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| scwebster - 2016-05-17 7:05 AM
How long did it take your horse to peak in performance from the start. How far in do you say "ok this is a solid 2D horse"etc...
Awesome question!!!! For me over the years it has been pretty mixed bunch, but I have noticed one thing, the horses that turn into TOUGH 1D, 2D horses always seem to pick it up rather quickly. From beginning to being tough in a year or less. Usually Less, more like 7-8 months. I have never experienced a horse that I have trained that took me 3 years to finally finish and now they are 1D etc. The truly tough horses seem to have that desire to want to win and learn and listen to you , then they just go do it. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | 3 years generally from start to what i consider solid -- meaning I know whats going to happen when I go down the alley. I've had lots clock sporadically or fairly consistently earlier into their careers but 3 year to SOLID. |
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Location: WI | scwebster - 2016-05-17 9:05 AM How long did it take your horse to peak in performance from the start. How far in do you say "ok this is a solid 2D horse"etc...
As far as how long, that varies greatly - not only on the horse, but how often you haul makes a difference, too.
When can you say a horse is solid xD horse? If he runs in that D 80% of the time that is solid. |
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Location: MD | FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 9:08 AM scwebster - 2016-05-17 7:05 AM How long did it take your horse to peak in performance from the start. How far in do you say "ok this is a solid 2D horse"etc... Awesome question!!!! For me over the years it has been pretty mixed bunch, but I have noticed one thing, the horses that turn into TOUGH 1D, 2D horses always seem to pick it up rather quickly. From beginning to being tough in a year or less. Usually Less, more like 7-8 months. I have never experienced a horse that I have trained that took me 3 years to finally finish and now they are 1D etc. The truly tough horses seem to have that desire to want to win and learn and listen to you , then they just go do it.
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 9:08 AM
scwebster - 2016-05-17 7:05 AM
How long did it take your horse to peak in performance from the start. How far in do you say "ok this is a solid 2D horse"etc...
Awesome question!!!! For me over the years it has been pretty mixed bunch, but I have noticed one thing, the horses that turn into TOUGH 1D, 2D horses always seem to pick it up rather quickly. From beginning to being tough in a year or less. Usually Less, more like 7-8 months. I have never experienced a horse that I have trained that took me 3 years to finally finish and now they are 1D etc. The truly tough horses seem to have that desire to want to win and learn and listen to you , then they just go do it.
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scwebster - 2016-05-17 7:05 AM
How long did it take your horse to peak in performance from the start. How far in do you say "ok this is a solid 2D horse"etc...
Awesome question!!!! For me over the years it has been pretty mixed bunch, but I have noticed one thing, the horses that turn into TOUGH 1D, 2D horses always seem to pick it up rather quickly. From beginning to being tough in a year or less. Usually Less, more like 7-8 months. I have never experienced a horse that I have trained that took me 3 years to finally finish and now they are 1D etc. The truly tough horses seem to have that desire to want to win and learn and listen to you , then they just go do it.
Agree with this.
And just FYI, in my program I only give them a year. If they don't make it in that time I move on. |
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Location: MD | FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 10:59 AM GLP - 2016-05-17 8:18 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 9:08 AM scwebster - 2016-05-17 7:05 AM How long did it take your horse to peak in performance from the start. How far in do you say "ok this is a solid 2D horse"etc... Awesome question!!!! For me over the years it has been pretty mixed bunch, but I have noticed one thing, the horses that turn into TOUGH 1D, 2D horses always seem to pick it up rather quickly. From beginning to being tough in a year or less. Usually Less, more like 7-8 months. I have never experienced a horse that I have trained that took me 3 years to finally finish and now they are 1D etc. The truly tough horses seem to have that desire to want to win and learn and listen to you , then they just go do it. Agree with this. And just FYI, in my program I only give them a year. If they don't make it in that time I move on.
Does anyone disagree with this? I have a 6 yr old that I adore that just can't seem to make it out of the 4D.She just doesn't act like she has it in her even though I know she could be competitive if she wanted it. Does anyone else feel like it can take awhile for a horse to start hitting the high D's? |
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Location: South | CE's wrapn3 - 2016-05-17 11:04 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 10:59 AM GLP - 2016-05-17 8:18 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 9:08 AM scwebster - 2016-05-17 7:05 AM How long did it take your horse to peak in performance from the start. How far in do you say "ok this is a solid 2D horse"etc... Awesome question!!!! For me over the years it has been pretty mixed bunch, but I have noticed one thing, the horses that turn into TOUGH 1D, 2D horses always seem to pick it up rather quickly. From beginning to being tough in a year or less. Usually Less, more like 7-8 months. I have never experienced a horse that I have trained that took me 3 years to finally finish and now they are 1D etc. The truly tough horses seem to have that desire to want to win and learn and listen to you , then they just go do it. Agree with this. And just FYI, in my program I only give them a year. If they don't make it in that time I move on.
