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Chi Chi Mama
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | I can't figure out what is going on with my colt. I'll try and make this as short as possible.
About 6 weeks ago, my colt came up muscle sore. I most noticed down his back to the top of his butt. He had a harder workout the day before and I thought saddle fit. Took him to get massaged. No improvement. Took him to chiro. No improvement. Gave him some time. It's not better. Took him Monday for a lameness exam. He's not lame. Vet did notice back was sore so thought maybe worse case kissing spine. But thought that was highly unlikely since he's only 4 and only has 90 days on him. And not 90 hard days either. Gave him a shot of something (can't remember the name off hand) for muscle soreness and said to put him back to work and reevaluate in two weeks. I lunged him Tuesday and he won't hold leads in his hind at all. I haven't worked him since cause I feel terrible. He's still REALLY sore upon light palpation.
After that, I tried thinking outside the box. All I've changed this year is giving him oats and supplement. I Googled oats and soreness. Ulcers came up. He fits no normal signs of ulcers. He's fat, runs around, bucks and has a calm disposition. BUT, upon ulcer palpation, he is sore everywhere. Neck muscles, ribs. All over. But it's strange how you can tell he feels great otherwise. I took him off his grain monday to see if it helps. He's been getting the same alfalfa since last year cutting.
I think before I get x-rays of his back, I am going to try laser therapy next.
I left out a lot, but does anyone have experience similar to this with a horse that is sore all over? What was it? Ulcers? Kissing spine? Something else?
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Sock Snob
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| pssm//epm there are degrees of epm diane guinn on has a lot of experiance |
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Go Get Em!
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Location: OH. IO | daisycake123 - 2016-05-21 7:08 AM
pssm//epm there are degrees of epm diane guinn on has a lot of experiance
My thoughts as well.easy test for epm .urine look darker than normsl? |
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Location: Arizona | My first thought was possibly pssm. You might try magnesium supplementation as well? I've had luck with mag helping tight, musclebound horses. 5,000 mg/day. If it's going to help it works pretty quickly, you should see an improvement within a couple weeks. If you don't see an improvement then you can always move on and try something else. Work up to the 5,000 mg dosage over the first week, I usually increase dosage every third day. If you get loose manure, then take the dosage back down to an amount that didn't cause manure changes. Some might do fine on 3,000 mg/day, but I'd recommend at least trying 5,000 - even if it's just temporarily. |
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Brains Behind the Operation...
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Location: Arizona | You could also try MSM supplementation (10,000 mg/day). Also helps with muscle soreness and inflammation. It's amazing how many nutrients in the body are derived from sulfur, especially amino acids. Some horses really benefit from having a supplement to make sulfur more readily available for their bodies to use. So from a dietary standpoint, MSM and magnesium are both things I would consider to help relieve muscle soreness. |
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 Ms. Poutability
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Location: In my own world | First. Age has nothing to do with KS. Neither does amount if riding. It can be caused by lots of things. I have one that was diagnosed as 5 yr old. I would have back xrayed and also SI evaluated. Yours is sore exactly where mine was |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Suppliment with Magnesium first. Your horse is showing classic signs of magnesium deficiency.I'd take a look at selenium as well. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Try alfalfa and grass hay...50/50. I would eliminate the oats unless you needed a little to help to clean-up supplements. Horses just don't need grain unless it helps to hold weight. |
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Chi Chi Mama
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | Thank you for the replies! His urine is normal. He is on a organic selenium/yeast that the chiro gave me. I thought about taking him in for a selenium shot. I will try the magnesium! Is there a certain brand?
The next plan of attack from the vet was the x-rays or just injecting the back to see if it makes a difference. Then after that, bone scan. Which is really spendy, so I'm trying to think of lower cost ideas firate to see if it helps.
I'll look into EPM and PSSM also.
Thank you for the other avenues for me to check! |
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Brains Behind the Operation...
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Location: Arizona | There are quite a few magnesium supplements out there, and a lot of discussion about which form is the most bioavailable to the horse. Personally, I just feed Epsom salts (which is magnesium sulfate). In some areas you can find bags of magnesium oxide for cattle at the feed store, and some horse supplements are made with magnesium citrate. I do see good results with Epsom salts and they are easy to find, so that's what I stick with. Just make sure you get the plain kind, nothing with fragrances or coloring added. I start with 1 Tbsp mixed into the feed AM & PM. Then 3 days later I will bump up to 2 Tbsp AM & PM. If the horse is deficient you can feed up to 1/3 to 1/2 cup daily (which works out to about 6-8 Tbsp), provided you aren't seeing any diarrhea with these amounts. After a couple months you can usually back off to a lower maintenance dose. |
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Sock Snob
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| how much epson salts per horse
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| Have you tested him for lyme disease? Just went through my horse being sore for the last 2 months. Wasn't lame, but just was off, not tracking up, neck was sore, back was sore to even the lightest touch, haunches really sore. Tried muscle relaxers, chiropractic, etc. Finally just opted to start treating him for lyme disease again as he had it last year with similar symptoms. He is currently a week into treatment and seems perfectly fine now.
Edited by Buckles 2016-05-22 6:46 AM
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 It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I fed this, it worked very well! Good luck Scotch!!!!
http://www.nupafeedusa.com/magnesium.htm |
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 Miss Laundry Misshap
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| Selenium poisoning can also have traumatic muscular effects similar to tying up. |
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Chi Chi Mama
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | Buckles - 2016-05-22 4:41 AM
Have you tested him for lyme disease? Just went through my horse being sore for the last 2 months. Wasn't lame, but just was off, not tracking up, neck was sore, back was sore to even the lightest touch, haunches really sore. Tried muscle relaxers, chiropractic, etc. Finally just opted to start treating him for lyme disease again as he had it last year with similar symptoms. He is currently a week into treatment and seems perfectly fine now.
I am naive on this. Is this detected by blood panel? |
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Chi Chi Mama
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | Nateracer - 2016-05-23 7:58 AM
Selenium poisoning can also have traumatic muscular effects similar to tying up.
Good to know. I think I need a full blood panel done on him. See if that tells me anything! |
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Chi Chi Mama
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | Nateracer - 2016-05-23 7:58 AM
Selenium poisoning can also have traumatic muscular effects similar to tying up.
Good to know. I think I need a full blood panel done on him. See if that tells me anything! |
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| Scotch - 2016-05-23 12:40 PM
Buckles - 2016-05-22 4:41 AM
Have you tested him for lyme disease? Just went through my horse being sore for the last 2 months. Wasn't lame, but just was off, not tracking up, neck was sore, back was sore to even the lightest touch, haunches really sore. Tried muscle relaxers, chiropractic, etc. Finally just opted to start treating him for lyme disease again as he had it last year with similar symptoms. He is currently a week into treatment and seems perfectly fine now.
I am naive on this. Is this detected by blood panel?
Yes its a blood test. Most vets can do a positive or negative test pretty cheap in the office, but will probably have to send it out if you want an actual titer count. The titer can tell how high of an infection and if its a chronic thing. |
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It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | This is a good article:
https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/400-lyme-anaplasmosis-epm-in-the-horse-relapses-thoughts-and-theories |
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Muscle sore colt... Any ideas?