacist robocalls for Trump. It’s also not a shocker that David Duke is publicly supporting him by saying, “Voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage.” 10)Trump’s spokeswoman Katrina Pierson has said some really kooky things: Pierson bemoaned the fact that America is too reluctant to use nuclear weapons when she said, “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” She also tweeted out this creepy in an Aryan sort of way stupidity: “Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left?” She has also said the GOP is racist and has taken gratuitous swipes at Christians in general and Catholics in particular. There’s nobody you want as a nominee for anything who has someone like this as his spokesperson. 11) A man as thin skinned and vengeful as Trump can’t be trusted as President: Trump has written whole chapters of books that discuss how important it is to get revenge on people who cross him. If you trust a man who thinks like that with the FBI, DOJ, DHS, our military and the IRS, then you are either foolish or you just assume he won’t go after you and don’t care if he abuses his office to go after other people. 12) He’s a drama queen: One day he’s getting in a fight with Megyn Kelly; the next day he’s saying Carly Fiorina is ugly and the next thing you know, he has a back and forth going with the Pope. Trump’s like a five year old who will pull the cat’s tail, throw a ball through the window or curse in front of company as long it gets people looking at him. Good attention, bad attention, he doesn’t care. The same traits that make Donald Trump great on reality TV would make him temperamentally unfit to be President. 13) Trump is caught up in ongoing fraud trials over “Trump University:” There are two class action suits against Trump in California and the New York Attorney General has also filed suit against Trump over Trump University. One of the trials is scheduled to happen in August. So, right as the presidential campaign goes into full swing, the news will be full of stories about Trump and fraud. 14) Trump has extensive ties to the mob: According to a book written about him, “Throughout his adult life, Donald Trump has done business with major organized-crime figures and performed favors for their associates." 15) Trump was publicly supporting amnesty in 2013: Back when the gang of 8 amnesty bill was being discussed by Congress, Donald Trump who claims he’ll be tougher than anyone on illegal immigration was publicly calling for amnesty for illegal aliens. 16) Trump still supports citizenship for illegal aliens: Despite the fact that Trump is supposed to be tougher than anyone else on immigration, he’s in favor of rewarding many illegal aliens with American citizenship after they touch back in their home countries. 17) Trump doesn’t even make his OWN products in America: Trump claims he’s going to be tough on companies that move jobs overseas, but his own products are made in China and Mexico. Do people really think he’s going to crack down on his own businesses? 18) Trump’s country club in Florida rejects American workers for foreign labor: Donald Trump talks a good game about looking out for American workers, but in practice he has his products made overseas and he hires foreigners over Americans here in the states. Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., describes itself as “one of the most highly regarded private clubs in the world,” and it is not just the very-well-to-do who want to get in. Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired. In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries. 19) Trump loves Planned Parenthood:Although he claims to be pro-life, Donald Trump has repeatedly praised the baby-killing, baby-part-selling butchers at Planned Parenthood.After being criticized harshly for refusing to cut off funding for the organization, Trump now mixes praise of the organization with unbelievable claims that he will cut off its funding. Even Planned Parenthood doesn’t believe Trump will hurt them because the organization’s CEO Cecile Richards said she appreciated Trump’s“kind words.” 20) Trump can’t be trusted to pick a Supreme Court Justice: A non-conservative who has kind words for Planned Parenthood and who thought his radical, pro-abortion sister would make a great justice if she wasn’t related to him is not someone you want picking a replacement for Antonin Scalia. 21) Donald Trump is largely indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders on health care: If Trump were to somehow become President, Republicans would have to root for Obamacare to stay in place because what Trump wants to do is worse. Trump has been advocating government-controlled single payer health care for over 15 years. Trump is so ignorant about health care that he’s unable to discuss the subject intelligently, but even as he denies that he still wants single payer health care, he says that everyone is going to be covered and the government will pay for it. If you thought there couldn’t possibly be a bigger liar on health care than Barack Obama, then meet Donald Trump. 22) Eminent domain: Not only is Donald Trump in favor of having the government use the power of eminent domain to take property from private owners so it can be given to fatcats like him, he tried to use eminent domain to take a widow’s home away from her so it could be used as a limo parking lot. If you think Donald Trump is for the little guy, you’re a sucker. 23) Trump is making it clear he will undermine Israel: Here’s Trump on the conflict between the pro-American Israelis and the anti-American, genocidal, pro-terrorist Palestinians, "I don't want to get into it for a different reason, Joe, because if I do win, there has to be a certain amount of surprise, unpredictability. Let me be sort of a neutral guy, let's see what -- I'm going to give it a shot. It would be so great." Since when do conservatives back a President who doesn’t support Israel? 24) Trump isn’t a conservative and has no consistent ideological values: Trump has switched political parties 5 times in his life, was endorsing Democrats three years ago and his positions on the issues sometimes change week to week. 25) Trump was endorsing Democrats just three years ago: Michael Bloomberg is the foremost advocate of gun control in the United States and Bill De Blasio is an open Marxist. Yet, here’s what Trump was saying about them three years ago. "(Michael Bloomberg is) a friend of mine. He's been anexcellent mayor of New York City. He's a great guy and he means very well." (2013) “I think pretty strongly that(Bill de Blasio will) end up being a good mayor, maybe a very good mayorand I don’t think he’s going to want to kill the golden goose. ...I think he’s a smart guy that knows what’s going on really big league and I think he is not going to want to destroy New York. I think he is going to want to make New York great.” (2013) 26) He’s a Clinton Foundation donor: As was noted in the debate on Thursday night, it would be hard for Trump to make an issue of all the sleazy things that the Clinton Foundation was doing when he was one of its donors. 27) Trump has publicly talked about how wonderful Hillary Clinton is on multiple occasions: "(Hillary Clinton is) very talented, very smart.She's a friend of mine, so I'm a little prejudiced." (2007) “Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job.” "I know Hillary andI think she’d make a great president or vice-president." – 2008 Not only would these quotes help Hillary in an election, Trump’s shtick is always that he may have no idea what he’s talking about, but he’ll choose good people. Like Hillary? 28) He has the thumbs up from Jimmy Carter: “I think I would choose Trump, which may surprise some of you. The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable. I don’t think he has any fixed (positions) he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far-right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.” – Jimmy Carter on whom he’d like to see as the Republican nominee 29) Donald Trump has been a big supporter of the Democrat Party: Among the many, manyDemocrats Donald Trump has donated to are Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Walter Mondale. Trump even donated the maximum to Jimmy Carter when he ran against Ronald Reagan. 30) He doesn’t know anything about policy: I don’t know if it’s because he’s lazy, not interested in policy or just because he’s old and has difficulty learning new things, but Trump doesn’t know anything more than the most basic facts about any issue. He literally does not understand immigration, healthcare or foreign policy on anything more than the most superficial level. Trump would never hire a guy who doesn’t know what he is talking about to run one of his construction sites; so why should Americans hire a guy who’s completely ignorant of policy to be President? 31) Trump is a too old to be running for President: If he somehow wins, Donald Trump will be 70 years old when he takes office. That would make him the oldest man ever to be elected to the White House for the first time. 32) Trump has many failed business ventures: Trump gives people the impression that he always wins. Certainly he has had a lot of success, but he also failed over and over again in ventures he knows little about just like he will if he’s the GOP’s nominee. It will be one more failed business venture like Trump steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump the Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, Trump Airlines, Trump University, Trump Casinos and the New Jersey Generals. 33) Trump mocked prisoners of war: I don’t much care for John McCain, but Trump didn’t just insult McCain, he mocked every American prisoner of war when he said,“(John McCain is) not a war hero…. He’s a war hero because he was captured.I like people that weren’t captured.” There were a lot of American war heroes who served honorably and were captured. They shouldn’t be laughed at by a man who never even served in the military. 34) Donald Trump makes fun of the handicapped: What sort of man mocks people for being handicapped? Trump has done it at least twice. He made fun of Charles Krauthammer, who’s paralyzed, by saying, "I get called by a guy thatcan't buy a pair of pants, I get called names?" Trump also mocked the appearance of a New York Times reporter with a congenital joint condition. You’d be ashamed of your own child if he behaved this way; so how can you vote for a man like this? 35) Donald Trump would be the first President to have made money off of a strip club: Are you really going to be proud to tell your kids that you’re backing a guy who made money off of casinos and a strip club for President? 36) Trump cheated on his wife: Not only did cheat Trump on his wife, he BRAGGED about sleeping with married women in one of his books. 37) He’s made creepy comments about dating his daughter: Sorry, but this is just a gross, weird and completely inappropriate comment to make about your own child, “I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for Playboy], although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her.” Incidentally, he’s said things like this more than once. 38) Trump’s a phony Christian: There’s no such thing as an unrepentant adulterer who doesn’t ask God for forgiveness who also happens to be a Christian. Trump is so unfamiliar with the church that he doesn’t even know what an offering plate looks like. 39) Trump is a misogynist: Not only has Donald Trump said a lot of gross things about women in general, he also said, “You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” Hillary is going to accuse whoever the Republican nominee is of being sexist. If Trump’s the nominee, it will be true. 40) Last but not least, Trump’s an even more perfect example of narcissistic personality disorder than Barack Obama: I’ll just leave this description here so you can make your own judgment. An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met: Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply) Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her Arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted where did you copy and paste that from Cruz.. and the highlighted part is bullcrap .. he said it at the debate.. and for you to spew that is wrong.. shameful .. and some others on your list is downright lies to.. good grief.. why not research and find out . Bibliafarm. This is a copy/paste sure enough. The link to the Townhall article is on the first page. The OP was asking why people do not want to vote for Trump. This article summed up a lot of reasons people say. And yet nobody bothered to look at it so I just moved the whole thing over. It answers the OPs question. If the OP didn't want anyone to offer an answer, they should not have posted. IMO, when one asks a question like this it should not be simply to confirm one's existing opinion but to critically think about all perspectives. You and anyone else on the board have the right to agree or disagree with it. If you have an issue with the article, please do comment on the original townhall post. Attacking me will hardly serve you in that regard as I did not write it and never claimed to. Nonetheless the article has spurred some useful debate and hopefully got people thinking. I was just answering the OPs question with the research I did do. The original article is also fully hyperlinked with the author's research. You may feel free to explore it more at your own leisure too. Please feel free to google "why you shouldn't vote for Trump" and see what you come up with. There are plenty of reasons good thoughtful people refuse to vote for him. This is only one list of reasons.
You are absolutely right.. and I apologize.. I wasnt attacking you personally but my words were sure sounding like it .. | |
| | |
Hugs to You
Posts: 7550
Location: In The Land of Cotton | oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
I am going to have to disagree with some of what you are saying. I have a family who have 30+ years at a well known college. They are a department head. He has enough "sick days" that he will not have to work the last 2-1/2 years AT ALL before he retires. Didn't use them during school so they roll over and now look what he has available to him. What a waste of money. Just because you are tenure doesn't mean you are worth a toot. In fact, it seems that the longer some teachers are on the payroll the worse they get.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | Bibliafarm - 2016-05-03 12:48 PM
oija - 2016-05-03 9:43 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-05-02 9:13 PM oija - 2016-05-02 2:48 PM Let's try again shall we. 40 Reasons Not To Vote For Donald Trump 1) Trump has favorability ratings that make him unelectable: The American public is very familiar with Donald Trump and people hate his guts. Trump’s current favorable/unfavorable rating is 34/58. Just as a point of comparison, the two biggest landslides in history were against Jimmy Carter (33/58) and Walter Mondale (34/40). Trump is so unpopular with the general electorate that we might as well be running Jared Fogle or Bill Cosby. 2) Trump consistently loses to Hillary Clinton in head-to-head polls: Given that so many people know Trump and already dislike him, it’s hard to understand why anyone thinks he’ll win in November. That’s especially true since the public already knows both him and Hillary Clinton well and he consistently loses to her in head-to-head match-ups.Hillary has 20 wins, 4 losses and 1 tie against Trump over the last 25 polls.Those numbers are more likely to get worse than get better. 3) Huge Republican defections are possible: Trump’s toxic, he’s not a conservative and he has personally insulted an enormous number of people on the Right. There will be more Republicans who won’t vote for him than for any other Republican nominee in recent history. In fact, it wouldn’t be a shock if there are significant numbers of prominent Republicans who back a third party candidate or otherwise try to deliberately undermine his campaign. CARTOONS | Steve Breen View Cartoon 4) He won’t be financially competitive in a general election: Hillary Clinton and the Super PACs supporting her will probably spend north of 2.5 billion dollars against Donald Trump. Trump has no Super Pacs and has made not taking money from big donors a centerpiece of his campaign. If you take away the value of his name, Trump would probably have to liquidate his entire fortune to compete financially with Hillary. Even if that were possible, which it’s not, Trump has been very reluctant to spend his money. He even admits that he doesn’t know how he’d fund his campaign in a general election. 5) Trump’s strategy is entirely dependent on the mainstream media: Liberals in the mainstream media have been giving Trump a free ride because they think he’ll be easy to beat in the general election. The day he becomes the nominee, they’ll turn on him just like they did with John McCain and he’ll face hostile treatment in every media venue. The moment that happens, Trump’s core campaign strategy will no longer work. 6) He makes gaffes: He’s the single most gaffe prone candidate in history. He says something dumb enough to end a normal candidate’s campaign every other week. Not only will his gaffes be used against him in a general election, he’ll regularly make more because that’s just what he does. Not only will that hurt his campaign for President, it will help wash out other GOP candidates who will regularly be forced to respond to the latest stupid thing he’s said. 7) He claimed George W. Bush lied about WMDS: Trump is indistinguishable from Michael Moore and Code Pink on the war in Iraq. Trump said Bush was the worst President in history, said he should have been impeached and claimed that he lied about WMDs to trick Americans into going to war. 8) He’s a conspiracy theorist: Before he started falsely claiming Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio weren’t eligible to be President, Trump was a birther who was publicly claiming Obama’s birth certificate was a fraud. 9) He’s way too comfy with the white supremacist movement: He has knowingly retweeted a white supremacist; by one count 62% of the people Trump retweets are white nationalists and there are now even white supremacist robocalls for Trump. It’s also not a shocker that David Duke is publicly supporting him by saying, “Voting against Donald Trump at this point, is really treason to your heritage.” 10)Trump’s spokeswoman Katrina Pierson has said some really kooky things: Pierson bemoaned the fact that America is too reluctant to use nuclear weapons when she said, “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” She also tweeted out this creepy in an Aryan sort of way stupidity: “Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left?” She has also said the GOP is racist and has taken gratuitous swipes at Christians in general and Catholics in particular. There’s nobody you want as a nominee for anything who has someone like this as his spokesperson. 11) A man as thin skinned and vengeful as Trump can’t be trusted as President: Trump has written whole chapters of books that discuss how important it is to get revenge on people who cross him. If you trust a man who thinks like that with the FBI, DOJ, DHS, our military and the IRS, then you are either foolish or you just assume he won’t go after you and don’t care if he abuses his office to go after other people. 12) He’s a drama queen: One day he’s getting in a fight with Megyn Kelly; the next day he’s saying Carly Fiorina is ugly and the next thing you know, he has a back and forth going with the Pope. Trump’s like a five year old who will pull the cat’s tail, throw a ball through the window or curse in front of company as long it gets people looking at him. Good attention, bad attention, he doesn’t care. The same traits that make Donald Trump great on reality TV would make him temperamentally unfit to be President. 13) Trump is caught up in ongoing fraud trials over “Trump University:” There are two class action suits against Trump in California and the New York Attorney General has also filed suit against Trump over Trump University. One of the trials is scheduled to happen in August. So, right as the presidential campaign goes into full swing, the news will be full of stories about Trump and fraud. 14) Trump has extensive ties to the mob: According to a book written about him, “Throughout his adult life, Donald Trump has done business with major organized-crime figures and performed favors for their associates." 15) Trump was publicly supporting amnesty in 2013: Back when the gang of 8 amnesty bill was being discussed by Congress, Donald Trump who claims he’ll be tougher than anyone on illegal immigration was publicly calling for amnesty for illegal aliens. 16) Trump still supports citizenship for illegal aliens: Despite the fact that Trump is supposed to be tougher than anyone else on immigration, he’s in favor of rewarding many illegal aliens with American citizenship after they touch back in their home countries. 17) Trump doesn’t even make his OWN products in America: Trump claims he’s going to be tough on companies that move jobs overseas, but his own products are made in China and Mexico. Do people really think he’s going to crack down on his own businesses? 18) Trump’s country club in Florida rejects American workers for foreign labor: Donald Trump talks a good game about looking out for American workers, but in practice he has his products made overseas and he hires foreigners over Americans here in the states. Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., describes itself as “one of the most highly regarded private clubs in the world,” and it is not just the very-well-to-do who want to get in. Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired. In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries. 19) Trump loves Planned Parenthood:Although he claims to be pro-life, Donald Trump has repeatedly praised the baby-killing, baby-part-selling butchers at Planned Parenthood.After being criticized harshly for refusing to cut off funding for the organization, Trump now mixes praise of the organization with unbelievable claims that he will cut off its funding. Even Planned Parenthood doesn’t believe Trump will hurt them because the organization’s CEO Cecile Richards said she appreciated Trump’s“kind words.” 20) Trump can’t be trusted to pick a Supreme Court Justice: A non-conservative who has kind words for Planned Parenthood and who thought his radical, pro-abortion sister would make a great justice if she wasn’t related to him is not someone you want picking a replacement for Antonin Scalia. 21) Donald Trump is largely indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders on health care: If Trump were to somehow become President, Republicans would have to root for Obamacare to stay in place because what Trump wants to do is worse. Trump has been advocating government-controlled single payer health care for over 15 years. Trump is so ignorant about health care that he’s unable to discuss the subject intelligently, but even as he denies that he still wants single payer health care, he says that everyone is going to be covered and the government will pay for it. If you thought there couldn’t possibly be a bigger liar on health care than Barack Obama, then meet Donald Trump. 22) Eminent domain: Not only is Donald Trump in favor of having the government use the power of eminent domain to take property from private owners so it can be given to fatcats like him, he tried to use eminent domain to take a widow’s home away from her so it could be used as a limo parking lot. If you think Donald Trump is for the little guy, you’re a sucker. 23) Trump is making it clear he will undermine Israel: Here’s Trump on the conflict between the pro-American Israelis and the anti-American, genocidal, pro-terrorist Palestinians, "I don't want to get into it for a different reason, Joe, because if I do win, there has to be a certain amount of surprise, unpredictability. Let me be sort of a neutral guy, let's see what -- I'm going to give it a shot. It would be so great." Since when do conservatives back a President who doesn’t support Israel? 24) Trump isn’t a conservative and has no consistent ideological values: Trump has switched political parties 5 times in his life, was endorsing Democrats three years ago and his positions on the issues sometimes change week to week. 25) Trump was endorsing Democrats just three years ago: Michael Bloomberg is the foremost advocate of gun control in the United States and Bill De Blasio is an open Marxist. Yet, here’s what Trump was saying about them three years ago. "(Michael Bloomberg is) a friend of mine. He's been anexcellent mayor of New York City. He's a great guy and he means very well." (2013) “I think pretty strongly that(Bill de Blasio will) end up being a good mayor, maybe a very good mayorand I don’t think he’s going to want to kill the golden goose. ...I think he’s a smart guy that knows what’s going on really big league and I think he is not going to want to destroy New York. I think he is going to want to make New York great.” (2013) 26) He’s a Clinton Foundation donor: As was noted in the debate on Thursday night, it would be hard for Trump to make an issue of all the sleazy things that the Clinton Foundation was doing when he was one of its donors. 27) Trump has publicly talked about how wonderful Hillary Clinton is on multiple occasions: "(Hillary Clinton is) very talented, very smart.She's a friend of mine, so I'm a little prejudiced." (2007) “Hillary’s always surrounded herself with very good people. I think Hillary would do a good job.” "I know Hillary andI think she’d make a great president or vice-president." – 2008 Not only would these quotes help Hillary in an election, Trump’s shtick is always that he may have no idea what he’s talking about, but he’ll choose good people. Like Hillary? 28) He has the thumbs up from Jimmy Carter: “I think I would choose Trump, which may surprise some of you. The reason is, Trump has proven already he’s completely malleable. I don’t think he has any fixed (positions) he’d go the White House and fight for. On the other hand, Ted Cruz is not malleable. He has far-right wing policies he’d pursue if he became president.” – Jimmy Carter on whom he’d like to see as the Republican nominee 29) Donald Trump has been a big supporter of the Democrat Party: Among the many, manyDemocrats Donald Trump has donated to are Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Walter Mondale. Trump even donated the maximum to Jimmy Carter when he ran against Ronald Reagan. 30) He doesn’t know anything about policy: I don’t know if it’s because he’s lazy, not interested in policy or just because he’s old and has difficulty learning new things, but Trump doesn’t know anything more than the most basic facts about any issue. He literally does not understand immigration, healthcare or foreign policy on anything more than the most superficial level. Trump would never hire a guy who doesn’t know what he is talking about to run one of his construction sites; so why should Americans hire a guy who’s completely ignorant of policy to be President? 31) Trump is a too old to be running for President: If he somehow wins, Donald Trump will be 70 years old when he takes office. That would make him the oldest man ever to be elected to the White House for the first time. 32) Trump has many failed business ventures: Trump gives people the impression that he always wins. Certainly he has had a lot of success, but he also failed over and over again in ventures he knows little about just like he will if he’s the GOP’s nominee. It will be one more failed business venture like Trump steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump the Game, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, Trump Airlines, Trump University, Trump Casinos and the New Jersey Generals. 33) Trump mocked prisoners of war: I don’t much care for John McCain, but Trump didn’t just insult McCain, he mocked every American prisoner of war when he said,“(John McCain is) not a war hero…. He’s a war hero because he was captured.I like people that weren’t captured.” There were a lot of American war heroes who served honorably and were captured. They shouldn’t be laughed at by a man who never even served in the military. 34) Donald Trump makes fun of the handicapped: What sort of man mocks people for being handicapped? Trump has done it at least twice. He made fun of Charles Krauthammer, who’s paralyzed, by saying, "I get called by a guy thatcan't buy a pair of pants, I get called names?" Trump also mocked the appearance of a New York Times reporter with a congenital joint condition. You’d be ashamed of your own child if he behaved this way; so how can you vote for a man like this? 35) Donald Trump would be the first President to have made money off of a strip club: Are you really going to be proud to tell your kids that you’re backing a guy who made money off of casinos and a strip club for President? 36) Trump cheated on his wife: Not only did cheat Trump on his wife, he BRAGGED about sleeping with married women in one of his books. 37) He’s made creepy comments about dating his daughter: Sorry, but this is just a gross, weird and completely inappropriate comment to make about your own child, “I don’t think Ivanka would do that [pose for Playboy], although she does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her.” Incidentally, he’s said things like this more than once. 38) Trump’s a phony Christian: There’s no such thing as an unrepentant adulterer who doesn’t ask God for forgiveness who also happens to be a Christian. Trump is so unfamiliar with the church that he doesn’t even know what an offering plate looks like. 39) Trump is a misogynist: Not only has Donald Trump said a lot of gross things about women in general, he also said, “You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.” Hillary is going to accuse whoever the Republican nominee is of being sexist. If Trump’s the nominee, it will be true. 40) Last but not least, Trump’s an even more perfect example of narcissistic personality disorder than Barack Obama: I’ll just leave this description here so you can make your own judgment. An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met: Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply) Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her Arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted where did you copy and paste that from Cruz.. and the highlighted part is bullcrap .. he said it at the debate.. and for you to spew that is wrong.. shameful .. and some others on your list is downright lies to.. good grief.. why not research and find out . Bibliafarm. This is a copy/paste sure enough. The link to the Townhall article is on the first page. The OP was asking why people do not want to vote for Trump. This article summed up a lot of reasons people say. And yet nobody bothered to look at it so I just moved the whole thing over. It answers the OPs question. If the OP didn't want anyone to offer an answer, they should not have posted. IMO, when one asks a question like this it should not be simply to confirm one's existing opinion but to critically think about all perspectives. You and anyone else on the board have the right to agree or disagree with it. If you have an issue with the article, please do comment on the original townhall post. Attacking me will hardly serve you in that regard as I did not write it and never claimed to. Nonetheless the article has spurred some useful debate and hopefully got people thinking. I was just answering the OPs question with the research I did do. The original article is also fully hyperlinked with the author's research. You may feel free to explore it more at your own leisure too. Please feel free to google "why you shouldn't vote for Trump" and see what you come up with. There are plenty of reasons good thoughtful people refuse to vote for him. This is only one list of reasons.
