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Location: Northwest | I had a three year old fall down and when she was examined by a highly reputable lameness vet yesterday he said that she has torn tendons in the hip. Was thinking about putting her on the Cur Ost Pure since he wanted her on Previcox for 20 days to reduce inflammation (paddock rest for 30-60 days.)
Any other supplements or therapies out there that can speed recovery and encourage 100% healing? |
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Location: Oklahoma | When mine get injured I feed equine matrix MRM. It is all organic mushroom blends. It helps heal from the inside out. |
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  Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Hi there. You might post on forum at www.secondvet.com or set up a consultation directly with Dr. Schell. My guess would be the EQ Total Support or the EQ Plus, dependent upon the horse (easy keeper QH types typically do better on Total Support, hard keeper TB types typically do better on EQ Plus) combined with the EQ Immune and Repair. I wouldn't hesitate to use this regimen to encourage healing and provide the body with the necessary nutrients to do so. I have seen dramatic results in people and in my own, and others, horses with this program. I will attach an article from the website regaring a tendon injury. Granted this is in the leg, but same concept from a therapeutic perspective. http://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/327-thoroughbred-tendon-injury-recovery |
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Location: North Dakota | I used Cur-OST Pure to get my 23 year old gelding with severe arthritis feeling good again. It got him moving around again in just a few weeks. Quite different than your situation but it is a strong anti-inflammatory and gets the job done! Good luck with your horse! |
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Location: Northwest | Herbie - 2016-05-18 6:47 AM
Hi there. You might post on forum at www.secondvet.com or set up a consultation directly with Dr. Schell. My guess would be the EQ Total Support or the EQ Plus, dependent upon the horse (easy keeper QH types typically do better on Total Support, hard keeper TB types typically do better on EQ Plus) combined with the EQ Immune and Repair. I wouldn't hesitate to use this regimen to encourage healing and provide the body with the necessary nutrients to do so. I have seen dramatic results in people and in my own, and others, horses with this program. I will attach an article from the website regaring a tendon injury. Granted this is in the leg, but same concept from a therapeutic perspective. http://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/327-thoroughbred-tendon-injury-recovery
This particular horse has an alfalfa allergy so many of the Cur Ost products won't work for her. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | 07milch - 2016-05-18 9:40 AM Herbie - 2016-05-18 6:47 AM Hi there. You might post on forum at www.secondvet.com or set up a consultation directly with Dr. Schell. My guess would be the EQ Total Support or the EQ Plus, dependent upon the horse (easy keeper QH types typically do better on Total Support, hard keeper TB types typically do better on EQ Plus) combined with the EQ Immune and Repair. I wouldn't hesitate to use this regimen to encourage healing and provide the body with the necessary nutrients to do so. I have seen dramatic results in people and in my own, and others, horses with this program. I will attach an article from the website regaring a tendon injury. Granted this is in the leg, but same concept from a therapeutic perspective. http://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/327-thoroughbred-tendon-injury-recovery This particular horse has an alfalfa allergy so many of the Cur Ost products won't work for her.
But you have to look into why she has an alfalfa allergy :) My mare was allergic to the world, especially alflafa and whole oats, and that is all she eats now thanks to Cur-OST. |
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Location: NE Texas | 07milch - 2016-05-18 9:40 AM Herbie - 2016-05-18 6:47 AM Hi there. You might post on forum at www.secondvet.com or set up a consultation directly with Dr. Schell. My guess would be the EQ Total Support or the EQ Plus, dependent upon the horse (easy keeper QH types typically do better on Total Support, hard keeper TB types typically do better on EQ Plus) combined with the EQ Immune and Repair. I wouldn't hesitate to use this regimen to encourage healing and provide the body with the necessary nutrients to do so. I have seen dramatic results in people and in my own, and others, horses with this program. I will attach an article from the website regaring a tendon injury. Granted this is in the leg, but same concept from a therapeutic perspective. http://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/327-thoroughbred-tendon-injury-recovery This particular horse has an alfalfa allergy so many of the Cur Ost products won't work for her.
