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| I have a horse with IAD. I give him Cur-Ost Total everyday and it has been a god send for him....I have been legging him up and will enter next weekend for the first time this year..... I want to,give him something when I run him to ease his breathing more when I run him.....I will use a Flair strip and my vet says some Vent....I am wondering whether to go with the Vent or try the Oxy O2? Any opinions or experiences? Thanks! |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | I love O2!!! Its natural and won't make them crazy like ventipulmin does to some horses. I'm an oxygen rep, so PM me if you have any other questions. |
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Location: USA | sandygirl1 - 2016-05-21 8:48 AM I have a horse with IAD. I give him Cur-Ost Total everyday and it has been a god send for him....I have been legging him up and will enter next weekend for the first time this year..... I want to,give him something when I run him to ease his breathing more when I run him.....I will use a Flair strip and my vet says some Vent....I am wondering whether to go with the Vent or try the Oxy O2? Any opinions or experiences? Thanks!
what is the supplement you are feeding your horse for IAD? Where can I find it. What were your horses symptoms and what difference do you see using the supplement. you can pm me if you want.... |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Between the two Oxy 02 but I am also a Cur OST user and use Total and Immune together and if I feel like my mare need extra help if it's nasty out etc I'll get Wind Aid or Air Power . Or I'll even double her Immune and it does the trick.
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Location: North Dakota | I use Cur-OST for my COPD mare too, total and Immune. She is maintained great at home or arenas with good air flow but I have also been looking into to something to help her in those dusty/heavy air arenas. I decided to try Oxy Rush for runs because I couldn't justify the price of O2. I think if you are going to supplement something in for each run I would try to stay away from drugs like ventipulmin unless you have to so I would go the Oxy route. |
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| I did do the Total/Immune protocol to start last fall and just give total now but maybe need to use Immune again when competing? I have some O2 and also some vent. I am thinking I will try the O2 and see how it goes! Thanks all who replied! |
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Location: Crowder, OK | most the time if ventipullin is given correctly it doesn't give the big hop people talk about. Granted, if u can get away using something all natural that's the best way imo, but that's not always the best option for some horses. Ventipullin works best when it's given sev days n a roll & sev days prior to an event. It's so good to clear our drainage & get a horse over a cold or other respiratory sicknesses. It's sad this drug has gotten a bad rep cause people choose to abuse it but given correctly, it can really help a horse with severe respiratory issues. I give my horse air power twice a day & use either it or Airwaves b4 a run. I do however use ventipullin if my horse has scoped & has some drainage or we need to clear out the lungs. This is all my own personal opinion though. Flair strip r great. Dmg, msm, are also all great products to fight respiratory issues naturally. |
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Location: Ky | Ventipulmin is the better product. So what if the other stuff is "natural"? That's nothing but a marketing gimmick. That's kinda like the people that talk about "natural" dewormers. It's still poison and kills the worms. Or, if it doesn't, why use it at all?
Hemlock sap is all natural too. Bet you don't want to take a big drink of that all natural sap. Poison ivy is all natural as well. Bottom line, use what's best for the horse's condition. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Tinkerbell, JD&EZ, thank you for your statements. The horses that are in our care do deserve sound attention to their issues especially if we're asking them for their life during a run.
It really is important to get a hold of that inflammation several days prior to a run. I put my horse in harms way when I ran him last and really didn't know where he stood with inflammation. Bad horse mom I was!
Please don't make the mistake I did OP.
I have not seen the results that I was hoping for with the Oxygen products and I've used Vent on many horses and it's never let me down nor the horse down.
If you can neb the horse with Acetylcysteine during the week up to your run you'll have done a lot to release that mucus and relieve your horse from the spasms caused by the mucus plugs with the joint effort of Vent the day before and the day of the run. |
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| Thanks guys...after talking with the vet, the advice I was given is probably what I will go with..... What are the consequences if the O2 doesn't work? I suppose I REALLY need to ask myself that....I KNOW for sure the vent does work...... Not sure I am ready to take the risk..
Thanks again for all opinions...all input is appreciated...gave me a lot to think about and different ways of looking at things.. |
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| jd&ez - 2016-05-22 10:13 AM Ventipulmin is the better product. So what if the other stuff is "natural"? That's nothing but a marketing gimmick. That's kinda like the people that talk about "natural" dewormers. It's still poison and kills the worms. Or, if it doesn't, why use it at all?
Hemlock sap is all natural too. Bet you don't want to take a big drink of that all natural sap. Poison ivy is all natural as well. Bottom line, use what's best for the horse's condition.
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Location: Texas | For my bleeder my vet recommended 5cc Ventipulmin twice per day starting two days before race and day of race. I hear a lot of people just give the Ventipulmin a couple of hours before a race. I asked my vet if this was effective. He said "probably not, according to the pharmacokinetics of how the drug works." It gets expensive giving Ventipulmin that way, but it is also expensive having to go to the vet and the down time if they bleed! He said I could try it two hours out and see if it works, which I did and my horse didn't bleed. But not sure if the Ventipulmin really did anything or if it was just the Lasix. I think the Ventipulmin takes 2-3 days for full effect. I believe this is the way race horse trainers use it since it is banned on the tracks. They give it days before a race, then take them off before race day.