Thank you. I appreciate your note. It is very gracious of you. And I certainly did not intend to offend but just offer some answers to the OPs question. | |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM
oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished.
Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now.
And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing.
We've gotten a bit off topic.
Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud.
I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe. | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | oija - 2016-05-03 2:10 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished. Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now. And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing. We've gotten a bit off topic. Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe.
I agree with a lot of being said but does anyone else see a correlation between the huge tuition increase over the last 30 years and the government involvement by way of grants and student loans ???? | |
| | |
Hugs to You
Posts: 7550
Location: In The Land of Cotton | oija - 2016-05-03 2:10 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished. Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now. And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing. We've gotten a bit off topic. Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe.
I see my family - another person that teaches with a Masters and one with a PHD, who have co-workers who aren't worth a toot. They show up. At the college and high school level. The teachers do the basics just to get them another year on the books. They do lesson plans, etc., give out tests, but basically just push papers and let kids pass because it is easier. But, I imagine that goes in every job market. But, they can't fire them even though their records stink.
On the sick day thing yes I don't think they should get it. And being a PHd and all of his other "self-granted" perks are what is making college so expensive. And, state and national labor laws have nothing to do with "stacked sick days". Actually, national labor laws dont' even require you to give "15 minute" breaks. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/breaks
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 2:02 PM
oija - 2016-05-03 2:10 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished. Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now. And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing. We've gotten a bit off topic. Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe.
On the sick day thing yes I don't think they should get it. And being a PHd and all of his other "self-granted" perks are what is making college so expensive. And, state and national labor laws have nothing to do with "stacked sick days". Actually, national labor laws dont' even require you to give "15 minute" breaks. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/breaks
I am not sure they are self-granted. Most of that stuff is at least state regulated. We get one sick day per month and they can accrue up through like a year or something. When I went on maternity leave, those accrued sick days were darn useful to keep getting paid. I only get two personal days a year as we have a lot of granted vacation over Christmas and summer. That doesn't bother me in the slightest but it is not uncommon in many industries to have sick leave accrue. My mother is a nurse and is allowed to have a substantial amount of accrued sick leave without losing her job too. And she works for the federal government.
I also know in my state we have ended up with some teachers who are poor performers because low pay attracts low performers and the state legislating so much the higher performers pretty much can't do a good job.There are rotten apples in every basket but most teachers and professors I know try to do their best. I certainly work more than 40 hours a week though I am not in my office that entire time. I often have to work in the summer when I am not paid to work as well just to be prepared for the fall semester. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | This should not be a responsibility of the federal government. Like so many things, it ought to be left up to the individual states to decide if or how college education should be funded. Making this a federal program only adds to the enormity of our skyrocketing national debt.
We should ignore the demagogues who use this idea to advance their own political agenda, and careers. It's a trap. Don't fall for it. | |
| | |
Hugs to You
Posts: 7550
Location: In The Land of Cotton | oija - 2016-05-03 3:57 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 2:02 PM oija - 2016-05-03 2:10 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished. Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now. And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing. We've gotten a bit off topic. Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe.
On the sick day thing yes I don't think they should get it. And being a PHd and all of his other "self-granted" perks are what is making college so expensive. And, state and national labor laws have nothing to do with "stacked sick days". Actually, national labor laws dont' even require you to give "15 minute" breaks. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/breaks
I am not sure they are self-granted. Most of that stuff is at least state regulated. We get one sick day per month and they can accrue up through like a year or something. When I went on maternity leave, those accrued sick days were darn useful to keep getting paid. I only get two personal days a year as we have a lot of granted vacation over Christmas and summer. That doesn't bother me in the slightest but it is not uncommon in many industries to have sick leave accrue. My mother is a nurse and is allowed to have a substantial amount of accrued sick leave without losing her job too. And she works for the federal government. I also know in my state we have ended up with some teachers who are poor performers because low pay attracts low performers and the state legislating so much the higher performers pretty much can't do a good job.There are rotten apples in every basket but most teachers and professors I know try to do their best. I certainly work more than 40 hours a week though I am not in my office that entire time. I often have to work in the summer when I am not paid to work as well just to be prepared for the fall semester.
I am not dishing teachers - but the "system". It is screwing you who want to teach and expand people knowledge and the people who pay for an education. Like probably all of us agree, administrators at this point are the root of the problem. I would not want your job for anything. Too thanksless.
If, however, people got contracts when first employed that states their off days, how they can accrue them etc., that should be honored. But, if a college/schools are having such a hard time getting quality teachers because of low pay and the bad hours you work, something needs to change. I still have a hard time comprehending that some schools in rural OK where the principal is making over $125K and the school is still using books that are out dated by 10-15 years. And, I am sure this is in other states too.
I am not for free college because anything free, means someone else is paying for it and usually it is us, the people who work and pay taxes. And I mean free college the way Bernie wants it, not state sponsored by the lottery etc.
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 3:12 PM
oija - 2016-05-03 3:57 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 2:02 PM oija - 2016-05-03 2:10 PM 3canstorun - 2016-05-03 12:54 PM oija - 2016-05-03 1:32 PM NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket. Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people. Ignorance is bliss. Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Now what I do agree with is that "management" in the teaching field is paid usually more then the teachers. Administration in teaching has become what administration in the medical field is. Lucrative. Not saying that they don't work, but their work load and expertise is not comparable to teachers and the Dr's, etc in the medical field.
And while I do think that team sports are important, I have examples of schools in OK that only have one working bathroom for girls, holes in the ceilings, missing tile floors and books that are out of date over 10 years - yet they have a new stadium to the tune of over $12 million dollars for the high school to play foot ball in. Administration in your school system is way out of hand.
So in your opinion, some one that is a really hard worker and has legitimately worked and earned a certain amount of time off based on state and national labor laws and not used it should not be given those benefits? Last I checked people like to have a job with good benefits. Way to say, thank you and we appreciate your work. I mean honestly, that 2.5 years would still have been compensated to him if he had taken off one sick day a month anyway and you wouldn't be saying anything. It just happens to be gathered at the end of his career because he didn't use them. Faithful service and good health should hardly be punished. Tenure also doesn't just mean you show up and have a guaranteed pay check. You have to meet certain requirements of solid teaching and research before its granted and THEN you can lose it if you fail to continue to meet certain standards or take a sharp reduction in pay at the very least. My institution does not even offer tenure any more and there is a general trend in education towards this now. And I 100 percent agree with you on the team sports thing. We've gotten a bit off topic. Long story short, I am not actually a supporter of free college mostly because I think people tend to work harder for something they have to pay for. But I am a fan of a certain amount of state support. My state is currently 48th of 50 for education and our solution is more standardized testing and cutting education budgets 30 percent. But of course we are also known for performing more executions than pretty much anybody else too. Makes me so proud. I would rather see colleges restructured again to be true nonprofits focused on teaching with more full time faculty given course releases to do the administrative load so that every person that works in education with a few possible exceptions at some point is also teaching and aware first hand of the needs and demands of students. Public money would be spent more responsibly this way I believe.
On the sick day thing yes I don't think they should get it. And being a PHd and all of his other "self-granted" perks are what is making college so expensive. And, state and national labor laws have nothing to do with "stacked sick days". Actually, national labor laws dont' even require you to give "15 minute" breaks. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/breaks
I am not sure they are self-granted. Most of that stuff is at least state regulated. We get one sick day per month and they can accrue up through like a year or something. When I went on maternity leave, those accrued sick days were darn useful to keep getting paid. I only get two personal days a year as we have a lot of granted vacation over Christmas and summer. That doesn't bother me in the slightest but it is not uncommon in many industries to have sick leave accrue. My mother is a nurse and is allowed to have a substantial amount of accrued sick leave without losing her job too. And she works for the federal government. I also know in my state we have ended up with some teachers who are poor performers because low pay attracts low performers and the state legislating so much the higher performers pretty much can't do a good job.There are rotten apples in every basket but most teachers and professors I know try to do their best. I certainly work more than 40 hours a week though I am not in my office that entire time. I often have to work in the summer when I am not paid to work as well just to be prepared for the fall semester.
If, however, people got contracts when first employed that states their off days, how they can accrue them etc., that should be honored. But, if a college/schools are having such a hard time getting quality teachers because of low pay and the bad hours you work, something needs to change. I still have a hard time comprehending that some schools in rural OK where the principal is making over $125K and the school is still using books that are out dated by 10-15 years. And, I am sure this is in other states too.
I am not for free college because anything free, means someone else is paying for it and usually it is us, the people who work and pay taxes. And I mean free college the way Bernie wants it, not state sponsored by the lottery etc.
I know we sign contracts talking about how we get days off etc. I have already pretty much said the same things about administration. We need the money to be directed at the teachers and teaching resources. And I am not for free college either which I think I already stated, just state sponsored (sponsor to me doesn't mean entirely paid for but supported by state funds). | |
| | |
 Extreme Veteran
Posts: 383
Location: Sweet Home Alabama | LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM
Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why.
Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. | |
| | |
| Oija-I have been an adjunct. I do realize that good professors are worth their with in gold. Being a good teacher is WORK and didn't mean to attack you, but there are BIG problems with the college system.
Bloaded payroll will be its demise. | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM
LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM
Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why.
Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president.
Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket. | |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
That's kind of funny....... when he was all for Romney, he was God's gift to journalism.....My how things change ..... LOL | |
| | |
 Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | oija - 2016-05-03 12:32 PM
NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM
The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket.
Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people.
Ignorance is bliss.
Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Well if college ain't a 'racket' then explain this please.....................
A military veteran with a College Transcript of 104 Credit Hours attempts to complete a degree in mechanical/aeronautical engineering, already has twenty plus years of real world hands experience. Speaks with multiple 'military friendly' schools. All the responses are variations of the same answer............We only allow (accept) 40-50 of your college transcript hours. You will have to 80-100 of 'OUR' credit hours to finish out the degree plan. Please explain how this is not a 'racket' to enhance the 'military friendly' school's bank account? | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
I couldn't agree more. We listen to Beck and he has lost his mind. All he talks about is Trump and all the while his Cruz is proving to be just another typical politician and not this great saviour that many thought but he will never admit that.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any.
| |
| | |
Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| Nevertooold - 2016-05-03 6:49 PM
OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any.
Sounds like Trump to me LOL
| |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | jbhoot - 2016-05-03 7:13 PM Nevertooold - 2016-05-03 6:49 PM OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any.
Sounds like Trump to me LOL
I was just going to say it sounds exactly like Barack Obama.
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 1956
Location: Ky | Why to not like Trump? Wouldn't it be a shorter list to ask why anyone would like him?
Of course he's the true face of the GOP, a bigot, a racist, a facist, anti-women, a liar. Everything the GOP's heart desires but most of them just won't come out and say it. This is what the tea baggers have begat.
Now the GOP is going to nominate someone that politically is more democrat than any democrat running. Gotta love that irony. | |
| | |
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 383
Location: Sweet Home Alabama | Nevertooold - 2016-05-03 6:49 PM
OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any.
Guess I'm a "loon" then as well. I have the same principles and values as Beck. And he preaches about Trump so much because he's trying to warn us of what's coming. But none of it really matters now that Cruz is out. We pretty much just gave Hillary the election. I don't think Trump would be any better than her, maybe so, but I don't see the majority of African Americans or Mexicans voting for him over her. Plus, most Cruz supporters I've spoken with say they will not vote for Trump, so it's all going to be interesting as time rolls on. Maybe they'll change their minds. Maybe not. I just hate the thought of another liberal in office | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 9:01 PM Nevertooold - 2016-05-03 6:49 PM OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any.
Guess I'm a "loon" then as well. I have the same principles and values as Beck. And he preaches about Trump so much because he's trying to warn us of what's coming. But none of it really matters now that Cruz is out. We pretty much just gave Hillary the election. I don't think Trump would be any better than her, maybe so, but I don't see the majority of African Americans or Mexicans voting for him over her. Plus, most Cruz supporters I've spoken with say they will not vote for Trump, so it's all going to be interesting as time rolls on. Maybe they'll change their minds. Maybe not. I just hate the thought of another liberal in office
Hillary is the scariest candidate of all.
Glad I'm old and I will never see the end results of what is going on in this country. I'm really sorry so many never lived in the real America.  
| |
| | |
Gettin Jiggy Wit It
Posts: 2734
| Nevertooold - 2016-05-03 9:35 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 9:01 PM Nevertooold - 2016-05-03 6:49 PM OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any. Guess I'm a "loon" then as well. I have the same principles and values as Beck. And he preaches about Trump so much because he's trying to warn us of what's coming. But none of it really matters now that Cruz is out. We pretty much just gave Hillary the election. I don't think Trump would be any better than her, maybe so, but I don't see the majority of African Americans or Mexicans voting for him over her. Plus, most Cruz supporters I've spoken with say they will not vote for Trump, so it's all going to be interesting as time rolls on. Maybe they'll change their minds. Maybe not. I just hate the thought of another liberal in office
Glad I'm old and I will never see the end results of what is going on in this country. I'm really sorry so many never lived in the real America.
Edited by WetSaddleBlankets 2016-05-03 9:55 PM
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | NFM - 2016-05-03 5:04 PM
Oija-I have been an adjunct. I do realize that good professors are worth their with in gold. Being a good teacher is WORK and didn't mean to attack you, but there are BIG problems with the college system.
Bloaded payroll will be its demise.
NFM I agree their are issues but most of them have to do with an oversized administration and not enough support for teaching a d research. I hate the adjunct system. We also accept too many people into graduate programs who may struggle to find jobs later. I am aware of the weaknesses but many of my colleagues are hard working earnest professionals. | |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | foundation horse - 2016-05-03 6:02 PM
oija - 2016-05-03 12:32 PM
NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM
The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket.
Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people.
Ignorance is bliss.
Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Well if college ain't a 'racket' then explain this please.....................
A military veteran with a College Transcript of 104 Credit Hours attempts to complete a degree in mechanical/aeronautical engineering, already has twenty plus years of real world hands experience. Speaks with multiple 'military friendly' schools. All the responses are variations of the same answer............We only allow (accept ) 40-50 of your college transcript hours. You will have to 80-100 of 'OUR' credit hours to finish out the degree plan. Please explain how this is not a 'racket' to enhance the 'military friendly' school's bank account?
There are problems with execution of any number of good ideas. This policy of getting a degree requiring at least a certain minimum of hours from the institution itself is based on the idea that certain universities specialize in certain methods or theories based on the research done there. Students may even choose to go to one over the other based on that particar program's curriculum. To truly be representative of that program, one must have a certain amount of exposure to its ideas. I knew I wanted my PhD from the get go but when talking to my professors they always recommeded I get my three degrees from different places as each one would expose me to different ideas and help build my critical thinking skills. It is much like horse training; the best trainers will absorb the theories and ideas of multiple other trainers. But just going to a week long clinic does not make one truly proficient in that method. An internship of several months or years is needed too. This is not just an idea adopted by only universities. | |
| | |
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I think this is going to be the most scaryest election ever, thinking of Hillary in the White house just makes me sick to my stomach.. | |
| | |
Warmblood with Wings
Posts: 27846
Location: Florida.. | make sure you get out there and vote then | |
| | |
Veteran
Posts: 127
Location: Nebraska | Yes, it is very ironic.
Now that Cruz is out, we're pretty much playing roulette with the nation- Trump versus Hillary.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but... I hope Hillary comes out on top. As awful and vomit-inducing as she is, she's a better candidate than Trump. And I think she will win, because as terrible as she is, most voters (I hope) don't want the next generation to inherit a scorched earth.
On a side note, even Democrats hate Hillary.
And speaking of irony, a Trump supporter says I lose credibility for mentioning Bernie? | |
| | |
Warmblood with Wings
Posts: 27846
Location: Florida.. | RockyMountainRacer - 2016-05-03 11:24 PM Yes, it is very ironic. Now that Cruz is out, we're pretty much playing roulette with the nation- Trump versus Hillary. I can't believe I'm saying this, but... I hope Hillary comes out on top. As awful and vomit-inducing as she is, she's a better candidate than Trump. And I think she will win, because as terrible as she is, most voters (I hope) don't want the next generation to inherit a scorched earth. On a side note, even Democrats hate Hillary. And speaking of irony, a Trump supporter says I lose credibility for mentioning Bernie?
she has blood on her hands.. no way.. and what about the abortions being ok at 34 weeks .. yes she approves.. NO thanks!! shes a murderer .. | |
| | |
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-05-03 10:46 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2016-05-03 11:24 PM Yes, it is very ironic. Now that Cruz is out, we're pretty much playing roulette with the nation- Trump versus Hillary. I can't believe I'm saying this, but... I hope Hillary comes out on top. As awful and vomit-inducing as she is, she's a better candidate than Trump. And I think she will win, because as terrible as she is, most voters (I hope) don't want the next generation to inherit a scorched earth. On a side note, even Democrats hate Hillary. And speaking of irony, a Trump supporter says I lose credibility for mentioning Bernie? she has blood on her hands.. no way.. and what about the abortions being ok at 34 weeks .. yes she approves.. NO thanks!! shes a murderer ..
AND she want's to take 1000's of jobs away from the coal mine workers, she plans on shutting down all the coal mines and more coal business. So sad for the people that only know coal mining. | |
| | |
Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
Posts: 7264
| Rolling J - 2016-05-03 11:21 AM
Nevertooold - 2016-05-02 8:52 PM
Rolling J - 2016-05-02 8:30 PM Thanks Nevertoold for all the info. Now just have to find time to read it all. Love BHW...always learning something
People keep saying he doesn't have any plans, well he does and there is no way he would have time on TV to go down and list all of this info and most people really don't care anyway..