Smokingirlie has a mare that tested highly allergic to both oats and alfalfa via allergy testing and she was giving her allergy shots to help with this. This mare eats oats and alfalfa daily now with no issues whatsoever. I'm sure she'll see this and post as well. Allergies are a result of an overactive immune response and also a tale tale sign of hind gut issues or imbalances. That being said, the Cur-OST products do not have to be fed with alfalfa or an alfalfa based diet. They can be used with any feed or hay, I have just found that by eliminating as many contributors as possible (processed feed) and getting the gut functioning properly, many of the issues that I used to contribute to allergies, body soreness, joint soreness, etc are now non-existant. I had dealth with horrible allergies and respiratory issues with my horse and spent a huge amount of money treating these issues with several vets with no improvement. In 30 days, I had a new horse who's respiratory/allergy issues were under control. I took him off all medications, supplements, and changed his diet as suggested by Dr. Schell and the results speak for themselves.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think the Cur-Ost might be worth a try. If it were me, though, I would try a much cheaper preparation that you can make at home that costs less than $10 a month for a horse. We've been giving this to 7 horses and we take it ourselves. We make a batch of this every 2-3 weeks. There is a "Turmeric Users Group" on Facebook, if you want to get an idea of the experiences of hundreds of people. The group does not promote a specific brand or product. Check it out before you decide. I'm not one of these people who jumps on the bandwagon of every herb or naturopathic remedy that comes along, but I do think there's some decent evidence supporting turmeric/curcumin.
You can buy pure, ground, certified organic turmeric at most large grocery stores, and it's inexpensive. You also need either coconut oil (or olive oil) and FRESH ground pepper. It's very easy to make and people give it to dogs, horses, and themselves. I'll try posting the recipe, which is a snap and has the recommended amounts. I take a teaspoon full daily.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Shucks....picture is too large. If you are interested I can post the recipe. It takes about 10 minutes to make. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If you go to FB and look up "Turmeric Users Group" you can join. There are over 150,000 members. They have the recipe for the Turmeric golden paste on there. |
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Location: NE Texas | I did try the turmeric paste prior to going the Cur-OST route. In fact, it was researching turmeric and the paste that led me to these products. While some improvement can be reached with the paste, the level of improvement is minimal and in cases like mine where severe inflammation was present, the turmeric paste simply wasn't strong enough. I ended up selling the turmeric i'd bought to a board buddy who also uses the paste. The improvement I saw with the paste was minimal, but it did let me know I was on the right track, just needed a bigger boost, which I was able to get with the Cur-OST products thankfully.
With turmeric only being about 6% absorbable, as compared to the 96% absorption rate of BCM-95 curcurmin used in the Cur-OST products, it would take 16 times the dosage of turmeric to reach the same level as a single dose of the BCM-95 curcurmin. That combined with the other anti-inflammatory herbs in the Cur-OST products packs a power punch in getting even severe inflammation under control and managed. Here's an article about BCM-95 curcurmin explaining the differences. http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2007/10/report_curcumin/page-01
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'd just suggest the turmeric users group on FB if you want to get suggestions and experience of thousands of people, before you decide. It won't cost you a dime, and might save you $100s. There are some people on there who have also had very good things to say about Cur-Ost as well. The good news is that the site doesn't promote a product. If you want testimonials, then take a look at hundreds and interact with them. Nobody dominates the group trying to promote a product.
As a matter of fact, there are some "experts" who supposedly claim that whole pure turmeric is superior to Curcumin alone. You can look up information that will tell you how much Turmeric you need to take to get a bio equivalent amount of the most active cucuminoid - Curcumin. I'm sure Cur Ost is a good product, but hundreds of thousands of people are raving about the homemade stuff. I will start a thread over there and ask people for their comparisons. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | As Herbie stated in an earlier post -- I would encourage you to get ahold of Dr. Schell... the biggest thing to really remember is that each horse is an individual and Dr. Schell reminded me of that. He can likely point you in the right direction. I really think that the best way to get results with any product is to make sure you find what works for YOUR horse!!!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's a link to an American Cancer Society message board where there is a lot of discussion on turmeric/Curcumin, including a lot on maximizing absorption with oil and peperine ( from fresh ground pepper).
http://csn.cancer.org/node/219876 |
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Location: Florida.. | Bear - 2016-05-18 11:38 AM I think the Cur-Ost might be worth a try. If it were me, though, I would try a much cheaper preparation that you can make at home that costs less than $10 a month for a horse. We've been giving this to 7 horses and we take it ourselves. We make a batch of this every 2-3 weeks. There is a "Turmeric Users Group" on Facebook, if you want to get an idea of the experiences of hundreds of people. The group does not promote a specific brand or product. Check it out before you decide. I'm not one of these people who jumps on the bandwagon of every herb or naturopathic remedy that comes along, but I do think there's some decent evidence supporting turmeric/curcumin. You can buy pure, ground, certified organic turmeric at most large grocery stores, and it's inexpensive. You also need either coconut oil (or olive oil) and FRESH ground pepper. It's very easy to make and people give it to dogs, horses, and themselves. I'll try posting the recipe, which is a snap and has the recommended amounts. I take a teaspoon full daily.