(Yes, my horse is in condition, is on Curost Total & Immune, no longer coughs, et. al. Just trying to take every precaution to keep him from bleeding again.)
I would be interested in hearing others experiences and uses of both the Ventipulmin and the OxyO2. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Vent made my mare sweat like crazy, and hotter than hot. Oxy 02 seemed ok? But like I said in an earlier post hard to tell. |
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Location: Weatherford, Texas | I gave/have given 10 cc ventipulmin orally 3-4 hours out and noticed a difference. For my really bad bleeder I gave it when it was hot/humid. Not so much in the winter.
The biggest thing was keeping her very conditioned.
Also- I fed Animed Vitamin C and K with Hesperidin. Not sure if it helped but it was recommended by my vet. I am not big on supplements, but she gave me studies on vit c and k for bleeders.
***I noticed with ventipulmin that if you gave it less than 3 hours out you got the excited part. After 3 hours they leveled off and were normal.
I did have an outside horse that we had to keep on Vent (10 cc 2x daily). He had bad COPD but the vets said it was the only thing that would be guaranteed to work. As long as he was on it, he was good to go. |
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Location: Crowder, OK | IMO, the most important part of a bleeder!!!! Find out WHY the horse bled? get some samples, see if its infection, fungus or environmental. I truely believe there are alot more allergy bleeders out there than what people think. fix the root of the prob or treat it and more than likely will have a healthier horse for a longer career. Just coming from someone that has waged a huge bleeder/allergy prob and spent a very long time to learn why and get the right things that help. every horse is diff just like people, what works on one, might not work on another. its a process but once you figure it out and get a routine, its not bad what so ever! |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | jd&ez - 2016-05-22 10:13 AM
Ventipulmin is the better product. So what if the other stuff is "natural"? That's nothing but a marketing gimmick. That's kinda like the people that talk about "natural" dewormers. It's still poison and kills the worms. Or, if it doesn't, why use it at all?
Hemlock sap is all natural too. Bet you don't want to take a big drink of that all natural sap. Poison ivy is all natural as well. Bottom line, use what's best for the horse's condition.
DISAGREE!!! I have a mare who is EXTREMELY sensitive to steroids and they will kill her... in fact when we were initially treating her IAD, they almost did. O2 has been a god sent for her. It is not a gimmick and until you have a horse that absolutely cannot have chemical medications, you don't realize how scary they can be! |
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Location: HOME OF THE DILLON BEAVERS!!!!!!! | I HAVE A GELDING WHO COUGHS ALOT AND HAS ALOT OF TROUBLE BREATHING, I WATER HIS HAY DOWN AND WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE OXY PRODUCTS, LIKE, HOW OFTEN DO THEY GET IT , HOW MUCH DO THEY GET , IS IT EVERY DAY OR TWICE A DAY OR ONLY WHEN YOU RIDE ANY INFO IS APPRECIATED AND I THANK YOU. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | jd&ez - 2016-05-22 1:13 PM Ventipulmin is the better product. So what if the other stuff is "natural"? That's nothing but a marketing gimmick. That's kinda like the people that talk about "natural" dewormers. It's still poison and kills the worms. Or, if it doesn't, why use it at all?
Hemlock sap is all natural too. Bet you don't want to take a big drink of that all natural sap. Poison ivy is all natural as well. Bottom line, use what's best for the horse's condition.
yep
Venti is medicine
The other, is hocus pocus bs
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | jschipper - 2016-05-24 12:23 PM jd&ez - 2016-05-22 10:13 AM Ventipulmin is the better product. So what if the other stuff is "natural"? That's nothing but a marketing gimmick. That's kinda like the people that talk about "natural" dewormers. It's still poison and kills the worms. Or, if it doesn't, why use it at all?
Hemlock sap is all natural too. Bet you don't want to take a big drink of that all natural sap. Poison ivy is all natural as well. Bottom line, use what's best for the horse's condition. DISAGREE!!! I have a mare who is EXTREMELY sensitive to steroids and they will kill her... in fact when we were initially treating her IAD, they almost did. O2 has been a god sent for her. It is not a gimmick and until you have a horse that absolutely cannot have chemical medications, you don't realize how scary they can be!
I knew a guy one time that smoked 2.5 packs a day for 50+ years
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| also, you need to give the 3/4 hours out and after you use this suff the hyper reaction will go away. its just like the stupid inhailer the asthmatics use. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | 1DSoon - 2016-06-02 2:08 PM
jschipper - 2016-05-24 12:23 PM jd&ez - 2016-05-22 10:13 AM Ventipulmin is the better product. So what if the other stuff is "natural"? That's nothing but a marketing gimmick. That's kinda like the people that talk about "natural" dewormers. It's still poison and kills the worms. Or, if it doesn't, why use it at all?