Obama got elected because he was black and tried to act cool..LOL
I agree 100%. I half joke the first person I hear say "I am voting for Hillary because she is a woman" I going be in the county jail for slapping the sh** out of them
You're going to have to stand in line because I'll be in front of you to slap them! | |
| | |
Just a Yankee
Posts: 1237
Location: Some where I haven't left yet | The other thing to consider is that the next president will probably be seating more than one Supreme Court Judge. SO, if Hillary gets in (Heaven forbid).... There goes the second amendment. The question is what else will she do? How many others will she kill? We would lose even more credibility with many countries simply due to the culture and view of women in the prevailing culture. I'm not sold on Trump, I like some of what he says but (BUT) what will he acctually do? How will he handle the high presure of the position? He's a businessman so I know he can negotiate. I'm not sure that Trump want's to restrict our rights near as much as Hillary wants to. I prefer Trumps Tax plan over Hillary's hands down. Eek. This election is very scary for me  | |
| | |
 Hawty & Nawty
Posts: 20424
| Trumps Vp choice will be very telling of the man. | |
| | |
 A very grounded girl
Posts: 5052
Location: Moving soon..... | Before you think Killary is better than Trump, you may want to watch this. We will loose more freedom than you can ever imagine. We will become more of a socialist country that you may want to believe.
http://gopthedailydose.com/2016/05/01/clinton-campaign-panicking-bombshell-video-goes-viral/
Edited by Karol 2016-05-04 7:32 AM
| |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 9:01 PM Nevertooold - 2016-05-03 6:49 PM OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any.
Guess I'm a "loon" then as well. I have the same principles and values as Beck. And he preaches about Trump so much because he's trying to warn us of what's coming. But none of it really matters now that Cruz is out. We pretty much just gave Hillary the election. I don't think Trump would be any better than her, maybe so, but I don't see the majority of African Americans or Mexicans voting for him over her. Plus, most Cruz supporters I've spoken with say they will not vote for Trump, so it's all going to be interesting as time rolls on. Maybe they'll change their minds. Maybe not. I just hate the thought of another liberal in office
At least the people you talk to are going to take the time to vote, so many I know like, dislike, argue, but have never in their lives taken the time to go to the polls.
 | |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | Frodo - 2016-05-04 7:51 AM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 9:01 PM Nevertooold - 2016-05-03 6:49 PM OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
Politician...A man or woman that will lie, cheat, make up wild stories, make themselves out as being a person for the people all while they are making deals with the devil on the side in order to get elected. An honest politician only sees one term if they ever see any. Guess I'm a "loon" then as well. I have the same principles and values as Beck. And he preaches about Trump so much because he's trying to warn us of what's coming. But none of it really matters now that Cruz is out. We pretty much just gave Hillary the election. I don't think Trump would be any better than her, maybe so, but I don't see the majority of African Americans or Mexicans voting for him over her. Plus, most Cruz supporters I've spoken with say they will not vote for Trump, so it's all going to be interesting as time rolls on. Maybe they'll change their minds. Maybe not. I just hate the thought of another liberal in office
Edited by NJJ 2016-05-04 8:40 AM
| |
| | |
Regular
Posts: 99
| I don't think this is the place to discuss politics. Too many opinions and it causes hard feelings and aruguments. Let's talk rodeo and barrel racing. | |
| | |
 On the Countdown
Posts: 2934
Location: Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-05-03 10:46 PM RockyMountainRacer - 2016-05-03 11:24 PM Yes, it is very ironic. Now that Cruz is out, we're pretty much playing roulette with the nation- Trump versus Hillary. I can't believe I'm saying this, but... I hope Hillary comes out on top. As awful and vomit-inducing as she is, she's a better candidate than Trump. And I think she will win, because as terrible as she is, most voters (I hope) don't want the next generation to inherit a scorched earth. On a side note, even Democrats hate Hillary. And speaking of irony, a Trump supporter says I lose credibility for mentioning Bernie? she has blood on her hands.. no way.. and what about the abortions being ok at 34 weeks .. yes she approves.. NO thanks!! shes a murderer ..
It is very scary. I have a friend that is saying deployment is on the horizon and it is all based on who wins the election. I am scared for him at the moment, just the thought of Killary going into office scares me for him! | |
| | |
Hawty & Nawty
Posts: 20424
| get r' done - 2016-05-05 6:44 AM I don't think this is the place to discuss politics. Too many opinions and it causes hard feelings and aruguments. Let's talk rodeo and barrel racing.
There's quite a few of us that are die hard political junkies. I'd just avoid these threads if I were you. It can be downright brutal. | |
| | |
Undercover Amish Mafia Member
Posts: 9991
Location: Kansas | get r' done - 2016-05-04 8:44 AM I don't think this is the place to discuss politics. Too many opinions and it causes hard feelings and aruguments. Let's talk rodeo and barrel racing.
This is a place to express opinions, not everyone is going to like the opinion of another....regardless if it's politics, or barrel racing. | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-04 10:12 AM get r' done - 2016-05-04 8:44 AM I don't think this is the place to discuss politics. Too many opinions and it causes hard feelings and aruguments. Let's talk rodeo and barrel racing. This is a place to express opinions, not everyone is going to like the opinion of another....regardless if it's politics, or barrel racing.
Do people not understand ???? It is OK to disagree with someone but still like them as a friend. A good debate on any topic is a good thing. | |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | Mighty Broke - 2016-05-04 9:37 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-04 10:12 AM get r' done - 2016-05-04 8:44 AM I don't think this is the place to discuss politics. Too many opinions and it causes hard feelings and aruguments. Let's talk rodeo and barrel racing. This is a place to express opinions, not everyone is going to like the opinion of another....regardless if it's politics, or barrel racing.
LOL....^^^^ THIS....I have seen many get their "panties in a wad" and get a lot nastier on HORSE related threads..... | |
| | |
| Got this from my preacher....
I am NOT a Trump supporter, I voted for Cruz. However this November I will vote Trump, because I can not vote Hillary! Now I realize there are many of you who will say " you can't violate your convictions and vote Trump because he is not a Christian." I would like to take this moment to say God can work through the ungodly just as He can the Godly. For example, when God used Joseph to influence the Pharaoh and saved Israel from a massive famine. Also, when God used Daniel to show Nebuchadnezzar who the One true God is. So all that being said, I will pray for the salvation of Donald Trump, and I will pray that Godly men will surround him, should he become President to steer this country back to God. | |
| | |
Undercover Amish Mafia Member
Posts: 9991
Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2016-05-04 9:47 AM Mighty Broke - 2016-05-04 9:37 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-04 10:12 AM get r' done - 2016-05-04 8:44 AM I don't think this is the place to discuss politics. Too many opinions and it causes hard feelings and aruguments. Let's talk rodeo and barrel racing. This is a place to express opinions, not everyone is going to like the opinion of another....regardless if it's politics, or barrel racing.
Yep, the fangs come out in some horse threads lol | |
| | |
 Googly Goo
Posts: 7053
| Bear - 2016-05-03 2:59 PM This should not be a responsibility of the federal government. Like so many things, it ought to be left up to the individual states to decide if or how college education should be funded. Making this a federal program only adds to the enormity of our skyrocketing national debt. We should ignore the demagogues who use this idea to advance their own political agenda, and careers. It's a trap. Don't fall for it.
That's right. If states vote for it, I'm ok with it. Education was never meant to be a function of the federal government. Like so many other things the federal government is involved in, it exceeds their authority. It does not exceed the authority of state governments.
By the way, Tennessee only provides 2 years of community or technical college. It's not near as burdensome as what Bernie is proposing. | |
| | |
Veteran
Posts: 291
| I love reading the political threads! They are my favorite! | |
| | |
 Own It and Move On
Location: The edge of no where | I haven't been paying as much attention as I should the last couple of weeks....any rumblings about who Trump will have run as VP? | |
| | |
 That's White "Man" to You
Posts: 5515
| Mighty Broke - 2016-05-04 9:37 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-04 10:12 AM get r' done - 2016-05-04 8:44 AM I don't think this is the place to discuss politics. Too many opinions and it causes hard feelings and aruguments. Let's talk rodeo and barrel racing. This is a place to express opinions, not everyone is going to like the opinion of another....regardless if it's politics, or barrel racing.
Exactly...Mightybroke likes the Bronco's....But we still like him. | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | Whiteboy - 2016-05-04 11:07 AM Mighty Broke - 2016-05-04 9:37 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-04 10:12 AM get r' done - 2016-05-04 8:44 AM I don't think this is the place to discuss politics. Too many opinions and it causes hard feelings and aruguments. Let's talk rodeo and barrel racing. This is a place to express opinions, not everyone is going to like the opinion of another....regardless if it's politics, or barrel racing.
Gotta root for family. | |
| | |
That's White "Man" to You
Posts: 5515
| MS2011 - 2016-05-04 10:06 AM I haven't been paying as much attention as I should the last couple of weeks....any rumblings about who Trump will have run as VP?
I heard it might be Chuck Norris or Arnold. | |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 3782
Location: Gainesville, TX | Whiteboy - 2016-05-04 10:20 AM
MS2011 - 2016-05-04 10:06 AM I haven't been paying as much attention as I should the last couple of weeks....any rumblings about who Trump will have run as VP?
I heard it might be Chuck Norris or Arnold.
Actually Arnold would actually make some sense. He was the Governator. | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | NJJ - 2016-05-03 3:49 PM
OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket.
I never thought any at all about Glenn Beck. So don't put those words in my mouth. I do my own thinking thank you very much. I find that most people who don't like Trump have never even taken the time to read his proposals. They are out there and easy to find. If you don't like him, tough. He and Killary are the choices. I'll die before I vote for that lying b*tch. So there you have it. Easy peasy. :) | |
| | |
Undercover Amish Mafia Member
Posts: 9991
Location: Kansas | Mighty Broke - 2016-05-04 10:13 AM Whiteboy - 2016-05-04 11:07 AM Mighty Broke - 2016-05-04 9:37 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-04 10:12 AM get r' done - 2016-05-04 8:44 AM I don't think this is the place to discuss politics. Too many opinions and it causes hard feelings and aruguments. Let's talk rodeo and barrel racing. This is a place to express opinions, not everyone is going to like the opinion of another....regardless if it's politics, or barrel racing.
sorry but I just had to do this......
| |
| | |
 BHW's Lance Armstrong 
Posts: 11134
Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Donald needs to choose someone that will help balance his administration that has Govenor experience. Trump can say what ever he wants but the Senate does everything and he just signs the bills. Donald will find out it is much harder to work in the goverment than as an entreprenuer. | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-04 11:46 AM Mighty Broke - 2016-05-04 10:13 AM Whiteboy - 2016-05-04 11:07 AM Mighty Broke - 2016-05-04 9:37 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-05-04 10:12 AM get r' done - 2016-05-04 8:44 AM I don't think this is the place to discuss politics. Too many opinions and it causes hard feelings and aruguments. Let's talk rodeo and barrel racing. This is a place to express opinions, not everyone is going to like the opinion of another....regardless if it's politics, or barrel racing.
Yep----WINNING does make ya cry a little !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL | |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2016-05-04 10:43 AM NJJ - 2016-05-03 3:49 PM OregonBR - 2016-05-03 5:42 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-03 2:32 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. Go listen to Glenn Beck for 30 minutes. He'll give you plenty of reasons to oppose Trump for president. Sorry. He's a loon. (Glenn Beck ) A Frickin lunatic. He needs to be in a straight jacket. I never thought any at all about Glenn Beck. So don't put those words in my mouth. I do my own thinking thank you very much. I find that most people who don't like Trump have never even taken the time to read his proposals. They are out there and easy to find. If you don't like him, tough. He and Killary are the choices. I'll die before I vote for that lying b*tch. So there you have it. Easy peasy. : )
I apologize that my comment was not directed at YOU ..... just in general.....Beck was the "darling" of the Romney supporters.....now back to Trump.....hopefully, the Republicans won't repeat what they did in the last election....shot themselves in the foot by supporting a candidate (Romney) that MANY Republicans did not....and they stayed home!!! | |
| | |
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 754
Location: Arkansas | Douglas J Gordon - 2016-05-04 10:56 AM Donald needs to choose someone that will help balance his administration that has Govenor experience. Trump can say what ever he wants but the Senate does everything and he just signs the bills. Donald will find out it is much harder to work in the goverment than as an entreprenuer.
I've heard rumors of Chris Christie being his VP | |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | rodeochick382 - 2016-05-04 11:09 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2016-05-04 10:56 AM Donald needs to choose someone that will help balance his administration that has Govenor experience. Trump can say what ever he wants but the Senate does everything and he just signs the bills. Donald will find out it is much harder to work in the goverment than as an entreprenuer. I've heard rumors of Chris Christie being his VP
Why not......he has been kissing Trump's butt since he dropped out.....LOL | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | rodeochick382 - 2016-05-04 12:09 PM Douglas J Gordon - 2016-05-04 10:56 AM Donald needs to choose someone that will help balance his administration that has Govenor experience. Trump can say what ever he wants but the Senate does everything and he just signs the bills. Donald will find out it is much harder to work in the goverment than as an entreprenuer. I've heard rumors of Chris Christie being his VP
Sure Hope Not !!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm |
The Donald has been getting a lot of votes. I think he'll win the presidency IF there are no shenanigans with the votes. I don't get people throwing their sucker in the dirt and not voting at all. This is the process. It's not perfect but it's what we have. I personally don't like the delegate system. It undermines the popular vote of the people.
I don't listen to polls. They are SO wrong many times it's amazing. | |
| | |
BHW's Lance Armstrong
Posts: 11134
Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | NJJ - 2016-05-04 11:10 AM rodeochick382 - 2016-05-04 11:09 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2016-05-04 10:56 AM Donald needs to choose someone that will help balance his administration that has Govenor experience. Trump can say what ever he wants but the Senate does everything and he just signs the bills. Donald will find out it is much harder to work in the goverment than as an entreprenuer. I've heard rumors of Chris Christie being his VP
I hope it is not Christie! Yes he has been kissing his ace. Christie is smart, he cut the chase in the primaries and went straight to kissing to get to the VP position.
| |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Please not Chris Christie. | |
| | |
BHW's Lance Armstrong
Posts: 11134
Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | OregonBR - 2016-05-04 11:11 AM The Donald has been getting a lot of votes. I think he'll win the presidency IF there are no shenanigans with the votes. I don't get people throwing their sucker in the dirt and not voting at all. This is the process. It's not perfect but it's what we have. I personally don't like the delegate system. It undermines the popular vote of the people. I don't listen to polls. They are SO wrong many times it's amazing.
Never heard this before but I love it. | |
| | |
BHW's Lance Armstrong
Posts: 11134
Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Trump was just quoted on CNN that her neeeds an insider to help get things done and not be like Obama and go the Executive Order | |
| | |
Location: Not Where I Want to Be | OregonBR - 2016-05-04 12:11 PM The Donald has been getting a lot of votes. I think he'll win the presidency IF there are no shenanigans with the votes. I don't get people throwing their sucker in the dirt and not voting at all. This is the process. It's not perfect but it's what we have. I personally don't like the delegate system. It undermines the popular vote of the people. I don't listen to polls. They are SO wrong many times it's amazing.
It appears your understanding of the electoral process is limited.
you would really be up a creek if we did not have this process in place.
It has been perverted over time, but still affords a great deal of protection for the masses.
| |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | 1DSoon - 2016-05-04 9:24 AM
OregonBR - 2016-05-04 12:11 PM The Donald has been getting a lot of votes. I think he'll win the presidency IF there are no shenanigans with the votes. I don't get people throwing their sucker in the dirt and not voting at all. This is the process. It's not perfect but it's what we have. I personally don't like the delegate system. It undermines the popular vote of the people. I don't listen to polls. They are SO wrong many times it's amazing.
you would really be up a creek if we did not have this process in place.
It has been perverted over time, but still affords a great deal of protection for the masses.
Yes I imagine it is limited. I'm still a lot more informed than most voters. But you can explain how the delegates voting against the people and being bribed into voting against the people's desires is a good thing. That would help me a lot.
Edited by OregonBR 2016-05-04 11:30 AM
| |
| | |
Go Your Own Way
Posts: 4947
Location: SE KS | GrahamKayleigh - 2016-05-04 9:48 AM Got this from my preacher.... I am NOT a Trump supporter, I voted for Cruz. However this November I will vote Trump, because I can not vote Hillary! Now I realize there are many of you who will say " you can't violate your convictions and vote Trump because he is not a Christian." I would like to take this moment to say God can work through the ungodly just as He can the Godly. For example, when God used Joseph to influence the Pharaoh and saved Israel from a massive famine. Also, when God used Daniel to show Nebuchadnezzar who the One true God is. So all that being said, I will pray for the salvation of Donald Trump, and I will pray that Godly men will surround him, should he become President to steer this country back to God.
may I use your quote on FB persay - this is very good. The lord does work thru unbelievers or ungodly people.....
Joseph is a great example. Did a bible study on him last night and his intregrity and how Mr. pontifar and Pharoah saw his goodness, and the lord bless Egpyt because of Joseph. Jospeh still had some trials though - Mrs. P - bad woman.
| |
| | |
BHW's Lance Armstrong
Posts: 11134
Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Dinero10 - 2016-05-04 11:28 AM GrahamKayleigh - 2016-05-04 9:48 AM Got this from my preacher.... I am NOT a Trump supporter, I voted for Cruz. However this November I will vote Trump, because I can not vote Hillary! Now I realize there are many of you who will say " you can't violate your convictions and vote Trump because he is not a Christian." I would like to take this moment to say God can work through the ungodly just as He can the Godly. For example, when God used Joseph to influence the Pharaoh and saved Israel from a massive famine. Also, when God used Daniel to show Nebuchadnezzar who the One true God is. So all that being said, I will pray for the salvation of Donald Trump, and I will pray that Godly men will surround him, should he become President to steer this country back to God. may I use your quote on FB persay - this is very good. The lord does work thru unbelievers or ungodly people.....
Joseph is a great example. Did a bible study on him last night and his intregrity and how Mr. pontifar and Pharoah saw his goodness, and the lord bless Egpyt because of Joseph. Jospeh still had some trials though - Mrs. P - bad woman.
Trump will choose Mitt Romney! | |
| | |
Hawty & Nawty
Posts: 20424
| Trump and Mitt don't mix.
Here's my take.
Condoleeza Rice is the insider that has respect and will gain minority votes.
Marco Rubio is also respected as insider and still can spark an interest with minority.
Kelly Ayotte is a woman. Seems like that's enough these days.
Rudi Guilliani is my personal choice but he's not an insider in D.C.
A wierd combo but could be interesting is John McCain.
There's a congresswoman here that is kicking tail in Arizona named Martha McSally. An ex fighter pilot. OMG she is amazing. Scott and Carol would love this woman. | |
| | |
BHW's Lance Armstrong
Posts: 11134
Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | RidenFly - 2016-05-04 11:46 AM Trump and Mitt don't mix.
Here's my take.
Condoleeza Rice is the insider that has respect and will gain minority votes.
Marco Rubio is also respected as insider and still can spark an interest with minority.
Kelly Ayotte is a woman. Seems like that's enough these days.
Rudi Guilliani is my personal choice but he's not an insider in D.C.
A wierd combo but could be interesting is John McCain.
There's a congresswoman here that is kicking tail in Arizona named Martha McSally. An ex fighter pilot. OMG she is amazing. Scott and Carol would love this woman.
I like Rubio as VP. Cruz as S. Court Justice. Then they can compare hands in the Oval office. True they wouldn't mix. Mitt has to much class for Donald | |
| | |
Hawty & Nawty
Posts: 20424
| Douglas J Gordon - 2016-05-05 9:52 AM RidenFly - 2016-05-04 11:46 AM Trump and Mitt don't mix.
Here's my take.
Condoleeza Rice is the insider that has respect and will gain minority votes.
Marco Rubio is also respected as insider and still can spark an interest with minority.
Kelly Ayotte is a woman. Seems like that's enough these days.
Rudi Guilliani is my personal choice but he's not an insider in D.C.
A wierd combo but could be interesting is John McCain.
There's a congresswoman here that is kicking tail in Arizona named Martha McSally. An ex fighter pilot. OMG she is amazing. Scott and Carol would love this woman. I like Rubio as VP. Cruz as S. Court Justice. Then they can compare hands in the Oval office. True they wouldn't mix. Mitt has to much class for Donald
In my best Sheldon Cooper voice; "That's your opinion."
| |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | RidenFly - 2016-05-04 9:46 AM
Trump and Mitt don't mix.
Here's my take.
Condoleeza Rice is the insider that has respect and will gain minority votes.
Marco Rubio is also respected as insider and still can spark an interest with minority.
Kelly Ayotte is a woman. Seems like that's enough these days.
Rudi Guilliani is my personal choice but he's not an insider in D.C.
A wierd combo but could be interesting is John McCain.
There's a congresswoman here that is kicking tail in Arizona named Martha McSally. An ex fighter pilot. OMG she is amazing. Scott and Carol would love this woman.
I would really like Condoleeza Rice or Rudi Guilliani. I don't know Kelly Ayotte or Martha McSally . I'll have to look into them if either are selected. None of the rest interest me at all. | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | RidenFly - 2016-05-04 12:46 PM Trump and Mitt don't mix.
Here's my take.
Condoleeza Rice is the insider that has respect and will gain minority votes.
Marco Rubio is also respected as insider and still can spark an interest with minority.
Kelly Ayotte is a woman. Seems like that's enough these days.
Rudi Guilliani is my personal choice but he's not an insider in D.C.
A wierd combo but could be interesting is John McCain.
There's a congresswoman here that is kicking tail in Arizona named Martha McSally. An ex fighter pilot. OMG she is amazing. Scott and Carol would love this woman.
