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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I'm currently running in a 6 race series. Riders must compete in 4 of the 6 races to be eligible for awards. It is a 4d format. I inquired about how the points system worked for this particular series, and was told that the riders 4 fastest times are averaged out to find their placing.
So if *hypothetically speaking* I won 1st in the 3D, 4 times. But whomever placed 2nd, 3 times, placed last in the 1d one time, does that mean their average time would give them first place in the 3D? Depending on the times of course....or if they took 2nd twice and placed bottom of 1d twice...it just seems crummy to win the whole thing and still not technically win...
Hopefully my jibber-jabber is understandable....
Edited by ~BINGO~ 2016-05-17 12:38 PM
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Must not have made sense? |
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| Possibly yes.
Also possible that if some races have a faster 1d than others for whatever reason - ground or just who shows up - that would affect it as your 3D time could be a 15.0 or a 16.5 depending on if the 1d was a 14.0 or a 15.5....
Not my choice for a point system as I'm not sure how it's points, sounds like a series average award to me - but as long as they advertise that's how theyre figuring than its there perogative. |
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Location: Canada | ~BINGO~ - 2016-05-17 12:36 PM
I'm currently running in a 6 race series. Riders must compete in 4 of the 6 races to be eligible for awards. It is a 4d format. I inquired about how the points system worked for this particular series, and was told that the riders 4 fastest times are averaged out to find their placing.
So if *hypothetically speaking* I won 1st in the 3D, 4 times. But whomever placed 2nd, 3 times, placed last in the 1d one time, does that mean their average time would give them first place in the 3D? Depending on the times of course....or if they took 2nd twice and placed bottom of 1d twice...it just seems crummy to win the whole thing and still not technically win...
Hopefully my jibber-jabber is understandable....
Yes, it would mean that just because someone won a division several times over (1D being the exception) that they may not be the overall winner of that division. |
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| Yea. . Iv never heard of anyone doing it like that. Its usually you get 5 points (or however many they do) for winning each D so if you won the 3D at 4 shows, you would have 20 pts in the 3D. . . |
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Location: WI | I've run in these average types before and yes it does not matter where you actually place. It's a total crap shoot. Someone might win the 1D at 1 race, then 4D in the next and still average out to a 3D time for the average. I won the 3D average once, ran in the 2D and bottom of 3D, didn't win money in either of the go's.
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Well shoot. That's lame. I've won the 3D twice... And am probably not in the running because second place ran in the 2d. Lol. Ugh. |
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Location: Somewhere around here | ~BINGO~ - 2016-05-17 8:02 PM
Well shoot. That's lame. I've won the 3D twice... And am probably not in the running because second place ran in the 2d. Lol. Ugh.
It could still be fun 
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| Keeps you guessing and more interested in what people run at each show.
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Yes it will definitely keep one guessing. It just seems kinda dumb if someone can get some off the wall times and still average out and win a saddle, versus someone who's working hard and being consistent, only to not quite get there due to someone else's inconsistency. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | horsiace1025 - 2016-05-17 1:19 PM Yea. . Iv never heard of anyone doing it like that. Its usually you get 5 points (or however many they do) for winning each D so if you won the 3D at 4 shows, you would have 20 pts in the 3D. . .
This just makes so much more sense, in my opinion. Consistency would be rewarded. Granted, I'm very happy with my runs and my little mare is working great. I just thought I was finally "in the running" for the saddle, so that is a bummer. But we're having fun and have met some good people. So it's worth it. |
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| A show I run at points it differently- you may have points in several divisions.
So using your example: You run 1st in the 3D four times- 40 points. If you run in another division, then you get points in those divisions as well. So if you ran in the 1,2, or 4D, that does not count or effect your 3D points. Your times/points do not average or anything like that. Each division is separate. So in your example, running in the 3D 4 times would be more points than the other than ran in the 2D as well.
You could literally have points in every division. To accumulate points for awards, you want to be consistent in a particular division.
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Location: So. California | You are not running for points, but for the average of 4 fastest runs out of 6...
Lets say rider A wins the first race with a 16.0, places in the second race with a 16.3 and third race runs a 16.65, fourth race they knock, fifth race place with a 16.25, sixth race win with a 16.1 and they win the 1D average... All other divisions are based off their average time of 64.65 (4 fastest runs)
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Serious Snap Trapper
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | Anniemae - 2016-05-18 9:20 AM You are not running for points, but for the average of 4 fastest runs out of 6...
Lets say rider A wins the first race with a 16.0, places in the second race with a 16.3 and third race runs a 16.65, fourth race they knock, fifth race place with a 16.25, sixth race win with a 16.1 and they win the 1D average... All other divisions are based off their average time of 64.65 (4 fastest runs)
Does that make sense?
Yes, thank you. It will all be based around the 1D times. |
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Location: North Dakota | ~BINGO~ - 2016-05-17 12:36 PM I'm currently running in a 6 race series. Riders must compete in 4 of the 6 races to be eligible for awards. It is a 4d format. I inquired about how the points system worked for this particular series, and was told that the riders 4 fastest times are averaged out to find their placing.
So if *hypothetically speaking* I won 1st in the 3D, 4 times. But whomever placed 2nd, 3 times, placed last in the 1d one time, does that mean their average time would give them first place in the 3D? Depending on the times of course....or if they took 2nd twice and placed bottom of 1d twice...it just seems crummy to win the whole thing and still not technically win...
Hopefully my jibber-jabber is understandable....
I've never heard of a series doing points this way, but as someone already posted, it's really not any different than normal average prizes. Barrel races do it all the time where maybe they have a 2-day event with 2 runs and give away average saddles or prizes. You average the two times and it's a "crap shoot" on who the winners are (except the 1D winners).
in this case. They are doing the same average concept but using 4 runs as an average instead of only 2.
so I guess as long as they are up front about how the points are calculated, I guess the chips will fall where they may!! |
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