Hemlock sap is all natural too. Bet you don't want to take a big drink of that all natural sap. Poison ivy is all natural as well. Bottom line, use what's best for the horse's condition. DISAGREE!!! I have a mare who is EXTREMELY sensitive to steroids and they will kill her... in fact when we were initially treating her IAD, they almost did. O2 has been a god sent for her. It is not a gimmick and until you have a horse that absolutely cannot have chemical medications, you don't realize how scary they can be!
I didn't say that there weren't horses that can handle it... but to say that chemicals are ok for EVERY horse and the other stuff is bs is wrong. O2 has made a huge difference in my mare and ventipulmin almost killed her. That's my experience. Period. |
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Location: Lala Land | My gelding is COPD not IAD, but he does very well with the Cur-Ost Total by itself. I have used Venti and O2 and like both actually. If I use venti I will give him 3cc the night before, morning of, and 1.5 that evening. That has worked for me in very humid conditions, but I will say I have used the O2 in same conditions and he did great with no trouble. It's just more expensive. |
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Location: Ky | jschipper - 2016-05-24 11:23 AM jd&ez - 2016-05-22 10:13 AM Ventipulmin is the better product. So what if the other stuff is "natural"? That's nothing but a marketing gimmick. That's kinda like the people that talk about "natural" dewormers. It's still poison and kills the worms. Or, if it doesn't, why use it at all?
Hemlock sap is all natural too. Bet you don't want to take a big drink of that all natural sap. Poison ivy is all natural as well. Bottom line, use what's best for the horse's condition. DISAGREE!!! I have a mare who is EXTREMELY sensitive to steroids and they will kill her... in fact when we were initially treating her IAD, they almost did. O2 has been a god sent for her. It is not a gimmick and until you have a horse that absolutely cannot have chemical medications, you don't realize how scary they can be!
You "disagree"?? WTF?? I said "bottom line, use what's best for the horse's condition". You "disagree". Again, WTF??
So you shouldn't use what's best for the horse? "Disagree" all **** day long then. |
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Location: Delaware | Have you considered trying Equipulmin? I've tried several treatments for allergies and that is the best thing so far. My guy has been on it a week and I noticed improvement within two days. One cough the day after he started it and none since. It's supposed to be good for any type of respiratory issues. |
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| anyone else trying the equipulmin |
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Location: Bandera, TX | cannchaser21 - 2016-09-01 4:26 PM Following
Lots of gals that rodeo hard and are criss-crossing the country have their horses on Equipulmin or Bev's for allergies. They are being assaulted by different allergens every few hours. |
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| I've dealt with allergies for the last 3 yrs & this yr was th first time I count ride/run him during the summer months. First time I've done on my own no vet, I used essential oils, bought a equiresp (use sometimes with oils) & OE WIND. My guy has SWOLLEN nasal passages only with his allergies. All allergies are different. I also do a daily dose of Spirulina for his Imune system. Oh & what will ALWAY be in my trailer now "VICKS VAPOR RUB" to put in his nostrils. Vicks is the only way I can exercise at home.
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| I might ad first yr allergies turned into inner ear infection.
2nd yr lower respiratory infection.
This year I'm able to run him using all natural stuff 
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Location: North Dakota | I have a brand new tube of Oxy 02 that I just bought and don't need it right now. $100. Message me if anyone needs a tube for $20 off retail. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | As far as the Equipulmin goes, at $150/ gallon, how much is administered and how long does a gallon last for one horse? |
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| I've used ventpulmin a few times. Made my horses kinda high and really gets their heart racing. I would avoid it if possible. |
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No to Ventipulmin, can cause heart attacks! Instead, try Oxy-Gen Rush or Finish Line's Air Power.
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Location: Texas | ~BINGO~ - 2016-09-09 3:41 PM As far as the Equipulmin goes, at $150/ gallon, how much is administered and how long does a gallon last for one horse? A dose is 60cc. One gallon = 3785cc = 63 / 60cc doses. At $150 gallon = $2.38/dose (not including shipping cost).
Dosages:
To maintain a healthy respiratory system:
60cc- Daily
Mucus & Breathing Disorder:
60cc- 3 times a day until horse improves.
Bad Bleeders:
120cc 3 times a day for first 2 days, then 60cc 3 times per day until race day.
Pre-Race:
120cc, 30 - 60 minutes before race.
60cc, 30 – 60 minutes before exercise, jog or workout.
Ingredients:
Rosemary, Honey, Witch Hazel, Fenugreek Seed, Black Seed, Damiana Leaves, Marshmallow, Sage, Juniper Berries, Chamomile Flowers, Cloves, Spearmint, Cinnamon, Thyme, Potassium Sorbate.
*Due to the unique, holistic properties of EquiPulmin and variations in horse’s needs, dosages may vary and there is absolutely no risk involved in using more than the recommended amount or obtaining any negative side effects.
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Location: Sapulpa, OK | If you have ever had a horse with COPD as a result of un controlled bleeding you wouldn't even question which to use. Horrible disease!!! |
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Ventipulmin OR Oxy O2