I hope he finds a place for Condi---not sure it will be VP, she HATES campaigning and has voiced her opinion on it.
I would like Rubio----youth, and Florida.
Susana Martinez is a name that keeps popping up--Governor of NM. Don't know a lot about her though.
Newt Gingrich----hope he finds a place for him also but doubt it will be VP.
Scott Walker---another possibility.
More than VP----who he would nominate for Supreme Court Justice is HUGE.
| |
| | |
Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| Sec. Rice will NEVER accept that ticket and I mean NEVER. | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | jbhoot - 2016-05-04 12:59 PM Sec. Rice will NEVER accept that ticket and I mean NEVER.
Agree.
I was just reading an article that puts Jim Jordan a Senator from Ohio on the list. This is a great great guy---I would love if this would happen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| |
| | |
 Veteran
Posts: 178
Location: IL | I think, as of 35 minutes ago John Kasich has stepped down (unofficially from CNN news), but what is so bad about him?? | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Kizzy_177 - 2016-05-04 10:16 AM
I think, as of 35 minutes ago John Kasich has stepped down (unofficially from CNN news), but what is so bad about him??
The first two things that come to mind are the 2nd Amendment and Social Security. He's on the wrong side of both. Plus he's a jerk. | |
| | |
| Dinero10 - 2016-05-04 11:28 AM
GrahamKayleigh - 2016-05-04 9:48 AM Got this from my preacher.... I am NOT a Trump supporter, I voted for Cruz. However this November I will vote Trump, because I can not vote Hillary! Now I realize there are many of you who will say " you can't violate your convictions and vote Trump because he is not a Christian." I would like to take this moment to say God can work through the ungodly just as He can the Godly. For example, when God used Joseph to influence the Pharaoh and saved Israel from a massive famine. Also, when God used Daniel to show Nebuchadnezzar who the One true God is. So all that being said, I will pray for the salvation of Donald Trump, and I will pray that Godly men will surround him, should he become President to steer this country back to God.
may I use your quote on FB persay - this is very good. The lord does work thru unbelievers or ungodly people.....
Joseph is a great example. Did a bible study on him last night and his intregrity and how Mr. pontifar and Pharoah saw his goodness, and the lord bless Egpyt because of Joseph. Jospeh still had some trials though - Mrs. P - bad woman.
Yes you sure can! | |
| | |
Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | Trump hasn't spent much money, because he hasn't needed to. The media, social media, etc, has kept him in the headlines, and you just can't buy that level of coverage.
Now, both Clinton and Tump have high unfavorable ratings. The general election will be about voting AGAINST the candidate, not necessarily about voting for a candidate. And since the electorial delegates will be making the final choice, I see Trump as having the edge. He is a deal maker after all....
As for a VP candidate, I just don't see him picking the traditional way. Nothing about his campaign has been normal or along traditional lines, he'll think outside the box and pick someone that has strong foreign affairs experience, maybe strong military background. This person will energize the conservative base and that he can trust to have his back. His choice will also garner much needed GOP $$$...
Kasich may be an outside option. Paul Ryan would be an excellent choice. Or someone that can pull in the western states...
Carson and Christy will have cabinet positions.
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 1395
Location: Missouri | Dinero10 - 2016-05-04 11:28 AM
GrahamKayleigh - 2016-05-04 9:48 AM Got this from my preacher.... I am NOT a Trump supporter, I voted for Cruz. However this November I will vote Trump, because I can not vote Hillary! Now I realize there are many of you who will say " you can't violate your convictions and vote Trump because he is not a Christian." I would like to take this moment to say God can work through the ungodly just as He can the Godly. For example, when God used Joseph to influence the Pharaoh and saved Israel from a massive famine. Also, when God used Daniel to show Nebuchadnezzar who the One true God is. So all that being said, I will pray for the salvation of Donald Trump, and I will pray that Godly men will surround him, should he become President to steer this country back to God.
may I use your quote on FB persay - this is very good. The lord does work thru unbelievers or ungodly people.....
Joseph is a great example. Did a bible study on him last night and his intregrity and how Mr. pontifar and Pharoah saw his goodness, and the lord bless Egpyt because of Joseph. Jospeh still had some trials though - Mrs. P - bad woman.
Yes! This! Thank you for bringing up Biblical examples of how God used ungodly men for His purposes!
As much as I don't WANT to vote for Trump....every no vote, write in, or vote for a third party is a vote for Hilary, unfortunately. :( | |
| | |
Regular
Posts: 68
| Anniemae - 2016-05-04 1:07 PM
Trump hasn't spent much money, because he hasn't needed to. The media, social media, etc, has kept him in the headlines, and you just can't buy that level of coverage.
Now, both Clinton and Tump have high unfavorable ratings. The general election will be about voting AGAINST the candidate, not necessarily about voting for a candidate. And since the electorial delegates will be making the final choice, I see Trump as having the edge. He is a deal maker after all....
As for a VP candidate, I just don't see him picking the traditional way. Nothing about his campaign has been normal or along traditional lines, he'll think outside the box and pick someone that has strong foreign affairs experience, maybe strong military background. This person will energize the conservative base and that he can trust to have his back. His choice will also garner much needed GOP $$$...
Kasich may be an outside option. Paul Ryan would be an excellent choice. Or someone that can pull in the western states...
Carson and Christy will have cabinet positions.
Absolutely Carson, I will bet money on it | |
| | |
Guys Just Wanna Have Fun
Posts: 5530
Location: OH | Reester - 2016-05-04 3:46 PM Anniemae - 2016-05-04 1:07 PM Trump hasn't spent much money, because he hasn't needed to. The media, social media, etc, has kept him in the headlines, and you just can't buy that level of coverage.
Now, both Clinton and Tump have high unfavorable ratings. The general election will be about voting AGAINST the candidate, not necessarily about voting for a candidate. And since the electorial delegates will be making the final choice, I see Trump as having the edge. He is a deal maker after all....
As for a VP candidate, I just don't see him picking the traditional way. Nothing about his campaign has been normal or along traditional lines, he'll think outside the box and pick someone that has strong foreign affairs experience, maybe strong military background. This person will energize the conservative base and that he can trust to have his back. His choice will also garner much needed GOP $$$...
Kasich may be an outside option. Paul Ryan would be an excellent choice. Or someone that can pull in the western states...
Carson and Christy will have cabinet positions.
Absolutely Carson, I will bet money on it
I don't think so---Trump has stated that he doesn't feel the TWO outsiders are needed. | |
| | |
That's White "Man" to You
Posts: 5515
| Reester - 2016-05-04 2:46 PM Anniemae - 2016-05-04 1:07 PM Trump hasn't spent much money, because he hasn't needed to. The media, social media, etc, has kept him in the headlines, and you just can't buy that level of coverage.
Now, both Clinton and Tump have high unfavorable ratings. The general election will be about voting AGAINST the candidate, not necessarily about voting for a candidate. And since the electorial delegates will be making the final choice, I see Trump as having the edge. He is a deal maker after all....
As for a VP candidate, I just don't see him picking the traditional way. Nothing about his campaign has been normal or along traditional lines, he'll think outside the box and pick someone that has strong foreign affairs experience, maybe strong military background. This person will energize the conservative base and that he can trust to have his back. His choice will also garner much needed GOP $$$...
Kasich may be an outside option. Paul Ryan would be an excellent choice. Or someone that can pull in the western states...
Carson and Christy will have cabinet positions.
Absolutely Carson, I will bet money on it
He said he would put Carson on the committee to select a vp. | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Anniemae - 2016-05-04 1:07 PM Trump hasn't spent much money, because he hasn't needed to. The media, social media, etc, has kept him in the headlines, and you just can't buy that level of coverage.
Now, both Clinton and Tump have high unfavorable ratings. The general election will be about voting AGAINST the candidate, not necessarily about voting for a candidate. And since the electorial delegates will be making the final choice, I see Trump as having the edge. He is a deal maker after all....
As for a VP candidate, I just don't see him picking the traditional way. Nothing about his campaign has been normal or along traditional lines, he'll think outside the box and pick someone that has strong foreign affairs experience, maybe strong military background. This person will energize the conservative base and that he can trust to have his back. His choice will also garner much needed GOP $$$...
Kasich may be an outside option. Paul Ryan would be an excellent choice. Or someone that can pull in the western states...
Carson and Christy will have cabinet positions.
Seriously? Paul Ryan? | |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | oija - 2016-05-03 10:06 PM
foundation horse - 2016-05-03 6:02 PM
oija - 2016-05-03 12:32 PM
NFM - 2016-05-03 10:38 AM
The college system is going to implode itself. No institution can keep all the tenured teachers on full pay (teaching 3-6 hours, if any) while having to hire other full-time teachers to teach the rest of their classes. It can't work. Hence the outrageous tuition. Now, when graduates don't get jobs and have high tuition, college may be out the window. Technical school may be the ticket.
Can you imagine tuition prices if the government pays for students to go? Colleges are not run by top business people.
Ignorance is bliss.
Currently as a professor I teach 12 hours and most semesters teach 15. I have a two course release to run our Writing Center and tutor 6 hours a week in addition to my regular load. In effect I do the same work as teaching 18 hours with some of my teaching load replaced by tutoring. The professors who teach less at universities often have very heavy research loads and must publish every 3-6 years or lose their jobs, tenure or not. Do you like the fact that open heart surgery can be done, well university research pays for those types of advances. All of these I know also teach a minimum of 9 hours still or 3 classes, even with the research load. I do not have much of a research load but a heavy teaching load. And all those 'full time' teachers hired to teach for those who may teach fewer than 15 hours are not full time at all but part-time adjuncts making less than 2000 per class. If they teach their full permitted load (3 classes one semester and 4 the next and one class in the summer ), they make a whopping 16000 a year gross, not really bringing home the bacon are they. A huge part of the problem is that people forget that EDUCATION IS NOT A BUSINESS. The problem is that colleges have hired too many business people. Used to be administrative work was done part time by the faculty. The faculty ran colleges, not just in teaching but day to day business too. It saved a hell of a lot of money and kept institutions focused on what they were there for, teaching and research to advance their communities. Instead half the staff of colleges have some type of education/business degree. They have no experience in the classroom and unfamiliar with student needs. These people pursue degrees just to avoid the classroom and make the higher administrative salaries. So we fund a ton of middle management jobs making more money than teachers. That is your problem, not your instructors. And of course it makes tons of sense to pour as much public money as possible into prisons when demographic studies show that educated people are far far less likely to commit crimes. And most of those people getting college degrees, they would be your taxpayers funding these programs. Ask and see how many of them would rather pay to feed a murderer versus helping pay for a single mom's education so she can pay taxes and support her kids.
Well if college ain't a 'racket' then explain this please.....................
A military veteran with a College Transcript of 104 Credit Hours attempts to complete a degree in mechanical/aeronautical engineering, already has twenty plus years of real world hands experience. Speaks with multiple 'military friendly' schools. All the responses are variations of the same answer............We only allow (accept ) 40-50 of your college transcript hours. You will have to 80-100 of 'OUR' credit hours to finish out the degree plan. Please explain how this is not a 'racket' to enhance the 'military friendly' school's bank account?
There are problems with execution of any number of good ideas. This policy of getting a degree requiring at least a certain minimum of hours from the institution itself is based on the idea that certain universities specialize in certain methods or theories based on the research done there. Students may even choose to go to one over the other based on that particar program's curriculum. To truly be representative of that program, one must have a certain amount of exposure to its ideas. I knew I wanted my PhD from the get go but when talking to my professors they always recommeded I get my three degrees from different places as each one would expose me to different ideas and help build my critical thinking skills. It is much like horse training; the best trainers will absorb the theories and ideas of multiple other trainers. But just going to a week long clinic does not make one truly proficient in that method. An internship of several months or years is needed too. This is not just an idea adopted by only universities.
And twenty plus years (at the time) was not enough diversified experience to give a solid realistic background? Come on now! These "schools of higher learning" are making a mint on their students! And my real world scenario illustrates this to a "T"!
I actually find your response to be a 'tap dance' in defense of 'higher education' institutions.................................. | |
| | |
Go Your Own Way
Posts: 4947
Location: SE KS | GrahamKayleigh - 2016-05-04 1:02 PM Dinero10 - 2016-05-04 11:28 AM GrahamKayleigh - 2016-05-04 9:48 AM Got this from my preacher.... I am NOT a Trump supporter, I voted for Cruz. However this November I will vote Trump, because I can not vote Hillary! Now I realize there are many of you who will say " you can't violate your convictions and vote Trump because he is not a Christian." I would like to take this moment to say God can work through the ungodly just as He can the Godly. For example, when God used Joseph to influence the Pharaoh and saved Israel from a massive famine. Also, when God used Daniel to show Nebuchadnezzar who the One true God is. So all that being said, I will pray for the salvation of Donald Trump, and I will pray that Godly men will surround him, should he become President to steer this country back to God. may I use your quote on FB persay - this is very good. The lord does work thru unbelievers or ungodly people.....
Joseph is a great example. Did a bible study on him last night and his intregrity and how Mr. pontifar and Pharoah saw his goodness, and the lord bless Egpyt because of Joseph. Jospeh still had some trials though - Mrs. P - bad woman.
Yes you sure can!
GrahamKayleigh - thank you! | |
| | |
Hawty & Nawty
Posts: 20424
| The GOP is (surprisingly) graciously conceding the nominee to Trump. Reibus just tweeted as such, so to reward this effort, I bet Trump really does go for their holy child at the moment. That leave us with Ryan or Rubio.
But...
If he doesn't give a rip, and wants to stay in the headlines, he picks Palin. Since she's stumped for Trump in almost half of the states. Why would she unless...
Edited by RidenFly 2016-05-04 5:24 PM
| |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | RidenFly - 2016-05-04 5:22 PM The GOP is (surprisingly) graciously conceding the nominee to Trump. Reibus just tweeted as such, so to reward this effort, I bet Trump really does go for their holy child at the moment. That leave us with Ryan or Rubio.
But...
If he doesn't give a rip, and wants to stay in the headlines, he picks Palin. Since she's stumped for Trump in almost half of the states. Why would she unless...
Hopefully, he isn't THAT stupid.....she jumped in to "help" him in Iowa and he promptly lost the state....she stumped for him in ALASKA and couldn't even get voters to support him there....that would be suicide for him to pick her! | |
| | |
 Firecracker Dog Lover
Posts: 3175
| 1DSoon - 2016-05-04 9:24 AM OregonBR - 2016-05-04 12:11 PM The Donald has been getting a lot of votes. I think he'll win the presidency IF there are no shenanigans with the votes. I don't get people throwing their sucker in the dirt and not voting at all. This is the process. It's not perfect but it's what we have. I personally don't like the delegate system. It undermines the popular vote of the people. I don't listen to polls. They are SO wrong many times it's amazing.
you would really be up a creek if we did not have this process in place.
It has been perverted over time, but still affords a great deal of protection for the masses.
Has hell frozen over and I have not heard about it? First time I think I have agreed with 1DSoon! | |
| | |
Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| RidenFly - 2016-05-04 5:22 PM
The GOP is (surprisingly) graciously conceding the nominee to Trump. Reibus just tweeted as such, so to reward this effort, I bet Trump really does go for their holy child at the moment. That leave us with Ryan or Rubio.
But...
If he doesn't give a rip, and wants to stay in the headlines, he picks Palin. Since she's stumped for Trump in almost half of the states. Why would she unless...
No way will either Ryan or Rubio latch on to this. They both would like to have a future. | |
| | |
Hawty & Nawty
Posts: 20424
| NJJ - 2016-05-05 3:29 PM RidenFly - 2016-05-04 5:22 PM The GOP is (surprisingly) graciously conceding the nominee to Trump. Reibus just tweeted as such, so to reward this effort, I bet Trump really does go for their holy child at the moment. That leave us with Ryan or Rubio.
But...
If he doesn't give a rip, and wants to stay in the headlines, he picks Palin. Since she's stumped for Trump in almost half of the states. Why would she unless...
Hopefully, he isn't THAT stupid.....she jumped in to "help" him in Iowa and he promptly lost the state....she stumped for him in ALASKA and couldn't even get voters to support him there....that would be suicide for him to pick her!
Trump likes to stay in the headlines...that's why I mentioned her. | |
| | |
Location: Not Where I Want to Be | brlraceaddict - 2016-05-04 6:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-05-04 9:24 AM OregonBR - 2016-05-04 12:11 PM The Donald has been getting a lot of votes. I think he'll win the presidency IF there are no shenanigans with the votes. I don't get people throwing their sucker in the dirt and not voting at all. This is the process. It's not perfect but it's what we have. I personally don't like the delegate system. It undermines the popular vote of the people. I don't listen to polls. They are SO wrong many times it's amazing.
you would really be up a creek if we did not have this process in place.
It has been perverted over time, but still affords a great deal of protection for the masses.
remember that feeling
That's how it feels to be right.
| |
| | |
Warmblood with Wings
Posts: 27846
Location: Florida.. | RidenFly - 2016-05-04 7:57 PM NJJ - 2016-05-05 3:29 PM RidenFly - 2016-05-04 5:22 PM The GOP is (surprisingly) graciously conceding the nominee to Trump. Reibus just tweeted as such, so to reward this effort, I bet Trump really does go for their holy child at the moment. That leave us with Ryan or Rubio.
But...
If he doesn't give a rip, and wants to stay in the headlines, he picks Palin. Since she's stumped for Trump in almost half of the states. Why would she unless...
Hopefully, he isn't THAT stupid.....she jumped in to "help" him in Iowa and he promptly lost the state....she stumped for him in ALASKA and couldn't even get voters to support him there....that would be suicide for him to pick her!
yes he does but he doesnt want to lose.. | |
| | |
Nut Case Expert
Posts: 9305
Location: Tulsa, Ok | Bibliafarm - 2016-05-04 9:18 PM RidenFly - 2016-05-04 7:57 PM NJJ - 2016-05-05 3:29 PM RidenFly - 2016-05-04 5:22 PM The GOP is (surprisingly) graciously conceding the nominee to Trump. Reibus just tweeted as such, so to reward this effort, I bet Trump really does go for their holy child at the moment. That leave us with Ryan or Rubio.
But...
If he doesn't give a rip, and wants to stay in the headlines, he picks Palin. Since she's stumped for Trump in almost half of the states. Why would she unless...
Hopefully, he isn't THAT stupid.....she jumped in to "help" him in Iowa and he promptly lost the state....she stumped for him in ALASKA and couldn't even get voters to support him there....that would be suicide for him to pick her!
There has been some talk about Trump choosing Oklahoma governor Mary Fallin as his vp. Great - she is about finished gutting this state so why not on to bigger and better things. | |
| | |
Dancing in my Mind
Posts: 3062
Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | Kizzy_177 - 2016-05-04 12:16 PM
I think, as of 35 minutes ago John Kasich has stepped down (unofficially from CNN news), but what is so bad about him??
Can't say he has done much for Ohio. Ashamed this state voted for him....yet again why my heart is in WVa ;) | |
| | |
Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | Who has strong a foreign affairs and/or military resume? Someone who knows the in/outs of DC.
This will not be your normal VP choice, nothing has been normal in this race... someone outside the box, with the right resume. | |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Allen West | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | foundation horse - 2016-05-05 7:17 AM Allen West
Allen is like Ben Carson, just a bit too stoic and laid back.
| |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Condolezza Rice's name always comes up when discussing attractive running mates or VP picks, and she has repeatedly declined in no uncertain terms. It would be nice, but it won't happen.
This idea of "foreign policy experience" is a little overblown. Washington is teeming with career people in foreign policy experience. Reagan had none. Clinton had none. Bush, 43, had none. Obama had none. It's not absolutely mandatory. Hillary, on the other hand, has tons of it......that alone should tell you how much that really matters.
It's a fun game to guess VP picks, but with Trump especially, good luck with that. That being said, I'm intrigued with this idea that Susanna Martinez, the NM governor, would be a smart pick. She is evidently popular and won re-election. She's a Latino and a woman.
Might be a smart pick, depending on whether or not she's one of the #NeverTrump crowd.
| |
| | |
Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| Who ever he picks that person better be able to deliver that states electoral delegate's and it better be state with a lot of delegate's because he heads into the general way behind in the delegate count. Other than Florida his record so far in the battleground states sucks. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | Doubt Martinez would go for Trump's policies to tighten up the borders. Most Hispanics don't.
| |
| | |
Hawty & Nawty
Posts: 20424
| Newt Gingrich would be a good match for the Donald. He's an insider and has a good grasp of foreign policies. Plus, they could comb each other's hair. | |
| | |
Member
Posts: 43
| TOM BRADY | |
| | |
Member
Posts: 43
| or Selena Gomez | |
| | |
Location: Not Where I Want to Be | TO Cookie Monster - 2016-05-05 9:41 AM
or Selena Gomez
Demi Lovato is more matronly.
better fit
| |
| | |
Hugs to You
Posts: 7550
Location: In The Land of Cotton | Me, I like Ronald Mcdonald. | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Do any of you actually research to see what position your candidate has on important issues or is this simply a popularity contest? Like voting for prom king or queen? | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | OregonBR - 2016-05-05 12:07 PM
Do any of you actually research to see what position your candidate has on important issues or is this simply a popularity contest? Like voting for prom king or queen?