Yelp I sure have! I made her my backup 4D horse. But this mare really LOVES working cattle. So I made that her primary job now. I knew that her heart wasn't really into running barrels she just ran a pretty pattern for me when asked. However she turns her athleticism on when working cows- its crazy to think shes the same horse because her attitude is so different. I think sometimes they are alot like people, they develop likes/dislikes too. |
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Location: Tenn. | CE's wrapn3 - 2016-05-17 11:04 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 10:59 AM GLP - 2016-05-17 8:18 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 9:08 AM scwebster - 2016-05-17 7:05 AM How long did it take your horse to peak in performance from the start. How far in do you say "ok this is a solid 2D horse"etc... Awesome question!!!! For me over the years it has been pretty mixed bunch, but I have noticed one thing, the horses that turn into TOUGH 1D, 2D horses always seem to pick it up rather quickly. From beginning to being tough in a year or less. Usually Less, more like 7-8 months. I have never experienced a horse that I have trained that took me 3 years to finally finish and now they are 1D etc. The truly tough horses seem to have that desire to want to win and learn and listen to you , then they just go do it. Agree with this. And just FYI, in my program I only give them a year. If they don't make it in that time I move on.
Not sure what your riding style and the horses running style is, but some riders can get more out of a horse than others can. Most horses hit their "prime" around age 10 in my opinion, however they are usually at that point already 1d, 2d, 3d, or 4d horses. Being in their prime doesn't necesssarily mean they are going to go from a 4d horse to a 1d horse. However, I have seen some (very few) that it has taken a few years to really realize that they can run. If you are having fun and your horse seems to enjoy running, then keep it up I doubt she will get worse. |
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Location: Jersey Girl | CE's wrapn3 - 2016-05-17 12:04 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 10:59 AM GLP - 2016-05-17 8:18 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 9:08 AM scwebster - 2016-05-17 7:05 AM How long did it take your horse to peak in performance from the start. How far in do you say "ok this is a solid 2D horse"etc... Awesome question!!!! For me over the years it has been pretty mixed bunch, but I have noticed one thing, the horses that turn into TOUGH 1D, 2D horses always seem to pick it up rather quickly. From beginning to being tough in a year or less. Usually Less, more like 7-8 months. I have never experienced a horse that I have trained that took me 3 years to finally finish and now they are 1D etc. The truly tough horses seem to have that desire to want to win and learn and listen to you , then they just go do it. Agree with this. And just FYI, in my program I only give them a year. If they don't make it in that time I move on.
It could just be that she is only a 4D horse. Or maybe she doesn't have alot of confidence yet to really stretch out and run. I am kinda in the same boat....I have breezed my gelding and he can flat out FLY! So far in the arena he is mainly 4D (with different riders). He hasn't really been hauled consistantly as I have had ongoing health issues since November. |
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Location: Kansas | FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 9:08 AM scwebster - 2016-05-17 7:05 AM How long did it take your horse to peak in performance from the start. How far in do you say "ok this is a solid 2D horse"etc... Awesome question!!!! For me over the years it has been pretty mixed bunch, but I have noticed one thing, the horses that turn into TOUGH 1D, 2D horses always seem to pick it up rather quickly. From beginning to being tough in a year or less. Usually Less, more like 7-8 months. I have never experienced a horse that I have trained that took me 3 years to finally finish and now they are 1D etc. The truly tough horses seem to have that desire to want to win and learn and listen to you , then they just go do it.
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I had a mare who hit her prime after running for 2 years and was clocking in the 1D....no it doesn't take 7-8 months for all horses. lord.