thats what we use as well. |
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| Bear - 2016-05-18 9:17 AM
I'd just suggest the turmeric users group on FB if you want to get suggestions and experience of thousands of people, before you decide. It won't cost you a dime, and might save you $100s. There are some people on there who have also had very good things to say about Cur-Ost as well. The good news is that the site doesn't promote a product. If you want testimonials, then take a look at hundreds and interact with them. Nobody dominates the group trying to promote a product.
As a matter of fact, there are some "experts" who supposedly claim that whole pure turmeric is superior to Curcumin alone. You can look up information that will tell you how much Turmeric you need to take to get a bio equivalent amount of the most active cucuminoid - Curcumin. I'm sure Cur Ost is a good product, but hundreds of thousands of people are raving about the homemade stuff. I will start a thread over there and ask people for their comparisons.
I agree with this. Sometimes you can find more affordable alternatives that work just as well as the name brand products are talking about here. I'm very happy to see someone else suggest alternatives and more affordable ones. I did this a couple months ago and received some pretty strong back lash from a couple people who support the popular more expensive curcumin products on here. So i backed off and did my own thing and have had a lot of success with it. |
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It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | There are always different ways to approach anything in the world, do what works for you and who cares what anyone else says :)
Due to the subject of this post, those of us that use Cur-OST are obviously going to be the first ones to post, I would assume anyways?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | FLITASTIC - 2016-05-18 1:26 PM
Bear - 2016-05-18 9:17 AM
I'd just suggest the turmeric users group on FB if you want to get suggestions and experience of thousands of people, before you decide. It won't cost you a dime, and might save you $100s. There are some people on there who have also had very good things to say about Cur-Ost as well. The good news is that the site doesn't promote a product. If you want testimonials, then take a look at hundreds and interact with them. Nobody dominates the group trying to promote a product.
As a matter of fact, there are some "experts" who supposedly claim that whole pure turmeric is superior to Curcumin alone. You can look up information that will tell you how much Turmeric you need to take to get a bio equivalent amount of the most active cucuminoid - Curcumin. I'm sure Cur Ost is a good product, but hundreds of thousands of people are raving about the homemade stuff. I will start a thread over there and ask people for their comparisons.
I agree with this. Sometimes you can find more affordable alternatives that work just as well as the name brand products are talking about here. I'm very happy to see someone else suggest alternatives and more affordable ones. I did this a couple months ago and received some pretty strong back lash from a couple people who support the popular more expensive curcumin products on here. So i backed off and did my own thing and have had a lot of success with it.
I have more than a casual interest in this because I have leukemia. I take the same turmeric paste/coconut oil/fresh ground pepper as we give to our horses. I base that on quite a bit of published data from good, independent sources. I don't have any experience with it in lame or injured horses, because we don't have any right now. We give it as a maintenance supplement. We used to have several horses with coughing issues, but that seems to be gone now...can't say why, with certainty. |
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| I have been using the Cur-Ost Pure since the beginning of February, my horse had an infection in the navicular bursa. He came home from the vet clinic still lame at the 30 day mark of treatment.
He almost shed his hoof, and I am still battling terrible bruising inside the hoof from treatment to remove the infection. That being said, without the anti inflammatory action of the Cur-Ost I feel that I would have lost this battle.
He is about 95% sound at this point- due to bruising but has been released to swim and can be turned out to pasture.
He doesn't have any arthritis inside the joint and that is a miracle itself. He is anticipated to return to work at the same level as before - we are waiting for the bruising to grow out.
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I just read the headlines
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| I would contact Dr Schell. Cur Ost has a product called Nourish that I don't think has alfalfa in it. It is for soft tissue repair. You might want to ask Dr. Schell if it could help your situation. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Herbie, what you just sAId about the Total Support VS the EQ plus just made a ton of sense. My little mare that is kind of a hard keeper is doing well on he Total Support but occasionally she falls off weight wise..Think I'll try the other on her and see if that issue improves. It was the one thing I forgot to mention to Dr. Schell when I asked for recommendations for them was easy keepers and hard keepers. Dang! |
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