I was wondering the same thing. | |
| | |
Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | Bear - 2016-05-05 5:50 AM Condolezza Rice's name always comes up when discussing attractive running mates or VP picks, and she has repeatedly declined in no uncertain terms. It would be nice, but it won't happen. This idea of "foreign policy experience" is a little overblown. Washington is teeming with career people in foreign policy experience. Reagan had none. Clinton had none. Bush, 43, had none. Obama had none. It's not absolutely mandatory. Hillary, on the other hand, has tons of it......that alone should tell you how much that really matters. It's a fun game to guess VP picks, but with Trump especially, good luck with that. That being said, I'm intrigued with this idea that Susanna Martinez, the NM governor, would be a smart pick. She is evidently popular and won re-election. She's a Latino and a woman. Might be a smart pick, depending on whether or not she's one of the #NeverTrump crowd.
You made my point. Trumps VP pick needs military and/or foreign affairs background
Reagan/Bush 41 - CIA/Military
Clinton/Gore - Military
Bush 43/Cheney - Secretary of Defence/Halliburton
Obama/Biden - Foreign relations
I'm leaning more towards military experience for his VP pick. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't think it's mandatory. Voters typically aren't that sophisticated. Trump needs a running mate with whom he's compatible, and most importantly who will broaden his appeal. | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bear - 2016-05-05 7:50 AM Condolezza Rice's name always comes up when discussing attractive running mates or VP picks, and she has repeatedly declined in no uncertain terms. It would be nice, but it won't happen. This idea of "foreign policy experience" is a little overblown. Washington is teeming with career people in foreign policy experience. Reagan had none. Clinton had none. Bush, 43, had none. Obama had none. It's not absolutely mandatory. Hillary, on the other hand, has tons of it......that alone should tell you how much that really matters. It's a fun game to guess VP picks, but with Trump especially, good luck with that. That being said, I'm intrigued with this idea that Susanna Martinez, the NM governor, would be a smart pick. She is evidently popular and won re-election. She's a Latino and a woman. Might be a smart pick, depending on whether or not she's one of the #NeverTrump crowd.
She sure leans to the left and runs a liberal state. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | Nevertooold - 2016-05-05 1:57 PM Bear - 2016-05-05 7:50 AM Condolezza Rice's name always comes up when discussing attractive running mates or VP picks, and she has repeatedly declined in no uncertain terms. It would be nice, but it won't happen. This idea of "foreign policy experience" is a little overblown. Washington is teeming with career people in foreign policy experience. Reagan had none. Clinton had none. Bush, 43, had none. Obama had none. It's not absolutely mandatory. Hillary, on the other hand, has tons of it......that alone should tell you how much that really matters. It's a fun game to guess VP picks, but with Trump especially, good luck with that. That being said, I'm intrigued with this idea that Susanna Martinez, the NM governor, would be a smart pick. She is evidently popular and won re-election. She's a Latino and a woman. Might be a smart pick, depending on whether or not she's one of the #NeverTrump crowd. She sure leans to the left and runs a liberal state.
Common sense tells you Latino voters got her "in" and they can also take her "out."
| |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-05-05 1:57 PM
Bear - 2016-05-05 7:50 AM Condolezza Rice's name always comes up when discussing attractive running mates or VP picks, and she has repeatedly declined in no uncertain terms. It would be nice, but it won't happen. This idea of "foreign policy experience" is a little overblown. Washington is teeming with career people in foreign policy experience. Reagan had none. Clinton had none. Bush, 43, had none. Obama had none. It's not absolutely mandatory. Hillary, on the other hand, has tons of it......that alone should tell you how much that really matters. It's a fun game to guess VP picks, but with Trump especially, good luck with that. That being said, I'm intrigued with this idea that Susanna Martinez, the NM governor, would be a smart pick. She is evidently popular and won re-election. She's a Latino and a woman. Might be a smart pick, depending on whether or not she's one of the #NeverTrump crowd.
She sure leans to the left and runs a liberal state.
I didn't know she's a liberal. I haven't really followed her. She sure seems popular. | |
| | |
 Extreme Veteran
Posts: 434
Location: Northwest Florida | Trump's got my vote! | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Frodo - 2016-05-05 8:09 AM Doubt Martinez would go for Trump's policies to tighten up the borders. Most Hispanics don't.
She did try to end allowing illegals to get driver licenses and it didn't pass. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | Well, this is interesting, Ben Carson counted himself out as a VP nominee and indicated he thinks Trump might pick a Dem VP.
| |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | Frodo - 2016-05-05 8:50 PM Well, this is interesting, Ben Carson counted himself out as a VP nominee and indicated he thinks Trump might pick a Dem VP.
LOL.....Well, that should make all of the conservative Republicans happy....just more "pandering" by Trump....He has already done a back flip on increasing the minimum wage......hoping that the Democrats will swallow it....... | |
| | |
Warmblood with Wings
Posts: 27846
Location: Florida.. | NJJ - 2016-05-05 10:40 PM Frodo - 2016-05-05 8:50 PM Well, this is interesting, Ben Carson counted himself out as a VP nominee and indicated he thinks Trump might pick a Dem VP.
LOL.....Well, that should make all of the conservative Republicans happy....just more "pandering" by Trump....He has already done a back flip on increasing the minimum wage......hoping that the Democrats will swallow it.......
for every ad stating that minimum wage .. there was 2 saying he didnt support raising it.. so.......................... | |
| | |
| FOLKS: I want to let y'all know that Ted Cruz saying that he is suspending his campaign means it's him not quitting. He said he is gonna keep fighting & he is not giving up...the same things that our former president Reagan said.
***Reagan also suspended his campaign before the California primary*** because he was falling way behind from the person he was running against. But behind the suspension, Reagan was strategizing, picking up delegates behind the scene & lots of prayer & fasting................................ **The media hated Reagan too & he had to get the media out of the way & that's what Cruz is doing!
***Cruzers, y'all NEVER give up! Cruz is doing a Reagan strategy. Reagan also said his VP pick right before the California primary & Ted is doing the same!
Reagan won California primary & he later on went to a contested convention & won! History is repeating itself & everyone should NEVER give up! That's what the media wants you to think but God has an Ace up His sleeve & Trump is it
You will find Rubio and Kasich at the convention adding their delegates to Cruz ... while trying to recruit Trump's delegates .... IT'S NOT OVER TIL THE FAT LADY SINGS ... AND THERE AIN'T NO FAT LADY .. lol | |
| | |
| READ TWICE OR THRICE UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS HAPPENING WITH HILLARY AND OBAMA SUPREME COURT JUDGES ..
 (2016 VOTE SUPREME COURT MATTERS 50 85.jpg)
 (2016 VOTE SUPREME COURT MATTERS 50 85.jpg)
Attachments
----------------
 2016 VOTE SUPREME COURT MATTERS 50 85.jpg (84KB - 149 downloads)
2016 VOTE SUPREME COURT MATTERS 50 85.jpg (84KB - 146 downloads)
| |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | If you listen to Dennis Michael Lynch who produced "They Come to America," if not already, in only a short time the Republican party will be obsolete. "Illegal Democrats" coming in droves across our border will dominate our polls on every level. Dem means "free stuff" and this is what they're looking for. Why do you think the Obama administration is so intent on "not" stopping them. On DirectTV I'm watching Hispanic commercials and paying for Hispanic movies. Very disturbing.
Sorry I hit the top of the page. Don't miss BarrelHorseUSA's comments on the bottom of the past page.
Edited by Frodo 2016-05-06 5:52 AM
| |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bibliafarm - 2016-05-05 9:53 PM NJJ - 2016-05-05 10:40 PM Frodo - 2016-05-05 8:50 PM Well, this is interesting, Ben Carson counted himself out as a VP nominee and indicated he thinks Trump might pick a Dem VP.
LOL.....Well, that should make all of the conservative Republicans happy....just more "pandering" by Trump....He has already done a back flip on increasing the minimum wage......hoping that the Democrats will swallow it.......
Yesterday...........
http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/05/news/economy/candidates-minimum-wage/
Edited by NJJ 2016-05-06 6:39 AM
| |
| | |
 ...Dot Dot Dot...
Posts: 2062
Location: SW New Mexico | RidenFly - 2016-05-06 7:26 AM
Newt Gingrich would be a good match for the Donald. He's an insider and has a good grasp of foreign policies. Plus, they could comb each other's hair.
As a native New Mexican, I am totally dis enchanted with Susana Martinez..and I voted for her. Better than another Dem in office!!!
That being said..............................
She may have tried to stop the illegal licenses, but she's not trying THAT hard..........
The dems fight her. She has no heart to stand up to those good ol' democrat boys that are fat and well fed off the public taxes, and.......... they stay in office!!!
She is absent on any comments or even concern about our safety and closing the border.........
I live 100 miles from the border, it's wide open.............
there's NO fence for most of it. Just the impressive fence that spans at sanctioned crossings, then, it turns into barb wire..............
She took over a state that was raped fiscally by Bill Richardson (D).. and hasn't improved anything..........
She ruined the NM education system putting Hannah Skandera in charge, who has never even been a educator, at all...........
The DD waiver has also been tinkered with, and individuals with disabilities, are waiting months longer for budget approvals and services...
But welfare is at a all time high, and the abuse is rampant........ I watch it all the time. People use their EBT card to buy a can of soda, or pack of cigarettes......... the shopping carts are full of crap, chips, and pop, and I'm barely making enough for hamburger meat .......
As far as a candidate for VP.. no way.............
JMHO...
Edited by jettster 2016-05-06 11:53 AM
| |
| | |
Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-05 11:18 PM FOLKS: I want to let y'all know that Ted Cruz saying that he is suspending his campaign means it's him not quitting. He said he is gonna keep fighting & he is not giving up...the same things that our former president Reagan said. ***Reagan also suspended his campaign before the California primary*** because he was falling way behind from the person he was running against. But behind the suspension, Reagan was strategizing, picking up delegates behind the scene & lots of prayer & fasting................................ **The media hated Reagan too & he had to get the media out of the way & that's what Cruz is doing! ***Cruzers, y'all NEVER give up! Cruz is doing a Reagan strategy. Reagan also said his VP pick right before the California primary & Ted is doing the same! Reagan won California primary & he later on went to a contested convention & won! History is repeating itself & everyone should NEVER give up! That's what the media wants you to think but God has an Ace up His sleeve & Trump is it You will find Rubio and Kasich at the convention adding their delegates to Cruz ... while trying to recruit Trump's delegates .... IT'S NOT OVER TIL THE FAT LADY SINGS ... AND THERE AIN'T NO FAT LADY .. lol
Cruz doesn't have the establishment support, not going to happen.
Nothing about this primary season has been historical, predictable or normal... If Trump does not get the nomination now, you will see a complete and catastrophic split in the party. The voters have spoken. Reagan didn't have social media and instaneous news reporting to deal with... apples and oranges, times have changed.
If the party doesn't unite behind Trump, Clinton will win... then this country is really screwed for decades! Trump is the republican nominee (presumptive) and we all better get behind him 110%.
| |
| | |
Veteran
Posts: 196
Location: Pittsburg, Texas | Trump has this 2016 Woman's vote. He can't be bought and he says just what the silent majority feels. Gooooo TRUMP    | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Anniemae - 2016-05-06 11:51 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-05 11:18 PM FOLKS: I want to let y'all know that Ted Cruz saying that he is suspending his campaign means it's him not quitting. He said he is gonna keep fighting & he is not giving up...the same things that our former president Reagan said. ***Reagan also suspended his campaign before the California primary*** because he was falling way behind from the person he was running against. But behind the suspension, Reagan was strategizing, picking up delegates behind the scene & lots of prayer & fasting................................ **The media hated Reagan too & he had to get the media out of the way & that's what Cruz is doing! ***Cruzers, y'all NEVER give up! Cruz is doing a Reagan strategy. Reagan also said his VP pick right before the California primary & Ted is doing the same! Reagan won California primary & he later on went to a contested convention & won! History is repeating itself & everyone should NEVER give up! That's what the media wants you to think but God has an Ace up His sleeve & Trump is it You will find Rubio and Kasich at the convention adding their delegates to Cruz ... while trying to recruit Trump's delegates .... IT'S NOT OVER TIL THE FAT LADY SINGS ... AND THERE AIN'T NO FAT LADY .. lol
Cruz doesn't have the establishment support, not going to happen.
Nothing about this primary season has been historical, predictable or normal... If Trump does not get the nomination now, you will see a complete and catastrophic split in the party. The voters have spoken. Reagan didn't have social media and instaneous news reporting to deal with... apples and oranges, times have changed.
If the party doesn't unite behind Trump, Clinton will win... then this country is really screwed for decades! Trump is the republican nominee (presumptive) and we all better get behind him 110%.
https://youtu.be/6DUdn1-NUVI Cruz is NOT eligible for any office. He's not even eligible for the TX senate. | |
| | |
Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| OregonBR - 2016-05-06 4:32 PM
Anniemae - 2016-05-06 11:51 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-05 11:18 PM FOLKS: I want to let y'all know that Ted Cruz saying that he is suspending his campaign means it's him not quitting. He said he is gonna keep fighting & he is not giving up...the same things that our former president Reagan said. ***Reagan also suspended his campaign before the California primary*** because he was falling way behind from the person he was running against. But behind the suspension, Reagan was strategizing, picking up delegates behind the scene & lots of prayer & fasting................................ **The media hated Reagan too & he had to get the media out of the way & that's what Cruz is doing! ***Cruzers, y'all NEVER give up! Cruz is doing a Reagan strategy. Reagan also said his VP pick right before the California primary & Ted is doing the same! Reagan won California primary & he later on went to a contested convention & won! History is repeating itself & everyone should NEVER give up! That's what the media wants you to think but God has an Ace up His sleeve & Trump is it You will find Rubio and Kasich at the convention adding their delegates to Cruz ... while trying to recruit Trump's delegates .... IT'S NOT OVER TIL THE FAT LADY SINGS ... AND THERE AIN'T NO FAT LADY .. lol
Cruz doesn't have the establishment support, not going to happen.
Nothing about this primary season has been historical, predictable or normal... If Trump does not get the nomination now, you will see a complete and catastrophic split in the party. The voters have spoken. Reagan didn't have social media and instaneous news reporting to deal with... apples and oranges, times have changed.
If the party doesn't unite behind Trump, Clinton will win... then this country is really screwed for decades! Trump is the republican nominee (presumptive) and we all better get behind him 110%. Cruz is NOT eligible for any office. He's not even eligible for the TX senate.
Oh for crying out loud!!!! please just stop it. PLEASE go read the " The Naturalization Act of1790" as per this act he clearly IS a natural born citizen. The only gray area is it has never been ruled by the Supreme Court. Why because it has been ruled on by several lower courts and has always been affirmed and never made it to the high court. And by the way in this election it also has been ruled on and Cruz was ruled eligible. In our entire history it is the only time that congress defined Natural born citizen and it hasn't changed since 1790. | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | It doesn't matter what the 1790 law says. There is more recent law for when he was born. | |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2016-05-06 5:49 PM It doesn't matter what the 1790 law says. There is more recent law for when he was born.
Would you care to share that law? ???? | |
| | |
Elite Veteran
Posts: 962
|
I know it is a common talking point for Trump supporters to repeat his claim that he self funds. Trump has loaned his campaign $36 million dollars that can be paid back through campaign donations. While he claims self funding, he has now turned to general election campaign donation requests since a run will cost well over a billion dollars. His new financial guru was the head of a bank that enjoyed bailouts from the government, made millions of dollars, then foreclosed on over 30,000 families.
A good thing to keep in mind with Trump is not everything he says is based in fact, in fact not anything. But if you are ok with that, more power to you. | |
| | |
 Strong Willed Woman
Posts: 6577
Location: Prosser, WA | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-07 6:40 AM
I know it is a common talking point for Trump supporters to repeat his claim that he self funds. Trump has loaned his campaign $36 million dollars that can be paid back through campaign donations. While he claims self funding, he has now turned to general election campaign donation requests since a run will cost well over a billion dollars. His new financial guru was the head of a bank that enjoyed bailouts from the government, made millions of dollars, then foreclosed on over 30,000 families.
A good thing to keep in mind with Trump is not everything he says is based in fact, in fact not anything. But if you are ok with that, more power to you.
Wait. Is there such a thing as a politician that even half of what they say is fact based?. LOL. | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | NJJ - 2016-05-06 5:01 PM
OregonBR - 2016-05-06 5:49 PM It doesn't matter what the 1790 law says. There is more recent law for when he was born.
Would you care to share that law? ????
Why don't you guys do your own research? I've read several "papers" written by scholars about the subject. Here's one. Knock yourself out. I love how people here always deny, deny, deny but don't ever READ what's given to them to support the opinion. If you want another illegal in the highest office of our government, I'm not going to help you. Obama wasn't held to account for his illegal run for office and might never be. I can't believe you people will hide your heads in the sand YET AGAIN!
http://northamericanlawcenter.org/ted-cruz-is-in-the-u-s-senate-ill... | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-07 6:40 AM
I know it is a common talking point for Trump supporters to repeat his claim that he self funds. Trump has loaned his campaign $36 million dollars that can be paid back through campaign donations. While he claims self funding, he has now turned to general election campaign donation requests since a run will cost well over a billion dollars. His new financial guru was the head of a bank that enjoyed bailouts from the government, made millions of dollars, then foreclosed on over 30,000 families.
A good thing to keep in mind with Trump is not everything he says is based in fact, in fact not anything. But if you are ok with that, more power to you.
The alternative is WHO! The worst lying b*tch ever known?? A thief, murderer, communist, elitist, who cares nothing for anyone but herself? | |
| | |
Location: Wherever the Army sends my husband |
The alternative is WHO! The worst lying b*tch ever known?? A thief, murderer, communist, elitist, who cares nothing for anyone but herself?
THIS is what is most important to me. Love or hate Trump, he is the lesser evil. Hillary should be hung in a public square! Has Trump killed any of our soldiers? Unless someone can tell me he's raping children or burning puppies, there is nothing he's done that's remotely close to the evil Hillary is!
| |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2016-05-07 11:38 AM NJJ - 2016-05-06 5:01 PM OregonBR - 2016-05-06 5:49 PM It doesn't matter what the 1790 law says. There is more recent law for when he was born. Would you care to share that law? ???? Why don't you guys do your own research? I've read several "papers" written by scholars about the subject. Here's one. Knock yourself out. I love how people here always deny, deny, deny but don't ever READ what's given to them to support the opinion. If you want another illegal in the highest office of our government, I'm not going to help you. Obama wasn't held to account for his illegal run for office and might never be. I can't believe you people will hide your heads in the sand YET AGAIN! http://northamericanlawcenter.org/ted-cruz-is-in-the-u-s-senate-ill...
Thank you.....However, all you did was post another article regurgitating the same things as the previous video.....YOU stated that there was a more "recent" law .... I asked for that.
Additionally, you do realize that the supposed birth certificate does NOT have a "seal". It is SO easy to makes copies of whatever for a person to bolster their views ...... Neither of your sources have a legal background to make any kind of determination. The video features an "author" who wrote the Secret of OZ (impressive?) and the "expert" of the article that you posted in certainly NOT a legal scholar either. Here is his link....http://www.capitolhilloutsider.com/our-writers/jb-williams/ | |
| | |
Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-07 6:40 AM I know it is a common talking point for Trump supporters to repeat his claim that he self funds. Trump has loaned his campaign $36 million dollars that can be paid back through campaign donations. While he claims self funding, he has now turned to general election campaign donation requests since a run will cost well over a billion dollars. His new financial guru was the head of a bank that enjoyed bailouts from the government, made millions of dollars, then foreclosed on over 30,000 families. A good thing to keep in mind with Trump is not everything he says is based in fact, in fact not anything. But if you are ok with that, more power to you.
Trump said he was self funding the primaries, which he did (with a LOT of help from the media). The general election will cost somewhere between 1 and 2 billion $$$. Maybe even north of that.
He has opened up his election to donations. Any businessman worth his salt would, not even Trump is crazy enough to ransack his entire fortune against the Clinton machine. Would you bet everyting you had on the voting public? I wouldn't.
You may not like the presumptive nominee, you may not want to support him, you may even detest him. What is the alternative? This election will be voting against the opposite party, not necessarily because you support/back the candidate of your party. | |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | Anniemae - 2016-05-07 1:59 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-07 6:40 AM I know it is a common talking point for Trump supporters to repeat his claim that he self funds. Trump has loaned his campaign $36 million dollars that can be paid back through campaign donations. While he claims self funding, he has now turned to general election campaign donation requests since a run will cost well over a billion dollars. His new financial guru was the head of a bank that enjoyed bailouts from the government, made millions of dollars, then foreclosed on over 30,000 families. A good thing to keep in mind with Trump is not everything he says is based in fact, in fact not anything. But if you are ok with that, more power to you.
He has opened up his election to donations. Any businessman worth his salt would, not even Trump is crazy enough to ransack his entire fortune against the Clinton machine. Would you bet everyting you had on the voting public? I wouldn't.
You may not like the presumptive nominee, you may not want to support him, you may even detest him. What is the alternative? This election will be voting against the opposite party, not necessarily because you support/back the candidate of your party.
