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| I have gelding that previously had back issues when I purchased him. Had a lot of chiropractic work on him last year and hes been turned out all winter. His back checks out fine this spring... problem I am having is getting back on him (and getting motivated myself to do so). He is one heck of a bucker. Not just give a little hump or one buck, but I am talking about taking off bucking, crowhoping rodeo style. I guess I had just been more than happy having him turned out and not even dealing with him, but my good horse has been out for the last 2 months and I have nothing to ride (although maybe not riding his better than getting on him!). I've toyed with sending him for training, but I want to be able to keep on eye on his back, and honestly not sure if having him for training would take away my anxiety about getting on him again. Just not really sure what to do here. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Buckles - 2016-05-10 8:56 AM I have gelding that previously had back issues when I purchased him. Had a lot of chiropractic work on him last year and hes been turned out all winter. His back checks out fine this spring... problem I am having is getting back on him (and getting motivated myself to do so). He is one heck of a bucker. Not just give a little hump or one buck, but I am talking about taking off bucking, crowhoping rodeo style. I guess I had just been more than happy having him turned out and not even dealing with him, but my good horse has been out for the last 2 months and I have nothing to ride (although maybe not riding his better than getting on him!). I've toyed with sending him for training, but I want to be able to keep on eye on his back, and honestly not sure if having him for training would take away my anxiety about getting on him again. Just not really sure what to do here.
If your worried about this I would get me something else to ride, not worth getting hurt over something that may buck you off, I would send him off to a cowboy are trainer and then find the right match for him. I know that your worried about his back, but I would be more worried about mine.  |
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| Well I guess thats why I have so much anxiety about getting on him. I have a bad back myself. I've rode him out every time he bucks, but then I hurt for the next 3 days! |
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Location: Wherever They Send Me | Why not just "re-start" him from the ground? That way you can watch his back, he can slowly get back to work and you can also see if he still bucks; then when you are ready (and have an assistant, if possible), climb aboard.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I had a gelding whom I adored. I talked about him on here when I started having bucking issues with him. He didn't throw a buck or even three. He would go full rodeo style, bronc crazy. He was a powerful sucker. I couldn't ride it for the life of me. And it hurts to hit the ground from that high up. We decided to send him off to be ranched on. He was gone for a month with no problems. He came back and I was still harboring a lot of worry. BUT they said there was nothing wrong with him, and they had several people on him. So I sucked it up and rode him..... And he bucked. I grabbed him up quick and brought his head to my knee, then he decided he should rear and fall over on me.
I decided, with much encouragement, that there are too many nice horses to get hurt on one bad apple. I would highly recommend the same to you. I lost a lot of money on that horse. But it was worth every penny to not have to feel that fear in my stomach.
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Location: Deep South | I would send him down the road with full disclosure. He used to buck, you fixed his back, you haven't been on him since then.
I have found that with the ones that buck, no matter how long its been since they did it last, every single time I go to crawl on them, I just have an awful anxiety in the pit of my stomach and feel immediate relief when I do finally just make the decision that I'm not getting on them again and that they need to go. |
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Location: Alabama | Cut your losses and move on. No use in tearing down your own confidence. Been there, done that. |
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| I've had him saddled recently, just not on him, and he bucks just saddled. Not for long but still out of control rodeo style. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Buckles - 2016-05-10 8:12 AM I've had him saddled recently, just not on him, and he bucks just saddled. Not for long but still out of control rodeo style.
There would be no question in my mind. He would be finding a new home. Your life is too important. Please don't put yourself in harms way. I was stubborn about selling my gelding because I knew he would go far if I could just get him there. But looking back, that horse probably would have put me in the hospital... If not worse. |
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Location: Wherever They Send Me | Buckles - 2016-05-10 10:12 AM
I've had him saddled recently, just not on him, and he bucks just saddled. Not for long but still out of control rodeo style.
Then yes, I recant my earlier suggestion...send him to another job. |
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Location: Montana | He'd be going down the road if he were mine...and I've done that before. Had an awesome little futurity prospect...90% of the time he wouldn't buck, but that 10% that he thought he was a rodeo bronc made me not even want to get on him anymore. I did make myself get on him, but I was in an accident once that made me decide he wasn't worth getting hurt over. He sold to a cowboy with a lot of experience, and the two of them get along fine. |
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Location: MN | I was in your shoes a few years ago. Gorgeous dunn gelding who was so dang athletic and would do anything you asked of him. He was so much fun...until you asked him for serious speed. I can usually ride one out but this one, full on, head between the legs, grunting, just the whole 9 yards. He ended up giving me a serious head injury which resulted in me now having Epilepsy. Seriously considered sending him to some stock contractors, which I shouldve because he then went to a home where he was supposed to only be a trail horse, ended up bucking her off into some panels and giving her a serious injury as well.
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Location: Canada | Send him packing!!!! So you fixed his back but he still broncs when you saddle him now. His back may have been sore but he's a bucker and you're likely never going to change him. If he was sore and bucked because of it once you fixed the problem the bucking should have stopped but it hasn't. I'd call a stock contractor and see if they'd like to try him out as a bucking horse.
There are always risks when riding but there are too many nice horses out there to waste the risk on something you already know to be dangerous.