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Location: SW MO | I feel like it is environmentally specific, however, I agree with Flit. the two that I patterned myself came on in a year or less. I had a mare who started in the 4D in May 2014, then by December she was solid 1D out of 200. If they've got it, they do. |
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Location: Somewhere around here | I feel like it just depends on every horse. Some horses could be in the 3D/4D times for years if they are hurting and once they get vetted or chiro'd correctly they become 1D horses. Others it just takes longer, especially if they are not typically a confident horse. Yet others could be up there in a year or less, but I think breeding plays a factor with these horses. |
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| Mzbradford - 2016-05-17 9:45 AM
I feel like it is environmentally specific, however, I agree with Flit. the two that I patterned myself came on in a year or less. I had a mare who started in the 4D in May 2014, then by December she was solid 1D out of 200. If they've got it, they do.
I agree on environment. Never even thought about that. I am in California so we have races to haul to year round and pretty much every night of the week! Soooooo yea, I can't imagine being like in North Dakota where you have bad weather a good portion of the year ( Sorry to pick on ND, didn't mean to. lol). |
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Location: North Dakota | FLITASTIC - 2016-05-17 3:35 PM
Mzbradford - 2016-05-17 9:45 AM
I feel like it is environmentally specific, however, I agree with Flit. the two that I patterned myself came on in a year or less. I had a mare who started in the 4D in May 2014, then by December she was solid 1D out of 200. If they've got it, they do.
I agree on environment. Never even thought about that. I am in California so we have races to haul to year round and pretty much every night of the week! Soooooo yea, I can't imagine being like in North Dakota where you have bad weather a good portion of the year ( Sorry to pick on ND, didn't mean to. lol ).
HAHA!! We've just gotten REALLY good at riding with 20 layers on in -30 degree weather!
My futurity horse this year was running 3D/4D in January at her very first races. I only have the opportunity to haul 1-2 weekends per month prior to the busy summer season. So she gets maybe 20-25 runs under her belt before the northern futurities start. However our first Futurity in April she finished 6th in the 1D average and last week clocked in the 1D at 250+ entry runs. So I do agree with Flit, that the ones that really want it and have the heart will be the ones who mature and peak faster. Having those talented horses in the right hands as they mature also makes a world of difference. A rider that pushes a horse too fast can easily wreck it before it can even show you what its made of.
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Location: NE Texas | I try not to put a time limit on my young horses, as they are all different and mature at different rates. I've had some that were working a wicked pattern in the first 45 days and ran at the bottom of the 1D out of 400 head the third time entered....then things fell apart due to illness.
I've got a 4 YO now that is a really big and gangly colt. He's just now figuring out where his feet are and learning how to use his body. He is behind in his training a bit due to having to have a tooth extracted last year and having to miss a big part of the year with the infection. This colt outruns my other horse with ridiculous ease in the pasture (and that horse worked AAA+), and is finally starting to look pretty handy. I know it will take him longer to effectively use his body, but I do believe the tools are there. He may not make a 1D horse, but I don't think he'll have any problem making a 2D horse and he has the mindset to be a rodeo horse, so i'm in no hurry. He's just now ready to begin loping around a barrel.
I've had others that were stopping the clock with ridiculous ease as 3 YO's and others by the same stallion and same foal crop that couldn't lope a circle in a 5 acre field as a long 4 YO, but at the end of his 7 YO year he was running in the 1D against some really nice horses. I had to get creative with my training on him and work him on a cutting flag and put something in his mouth to alleviate the rubber bandiness he had in his body.
My last futurity colt I couldn't get out of the 3D....and i'm not talking about placing in the 3D, but the big hole there. He ran right at a second off at Ft Smith as a 4 YO. I sold him after that and the girl I sold him to improved him a half second just in her riding style and the first run she made. I'm pretty agressive and she's very passive, and he preferred passive. Sometimes a horse can't peak until we get out of their way and put them in a position to succeed that fits them best.
I've learned something with every single one i've ever trained and I take a very, very long time and putting the kind of foundation on them that will last. For some that takes 60 days, for some it takes 6 months. Some i've waited on, some i've sold and let others wait on them. Not all horses have the ability to run in the 1D. In fact, in takes an absolute FREAK to be a true 1D horse at the 400+ horse barrel races anymore and they are specimens to watch. I try to take each horse into consideration as an individual and figure out how to maximize THAT horse's ability through how I train them. I change my program to make the most of the horse.
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Location: Pacific Northwest | My current mare actually didn't start hitting the 1/2d until she was 13 and she had been running since she was 7. I got her when she was 12 and she was rarely out of the 3D with her previous owner. I have to have her in very good shape and be pretty much perfect to place in the 1D but she's done it a few times against decent competition. I'm not sure what I did that was so drastically different from what her previous owner was doing. I bought her from a friend and her runs were pretty, I guess she just wasn't really trying. I treated her for ulcers and took care of some minor soreness issues but that was about it.