I think you have missed her point.....Trump bamboozled the masses by claiming to "self" fund (tell them what they want to hear).....Even though he told donors that he didn't want their money and kept touting that he was SELF funded....he WAS NOT (A LIE !)....He took in 7.8 MILLION in donations and LOANED his campaign the rest ...... he will be laughing all the way to the bank when he gets his "self funded" money back because he fooled you....and NOW he is going to accept funds...... and NOW, since it is going to cost billions.... you don't think he will take money that will have strings attached ???? | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAjznFRo5Vw&feature=youtu.be | |
| | |
Champ
Posts: 19623
Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | OregonBR - 2016-05-07 9:38 AM
NJJ - 2016-05-06 5:01 PM
OregonBR - 2016-05-06 5:49 PM It doesn't matter what the 1790 law says. There is more recent law for when he was born.
Would you care to share that law? ????
Why don't you guys do your own research? I've read several "papers" written by scholars about the subject. Here's one. Knock yourself out. I love how people here always deny, deny, deny but don't ever READ what's given to them to support the opinion. If you want another illegal in the highest office of our government, I'm not going to help you. Obama wasn't held to account for his illegal run for office and might never be. I can't believe you people will hide your heads in the sand YET AGAIN!
http://northamericanlawcenter.org/ted-cruz-is-in-the-u-s-senate-ill...
DID YOU READ THAT? WHY DO I HAVE TO DO ALL YOUR WORK FOR YOU? | |
| | |
Tried and True
Posts: 21185
Location: Where I am happiest | Frodo - 2016-05-05 8:50 PM Well, this is interesting, Ben Carson counted himself out as a VP nominee and indicated he thinks Trump might pick a Dem VP.
I have read a couple different news articles stating Trump is very seriously looking at Jim Webb. He is a Democrat. However..he was a republican not to many years ago before switching parties. He is a decorated retired Navy Seal and served in the Reagon Administration as assistant secretary of defence. He is very pro second ammendment. It just may be a genious move on Trumps part. I have never voted blue in my life, but I would vote for Webb. I could see a move like that solidifying the independant votes and those on the left who are vacating the lefts agenda. I believe it would also help get things done in the house and senate reaching across the isle. Webb is accepted by both parties. | |
| | |
Tried and True
Posts: 21185
Location: Where I am happiest | There was 2 different law suits filed THIS YEAR against Cruz's eligability and BOTH courts ruled he IS in fact eligable and is a LEGAL Natural born citizen. Same as when someone is in the military and deployed over seas and his wife gives birth in whatever country they are in at the time. That baby, is a natural born citizen dispite being born in another country. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | ThreeCorners - 2016-05-09 6:26 AM Frodo - 2016-05-05 8:50 PM Well, this is interesting, Ben Carson counted himself out as a VP nominee and indicated he thinks Trump might pick a Dem VP.
I have read a couple different news articles stating Trump is very seriously looking at Jim Webb. He is a Democrat. However..he was a republican not to many years ago before switching parties. He is a decorated retired Navy Seal and served in the Reagon Administration as assistant secretary of defence. He is very pro second ammendment. It just may be a genious move on Trumps part. I have never voted blue in my life, but I would vote for Webb. I could see a move like that solidifying the independant votes and those on the left who are vacating the lefts agenda. I believe it would also help get things done in the house and senate reaching across the isle. Webb is accepted by both parties.
Interesting point.......
| |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2016-05-08 10:15 PM OregonBR - 2016-05-07 9:38 AM NJJ - 2016-05-06 5:01 PM OregonBR - 2016-05-06 5:49 PM It doesn't matter what the 1790 law says. There is more recent law for when he was born. Would you care to share that law? ???? Why don't you guys do your own research? I've read several "papers" written by scholars about the subject. Here's one. Knock yourself out. I love how people here always deny, deny, deny but don't ever READ what's given to them to support the opinion. If you want another illegal in the highest office of our government, I'm not going to help you. Obama wasn't held to account for his illegal run for office and might never be. I can't believe you people will hide your heads in the sand YET AGAIN! http://northamericanlawcenter.org/ted-cruz-is-in-the-u-s-senate-ill... DID YOU READ THAT? WHY DO I HAVE TO DO ALL YOUR WORK FOR YOU?
Neither of your sources have a legal background to make any kind of determination. The video features an "author" who wrote the Secret of OZ (impressive?) and the "expert" of the article that you posted is certainly NOT a legal scholar either. Here is his link....http://www.capitolhilloutsider.com/our-writers/jb-williams/ Edited by NJJ 2016-05-09 8:08 AM
| |
| | |
Veteran
Posts: 186
Location: Good ole SE Mo | NJJ - 2016-05-07 2:22 PM
Anniemae - 2016-05-07 1:59 PM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-07 6:40 AM I know it is a common talking point for Trump supporters to repeat his claim that he self funds. Trump has loaned his campaign $36 million dollars that can be paid back through campaign donations. While he claims self funding, he has now turned to general election campaign donation requests since a run will cost well over a billion dollars. His new financial guru was the head of a bank that enjoyed bailouts from the government, made millions of dollars, then foreclosed on over 30,000 families. A good thing to keep in mind with Trump is not everything he says is based in fact, in fact not anything. But if you are ok with that, more power to you.
He has opened up his election to donations. Any businessman worth his salt would, not even Trump is crazy enough to ransack his entire fortune against the Clinton machine. Would you bet everyting you had on the voting public? I wouldn't.
You may not like the presumptive nominee, you may not want to support him, you may even detest him. What is the alternative? This election will be voting against the opposite party, not necessarily because you support/back the candidate of your party.
May not matter.... But I heard Trump say on an interview on Fox News that he had loaned the money to his campaign. During that interview he didn't make it sound like it just handed it over and that was that. He also stated that he could fund his general run, all he had to do was sell a building. But he was not going to do that, he was going to take donations. Anyways like I said probably doesn't matter and this interview was within the last couple of weeks. | |
| | |
...Dot Dot Dot...
Posts: 2062
Location: SW New Mexico | Frodo - 2016-05-10 6:28 AM
ThreeCorners - 2016-05-09 6:26 AM Frodo - 2016-05-05 8:50 PM Well, this is interesting, Ben Carson counted himself out as a VP nominee and indicated he thinks Trump might pick a Dem VP.
I have read a couple different news articles stating Trump is very seriously looking at Jim Webb. He is a Democrat. However..he was a republican not to many years ago before switching parties. He is a decorated retired Navy Seal and served in the Reagon Administration as assistant secretary of defence. He is very pro second ammendment. It just may be a genious move on Trumps part. I have never voted blue in my life, but I would vote for Webb. I could see a move like that solidifying the independant votes and those on the left who are vacating the lefts agenda. I believe it would also help get things done in the house and senate reaching across the isle. Webb is accepted by both parties.
I'm now a Independent.
Got tired of having to be in a box for one party or another..
I like the idea of Jim Webb. He's a good person.
He also got shafted by Hillary, and Bern, and was overlooked..
He may help heal the rift between the 2 parties..
At least I'm hoping so. | |
| | |
Googly Goo
Posts: 7053
| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-06 1:23 AM READ TWICE OR THRICE UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS HAPPENING WITH HILLARY AND OBAMA SUPREME COURT JUDGES .. I'm certain most Americans still don't understand how very important this is. The Constitution of the United States is on the line. If Hillary is elected, our constitution will mean nothing. If Tump is elected, we have a 50/50 shot at it still meaning something.
Edited by TXBO 2016-05-09 12:01 PM
| |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | TXBO - 2016-05-09 11:27 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-06 1:23 AM READ TWICE OR THRICE UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS HAPPENING WITH HILLARY AND OBAMA SUPREME COURT JUDGES .. I'm certain most Americans still don't understand how very important this is. The Constitution of the United States is on the line. If Hillary is elected, our constitution will mean nothing. If Tump is elected, we have a 50/50 shot at it still meaning something.
If a liberal ends up picking the next Supreme Justices, just say Adios America. Welcome to the Socialist States of America. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | .....and to morons who think socialism is a good idea, take a good look at Russia and Cuba.
| |
| | |
Googly Goo
Posts: 7053
| It's not just capitalism that is at stake. It's every natural and enumerated right that we hold dear. I truly fear for my children. | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | TXBO - 2016-05-09 1:00 PM It's not just capitalism that is at stake. It's every natural and enumerated right that we hold dear. I truly fear for my children.
I also fear for our daughter and grandson. Already my grandson doesn't have a clue what it is to grow up in the real America. Our daughter has and is scared for his future as she watches her future change along with America. | |
| | |
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 383
Location: Sweet Home Alabama | Donald Trump is not a Christian nor is he a man of God. He is for big government and he has flipped back forth on issue stances. This is why he will not get my vote. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 5:38 PM
Donald Trump is not a Christian nor is he a man of God. He is for big government and he has flipped back forth on issue stances. This is why he will not get my vote.
That's interesting. What's your secret? So you can determine he's "not a man of God"? Care to elaborate? | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | ThreeCorners - 2016-05-09 6:37 AM
There was 2 different law suits filed THIS YEAR against Cruz's eligability and BOTH courts ruled he IS in fact eligable and is a LEGAL Natural born citizen. Same as when someone is in the military and deployed over seas and his wife gives birth in whatever country they are in at the time. That baby, is a natural born citizen dispite being born in another country.
What's the point of debating his citizenship? He has been soundly defeated. | |
| | |
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 383
Location: Sweet Home Alabama | Bear - 2016-05-09 6:19 PM
Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 5:38 PM
Donald Trump is not a Christian nor is he a man of God. He is for big government and he has flipped back forth on issue stances. This is why he will not get my vote.
That's interesting. What's your secret? So you can determine he's "not a man of God"? Care to elaborate?
I guess my secret is reading the Bible and knowing Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of my life.... That's the only answer I can come up with for that question.
Any man who attacks a woman who did nothing to provoke him
is not a man of God. I'm referring to Heidi Cruz here. And I mean, go to his twitter. He accuses people of things they have never done and he calls them disgusting things only because they do not support him. He is a liar. He is a hypocrite. I'm far from perfect and not the most intelligent by far, but I know the definition of a biblical man (the older I get the more thankful I am that I was raised by one) and Donald Trump is not a biblical man. | |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 7:29 PM Bear - 2016-05-09 6:19 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 5:38 PM Donald Trump is not a Christian nor is he a man of God. He is for big government and he has flipped back forth on issue stances. This is why he will not get my vote. That's interesting. What's your secret? So you can determine he's "not a man of God"? Care to elaborate? I guess my secret is reading the Bible and knowing Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of my life.... That's the only answer I can come up with for that question. Any man who attacks a woman who did nothing to provoke him is not a man of God. I'm referring to Heidi Cruz here. And I mean, go to his twitter. He accuses people of things they have never done and he calls them disgusting things only because they do not support him. He is a liar. He is a hypocrite. I'm far from perfect and not the most intelligent by far, but I know the definition of a biblical man (the older I get the more thankful I am that I was raised by one ) and Donald Trump is not a biblical man.
And you think the alternative is better?? I'll take Trump over Killary any day. What that woman has done Trumps, Trump's antics anyday. | |
| | |
Hawty & Nawty
Posts: 20424
| Ashton94 - 2016-05-10 3:38 PM Donald Trump is not a Christian nor is he a man of God. He is for big government and he has flipped back forth on issue stances. This is why he will not get my vote.
I respectfully have two arguments to this. First, we shouldn't judge who is godly, but let's say you're correct and Trump is not. There are several instances in the Bible where God used the ungodly to do his work.
Secondly, women cry out for equality. That means you have to be willing to be the crap catcher when it starts to fly. Politics is full of flying road apples and the Cruz family were well aware of this. Incidentally, Cruz did a good job tossing his own toward Trump.
If you are truly faithful, then be faithful. Everything is for a reason. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 7:29 PM
Bear - 2016-05-09 6:19 PM
Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 5:38 PM
Donald Trump is not a Christian nor is he a man of God. He is for big government and he has flipped back forth on issue stances. This is why he will not get my vote.
That's interesting. What's your secret? So you can determine he's "not a man of God"? Care to elaborate?
I guess my secret is reading the Bible and knowing Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of my life.... That's the only answer I can come up with for that question.
Any man who attacks a woman who did nothing to provoke him
is not a man of God. I'm referring to Heidi Cruz here. And I mean, go to his twitter. He accuses people of things they have never done and he calls them disgusting things only because they do not support him. He is a liar. He is a hypocrite. I'm far from perfect and not the most intelligent by far, but I know the definition of a biblical man (the older I get the more thankful I am that I was raised by one ) and Donald Trump is not a biblical man.
Name our last "Biblical" president. | |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 1395
Location: Missouri | RidenFly - 2016-05-09 7:43 PM
Ashton94 - 2016-05-10 3:38 PM Donald Trump is not a Christian nor is he a man of God. He is for big government and he has flipped back forth on issue stances. This is why he will not get my vote.
I respectfully have two arguments to this. First, we shouldn't judge who is godly, but let's say you're correct and Trump is not. There are several instances in the Bible where God used the ungodly to do his work.
Secondly, women cry out for equality. That means you have to be willing to be the crap catcher when it starts to fly. Politics is full of flying road apples and the Cruz family were well aware of this. Incidentally, Cruz did a good job tossing his own toward Trump.
If you are truly faithful, then be faithful. Everything is for a reason.
Riden, what you mentioned about the Bible recording instances where God used the ungodly for His purposes is absolutely true! I think it was mentioned a couple pages back, but thanks for mentioning it again. :) | |
| | |
Warmblood with Wings
Posts: 27846
Location: Florida.. | Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 8:29 PM Bear - 2016-05-09 6:19 PM Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 5:38 PM Donald Trump is not a Christian nor is he a man of God. He is for big government and he has flipped back forth on issue stances. This is why he will not get my vote. That's interesting. What's your secret? So you can determine he's "not a man of God"? Care to elaborate? I guess my secret is reading the Bible and knowing Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of my life.... That's the only answer I can come up with for that question. Any man who attacks a woman who did nothing to provoke him is not a man of God. I'm referring to Heidi Cruz here. And I mean, go to his twitter. He accuses people of things they have never done and he calls them disgusting things only because they do not support him. He is a liar. He is a hypocrite. I'm far from perfect and not the most intelligent by far, but I know the definition of a biblical man (the older I get the more thankful I am that I was raised by one ) and Donald Trump is not a biblical man.
No man of God is perfect... God knew we are not perfect.. but at least he hasnt murdered and he isnt anti american.. | |
| | |
Go Get Em!
Posts: 13503
Location: OH. IO | Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 8:29 PM
Bear - 2016-05-09 6:19 PM
Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 5:38 PM
Donald Trump is not a Christian nor is he a man of God. He is for big government and he has flipped back forth on issue stances. This is why he will not get my vote.
That's interesting. What's your secret? So you can determine he's "not a man of God"? Care to elaborate?
I guess my secret is reading the Bible and knowing Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior of my life.... That's the only answer I can come up with for that question.
Any man who attacks a woman who did nothing to provoke him
is not a man of God. I'm referring to Heidi Cruz here. And I mean, go to his twitter. He accuses people of things they have never done and he calls them disgusting things only because they do not support him. He is a liar. He is a hypocrite. I'm far from perfect and not the most intelligent by far, but I know the definition of a biblical man (the older I get the more thankful I am that I was raised by one ) and Donald Trump is not a biblical man.
So you think Hillary is a person of God? Dear lord......we are in trouble.when a murderer gets picked over all others...I pray for forgiveness | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | Donald Trump mentions strengthening our military on a daily basis. Also controlling our borders. Did I miss something or do Clinton/Sanders focus on neither. They're after the "free stuff" voters.
| |
| | |
Fact Checker
Posts: 16572
Location: Displaced Iowegian | Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:46 AM Donald Trump mentions strengthening our military on a daily basis. Also controlling our borders. Did I miss something or do Clinton/Sanders focus on neither. They're after the "free stuff" voters.
Truthfully, WE only know what they are saying (at their rallies, etc) by what the MEDIA reports. Who knows? I have read interview reports where Clinton has mentioned securing the borders.
Not defending Clinton only stating that the MEDIA controls the election...... | |
| | |
Elite Veteran
Posts: 962
| Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:46 AM
Donald Trump mentions strengthening our military on a daily basis. Also controlling our borders. Did I miss something or do Clinton/Sanders focus on neither. They're after the "free stuff" voters.
I guess guess it all depends on your priorities who you find more appealing. Does our military need beefed up? We already spend more on the military than the next 7 countries combined, and the border crossings are a net negative. Meanwhile, student debt has surpassed credit card debt and there is not one state in the union that a person making minimum wage can even afford to rent a house.
Free stuff, like two years of community college, can produce trained workers with excellent job opportunities who can immediately become productive members of society. Affordable childcare allows parents to work without spending a sizable portion of their salary on it.
Beefing up a military that already is spread all over the world would be similar to the government giving local police departments swat gear and telling them they had to use it or lose it. The only people it would help is the private contractors that make a fortune from military contracts, with the collateral damage being our sons and daughters sent into harm's way and some coming home in body bags (see Halliburton and the Iraq War).
But beefing up the military is popular with Republicans, so I guess if you are the Republican Presidential candidate, military spending is a positive buzzword while education, not so much. Quoting Trump's own words "I love the uneducated.".
| |
| | |
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 434
Location: Northwest Florida | TXBO - 2016-05-09 11:27 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-06 1:23 AM READ TWICE OR THRICE UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS HAPPENING WITH HILLARY AND OBAMA SUPREME COURT JUDGES .. I'm certain most Americans still don't understand how very important this is. The Constitution of the United States is on the line. If Hillary is elected, our constitution will mean nothing. If Tump is elected, we have a 50/50 shot at it still meaning something.
This is so true. Scalia's seat is vacant, and three more Justices are already over the average age of vacancy by death or retirement (75), so there are quite possibly FOUR seats that will be appointed by whoever wins this election.
We know for a fact Hillary is in favor of stricter gun control laws, and that is one thing I fear she would use the Supreme Court for should she be given the opportunity. I fear for our 2nd Amendment.
I understand why some people, especially die hard Conservatives feel the way they do about Trump, however focus really needs to be put on the damage that could be done should Hillary get four years of control.
So many people are both #NeverTrump, #NeverHillary, but you have to understand it WILL be one or the other, and no they are not the same. I certainly don't agree with every word that comes out of Donald's mouth, but I do agree with abolishing Common Core and the DOE, strengthening our military, closing our borders, and getting the jobs back to America.
Trump has my vote in November, and I pray the party can unite, if only for the sake of keeping that criminal Clinton out of office. | |
| | |
Location: Wherever Riley is | The scary thing to me is that the entire election process doesnt appear to actually be by the American voters. It is as if the establishment decides who it will be from the get go. | |
| | |
 Neat Freak
Posts: 11216
Location: Wonderful Wyoming | livinthelifeofriley - 2016-05-10 8:29 AM The scary thing to me is that the entire election process doesnt appear to actually be by the American voters. It is as if the establishment decides who it will be from the get go.
This is exactly what we are all saying in my family. Scares the crap out of me that we have no say. We vote what want and they just brush us aside and do what they want. That's the type of politician that needs kicked out of the government. They are not in it for America's best interest. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-10 8:30 AM Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:46 AM Donald Trump mentions strengthening our military on a daily basis. Also controlling our borders. Did I miss something or do Clinton/Sanders focus on neither. They're after the "free stuff" voters.
I guess guess it all depends on your priorities who you find more appealing. Does our military need beefed up? We already spend more on the military than the next 7 countries combined, and the border crossings are a net negative. Meanwhile, student debt has surpassed credit card debt and there is not one state in the union that a person making minimum wage can even afford to rent a house. Free stuff, like two years of community college, can produce trained workers with excellent job opportunities who can immediately become productive members of society. Affordable childcare allows parents to work without spending a sizable portion of their salary on it. Beefing up a military that already is spread all over the world would be similar to the government giving local police departments swat gear and telling them they had to use it or lose it. The only people it would help is the private contractors that make a fortune from military contracts, with the collateral damage being our sons and daughters sent into harm's way and some coming home in body bags (see Halliburton and the Iraq War ). But beefing up the military is popular with Republicans, so I guess if you are the Republican Presidential candidate, military spending is a positive buzzword while education, not so much. Quoting Trump's own words "I love the uneducated.".
You're so out of touch regarding Obama's weakening of our military, there's no use wasting words with you. Have you missed the news where Russian aircraft buzzed a U.S. aircraft carrier and menaced our planes. Korea and Iran laughingly threaten nuclear war.
Free tuition.......nothing is free. The youngsters who enjoy free college today will merely be paying for it for the rest of their lives in higher taxes as will we all.
Don't put yourself down. You're educated to a certain extent just not up on world affairs.
| |
| | |
Googly Goo
Posts: 7053
| FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-10 8:30 AM Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:46 AM Donald Trump mentions strengthening our military on a daily basis. Also controlling our borders. Did I miss something or do Clinton/Sanders focus on neither. They're after the "free stuff" voters.
I guess guess it all depends on your priorities who you find more appealing. Does our military need beefed up? We already spend more on the military than the next 7 countries combined, and the border crossings are a net negative. Meanwhile, student debt has surpassed credit card debt and there is not one state in the union that a person making minimum wage can even afford to rent a house. Free stuff, like two years of community college, can produce trained workers with excellent job opportunities who can immediately become productive members of society......
I've seen many lives changed by education. It's a wonderful thing. Unfortunately, it was never meant to be a function of the federal government. Protecting our country from all enemies, foreign and domestic is a proper function of the federal government.