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Location: SE KS | ~BINGO~ - 2016-05-10 9:39 AM
I had a gelding whom I adored. I talked about him on here when I started having bucking issues with him. He didn't throw a buck or even three. He would go full rodeo style, bronc crazy. He was a powerful sucker. I couldn't ride it for the life of me. And it hurts to hit the ground from that high up. We decided to send him off to be ranched on. He was gone for a month with no problems. He came back and I was still harboring a lot of worry. BUT they said there was nothing wrong with him, and they had several people on him. So I sucked it up and rode him..... And he bucked. I grabbed him up quick and brought his head to my knee, then he decided he should rear and fall over on me.
I decided, with much encouragement, that there are too many nice horses to get hurt on one bad apple. I would highly recommend the same to you. I lost a lot of money on that horse. But it was worth every penny to not have to feel that fear in my stomach.
This is pretty much the same thing that happened to me, only I couldn't ride, mine was a mare, her through the bucking!! She rearranged my pelvis & cracked the bone in the top of my shoulder when I landed!!! I couldn't get her sold fast enough & lost our a!! on her, but we're not feeding her anymore & I don't have to look at her!!!!!!! |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Unload him, life is too short to deal with a horse that is willing to hurt you.
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| Buckles - 2016-05-10 8:56 AM
I have gelding that previously had back issues when I purchased him. Had a lot of chiropractic work on him last year and hes been turned out all winter. His back checks out fine this spring... problem I am having is getting back on him (and getting motivated myself to do so). He is one heck of a bucker. Not just give a little hump or one buck, but I am talking about taking off bucking, crowhoping rodeo style. I guess I had just been more than happy having him turned out and not even dealing with him, but my good horse has been out for the last 2 months and I have nothing to ride (although maybe not riding his better than getting on him!). I've toyed with sending him for training, but I want to be able to keep on eye on his back, and honestly not sure if having him for training would take away my anxiety about getting on him again. Just not really sure what to do here.
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Location: tinsel town | Just a thought but I have one now that was starting to have back problems all the time and never did before. Could not figure it out. He was a serious bucker too and hurt me bad. Come to find out by accident he has PSSM. After changing his diet and daily exercise it is like I have a brand new horse!! Good luck buckers like those are so hard to trust again. |
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| I sent one down the road last fall. Had a lot of people tell me I should have done things differently, but he launched me bad - full out air time face plant, I remember feeling the hump and then I was spitting dirt.
I KNEW I would never trust him again. Generally I can ride a buck here and there but these were something else. I knew no matter how much money I poured into vets and training and the rest id never be comfortable climbing on and pushing him.
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Location: Iowa | test for PSSM |
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Location: southeast Texas | What are you feeding ? |
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Location: Moving soon..... | My gelding was a bucker. I was very blessed to have a husband who broke him and got him ready for me to haul him. When I did start hauling, I would lunge him for at least 20 minutes to make sure that he was not so fresh. He is now 15 and still as goosey as ever, but is the most honest horse I have ever owned. He takes care of me. |
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| I think hes just going to stay turned out for now. I would not feel right sending him off and having someone else dealing with him, I am sure he'd end right at the auction. |
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Location: So. California | At least test for PSSM1... a diet change and regular exercise helps these horses... it's $40 through AG |
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Location: So. California | Buckles - 2016-05-22 12:15 PM Already have tested him for pssm
Hair or muscle biopsy?
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| epm thru dr. ellerson does not cost that much. go to your dog ver get the tubes pull the blood |
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Location: tinsel town | Did you test for PSSM1 or PSSM2? Need to test for both to be sure. At least change the diet to very low NSC and see if you see a difference. That's how it worked for me, pure accident, he was at a friend's house where he was turned out on a dirt lot and worked every day, then I happened to read an article on PSSM and the light bulb came on. So fine tuned his diet and now he's so quiet, it's almost scarey. LOL |
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| What is involved with the muscle biopsy for the pssm2 test? Is it an expensive test?
Also, what would be considered a diet low in NSC? He currently gets 1 cup of legends low carb pleasure feed, and 1/2 cup of rice bran twice a day, grass hay, and is turned out 24/7 in a pasture thats pretty much overgrazed at the moment.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Buckles - 2016-05-26 6:46 AM What is involved with the muscle biopsy for the pssm2 test? Is it an expensive test? Also, what would be considered a diet low in NSC? He currently gets 1 cup of legends low carb pleasure feed, and 1/2 cup of rice bran twice a day, grass hay, and is turned out 24/7 in a pasture thats pretty much overgrazed at the moment.
Check out Bluebonnets Tntensify Total Advantage feed its 4% sugar and 7% starch NSC% 11 and its good for the PSSM horses if need it. I switched to this feed this week for my baby lol,{Gelding} that grass founder, I just found out thinking he had a abscess, so to a low starch feed. |
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Location: southeast Texas | There will shorty be a hair/blood test for PSSM2, until that time try a high protien high fat diet. I'd still stay away from sugar/starches |
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Location: Florida | Being old, I have a very different solution, but it requires some pretty good riding. Buck him out. Use an over and under. Hold the reins in one had and hit him with the other. When he calms down, irritate him again and tan his butt again. Might take only one lesson, never more than 3 and you will have a gentleman. Verbal reinforcement helps too, yell at him and tell him exactly what you are going to do if he continues to mess up.
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