I think it depends on your training experience and how often you ride. Some horses might come along slower if they are only being ridden 3 times a week and hauled sporadically. It also might go slower if it's the first horse you're training and seasoning.
I don't barrel race for a living or train for a living so I don't worry about it. I've patterned two horses and learned a lot from them and from running a seasoned horse like my mare (she had no problems on the pattern, I really don't know why she clocks so much faster with me). As long as I'm having fun and not frustrated by the horse I'm riding I iust keep going. |
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| Herbie - 2016-05-17 4:23 PM I try not to put a time limit on my young horses, as they are all different and mature at different rates. I've had some that were working a wicked pattern in the first 45 days and ran at the bottom of the 1D out of 400 head the third time entered....then things fell apart due to illness.
I've got a 4 YO now that is a really big and gangly colt. He's just now figuring out where his feet are and learning how to use his body. He is behind in his training a bit due to having to have a tooth extracted last year and having to miss a big part of the year with the infection. This colt outruns my other horse with ridiculous ease in the pasture (and that horse worked AAA+), and is finally starting to look pretty handy. I know it will take him longer to effectively use his body, but I do believe the tools are there. He may not make a 1D horse, but I don't think he'll have any problem making a 2D horse and he has the mindset to be a rodeo horse, so i'm in no hurry. He's just now ready to begin loping around a barrel.
I've had others that were stopping the clock with ridiculous ease as 3 YO's and others by the same stallion and same foal crop that couldn't lope a circle in a 5 acre field as a long 4 YO, but at the end of his 7 YO year he was running in the 1D against some really nice horses. I had to get creative with my training on him and work him on a cutting flag and put something in his mouth to alleviate the rubber bandiness he had in his body.
My last futurity colt I couldn't get out of the 3D....and i'm not talking about placing in the 3D, but the big hole there. He ran right at a second off at Ft Smith as a 4 YO. I sold him after that and the girl I sold him to improved him a half second just in her riding style and the first run she made. I'm pretty agressive and she's very passive, and he preferred passive. Sometimes a horse can't peak until we get out of their way and put them in a position to succeed that fits them best.
I've learned something with every single one i've ever trained and I take a very, very long time and putting the kind of foundation on them that will last. For some that takes 60 days, for some it takes 6 months. Some i've waited on, some i've sold and let others wait on them. Not all horses have the ability to run in the 1D. In fact, in takes an absolute FREAK to be a true 1D horse at the 400+ horse barrel races anymore and they are specimens to watch. I try to take each horse into consideration as an individual and figure out how to maximize THAT horse's ability through how I train them. I change my program to make the most of the horse.
Oh Herbie, I was waiting on you here. Thanks for your answer :) |
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| some of the best words I've ever heard came from Craig Brooks, its harder to have one that starts clocking right off the bat, because you have to hold them together. versus one that just shows a slight improvement each time they run down the alley. I would agree with this 100%. also, I think sometimes we hold our expectations a little higher when one starts clocking right away, often leaving more disappointment when they can't do it consistently.
I had a grandson of corona cartel, I KNEW he had it, I'm sure a lot of people thought I was crazy for sticking with him. he was 4D, he sprained his DDFT 20%, I gave him 6 months off and then went back to some slow work and legging him up, he turned 7, started clocking in the 1D locally the first run back. He just needed that time to grow up? |
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Location: North Dakota | So if you give up on them after X amount of time-are those horses making "perfect" runs every time? In my case my horse is 8 and this past weekend seemed pretty solid-even though we are a crying hole team-however, I didn't give up on him when he ran in the 4D several times last year as there was always a couple of mistakes that needed fixing by either me or the horse.....I would say if they are perfect every run that's as good as they are going to get WITH YOU....If there is improvements to be made that's your job to fix that to realize the potential of the horse. |
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Location: NE Texas | scwebster - 2016-05-18 9:01 AM Herbie - 2016-05-17 4:23 PM
Oh Herbie, I was waiting on you here. Thanks for your answer :)
You're very welcome. I don't get to haul as much as I used to due to kiddo activities and other priorities, so what used to take a year or two now takes more like 3 or 4 years. LOL  |
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How far in did your horse peak..