If the fed got completely out of education, the money could stay in the states while decisions are made at a level closer to the needs. | |
| | |
Elite Veteran
Posts: 754
Location: Arkansas | TXBO - 2016-05-10 10:18 AM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-10 8:30 AM Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:46 AM Donald Trump mentions strengthening our military on a daily basis. Also controlling our borders. Did I miss something or do Clinton/Sanders focus on neither. They're after the "free stuff" voters.
I guess guess it all depends on your priorities who you find more appealing. Does our military need beefed up? We already spend more on the military than the next 7 countries combined, and the border crossings are a net negative. Meanwhile, student debt has surpassed credit card debt and there is not one state in the union that a person making minimum wage can even afford to rent a house. Free stuff, like two years of community college, can produce trained workers with excellent job opportunities who can immediately become productive members of society......
If the fed got completely out of education, the money could stay in the states while decisions are made at a level closer to the needs.
Smartest thing I've read all day
| |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | "I" believe the focus of this current election is to prevent a Self Declared Socialist and a Self Identified "Progressive" i.e. Communist out of The Oval Office..................................................... | |
| | |
Hawty & Nawty
Posts: 20424
| FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-11 6:30 AM Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:46 AM Donald Trump mentions strengthening our military on a daily basis. Also controlling our borders. Did I miss something or do Clinton/Sanders focus on neither. They're after the "free stuff" voters.
I guess guess it all depends on your priorities who you find more appealing. Does our military need beefed up? We already spend more on the military than the next 7 countries combined, and the border crossings are a net negative. Meanwhile, student debt has surpassed credit card debt and there is not one state in the union that a person making minimum wage can even afford to rent a house. Free stuff, like two years of community college, can produce trained workers with excellent job opportunities who can immediately become productive members of society. Affordable childcare allows parents to work without spending a sizable portion of their salary on it. Beefing up a military that already is spread all over the world would be similar to the government giving local police departments swat gear and telling them they had to use it or lose it. The only people it would help is the private contractors that make a fortune from military contracts, with the collateral damage being our sons and daughters sent into harm's way and some coming home in body bags (see Halliburton and the Iraq War ). But beefing up the military is popular with Republicans, so I guess if you are the Republican Presidential candidate, military spending is a positive buzzword while education, not so much. Quoting Trump's own words "I love the uneducated.".
On what planet? | |
| | |
 Zeal Queen
Posts: 3826
Location: TEXAS | Ashton94 - 2016-05-09 5:38 PM Donald Trump is not a Christian nor is he a man of God. He is for big government and he has flipped back forth on issue stances. This is why he will not get my vote.
and Clinton and Sanders are ? | |
| | |
 Expert
Posts: 2036
Location: Montana | Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:56 AM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-10 8:30 AM Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:46 AM Donald Trump mentions strengthening our military on a daily basis. Also controlling our borders. Did I miss something or do Clinton/Sanders focus on neither. They're after the "free stuff" voters.
I guess guess it all depends on your priorities who you find more appealing. Does our military need beefed up? We already spend more on the military than the next 7 countries combined, and the border crossings are a net negative. Meanwhile, student debt has surpassed credit card debt and there is not one state in the union that a person making minimum wage can even afford to rent a house. Free stuff, like two years of community college, can produce trained workers with excellent job opportunities who can immediately become productive members of society. Affordable childcare allows parents to work without spending a sizable portion of their salary on it. Beefing up a military that already is spread all over the world would be similar to the government giving local police departments swat gear and telling them they had to use it or lose it. The only people it would help is the private contractors that make a fortune from military contracts, with the collateral damage being our sons and daughters sent into harm's way and some coming home in body bags (see Halliburton and the Iraq War ). But beefing up the military is popular with Republicans, so I guess if you are the Republican Presidential candidate, military spending is a positive buzzword while education, not so much. Quoting Trump's own words "I love the uneducated.".
Free tuition.......nothing is free. The youngsters who enjoy free college today will merely be paying for it for the rest of their lives in higher taxes as will we all.
Don't put yourself down. You're educated to a certain extent just not up on world affairs.
One of the first things he did was to shut down our missle defense systems in Alaska. | |
| | |
 Expert
Posts: 4121
Location: SE Louisiana | Bandit94 - 2016-05-10 12:25 PM
Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:56 AM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-10 8:30 AM Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:46 AM Donald Trump mentions strengthening our military on a daily basis. Also controlling our borders. Did I miss something or do Clinton/Sanders focus on neither. They're after the "free stuff" voters.
I guess guess it all depends on your priorities who you find more appealing. Does our military need beefed up? We already spend more on the military than the next 7 countries combined, and the border crossings are a net negative. Meanwhile, student debt has surpassed credit card debt and there is not one state in the union that a person making minimum wage can even afford to rent a house. Free stuff, like two years of community college, can produce trained workers with excellent job opportunities who can immediately become productive members of society. Affordable childcare allows parents to work without spending a sizable portion of their salary on it. Beefing up a military that already is spread all over the world would be similar to the government giving local police departments swat gear and telling them they had to use it or lose it. The only people it would help is the private contractors that make a fortune from military contracts, with the collateral damage being our sons and daughters sent into harm's way and some coming home in body bags (see Halliburton and the Iraq War ). But beefing up the military is popular with Republicans, so I guess if you are the Republican Presidential candidate, military spending is a positive buzzword while education, not so much. Quoting Trump's own words "I love the uneducated.".
Free tuition.......nothing is free. The youngsters who enjoy free college today will merely be paying for it for the rest of their lives in higher taxes as will we all.
Don't put yourself down. You're educated to a certain extent just not up on world affairs.
It was my understanding the COBRA DANE team was still there and working. I did however notice the other day that the number of people in our armed forces today is the lowest it's been since 1941. I've been monitoring the behavior of our government for the last 50 years of my life and I think it's time to try something different. They do say that the essence of futility is to keep doing the same thing over and over while fully expecting a different result. I supported Perot 19 trillion dollars ago... I support Trump today. | |
| | |
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RidenFly - 2016-05-10 11:46 AM FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-05-11 6:30 AM Frodo - 2016-05-10 7:46 AM Donald Trump mentions strengthening our military on a daily basis. Also controlling our borders. Did I miss something or do Clinton/Sanders focus on neither. They're after the "free stuff" voters.
I guess guess it all depends on your priorities who you find more appealing. Does our military need beefed up? We already spend more on the military than the next 7 countries combined, and the border crossings are a net negative. Meanwhile, student debt has surpassed credit card debt and there is not one state in the union that a person making minimum wage can even afford to rent a house. Free stuff, like two years of community college, can produce trained workers with excellent job opportunities who can immediately become productive members of society. Affordable childcare allows parents to work without spending a sizable portion of their salary on it. Beefing up a military that already is spread all over the world would be similar to the government giving local police departments swat gear and telling them they had to use it or lose it. The only people it would help is the private contractors that make a fortune from military contracts, with the collateral damage being our sons and daughters sent into harm's way and some coming home in body bags (see Halliburton and the Iraq War ). But beefing up the military is popular with Republicans, so I guess if you are the Republican Presidential candidate, military spending is a positive buzzword while education, not so much. Quoting Trump's own words "I love the uneducated.".
What Riden pointed out . I lived on the Mexican border most of my life and we need all the help we can get to get it under controlled. Most thinks its a joke like the pres Obomo, its not a joke.. Befor long there wont be a border and then its going to be a free for all.. We are in deep trouble in lots of ways.  | |
| | |
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 851
Location: West Texas | I agree the military could be cut back and get a little bit of an overhaul. Just like education, it is not about numbers and spending alone. Doing more with less is what our government needs to work on.
On education, the states should get out of that too and bring it back to local independent districts. You guys think that Trump is a small government guy are fooling yourselves. I am just as much against Trump as Hillary....almost. Words are cheap to a man that doesn't value them. I think we are already screwed. I hope Trump will do a good job. I wont be up anyone's butt like so many are for Trump. That is unwise, no matter what....maybe after he saves us, I might be willing to go there.
Just a few of my meaningless random thoughts...
Edited by Tdove 2016-05-10 1:45 PM
| |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | The Liberals and MSM love repeating the lie about our borders being secure and that there are more illegals leaving that are coming in. Come down and see for yourself.
This is what is currently on the San Antonio News Channel.
http://www.ksat.com/news/more-than-3-dozen-immigrants-rescued-from-texas-stash-house_
And there has been another surge of minors crossing the border.
http://www.teaparty.org/border-surge-kids-crossing-illegally-1200-158607/
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 1815
| Free education??? I paid for mine via student loan, just like anyone else should do who chooses to further their education. There are already numerous grants available for those with low incomes. Scholarships available for serious students who have achieved enough through high school to get one. I really do not want to pay for numerous other college tuitions, mine and helping our daughter are enough.
And the border, it's ok with you that anyone can come across? You must not live near one. I feel for those ranchers and farmers who are afraid to sleep at night with tons of people creeping across their land.
A strong military that others fear prevents war, which is much more expensive than keeping the military up, plus providing young men and women with jobs at the same time.
| |
| | |
Location: Texas | Tdove - 2016-05-10 1:43 PM
I agree the military could be cut back and get a little bit of an overhaul. Just like education, it is not about numbers and spending alone. Doing more with less is what our government needs to work on.
On education, the states should get out of that too and bring it back to local independent districts. You guys think that Trump is a small government guy are fooling yourselves. I am just as much against Trump as Hillary....almost. Words are cheap to a man that doesn't value them. I think we are already screwed. I hope Trump will do a good job. I wont be up anyone's butt like so many are for Trump. That is unwise, no matter what....maybe after he saves us, I might be willing to go there.
Just a few of my meaningless random thoughts...
You want our military to be cut back more?? Our military is at the lowest since 1940. Just last week in committee hearings, the Pentagon admitted that only 1/3 of our current military is ready for combat, the other 2/3 are not "fully trained yet". And this is as at a time when terrorism is at a all time high!! Our Air Force, over 40% of our planes are over 40 years old!! No, we do not to cut back our military, it needs to be beefed back up!! | |
| | |
 Keeper of the King Snake
Posts: 7616
Location: Dubach, LA | Today's young adults will no more take advantage of free higher education than they do free public education. | |
| | |
Hugs to You
Posts: 7550
Location: In The Land of Cotton | CanCan - 2016-05-12 12:57 PM Today's young adults will no more take advantage of free higher education than they do free public education.
True - usually anything "free" doesnt mean jack to those taking advantage of it. The percentage of people who succeed getting anything "free" isn't a high number, especially when it comes to education. | |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | 3canstorun - 2016-05-12 12:35 PM
CanCan - 2016-05-12 12:57 PM Today's young adults will no more take advantage of free higher education than they do free public education.
True - usually anything "free" doesnt mean jack to those taking advantage of it. The percentage of people who succeed getting anything "free" isn't a high number, especially when it comes to education.
I have always experienced a sense of accomplishment when I have had to work to attain something...................The same goes for education. | |
| | |
 Veteran
Posts: 101
| foundation horse - 2016-05-12 1:56 PM
3canstorun - 2016-05-12 12:35 PM
CanCan - 2016-05-12 12:57 PM Today's young adults will no more take advantage of free higher education than they do free public education.
True - usually anything "free" doesnt mean jack to those taking advantage of it. The percentage of people who succeed getting anything "free" isn't a high number, especially when it comes to education.
I have always experienced a sense of accomplishment when I have had to work to attain something...................The same goes for education.
I would like to first state I am not for free education, but for an easier access to education i.e. loans being down to 1% or lower tuition.
I feel very very accomplished and I worked my ass off to get my education, however my parents did pay for my education. Yet, I know people who work and pay for their education who don't take college seriously and fail out. Again, I will restate no I am not for free education and I do understand more people would take advantage of it. But, college should not be as expensive as it is and I know without my parents' help I would be struggling and not be able to fulfill my goals. | |
| | |
A very grounded girl
Posts: 5052
Location: Moving soon..... | In Texas there are options for getting help with college called Texas Promise Fund. When my daughter was 7, there was a plan in place called Texas Guaranteed Tuition Fund. We enrolled and paid $21,500 for a 4 year state college. She will graduate from Texas A&M in August and our total out of pocket for 4 years was about $2500. That was mainly for sports pass, parking, rec fee and the medical clinic fee. There are options out there to help with college tuition.
As for Trump, I will vote for him. | |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 4121
Location: SE Louisiana | I've had enough of this!!!
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 4121
Location: SE Louisiana | I've had enough of this!!!
 (example.jpg)
Attachments
----------------
example.jpg (39KB - 151 downloads)
| |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | .....and if that kitty was all oh say "black" you'd be considered a racist. 
| |
| | |
Elite Veteran
Posts: 926
| This has been an interesting thread. Started on May 2 before Donald was the only one left in the race. About 2/3 of the way through Donald met with the party leaders, and as Neal Cavuto said 'I think I just saw pigs fly'. He was not my first choice but he's growing on me because after 4 years of BHO this country desperately needs a competent CEO.
After all, Donald doesn't say anything the politicians don't say, he's just willing to say it in an open setting where everyone can hear instead of behind closed doors. Dems are casting stones about the Republican conflicts. And I have to admit, they are better than the right at 'falling in line'. The Clintons and the Obamas detest each other, but they hold their noses and get it done. In fact I'm convinced one of the main reasons Hillary had the personal server is she didn't want her boss to easily see what she was saying/doing. And Freedom of Information act avoidance was another reason.
When this started and the Donald entered the race, I was sure the first gaff about Hispanic 'rapist' would do him in...what was that last summer? Then there was another and another and here we are less than 6 months from the election and I really think he might pull this off.
It truly is a revolution and an election season that most of us have never seen in our lifetimes. Let's keep the thread going until November!
| |
| | |
 To the Left
Posts: 1865
Location: Florida | No matter which one wins, it will be a turning point in political history. A woman vs a novice politician, who would've thunk. | |
| | |
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 614
| LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why.
His name calling bugs me. It seems so childish and it reminds me of that quote about being too weak to challenge your opponent any other way. Put all that aside and I am one of the believers that it was an ego trip for him that he can't back out of now.
| |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 1395
Location: Missouri | Vickie - 2016-05-16 6:15 AM
No matter which one wins, it will be a turning point in political history. A woman vs a novice politician, who would've thunk.
As one of my Fb friends put it, our choices are between 'a criminal and an orange guy with bad hair.' I found her description of trump rather amusing... | |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Dirt Dobber - 2016-05-16 8:10 PM
LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why.
His name calling bugs me. It seems so childish and it reminds me of that quote about being too weak to challenge your opponent any other way. Put all that aside and I am one of the believers that it was an ego trip for him that he can't back out of now.
Name calling is simply politics in its most pure (debased) form. Apparently name calling has been successful for The Donald, since He defeated 16 other candidates, did he not?
| |
| | |
 Accident Prone
Posts: 22277
Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | MOGirl07 - 2016-05-16 10:07 PM Vickie - 2016-05-16 6:15 AM No matter which one wins, it will be a turning point in political history. A woman vs a novice politician, who would've thunk. As one of my Fb friends put it, our choices are between 'a criminal and an orange guy with bad hair.' I found her description of trump rather amusing...
I guess I'll close my eyes and vote for the Oompa Loompa. | |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-05-17 8:55 AM
MOGirl07 - 2016-05-16 10:07 PM Vickie - 2016-05-16 6:15 AM No matter which one wins, it will be a turning point in political history. A woman vs a novice politician, who would've thunk. As one of my Fb friends put it, our choices are between 'a criminal and an orange guy with bad hair.' I found her description of trump rather amusing...
As long as The Oompa Loompa is not Hillary/Bernie and actually performs as promised, I agree with you! | |
| | |
Elite Veteran
Posts: 614
| foundation horse - 2016-05-17 8:53 AM Dirt Dobber - 2016-05-16 8:10 PM LP22654 - 2016-05-02 1:23 PM Could someone please explain to me why there is so many people opposing him? Explain with reasons why. His name calling bugs me. It seems so childish and it reminds me of that quote about being too weak to challenge your opponent any other way. Put all that aside and I am one of the believers that it was an ego trip for him that he can't back out of now.
Name calling is simply politics in its most pure (debased ) form. Apparently name calling has been successful for The Donald, since He defeated 16 other candidates, did he not?
Never noticed the name calling at the silly level Trump is at and wasn't much impressed with the other candidates he beat. There really hasn't been much to the sad bunch. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Folks, whether you like it or not, what we are seeing this year is just the beginning of a long overdue awakening that we have been duped for decades. It's a symptom of something that pre-dates Hillary, Trump, and even Sanders. In fact, one could argue that this scourge leading to the political chaos originated with our U.S. Constitution.
Alexis de Toqueville predicted this nearly 200 years ago in his "Democracy in America", but it goes back even farther. Benjamin Franklin wrote: "When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic. ...". This has become a more widespread realization, and it dovetails into a term that Sarah Palin revived a few years ago, "crony capitalism". These things are all variations on the same basic theme: CORRUPTION.
The kind of corruption I'm talking about transcends political party affiliation. The more brazen political criminals convicted of the most serious offenses are just as likely to have an "R" behind their name as a "D".
Take a look at the recent developments with the Democrat congressman from Philadelphia, Chuka Fattah. His bold, brazen corrupt acts can be googled, if you are interested. This is a man who was elected by 87% of voters in 2014, after his alleged racketeering activities started to emerge. Think about that. This man was an 11 term (22 year) congressman. Guys like him hold the purse strings to $4 TRILLION a year. They ignore vital, urgent needs like Social Security reform, Medicare reform, and our crumbling healthcare system. They don't have to be concerned about ANY of those programs, because they have lucrative pensions, Cadillac health insurance, and 7 figure jobs awaiting them in the private sector.
To be fair and balanced, look at Duke Cunningham,(R). He accepted millions in bribes. The guy was an All American hero and the only fighter ace from the Vietnam War. He was a so-called conservative darling.....until he was indicted and copped a deal, in exchange for being a rat. He served 10 years in prison.
More recently, take a look at Mark Sanford, R-South Carolina. He should have served time for his lies and crimes while governor, but he escaped Justice. The guy basically went AWOL from the job, so he sould run off on a sordid rendezvous with his South American concubine....on taxpayer dollars. He tried to say he was off on a hike in the mountains. South Carolina punished him by accepting his resignation, and then elected him to congress.
These are the people running our lives and making decisions that will effect our kids and grandkids.
This is why we are 19 Trillion in debt, and this is why we are declining in almost every metric. We are electing clever people who SOUND like they have a plan and SOUND like they care.....but they only care about one thing......the sweet deal.
This is why a guy like Trump can emerge and break all the unwritten rules of politics, and blow 16 other candidates out of the water handily. People are catching on and the number of pis$ed off citizens is rising exponentially.
The bigger question is what can be done, in addition to sending a message by electing a guy like Trump? I think there needs to be a huge ground swell pushing for term limits. We need to starve the beast. | |
| | |
Lived to tell about it and will never do it again
Posts: 5408
| We need term limits! Get rid of the career politicians! I'm tiried of them living like kings on our dollars while we have to scrape the barrel to survive. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | As foreign cultures invade our country by the millions, you'll see the picture change entirely over the years. London, England now has a Muslim mayor. How far are we from a Hispanic dominated Congress, Senate and President. After that it will never change. It can't. | |
| | |
| We need term limits for sure, but I think we have a better chance of them voting themselves a raise instead of voting themselves out of a job with the best perks known to mankind. If any person ran for office on the platform of "term limits" would they get any money from the Democratic party or Republican party to run? IMO, it would have to be an independently wealthy person to have the funds to run. If they did get elected, it would be a BIG job to convince that many people to vote term limits. I guess it would be our job to vote everyone out in election after election until we got the people in there to vote for term limits.
There is a guy from Pennsylvania (I think?) who is a term limit person, but I don't know if he ran on that platform.
At this point, I don't think Trump has mentioned term limits, but maybe he has?
I have read when the founders were setting up the government it was such a sacrifice to leave personal business and family to go to DC (not necessarily DC at that time) that they didn't see term limits necessary. I'm guess the federal government didn't fly them back and forth free of charge every weekend!
Edited by NFM 2016-05-18 10:51 AM
| |
| | |
Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | euchee - 2016-05-17 6:23 PM We need term limits! Get rid of the career politicians! I'm tiried of them living like kings on our dollars while we have to scrape the barrel to survive.
Term limits do not work, career politicians just move from senate to house, to other elected positions, to lobby positions...
What we need is no golden retirement/pension plan... Once they are out of office, they join the SS rolls just like every other none goverment employee... In fact, all government workers should go onto SS... cities, counties, states are struggling (bankrupt) trying to meet the promised retirement plans... when their annual budget is 50% for retired employees, it becomes a huge financial burden and cannot be substained for long.
If goverment retirement plans were discontinued, you'd see a completely revamped SS system! | |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Anniemae - 2016-05-18 11:35 AM
euchee - 2016-05-17 6:23 PM We need term limits! Get rid of the career politicians! I'm tiried of them living like kings on our dollars while we have to scrape the barrel to survive.
Term limits do not work, career politicians just move from senate to house, to other elected positions, to lobby positions...
What we need is no golden retirement/pension plan... Once they are out of office, they join the SS rolls just like every other none goverment employee... In fact, all government workers should go onto SS... cities, counties, states are struggling (bankrupt) trying to meet the promised retirement plans... when their annual budget is 50% for retired employees, it becomes a huge financial burden and cannot be substained for long.
If goverment retirement plans were discontinued, you'd see a completely revamped SS system!
Term limits work for The Executive Branch i.e. Presidents....................................... | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'm all for paying them a good wage, but limit the COMBINED time in senate or house to say 10-12 years makes a lot of sense. It's not a radical change. Also, they should rely on their own retirement plan combined with SS, not the sweet deal they have now. They should be subject to the same ObamaCare standards the rest of us have to abide by. Half of congress is retirement age and we have too many powerful members of the house and senate over age 70.
Basically, congress needs to have more skin in the game. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | ..........and did you know that while SS recipients were denied their tiny raise in benefits this year, basically 2%, Obama is working diligently on an 18% increase in salary for himself. Also with his Dream Act designed to win votes in 2012, these illegal immigrants are now eligible for and many collecting Social Security.
| |
| | |
Holy Fruit Loops!
Posts: 1708
Location: Colorado | Frodo - 2016-05-18 1:25 PM ..........and did you know that while SS recipients were denied their tiny raise in benefits this year, basically 2%, Obama is working diligently on an 18% increase in salary for himself. Also with his Dream Act designed to win votes in 2012, these illegal immigrants are now eligible for and many collecting Social Security.
You can hate the President but how about sticking to the truth.
Or try the Constitution, Article II, Section I.
The current budget submitted by this administration includes an 18% increase for the Former President Act. Something that ALL past Presidents have had since 1958. As we have more living past Presidents at the current time it takes more money for just the basic Secret Service. And you might do some research as to which past Presidents request the most for office, travel, etc..
karen
| |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2016-05-18 2:20 PM
Frodo - 2016-05-18 1:25 PM ..........and did you know that while SS recipients were denied their tiny raise in benefits this year, basically 2%, Obama is working diligently on an 18% increase in salary for himself. Also with his Dream Act designed to win votes in 2012, these illegal immigrants are now eligible for and many collecting Social Security.
You can hate the President but how about sticking to the truth.
Or try the Constitution, Article II, Section I.
The current budget submitted by this administration includes an 18% increase for the Former President Act. Something that ALL past Presidents have had since 1958. As we have more living past Presidents at the current time it takes more money for just the basic Secret Service. And you might do some research as to which past Presidents request the most for office, travel, etc..
karen
I agree. Shame on these people. Anyone can see our president and his wife have been living very frugally. | |
| | |
Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | foundation horse - 2016-05-18 9:40 AM Anniemae - 2016-05-18 11:35 AM euchee - 2016-05-17 6:23 PM We need term limits! Get rid of the career politicians! I'm tiried of them living like kings on our dollars while we have to scrape the barrel to survive. Term limits do not work, career politicians just move from senate to house, to other elected positions, to lobby positions...
What we need is no golden retirement/pension plan... Once they are out of office, they join the SS rolls just like every other none goverment employee... In fact, all government workers should go onto SS... cities, counties, states are struggling (bankrupt) trying to meet the promised retirement plans... when their annual budget is 50% for retired employees, it becomes a huge financial burden and cannot be substained for long.
If goverment retirement plans were discontinued, you'd see a completely revamped SS system! Term limits work for The Executive Branch i.e. Presidents.......................................
And in which state has term limits worked?
| |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Anniemae - 2016-05-18 2:30 PM
foundation horse - 2016-05-18 9:40 AM Anniemae - 2016-05-18 11:35 AM euchee - 2016-05-17 6:23 PM We need term limits! Get rid of the career politicians! I'm tiried of them living like kings on our dollars while we have to scrape the barrel to survive. Term limits do not work, career politicians just move from senate to house, to other elected positions, to lobby positions...
What we need is no golden retirement/pension plan... Once they are out of office, they join the SS rolls just like every other none goverment employee... In fact, all government workers should go onto SS... cities, counties, states are struggling (bankrupt) trying to meet the promised retirement plans... when their annual budget is 50% for retired employees, it becomes a huge financial burden and cannot be substained for long.
If goverment retirement plans were discontinued, you'd see a completely revamped SS system! Term limits work for The Executive Branch i.e. Presidents.......................................
I am not aware of any STATE with Term Limits. However, a referendum would display just how many Americans agree with the idea of term limits. And the last I was aware of, American Elected Officials serve at the PLEASURE of The American Voters.................................... | |
| | |
Proud to be Deplorable
Posts: 1929
| I would love to see term limits but congress will never vote this in. It will take an article five convention hard to do but possible. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's the deal. 75% of people favor term limits for congress. My question is what's wrong with term limits? We have a huge number of career politicians over the age of 65, impacting our lives in a huge way, and they have no skin in the game. People argue that we will be denied the "experienced" politicians in congress. How's that been working out?
I agree with Anniemae that they should have to put up with ObamaCare, like the rest of us, as well as Social Security and Medicare.....like the rest of us.
The problem is how do we compel congress to vote on these kinds of change? There needs to be a movement that pushes for these changes. Actually there already is. | |
| | |
Warmblood with Wings
Posts: 27846
Location: Florida.. | Stitch4k9 - 2016-05-18 3:20 PM Frodo - 2016-05-18 1:25 PM ..........and did you know that while SS recipients were denied their tiny raise in benefits this year, basically 2%, Obama is working diligently on an 18% increase in salary for himself. Also with his Dream Act designed to win votes in 2012, these illegal immigrants are now eligible for and many collecting Social Security.
You can hate the President but how about sticking to the truth.
Or try the Constitution, Article II, Section I.
The current budget submitted by this administration includes an 18% increase for the Former President Act. Something that ALL past Presidents have had since 1958. As we have more living past Presidents at the current time it takes more money for just the basic Secret Service. And you might do some research as to which past Presidents request the most for office, travel, etc..
karen
of course he is~~~!!!... hes is ready to retire so YES he is proposing a increase WHY ELSE WOULD HE BE.. LOL.. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | Stitch4k9 - 2016-05-18 2:20 PM Frodo - 2016-05-18 1:25 PM ..........and did you know that while SS recipients were denied their tiny raise in benefits this year, basically 2%, Obama is working diligently on an 18% increase in salary for himself. Also with his Dream Act designed to win votes in 2012, these illegal immigrants are now eligible for and many collecting Social Security.
You can hate the President but how about sticking to the truth.
Or try the Constitution, Article II, Section I.
The current budget submitted by this administration includes an 18% increase for the Former President Act. Something that ALL past Presidents have had since 1958. As we have more living past Presidents at the current time it takes more money for just the basic Secret Service. And you might do some research as to which past Presidents request the most for office, travel, etc..
karen
Edited by Frodo 2016-05-19 7:46 AM
| |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | An Article V convention of the states would really be the solution to putting this country back on track. It's a tall order, but we are in desperate times and desperate times call for desperate measures.
Obviously congress has demonstrated they are too self-serving to make any meaningful changes, but an Article V convention of the states enables WE THE PEOPLE to override and bypass all three branches of government. Not even the SCOTUS can reverse a constitutional amendment. An article V can only PROPOSE an amendment. 2/3rds of the states must vote in favor of the proposed amendment, and after that 3/4ths of the states must vote in favor to ratify. Once that's done, it's the law of the land. Congress, the SCOTUS, and the president would effectively be bypassed.
Several amendments could be considered:
1.) The federal budget must be no more than 20% of the GDP in a given year.
2.) No individual or corporate federal tax can exceed 15%.
3.) Voters must have an acceptable voter ID which established an individual's identity and citizenship.
4.) All proposed federal legislation must be published for public viewing for a minimum of 30 days before it can be voted into law.
5.) Term limits not to exceed 12 years combined in both houses.
6.) Congress cannot force a citizen to participate in commerce, such as the purchasing of health insurance.
I think we will see more serious discussion on this topic in the months and years ahead, as it will become increasingly obvious to the majority of citizens that this is our only hope of saving our republic.
| |
| | |
Googly Goo
Posts: 7053
| Bear - 2016-05-19 9:02 AM An Article V convention of the states would really be the solution to putting this country back on track. It's a tall order, but we are in desperate times and desperate times call for desperate measures. Obviously congress has demonstrated they are too self-serving to make any meaningful changes, but an Article V convention of the states enables WE THE PEOPLE to override and bypass all three branches of government. Not even the SCOTUS can reverse a constitutional amendment. An article V can only PROPOSE an amendment. 2/3rds of the states must vote in favor of the proposed amendment, and after that 3/4ths of the states must vote in favor to ratify. Once that's done, it's the law of the land. Congress, the SCOTUS, and the president would effectively be bypassed. Several amendments could be considered: 1.) The federal budget must be no more than 20% of the GDP in a given year. 2.) No individual or corporate federal tax can exceed 15%. 3.) Voters must have an acceptable voter ID which established an individual's identity and citizenship. 4.) All proposed federal legislation must be published for public viewing for a minimum of 30 days before it can be voted into law. 5.) Term limits not to exceed 12 years combined in both houses. 6.) Congress cannot force a citizen to participate in commerce, such as the purchasing of health insurance. I think we will see more serious discussion on this topic in the months and years ahead, as it will become increasingly obvious to the majority of citizens that this is our only hope of saving our republic. I now think we'll see an Article V convention in our lifetime. I wouldn't have beleived that five years ago. If this Supreme Court swings heavily into the liberal balance, all words of the constitution will have no meaning. People who think it's a good idea to interpret the Constitution in a progressive manner will be very shocked and disappointed with the unintended consequence of a treasured liberty lost.
I personally don't think any fiscal policy will trigger a convention. I beleive it will be the loss of a fundamental right. 1st or 2nd amendments are most likely to be attacked....and most likely to cause civil disobedience.....But the deterioration of the 10th amendment is at a point now where people are no longer able to govern themselves. This is where I think the breaking point is.
Edited by TXBO 2016-05-19 10:32 AM
| |
| | |
Googly Goo
Posts: 7053
| If Trump keeps his word on this list, it could be a very good thing.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-court-idUSKCN0Y92K5 | |
| | |
 Expert
Posts: 1481
Location: TEXAS | I'm riding the Trump Train all the way to the White House.  | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | TXBO - 2016-05-19 10:30 AM
Bear - 2016-05-19 9:02 AM An Article V convention of the states would really be the solution to putting this country back on track. It's a tall order, but we are in desperate times and desperate times call for desperate measures. Obviously congress has demonstrated they are too self-serving to make any meaningful changes, but an Article V convention of the states enables WE THE PEOPLE to override and bypass all three branches of government. Not even the SCOTUS can reverse a constitutional amendment. An article V can only PROPOSE an amendment. 2/3rds of the states must vote in favor of the proposed amendment, and after that 3/4ths of the states must vote in favor to ratify. Once that's done, it's the law of the land. Congress, the SCOTUS, and the president would effectively be bypassed. Several amendments could be considered: 1.) The federal budget must be no more than 20% of the GDP in a given year. 2.) No individual or corporate federal tax can exceed 15%. 3.) Voters must have an acceptable voter ID which established an individual's identity and citizenship. 4.) All proposed federal legislation must be published for public viewing for a minimum of 30 days before it can be voted into law. 5.) Term limits not to exceed 12 years combined in both houses. 6.) Congress cannot force a citizen to participate in commerce, such as the purchasing of health insurance. I think we will see more serious discussion on this topic in the months and years ahead, as it will become increasingly obvious to the majority of citizens that this is our only hope of saving our republic. I now think we'll see an Article V convention in our lifetime. I wouldn't have beleived that five years ago. If this Supreme Court swings heavily into the liberal balance, all words of the constitution will have no meaning. People who think it's a good idea to interpret the Constitution in a progressive manner will be very shocked and disappointed with the unintended consequence of a treasured liberty lost.
I personally don't think any fiscal policy will trigger a convention. I beleive it will be the loss of a fundamental right. 1st or 2nd amendments are most likely to be attacked....and most likely to cause civil disobedience.....But the deterioration of the 10th amendment is at a point now where people are no longer able to govern themselves. This is where I think the breaking point is.
You might be right, my friend, but I think a fiscal collapse could lead to an Article V Convention. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas |
Me too, if it jumps the tracks, at least we tried.
 | |
| | |
Googly Goo
Posts: 7053
| Bear - 2016-05-19 12:39 PM You might be right, my friend, but I think a fiscal collapse could lead to an Article V Convention.
Well yea.....That could certainly do it. LOL. | |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Bear - 2016-05-19 12:39 PM
TXBO - 2016-05-19 10:30 AM
Bear - 2016-05-19 9:02 AM An Article V convention of the states would really be the solution to putting this country back on track. It's a tall order, but we are in desperate times and desperate times call for desperate measures. Obviously congress has demonstrated they are too self-serving to make any meaningful changes, but an Article V convention of the states enables WE THE PEOPLE to override and bypass all three branches of government. Not even the SCOTUS can reverse a constitutional amendment. An article V can only PROPOSE an amendment. 2/3rds of the states must vote in favor of the proposed amendment, and after that 3/4ths of the states must vote in favor to ratify. Once that's done, it's the law of the land. Congress, the SCOTUS, and the president would effectively be bypassed. Several amendments could be considered: 1.) The federal budget must be no more than 20% of the GDP in a given year. 2.) No individual or corporate federal tax can exceed 15%. 3.) Voters must have an acceptable voter ID which established an individual's identity and citizenship. 4.) All proposed federal legislation must be published for public viewing for a minimum of 30 days before it can be voted into law. 5.) Term limits not to exceed 12 years combined in both houses. 6.) Congress cannot force a citizen to participate in commerce, such as the purchasing of health insurance. I think we will see more serious discussion on this topic in the months and years ahead, as it will become increasingly obvious to the majority of citizens that this is our only hope of saving our republic. I now think we'll see an Article V convention in our lifetime. I wouldn't have beleived that five years ago. If this Supreme Court swings heavily into the liberal balance, all words of the constitution will have no meaning. People who think it's a good idea to interpret the Constitution in a progressive manner will be very shocked and disappointed with the unintended consequence of a treasured liberty lost.
I personally don't think any fiscal policy will trigger a convention. I beleive it will be the loss of a fundamental right. 1st or 2nd amendments are most likely to be attacked....and most likely to cause civil disobedience.....But the deterioration of the 10th amendment is at a point now where people are no longer able to govern themselves. This is where I think the breaking point is.
You might be right, my friend, but I think a fiscal collapse could lead to an Article V Convention.
A Fiscal Collapse will be the catalyst for Civil War II. | |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 4121
Location: SE Louisiana | The younger people today think that just because the politicians have been lying to the people for the last fifty years, that's how things should operate. They believe that's normal. Well it's not! Trump threatens to tear all that down. He will discover the truth behind the lies we've been told over the course of the last several decades and the politicians behind those lies are terrified!! He will OUT any backroom deals in his attempt to get it to stop..
And the press has been hounding him ever since he threw his hat in the ring. The press, not the people, have chosen the last ten or so presidents... But their usual BS is not working this time and they can't understand why?? So they keep slinging dirt, hoping some of it will stick....
Edited by komet. 2016-05-19 3:50 PM
 (trump.jpg)
Attachments
----------------
trump.jpg (53KB - 139 downloads)
| |
| | |
Elite Veteran
Posts: 926
| komet. - 2016-05-19 3:45 PM
The younger people today think that just because the politicians have been lying to the people for the last fifty years, that's how things should operate. They believe that's normal. Well it's not! Trump threatens to tear all that down. He will discover the truth behind the lies we've been told over the course of the last several decades and the politicians behind those lies are terrified!! He will OUT any backroom deals in his attempt to get it to stop..
And the press has been hounding him ever since he threw his hat in the ring. The press, not the people, have chosen the last ten or so presidents... But their usual BS is not working this time and they can't understand why?? So they keep slinging dirt, hoping some of it will stick....
Love it! A visual of the classic mountain...mountains and a mole hill! | |
| | |
Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | foundation horse - 2016-05-18 1:03 PM Anniemae - 2016-05-18 2:30 PM foundation horse - 2016-05-18 9:40 AM Anniemae - 2016-05-18 11:35 AM euchee - 2016-05-17 6:23 PM We need term limits! Get rid of the career politicians! I'm tiried of them living like kings on our dollars while we have to scrape the barrel to survive. Term limits do not work, career politicians just move from senate to house, to other elected positions, to lobby positions...
What we need is no golden retirement/pension plan... Once they are out of office, they join the SS rolls just like every other none goverment employee... In fact, all government workers should go onto SS... cities, counties, states are struggling (bankrupt) trying to meet the promised retirement plans... when their annual budget is 50% for retired employees, it becomes a huge financial burden and cannot be substained for long.
If goverment retirement plans were discontinued, you'd see a completely revamped SS system! Term limits work for The Executive Branch i.e. Presidents.......................................
I am not aware of any STATE with Term Limits. However, a referendum would display just how many Americans agree with the idea of term limits. And the last I was aware of, American Elected Officials serve at the PLEASURE of The American Voters....................................
Here you go... has it worked in these states?
http://www.ncsl.org/research/about-state-legislatures/chart-of-term-limits-states.aspx
| |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Anniemae - 2016-05-22 12:08 PM
foundation horse - 2016-05-18 1:03 PM Anniemae - 2016-05-18 2:30 PM foundation horse - 2016-05-18 9:40 AM Anniemae - 2016-05-18 11:35 AM euchee - 2016-05-17 6:23 PM We need term limits! Get rid of the career politicians! I'm tiried of them living like kings on our dollars while we have to scrape the barrel to survive. Term limits do not work, career politicians just move from senate to house, to other elected positions, to lobby positions...
What we need is no golden retirement/pension plan... Once they are out of office, they join the SS rolls just like every other none goverment employee... In fact, all government workers should go onto SS... cities, counties, states are struggling (bankrupt) trying to meet the promised retirement plans... when their annual budget is 50% for retired employees, it becomes a huge financial burden and cannot be substained for long.
If goverment retirement plans were discontinued, you'd see a completely revamped SS system! Term limits work for The Executive Branch i.e. Presidents.......................................
I am not aware of any STATE with Term Limits. However, a referendum would display just how many Americans agree with the idea of term limits. And the last I was aware of, American Elected Officials serve at the PLEASURE of The American Voters....................................
http://www.ncsl.org/research/about-state-legislatures/chart-of-term-limits-states.aspx
I agree with the article's defining the difference between 'term limits' and 'life time limits'. I would have to say I have misused the terminology and should be advocating 'life time limits'. This concept would be much more effective than the current 'career politician'. | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | How does that article determine whether or not term limits has "worked", and how do you explain the fact that 75% of people are in favor of term limits?
| |
| | |
Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Alsp, none of the States listed have had more than 20 years of any kind of term limits. And with Michigan being in the mix and it's heavily influenced one sided liberal pols have had over fifty years prior to set the course what has gone on........................... | |
| | |
Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | Bear - 2016-05-22 11:26 AM How does that article determine whether or not term limits has "worked", and how do you explain the fact that 75% of people are in favor of term limits?
The link only provided the information as to which states had term limits. You'd need to ask those that live in those states if they think it works. My opinion is they don't work... career politicians find other positions to run for and the cycle just continues OR they become lobbyists/obtain jobs in the private sector where they keep their fingers in the cookie jar. IMHO....
Maybe the general populace doesn't understand how these career politicians manage to stay on as politicians, even with term limits?? | |
| | |
BHW Resident Surgeon
Posts: 25351
Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don't give a sh!t what they do once they are out of office. I just don't want anyone making a lifelong career out of political office....and everything else that goes along with it.
Again.....75% agree. | |
| | |
"Heck's Coming With Me"
Posts: 10794
Location: Kansas | Wow, just looked at a list of Senators by age. Five of them are 82 years. old.
| |
| | |
I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Frodo - 2016-05-22 4:48 PM Wow, just looked at a list of Senators by age. Five of them are 82 years. old.
I'm sure if they had a real job they still wouldn't be working. Proves that it can be a real easy job..Yes..there are a few that actually work but there aren't many. They only work when they are out campaigning for their cushy job..LOL | |
| | |
Expert
Posts: 4121
Location: SE Louisiana | Anniemae - 2016-05-22 12:08 PM
foundation horse - 2016-05-18 1:03 PM Anniemae - 2016-05-18 2:30 PM foundation horse - 2016-05-18 9:40 AM Anniemae - 2016-05-18 11:35 AM euchee - 2016-05-17 6:23 PM We need term limits! Get rid of the career politicians! I'm tiried of them living like kings on our dollars while we have to scrape the barrel to survive. Term limits do not work, career politicians just move from senate to house, to other elected positions, to lobby positions...
What we need is no golden retirement/pension plan... Once they are out of office, they join the SS rolls just like every other none goverment employee... In fact, all government workers should go onto SS... cities, counties, states are struggling (bankrupt) trying to meet the promised retirement plans... when their annual budget is 50% for retired employees, it becomes a huge financial burden and cannot be substained for long.
If goverment retirement plans were discontinued, you'd see a completely revamped SS system! Term limits work for The Executive Branch i.e. Presidents.......................................
I am not aware of any STATE with Term Limits. However, a referendum would display just how many Americans agree with the idea of term limits. And the last I was aware of, American Elected Officials serve at the PLEASURE of The American Voters....................................
http://www.ncsl.org/research/about-state-legislatures/chart-of-term-limits-states.aspx
I too found lists like that but hesitated to present it because I never could determine if these were people that legislated within their states or went to DC to make laws for the country.
Edited by komet. 2016-05-22 7:04 PM
| |
| |
|
